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  • #123865

    acampos
    Member

    The police admit to killing 134 people so far this year and are on target to kill 40 people in July, 2009. This in a country with no death penalty. (Cheaper to shoot them in the street than lock em up.) So we can expect the death toll to reach 260 or higher in a city of three million killed by the cops. We are not even talking about the murders which at twenty per hundred thousand would reach well over 600 yet in Salvador you get about five per day so that reaches 1500 or more per year.

    What the hell is going on? Can you name a single city in Europe or the States where the cops have killed 134 people so far this year?

    10/07/2009 às 22:59

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 11/07/2009 às 00:09COMENTÁRIOS (106)

    Polícia matou 134 na Grande Salvador em 2009

    Helga Cirino l A TARDE

    Fernando Vivas/Agência A TARDE

    Polícia%20matou%20três%20suspeitos%20durante%20ação%20policial%20no%20Vale%20das%20Pedrinhas

    Polícia matou três suspeitos durante ação policial no Vale das Pedrinhas

    Levantamento de A TARDE revela que 134 pessoas foram mortas pelaspolícias civil e militar durante ações policiais, de janeiro até asexta-feira, 10, em Salvador e região metropolitana. O Centro deDocumentação e Estatística Policial (Cedep) da Secretaria de SegurançaPública (SSP) não divulgou os dados oficiais, apesar de a solicitaçãoter sido feita desde a última terça-feira.

    Os números de A TARDE ainda indicam que nos primeiros dez dias destemês, pelo menos 14 suspeitos já foram mortos. Neste ritmo, ao final dejulho, teríamos 42 óbitos, mais de um por dia, média maior que a mensaldos seis primeiros meses deste ano, de 20 a cada 30 dias.

    Sessenta e nove dos 134 mortos em ações policiais foram duranteoperações comandadas pelas polícias especializadas da PM e PC, asRondas Especiais da PM (Rondesp), Tático Móvel da PM (Rotamo), Batalhãode Choque da PM, Departamento de Crimes Contra o Patrimônio (DCCP),Delegacia de Homicídios (DH) e Comando de Operações Especiais (COE).

    Policiais ‚Äì Em contrapartida, de janeiro a junhodeste ano, quatro policiais militares, um agente da Polícia Civil e umpolicial federal foram mortos por bandidos, os dois últimos a serviçoda Secretaria de Segurança Pública (SSP) e Polícia Federal.

    O capitão Marcelo Pita, coordenador do Setor de Comunicação daPolícia Militar, explicou que a declaração de auto de resistências nãoexime o policial militar de punição se a ação for caracterizada comoexcessiva. Ou seja, se for diagnosticado algum tipo de anormalidade naoperação dos servidores, eles são punidos pelas ações, garantiu.
    De acordo com ele, quando diagnosticado que as ações não seguiramos padrões normais de mortes em resistência à prisão, os policiais sãoalvos de investigações pelo Ministério Público do Estado (MP),Corregedoria da PM e Polícia Civil.
    Contraponto ‚Äì Para a integrante do grupo gestor doFórum Comunitário de Combate à Violência (FCCV), a pesquisadora TâniaCordeiro, muitos jovens inocentes morrem nos alegados confrontos.
    Meninos que não têm histórico de ações violentas são acusados deatirarem contra a polícia. São jovens que acompanhamos e sabemos quenão são capazes disso, afirmou.
    Ela atribui as ações seguidas de morte ao despreparo dos PMs e a umfator específico que ela denomina de elemento de componente ideológico.Esse tipo de atitude acontece contra jovens de comunidades de baixarenda, de origem afrodescendente, concluiu.

    bobbyitaparica2009-07-16 01:17:32

  • #123873

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Please do not feed the troll anymore,folks, or we’ll be inundated with this crap forever.Let the thread die,or let him wallow in it by himself. Warning to all future readers: Few heeded the caveat above, so if you follow this thread you are going to be primarily following a course of one person’s sad obsession with negativity and violence. Salvador is in actuality a place where many of us on the forum, and many other locals and gringos alike, have found happy, rich, tranquil lives. If you have not been to Salvador, please do not hesitate to visit in safety, and take the great opportunity to dive into it’s unique culture, amazing music and lovely beaches–and to meet the marvelous, warm, welcoming locals. Salvador, Bahia = alegria ! Bahiana772009-11-28 11:55:59

  • #123875

    edit_21
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Please do not feed the troll anymore,folks, or we’ll be inundated with this crap forever.Let the thread die,or let him wallow in it by himself.[/QUOTE] Bahiana77 You get my vote. I’m out of hereDead

  • #123883

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Please do not feed the troll anymore,folks, or we’ll be inundated with this crap forever.Let the thread die,or let him wallow in it by himself.[/QUOTE]
    Another name calling low blow rather than any discussion as to what is going on and how can things improve.
    What is going on? The have killed over a hundred people this year in Salvador alone and are on trak to kill about 40 people this month alone.
    Baihana sticks her head in the sand and starts name calling as usual.

  • #123885

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    Bobbit, you print all the bad stuff going on, I know others that balance it out with all the good stuff. It seems to end in the same way.
    Cliff moment;
    Did you know there isn’t any record of an ostrich sticking its head in the sand

  • #123919

    SUELY
    Member

    Hi For all these bright informed folks on gringoes, can anyone give me the true population of São Paulo? After all if we’re going to use “murder rate # per capita” we should know what that number is to start with, right? I will admit, there’s enough violence throughout the world to go around, but i don’t believe it’s all concentrated here in Brazil, as some would like us to believe. Regards Lou

  • #123922

    acampos
    Member

    I frequently post about the good things.
    Friends, music, beautiful landscapes, beaches, agua de coco, mangoes, bananas, papayas, passion fruit, dropping with a breeze thumping into the ground.
    As one ages one finds that the human experience is pretty much the same everywhere. We all age, live, laugh, love.
    In fact I love Brazil. I just don’t like the wave of violence that is sweeping across many parts of Brazil.
    Unfortunately Salvador is now like the Wild West of the USA of a hundred years ago.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-16 11:52:22

  • #123929

    SUELY
    Member

    Yes, violence anywhere is terrible, but it’s even more heartbreaking in your backyard.

  • #123931

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    [QUOTE=louiehines]Yes, violence anywhere is terrible, but it’s even more heartbreaking in your backyard. [/QUOTE]
    Wow, what do you do in your backyard???Confused

  • #123945

    SUELY
    Member

    Exactly what is it you want to know. Tamashin?

  • #123948

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    Your are right, I am really not bothered.

  • #123963

    enchantbeau
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Please do not feed the troll anymore,folks, or we’ll be inundated with this crap forever.Let the thread die,or let him wallow in it by himself.[/QUOTE] As elsewhere on this forum, does anyone actually read these extravagently long posts? I doubt many/any do, so he already is rather wallowing in it by himself.

  • #123966

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] …..starts name calling …
    [/QUOTE] It isn’t name calling when it’s true. You are a troll. Troll: someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community By definition, you are a troll. Stop or go away.AngryAnd 42 pages of trash later, other posters have come to this conclusion: [QUOTE=delco] GBoF should now consider moving the debate onto finding solutions for these problems rather than pointlessly banging the same old drum.[/QUOTE] Sad case really. Bahiana772010-01-05 14:35:39

  • #124000

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] …..starts name calling …
    [/QUOTE]

    It isn’t name calling when it’s true. You are a troll.
    Troll: someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community
    By definition, you are a troll. Stop or go away.Angry

    [/QUOTE]
    You are funny Bahiana!!LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
    The topic here is “Violence in Salvador.” You are irrelevant, off topic and certainly acting as if you own the board. By your own definition you, are the troll!ConfusedLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
    If you have any ideas to help solve the violence problem in Salvador, please post here. Also post news about violence in Salvador here. If you don’t want to see it, don’t read it.
    The police are on track to kill 300 people in Salvador this year. Do you consider this just the same old news as always? Nothing inflammatory or controversial. The numbers are not disputed. Please eat a mango, drink some agua de coco and balanca na rede.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-16 15:26:16

  • #124011

    edit_21
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] The police are on track to kill 300 people in Salvador this year.
    [/QUOTE] Do you think we could pay the police to make it 301 ??DeadLOLLOLLOL

  • #124016

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=KiteFlyer][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] The police are on track to kill 300 people in Salvador this year.
    [/QUOTE]

    Do you think we could pay the police to make it 301 ??DeadLOLLOLLOL

    [/QUOTE]Oh please name names kiteflyer, if you get the right name I’ll go half’s with you on the cost LOLLOL
    Brazil has a worldwide reputation as being an extremely violent and dangerouscountry and one of the most violent places in the world outside of awar zone, what do people expect when they come here, tea in the park Confused
    I really don’t understand why people get so excited by violent crimeand or the police killing people, in the UK where the police generallydon’t carry guns and are meant to be professionals, they have killedloads of people over the years, most of them innocent people.
    The world is a violent place and people need to learn to live with itor you are likely to become a victim yourself very quickly.
    What I have noticed is that if you ask someone who is moaning aboutcrime “Have you been the victim of violent crime in Brazil” you tend toget the answer “No” far more that you get the answer “Yes”.
    A very interesting opening post by the way Clap

  • #124036

    acampos
    Member

    This brings up the question I started out with. The police have killed 134 people in Salvador alone this year. The Brits come in and laugh it off with a casual “Brazil is like a warzone attitude.”
    Nice joke about ordering one more from the cops. You have to find the guy with the tabela. I’ll bet he gives discounts for encomendas like buy three, get one free.Stern%20Smile
    Bahiana gets pissed off that I am bringing up a negative point about Salvador and calls me a troll.
    The funny thing is that my neighbors from all social groups poor to rich mostly say “mata ladrao.” Lynchings are quite common. Judicially the death penalty does not exist, but it is there in the streets.
    So why is it that in 2009 300 people in Salvador can be killed by the cops and there is no coverage outside of Brazil. Just a smiling Lula giving Barack Obama a nice soccer shirt.
    The violence is getting close to my home. A gas staion manager was murdered last year on his way to the bank with the weekend purse.
    Some kids borrowed a car and robbed the farmacy near my house. The cops saw the car later that day, grabbed the owner and killed him. This was a few weeks ago.
    My Gardiner was stabbed in the stomach because he only had 20 reais or so for the theives in Salvador last year. I have a French neighbor who has been beaten and robbed a number of times. Last year at the mercadinho there was a shootout. Some dumb ass tried to rob a place that never has more than 20 reais in the caixa.
    My point is that things are getting out of control. Does anybody see the violence going down where they are?

  • #124043

    jonathand
    Member

    Unfortunately, with Brazilian TV’s predilection for shows that glorify the violence, treating the criminals as minor celebrities, I can’t see things improving in the short term.

    Many of these morons see violence and crime as a way to get their “five minutes of fame”. Brazilian TV encourages them Angry

  • #124044

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]This brings up the question I started out with. The police have killed 134 people in Salvador alone this year. The Brits come in and laugh it off with a casual “Brazil is like a warzone attitude.”[/QUOTE]We Brit’s have the dunkirk sprit, don’t you know that when most of us were growing up almost half the world was coloured pink LOL
    I’m not sure the Brit’s are laughing the violent crime off, I think it is more a case of laughing that people are surprised about the level of crime in Brazil.

  • #124047

    jonathand
    Member

    We Brits are known for our stoicism. Smile

  • #124048

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter]

    Unfortunately, with Brazilian TV’s predilection for shows that glorify the violence, treating the criminals as minor celebrities, I can’t see things improving in the short term.

    Many of these morons see violence and crime as a way to get their “five minutes of fame”.
    Brazilian TV encourages them Angry

    [/QUOTE]
    Yes there are two shows in Salvador which regularly interview the bandits. Some are so stupid they say things on camera like “I can’t wait to get back on the streets again and rob more people so I can drink pinga, smoke crack and enjoy life because THAT is what I do. Sou ladrao mesmo e gosto roubar. “I’m a thief and I like to steal.”
    I guess the TV stations tell the police “If we put them on TV we might solve more crimes.”
    I can see a new law, since Brazil is a great place for laws about not showing the faces of the criminals on daytime television. A big fight would ensue over freedom of the press/tv camera.Confused

  • #124053

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] Yes there are two shows in Salvador which regularly interview the bandits. [/QUOTE] As soon as I hear the shouts of “Socorro, meu Deus, não quero morrer!” coming from the bedroom I know that my girlfriend isn’t having a heart attack, but is watching “Na Mira”. I can’t stand the programme and find it offensive and inappropriate.

  • #124088

    jonathand
    Member

    Hyenaeatpeople – 4 posts in and already a certified troll…..LOLI’d love to see a foreing – is it some kind of ET? ConfusedCAVEAT: I know I don’t normally like nit-picking about spelling on the boards (due to the language barriers) but this guy is so ludicrous the post deserved to be riidiculed. Please accept my apologies the rest of you. Big%20smileglobetrotter2009-07-17 07:53:55

  • #124107

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=Hyenaeatpeople]The police should start shooting foreings in Brazil. It would be very funny…………[/QUOTE]And where do you think they should start, what nationality should be first?

  • #124118

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=London Lad][QUOTE=Hyenaeatpeople]The police should start shooting foreings in Brazil. It would be very funny…………[/QUOTE]And where do you think they should start, what nationality should be first?[/QUOTE]
    That’s a stupid question, CANADIANS of course!LOL
    Blame Canada, blame Canada!

  • #124123

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA][QUOTE=London Lad][QUOTE=Hyenaeatpeople]The police should start shooting foreings in Brazil. It would be very funny…………[/QUOTE]And where do you think they should start, what nationality should be first?[/QUOTE]
    That’s a stupid question, CANADIANS of course!LOL
    Blame Canada, blame Canada!
    [/QUOTE]
    The police in Salvador do a good job protecting the “foreings” during Carnaval. The nice “foreings” spend lots of money, creating jobs for the locals who all are “foreings as well because their forefathers came from Africa and Europe. Not many true “indeings” left. LOLLOLLOL
    I don’t understand the hostility. I’m just trying to understand why the police in Salvador, one city in Brazil, have killed over 130 people this year and are on track to kill 40 people in July. All this and FIFA wants to send tens of thousands of “foreings” to Salvador for the World Cup.
    If the police in every City of Europe and the States with a population of three million killed 130 people so far this year and were on track to kill 300, there would be a major uproar.

  • #124143

    lozza353
    Member

    Hi Bobby, Thank you for continuing to bring this to everyone’s attention. I wonder if human rights groups such as Amnesty International (http://www.amnesty.org) or Human Rights Watch (http://www.hrw.org) are currently monitoring and addressing the crisis in the Northeast? Amnesty, at least, seems to have had some success with a similar situation in Rio:

    Thirty Riopolice to be charged with homicide

    7 July 2009

    Thirty police officers in Brazil are to be charged with homicide, after an investigation that implicated them in the formation of a death squad and unlawful killings.

    Rio de Janeiro’s Public Prosecutors Office will be charging the officers, following its investigation into the deaths of 20 people killed by police during operations in the city’s shantytowns from 2007-8. All of them were registered as “acts of resistance”, a term used by the police to claim that proportionate force was used during police operations that result in deaths. Only two of the victims had prior criminal records and all had wounds suggesting extrajudicial execution.

    Amnesty International on Tuesday welcomed the news and the police‚Äôs full co-operation with the investigation. The organization said it would continue to monitor the case. It also urged prosecutors to extend the investigation into the over 1,000 “acts of resistance” that occur annually across the state.

    Human rights groups in Brazil and around the world have condemned the registration of police killings as “acts of resistance” ‚Äì now running at around three cases per day in the state of Rio de Janeiro. There are strong indications that the term is routinely used as a cover-up for summary executions. In his 2008 report on Brazil, the UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings concluded: “the present system constitutes a carte blanche for police killings”.

    Amnesty International has long called for an end to the use of the term and for the designation of all police killings as homicide, subject to thorough and independent investigation.

    The organization said that is time for the state authorities to build on recent initiatives, and create a police force that is accountable, professional, and responsive to the needs of all communities.

    Source: http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/good-news/thirty-rio-police-to-be-charged-with-homicide-20090707

  • #124183

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica][QUOTE=Paulistano USA][QUOTE=London Lad][QUOTE=Hyenaeatpeople]The police should start shooting foreings in Brazil. It would be very funny…………[/QUOTE]And where do you think they should start, what nationality should be first?[/QUOTE]
    That’s a stupid question, CANADIANS of course!LOL
    Blame Canada, blame Canada!
    [/QUOTE]
    The police in Salvador do a good job protecting the “foreings” during Carnaval. The nice “foreings” spend lots of money, creating jobs for the locals who all are “foreings as well because their forefathers came from Africa and Europe. Not many true “indeings” left. LOLLOLLOL
    I don’t understand the hostility. I’m just trying to understand why the police in Salvador, one city in Brazil, have killed over 130 people this year and are on track to kill 40 people in July. All this and FIFA wants to send tens of thousands of “foreings” to Salvador for the World Cup.
    If the police in every City of Europe and the States with a population of three million killed 130 people so far this year and were on track to kill 300, there would be a major uproar.
    [/QUOTE]When I was in Bahia I felt very safe, we didn’t go to Salvador so I can’t comment about how safe it is there.
    But what I have noticed about Brazil is that most cities seem to havesafe and well policed areas, while other areas are left to policethemselves and it seems to me that these are the areas with the highcrime rate.
    I am very sure that Brazil will send lots of people to see how theWorld Cup is policed in South-Africa a place where you can makecomparison with Brazil as they have many of the same problems.

  • #124187

    jonathand
    Member

    I don’t think Salvador is particularly worse than anywhere else in Brazil. As I said preveiously, the media does nothing to help the situation by it’s incessant reporting of any violence. In the 70s, British football suffered in the same way – the newspapers etc. were full of stories of violence at football matches but it wasn’t the whole truth – just a part of it. Good news is No news remember.

  • #124195

    SUELY
    Member

    Eu concordo completamente, only sensationalism sells. Regards Lou

  • #124208

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=louiehines]Eu concordo completamente, only sensationalism sells.

    Regards
    Lou

    [/QUOTE]
    Yes in Salvador “Na Mira” really goes over the top.
    But back to the question. The police have killed over 130 people in Salvador and are on track to kill 40 this month. What the hell is going on? Where is the outrage?
    I guess it comes down to the great illusion of Brazil as a peaceful country, when in reality it is extremely violent.

  • #124211

    SUELY
    Member

    Salvador is only one place in big beautiful brasil,so i tend not to agree with your :extremly dangerous comment: it’s been more than 13 years since i arrived in Brasil and i have NEVER had a problem. Regards Lou

  • #124218

    not only that, but there was a story in a tarde that stated that 87% of murders in salvador (not by police) are unsolved. People know this as well. You can kill someone in the city and have a 90% chance of no reprucussions. That is scary.

  • #124241

    enchantbeau
    Member

    [QUOTE=London Lad] [Brazil has a worldwide reputation as being an extremely violent and dangerous country and one of the most violent places in the world outside of a war zone, what do people expect when they come here, tea in the park Confused

    [/QUOTE] Not so sure about this comment. When I was about to leave for my new life in Brazil nobody I knew had anything but envy about my opportunity nor expressed anything other than that I was heading for a sunkissed tropical paradise. I’m not saying that for some places your comment isn’t true, but I wonder if it is a worldwide perception.

  • #124243

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=LouieLoco]not only that, but there was a story in a tarde that stated that 87% of murders in salvador (not by police) are unsolved. People know this as well. You can kill someone in the city and have a 90% chance of no reprucussions. That is scary. [/QUOTE]
    I feel better now. At least the 130 murders (by the police) must be the 13% of solved murders in Salvador this year.Confused
    But where is the outrage? I’ve been going to Brazil for over 22 years and I have never seen numbers like this.
    We haven’t even started with the general murders at large. How many so far in Grande Salvador Louie?

  • #124264

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    [QUOTE=delco][QUOTE=London Lad] [Brazil has a worldwide reputation as being an extremely violent and dangerous country and one of the most violent places in the world outside of a war zone, what do people expect when they come here, tea in the park Confused
    [/QUOTE]

    Not so sure about this comment. When I was about to leave for my new life in Brazil nobody I knew had anything but envy about my opportunity nor expressed anything other than that I was heading for a sun kissed tropical paradise. I’m not saying that for some places your comment isn’t true, but I wonder if it is a worldwide perception.[/QUOTE]
    Have to agree there because that’s what people thought when I left Blighty.

  • #124266

    blue
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    I guess it comes down to the great illusion of Brazil as a peaceful country, when in reality it is extremely violent.
    [/QUOTE]
    PARTSif Brazil are very peaceful, just as PARTSof Brazil are violent.
    You keep try to paint the entire country with the same brush and that plain is not factual. Sorry to say, it’s starting to sound a bit strident just like the TV shows. Yes, it sounds like there are indeed terrible problems in Salvador, bit those same problems aren’t everywherein Brazil.
    And the others are right, there’s very little knowledge of Brazil to begin with – nevermind about any violence. Some people may have heard of the problems with drug gangs in Rio, but that’s about it.
    bobnbrazil22009-07-17 20:12:09

  • #124273

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobnbrazil2][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    I guess it comes down to the great illusion of Brazil as a peaceful country, when in reality it is extremely violent.
    [/QUOTE]
    PARTSif Brazil are very peaceful, just as PARTSof Brazil are violent.
    You keep try to paint the entire country with the same brush and that plain is not factual. Sorry to say, it’s starting to sound a bit strident just like the TV shows. Yes, it sounds like there are indeed terrible problems in Salvador, bit those same problems aren’t everywherein Brazil.
    And the others are right, there’s very little knowledge of Brazil to begin with – nevermind about any violence. Some people may have heard of the problems with drug gangs in Rio, but that’s about it.
    [/QUOTE]
    Right bob,
    I never said all Brazil is dangerous, but in all of my years going there I have never seen it so bad as it is today.
    Just go to Salvador and as you leave any main street, the walls get higher really fast.
    The biggest growth industries in Salvador and the perifery have to do with building higher walls, more barbed wire, more electric fences, more big dogs, such as Rotweilers, more security cameras, and in Sampa more armored cars.
    You as many others say nothing about the 130 killed by the police in Grande Salvador this year alone. Rio is even worse. Ask Datena what he thinks.LOLLOLLOLThat guy shows the daily horrors of Sampa. Recife is the murder capital so you can say the big cities are pretty much crime infested and it is spreading out to the surrounding areas.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-17 20:49:26

  • #124275

    jonathand
    Member

    And Salvador isn’t the hell-hole that Bobby is painting either. He seems to be the antithesis to the JayPeers…. Their city is supposedly Shangri-La and Salvador is supposedly Sodom and Gomorrah rolled into one. And he doesn’t even live in Salvador, but on the island. That’s like someone who lives on the Isle of Wight taking potshots at Portsmouth. Sure Salvador has problems, but so has any city in Brazil. This is Brazil guys…. it’s not the USA, it’s not the UK, it’s a different country with a whole different package of problems. I’m sure none of us came here expecting it to be Disney World. You have to be aware of your surroundings, the environment, the situations that you find yourself in and act accordingly – whatever city you’re in. I’m not making light of any of these deaths Bobby, but am concerned at your “war” on Salvador, and that your “reporting” is bringing you towards the mindset of those TV programmes that we discussed eariler in the thread. globetrotter2009-07-17 20:43:28

  • #124279

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter]And Salvador isn’t the hell-hole that Bobby is painting either. He seems to be the antithesis to the JayPeers…. Their city is supposedly Shangri-La and Salvador is supposedly Sodom and Gomorrah rolled into one. And he doesn’t even live in Salvador, but on the island. That’s like someone who lives on the Isle of Wight taking potshots at Portsmouth.

    Sure Salvador has problems, but so has any city in Brazil. This is Brazil guys…. it’s not the USA, it’s not the UK, it’s a different country with a whole different package of problems.
    I’m sure none of us came here expecting it to be Disney World. You have to be aware of your surroundings, the environment, the situations that you find yourself in and act accordingly – whatever city you’re in.
    I’m not making light of any of these deaths Bobby, but am concerned at your “war” on Salvador, and that your “reporting” is bringing you towards the mindset of those TV programmes that we discussed eariler in the thread.

    [/QUOTE]
    So you too just say Salvador has problems when the cops are on track to kill 300 people this year?
    Listen friend I am certainly not declaring war on Salvador by citing the facts as to what is happening here and now.
    I am also not making war on Itaparica as I have cited the many sad events that have happened on the island.
    I never expected a Disney land as you say but with all due respect things are getting worse in Salvador and Itaparica.
    When in Brazil I go several times a week to Salvador.
    The city could be compared to Rio in terms of the contrasts that exist. Beautiful towers in some neighborhoods, and vast favelas a stones throw away. Strange Dengue is found in Pelourinho and it is an epicenter.

  • #124284

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] Strange Dengue is found in Pelourinho and it is an epicenter.
    [/QUOTE]
    Say what? Its strange because it chooses NOT to go there?

  • #124285

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=tamashin][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] Strange Dengue is found in Pelourinho and it is an epicenter.
    [/QUOTE]
    Say what? Its strange because it chooses NOT to go there?
    [/QUOTE]
    Pelourinho is touted as the historic center of Salvador where the government has spent millions to fix it up, yet Pelourinho is a Dengue epicenter. The government can’t even control dengue in a historic district. So as one major tourist attractions is a dengue infested epicenter.
    At night it becomes a crack infested dangerous place when not policed like it is when concerts are held. The place today is sad and most of the restaurants have closed.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-17 21:55:57

  • #124295

    acampos
    Member

    Just another cop killed in Salvador. They say it was an ambush. If a cop was ambushed in Europe or the States it would be a big deal. So the score now goes cops 5 ladroes 130 plus so far this year in Salvador. Que triste.
    CIDADES

    17/07/2009 às 23:26

    COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Policial militar é baleado no Dique do Tororó

    Samuel Lima l A TARDE

    O soldado da Polícia Militar Genésio Neves Conceição, 36 anos, foibaleado na noite desta sexta-feira, 17, quando caminhava na AvenidaVasco da Gama ‚Äì em uma das pistas que circundam o Dique do Tororó. Osoldado, que levou um único tiro na cintura, permanece internado, emestado grave, no Hospital Geral do Estado.

    A última informação fornecida pelo tenente Alex Silvany, chefe deoperações do Rondas Especiais (Rondesp) ‚Äì unidade à qual o soldadointegra ‚Äì era a de que Genésio passava por cirurgia e que os médicosestavam com dificuldades em conter uma hemorragia. Segundo policiaisque compareceram ao HGE para acompanhar a situação do baleado, quatrohomens atacaram o militar a tiros, por volta de 19h30, quando faziacooper.

    Foi uma emboscada, já estavam de olho nele. Inclusive, já tinhafalado com ele que policial da Rondesp não pode ficar por aí debobeira. Na hora de folga, é melhor ficar em casa jogando videogame,desabafou um sargento da unidade, que pediu para não ter a identidaderevelada. Conforme os policiais da Rondesp, um dos bandidos foireconhecido por testemunhas como Nunga, indivíduo envolvido em assaltosna região do Dique.

    Temos essa informação, mas estamos na rua em busca de mais pistas.O que temos é que testemunhas viram esse Nunga entre os homens queatiraram no soldado, concluiu o tenente Alex. Genésio, contaram oscolegas, estava acompanhado de uma soldado, mas o nome dela não foidivulgado. Apesar da relatada violência do ataque, ela não foi atingidapelos criminosos.

    O sargento anônimo disse também que Genésio teria conseguidoreagir, abrindo fogo e baleando um dos bandidos ‚Äì o que não foiconfirmado oficialmemte. Genésio foi assistido no local por uma equipedo Serviço de Atendimento Móvel de Urgência, que o conduziu ao HGE. Osoldado já serviu na 40¬™ Companhia Independente (Nordeste de Amaralina)e está há um ano na Rondesp.

  • #124299

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica][QUOTE=tamashin][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] Strange Dengue is found in Pelourinho and it is an epicenter.
    [/QUOTE]
    Say what? Its strange because it chooses NOT to go there?
    [/QUOTE]
    Pelourinho is touted as the historic center of Salvador where the government has spent millions to fix it up, yet Pelourinho is a Dengue epicenter. The government can’t even control dengue in a historic district. So as one major tourist attractions is a dengue infested epicenter.
    At night it becomes a crack infested dangerous place when not policed like it is when concerts are held. The place today is sad and most of the restaurants have closed.
    [/QUOTE]
    Hello Bob, I think you have gone off on a tandem with that one. Do you know how dengue occurs? I can recommend some excellent dengue posts on this site and a Google search will help too.

  • #124313

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    Hi Bobbit, I’m talking tandem again, I was just trying to relate what you said about Salvador with the above item. Dont get me wrong, it’s very good. Now tell us why dengue cant occur in Pelourinho. My point being that it can occur anywhere in Salvador. Thanks for joining me on the tandem; whos up front or are we taking turns?

  • #124325

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=tamashin]Hi Bobbit, I’m talking tandem again, I was just trying to relate what you said about Salvador with the above item. Dont get me wrong, it’s very good. Now tell us why dengue cant occur in Pelourinho. My point being that it can occur anywhere in Salvador. Thanks for joining me on the tandem; whos up front or are we taking turns?[/QUOTE]
    Dengue is up 300% in Bahia. Pelourinho is infested with dengue. The reason is the government is not spending enough money to police the properties to prevent puddles of water from forming. Too cheap to spray insecticide on a regular basis. Even on the island of Itaparica a year has passed without a dengue inspection in my neighborhood. I suspect those in power are pocketing the money and having a grand time.
    On the island the locals form large mounds of trash and often light the mounds on fire. They toss glass and plastic bottles and , plastic bags into the brush providing a home for the mosquitoes.
    The government could easily abolish the plastic bags and nonreturnable bottles, this would be a big help to reduce the dengue problem.

  • #124331

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    The government could easily abolish the plastic bags and nonreturnable bottles, this would be a big help to reduce the dengue problem.
    [/QUOTE] Excuse the pun, but that’s rubbish! Much easier said than done. Even first world countries haven’t been able to do that so how can you expect Brazil to do that in the bat of an eyelid.

  • #124335

    micko
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter]Much easier said than done. Even first world countries haven’t been able to do that so how can you expect Brazil to do that in the bat of an eyelid.[/QUOTE]I think in the first world countries where ‘rubbish’ is responsibly disposed of there isn’t as much impetus to ban the indescrimate use of plastic bags. But Kenya and Uganda have managed.

  • #124373

    SUELY
    Member

    It’s amazing to me how you bleeding hearts think,why is it that the gov has to dispose of your generated refuge. LONG LIVE THE REPUBS!!!

  • #124378

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=louiehines]It’s amazing to me how you bleeding hearts think,why is it that the gov has to dispose of your generated refuge.

    LONG LIVE THE REPUBS!!!

    [/QUOTE]
    You sir are off topic. Who are the repubs? Your mother obviously never gave you time.
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    Policial militar é baleado no Dique do Tororó

    Samuel Lima l A TARDE

    O soldado da Polícia Militar Genésio Neves Conceição, 36 anos, foibaleado na noite desta sexta-feira, 17, quando caminhava na AvenidaVasco da Gama ‚Äì em uma das pistas que circundam o Dique do Tororó. Osoldado, que levou um único tiro na cintura, permanece internado, emestado grave, no Hospital Geral do Estado.

    A última informação fornecida pelo tenente Alex Silvany, chefe deoperações do Rondas Especiais (Rondesp) ‚Äì unidade à qual o soldadointegra ‚Äì era a de que Genésio passava por cirurgia e que os médicosestavam com dificuldades em conter uma hemorragia. Segundo policiaisque compareceram ao HGE para acompanhar a situação do baleado, quatrohomens atacaram o militar a tiros, por volta de 19h30, quando faziacooper.

    Foi uma emboscada, já estavam de olho nele. Inclusive, já tinhafalado com ele que policial da Rondesp não pode ficar por aí debobeira. Na hora de folga, é melhor ficar em casa jogando videogame,desabafou um sargento da unidade, que pediu para não ter a identidaderevelada. Conforme os policiais da Rondesp, um dos bandidos foireconhecido por testemunhas como Nunga, indivíduo envolvido em assaltosna região do Dique.

    Temos essa informação, mas estamos na rua em busca de mais pistas.O que temos é que testemunhas viram esse Nunga entre os homens queatiraram no soldado, concluiu o tenente Alex. Genésio, contaram oscolegas, estava acompanhado de uma soldado, mas o nome dela não foidivulgado. Apesar da relatada violência do ataque, ela não foi atingidapelos criminosos.

    O sargento anônimo disse também que Genésio teria conseguidoreagir, abrindo fogo e baleando um dos bandidos ‚Äì o que não foiconfirmado oficialmemte. Genésio foi assistido no local por uma equipedo Serviço de Atendimento Móvel de Urgência, que o conduziu ao HGE. Osoldado já serviu na 40¬™ Companhia Independente (Nordeste de Amaralina)e está há um ano na Rondesp.

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    to learn about empathy.
    Another cop killed in Salvador.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-19 00:23:57

  • #124447

    acampos
    Member

    Lack of Police in Salvador from A Tarde..

    19/07/2009 às 22:34

    – ATUALIZADAàs 22:50COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Polícia Militar fecha 26 dos 81 módulos policiais de Salvador

    Helga Cirino, de A TARDE

    Trinta e dois por cento (26) dos 81 módulos da Polícia Militar deSalvador estão fechados, de acordo com levantamento de A TARDE feitoatravés de informaçõesdas próprias Companhias Independentes da PM (CIPMs). Moradores decomunidades de Salvador reclamam da desativação sem comunicação préviada da Secretaria de Segurança Pública (SSP).

    Na região de Nordeste de Amaralina, Santa Cruz e Vale das Pedrinhas,onde a briga entre traficantes já culminou na morte de pelo menos cincopessoas e nos ferimentos de outras 16 este mês, todos os três módulosestão desativados. Em um deles, os PMs foram expulsos portraficantes, reclamou um morador, que preferiu o anonimato.
    Resposta ‚Äì Chefe de comunicação da PM, o capitão Marcelo Pita avisouque não existe determinação de desativação dos módulos policiais naBahia. Se aconteceu em algum bairro é temporário. Ocorre em função deum ajuste operacional, explicou. No entanto, ele defendeu aimportância de um policiamento móvel. Nosso entendimento técnico é deque os módulos tem uma ação restrita. A área de cobertura para asunidades móveis é maior e, consequentemente, é maior a capacidade deatendimento da população, analisou.

    Para o coordenador jurídico da Associação de Praças, Policiais eBombeiros Militares (Aspra), Fábio Brito, os módulos de Salvador servemde maneira precária e oferecem riscos aos militares. A SSP não temefetivo suficiente, reclamou.

    A informaçãofoi confirmada pelo comandante da 58¬™ Companhia Independente(CIPM/Cosme de Farias), major Josenilton da Hora Silva. Ele éresponsável por dois módulos policiais, ambos desativados, um deles naVila Lauro e outro na Baixa do Tubo. Os dois precisam ser reformados.Também não temos efetivo para ocupá-los, explicou.

    Leia mais na edição impressa ou digital (clique aqui) desta segunda.

    bobbyitaparica2009-07-19 22:53:54

  • #124458

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=tamashin][QUOTE=delco][QUOTE=London Lad] [Brazil has a worldwide reputation as being an extremely violent and dangerous country and one of the most violent places in the world outside of a war zone, what do people expect when they come here, tea in the park Confused
    [/QUOTE]

    Not so sure about this comment. When I was about to leave for my new life in Brazil nobody I knew had anything but envy about my opportunity nor expressed anything other than that I was heading for a sun kissed tropical paradise. I’m not saying that for some places your comment isn’t true, but I wonder if it is a worldwide perception.[/QUOTE]
    Have to agree there because that’s what people thought when I left Blighty.
    [/QUOTE]But they are not exclusive, Brazil also has a worldwide reputation forother things as well, many of them positive, it isn’t all bad.
    Are you saying that Brazil doesn’t have areputation as a violent and dangerous country, if so I would say lookat almost any developed countries Government website where they giveadvice to travelers, all the ones I’ve read mention the dangerous inBrazil, as do most travel books Confused
    That is not the same as saying everywhere you go in Brazil you will be robbed or shot, it is clear that isn’t the case.
    My point being that anyone who did research on Brazil prior to movinghere MUST have been aware of the crime and murder rate, or they didn’tresearch the country very well.
    It didn’t stop me moving here as it is clear that not everywhere inBrazil is the same, just this small city like the one I live in, hasmassive differences in crime levels depending on what part of the cityyou are in. I feel safe living here, but I also know crime isn’t faraway.
    I think it is at beginning of the film City of God they show a few statements, one of which if I remember said:
    More people have been murdered in Rio alone then have been killed in the Arab Israeli conflict during the same time period.
    The above is not me knockingBrazil as I love the country, it is just what I read and heard fromothers when I was researching Brazil as a place to move to, my surpriseisn’t that Brazil is dangerous, it is that some people have moved here andfind the high crime rate shocking and a surprise when it is so well documented (this site is good evidence of that).
    London Lad2009-07-20 10:18:26

  • #124459

    jonathand
    Member

    ClapClapClapI totally agree LL. Some areas of Salvador are more safe than others. I don’t feel particularly unsafe, but am aware. I find it depressing that BobIt feels a need to regurgitate bad news stories all the time. It paints a picture that although is true to a certain extent, is NOT the whole picture. Salvador is much more than this…

  • #124474

    acampos
    Member

    Yes, Salvador is much more than this. I am not happy when the violence is at such a high rate. I have never in the more than twenty years of going to Brazil seen it this bad.
    I am not alone. Read the comments of the locals.
    Another cop killed by two guys on a motorcyle open fire with more than 20 bullets on the island of Itaparica at church in front of a bunch of people.

    20/07/2009 às 08:48

    COMENTÁRIOS (27)

    Policial civil é assassinado na Ilha de Itaparica

    Helga Cirino – A TARDE

    Agentes do Serviço de Investigação (SI) da Delegacia de Itaparica estão à caça dos dois homensque mataram a tiros o policial civil Mário Sérgio Moreira, 37 anos,durante um culto evangélico do qual participava. Lotado na 19¬™ CP(Delegacia de Itaparica), o civil era conhecido como Mário PT.

    De acordo com informaçõesde agentes da Central de Telecomunicações das Polícias Civil e Militar(Centel), os dois homens chegaram armados em uma motocicleta e abriramfogo contra o policial que foi alvejado com mais de 20 tiros. Motivo eautoria do crime ainda estão sendo apurados pelos policiais.

    Adalice Pedreira (20/07/2009 – 13:41)

    Estamosvivendo uma verdadeira guerra. Aonde vamos parrar, não sabemos! Seráque ja não está na hora do nosso povo se concientizarque devemos ir ás ruas gritar, brigar e se esperniar. Deixar tudo porconta dosgovernos não esta resolvendo nada. O que vemos é um descaso total dospoderes publico com o seu povo. Estão matandoas pessoas como se mata uma barata. Quem vai nos defender onde esta osdefensores dos direitos humanos da nossa terra onde eramos felizes enão sabíamos.’Saudades de ACM’

    Cidadão Atento (20/07/2009 – 13:35)

    Esperamos as costumeiras declarações do deleggado chefe de policia, cesar nunes sobre o assassinato de mais esse policial.

    Eustacio Lopes (20/07/2009 – 12:56)

    a insegurança pública

    Jlz (20/07/2009 – 12:31)

    Comentariosdos concursos a ser HOMOLOGADO não resolve problemas com a insegurança.O concurso deve ser HOMOLOGADO sim… Mas usar este espaço de protestopara expressar AFOBAÇÃO sobre a aprovação em um concurso é BOBAGEM…Eusou funcionário FEDERAL e normalmente as HOMOLOGAÇÕES demoram…Epreciso um plano de segurança URGENTE para a nossa Bahia, mas essaexecução parece ter relaçao com algo que não conhecemos…INVESTIGUEM eacharão os culpados…

    Jailton Batista (20/07/2009 – 12:29)

    Nós!Sociedade atribuimos a culpa aos nossos governantes, porém osverdadeiros culpados somos nós. Em países europeus qdo os governantes ñtrabalham em prol do povo, há manifestações públicas, e se luta peloque se quer, lutam, brigam vencem ou perdem, mas não perdem o direitode brigarem por seus direitos. Vamos á luta. Esse país é nosso.

    Rose (20/07/2009 – 12:17)

    Essaé a Bahia de todos nós. De todos nós no caos a saúde, na segurança, naeducação, no transporte e outros. Essa é a Bahia de todos eles(governosic), da roubalheira, trambicagem, politicalha, incompetência,bandidagem, enriquecimento ilícito etc. Enquanto isso…na Bahia detodos nós, todo dia vários estão pagando com as suas próprias vidas.Petralhas!!! nunca mais. Espero que o povo tenha aprendido.

    Bruno (20/07/2009 – 12:14)

    Percebe-seque não há mais controle. Policiais estão sendo alvejados comfacilidade.O contigente policial está bastante defasado em todo o estado. Tem oconcurso da PMBA2008 QUE ATÉ HOJE NÃO FOI HOMOLOGADO… SÃO 3.200PESSOAS AGURDANDO CONVOCAÇÃO.JAQUES WAGNER, acorda para a vida… não podemos viver a mercê dabandidagem. Está faltando ATITUDE no seu mandato, que com certeza nãose extenderá.

    Andre (20/07/2009 – 12:13)

    séfoce um cidadão comum éles inha invadir um bairro de salvador éezecutar uma familia enteira é agora que foi um policial que mato o queeles vão fazer!

    Andre (20/07/2009 – 12:11)

    Emmenos de 24Hs, vão pegar os assassinos….AFINAL, A VITIMA ERA UMPOLICIAL, É O CRIMINOSO TAM BEM ! AGORA OS POLICIAS CIVIL TEM QUEEMVADIR A CORREGEDORIS PARA MATAR O POLICIAL !ASSIM COMO EZECULTA OCIDADÃO ! CIVIL

    João Dos Santos (20/07/2009 – 11:52)

    Nãosejam bobos. O governador só quer se reeleger e manter no governo oscompanheiros. Para isso a estratégia é “muita propaganda” que inclusive”compra” o beneplácito da mídia. Além do mais, os mortos não votam.

    R.Guimaraes (20/07/2009 – 11:46)

    GOVERNOFRACO E SOCIEDADE TOLERANTE AO CRIME, EM MENOS DE DUAS SEMANAS DOISPOLICIAIS VITIMAS DE ATENTADO QUE TIRARAM SUAS VIDAS, O NOSSOGOVERNADOR SI QUER FAZ UM COMENTARIO…!!SE POLICIAL QUE PODE PORTARARMA, NAO É MAS RESPEITADO , IMAGINE O CIDADAO CIVIL,ESTAMOS ENTREGUESAOS MARGINAIS MESMO, NOSSA SOCIEDADE JA PERDEU ESSA GUERRA…GOSTARIADE SABER SE ALGUM DEFENSOR DOS DIREITOS HUMANOS ” de marginais” VAIPARA O INTERRO PARA CONSOLAR A VIUVA E OS ORFAOS..CONTINUEM ENGESSANDOA POLICIA!!

    Hélio Mendes Cazuquel (20/07/2009 – 11:44)

    Violênciax Segurança PúblicaO que estamos esperando para tomarmos as decisões que a insegurançapública requer. Não é mais possível convivermos com tanta violência. Seos Agentes de Segurança do Estado não se encontram mais protegidos,trata-se de um caos total. Continuo clamando todos os segmentos dasociedade baiana para buscarmos alternativas para, de uma vez portodas, por fim a essa escalada de violência que assola o Estado daBahia. Apelo à SSP que convoque a sociedade para tanto.

    Reinaldo (20/07/2009 – 11:39)

    Nãoé possivel que o Estado a quem tem o dever de proteger os cidadãos vaificar omisso nesta situação de caos um por todo e todo por um, mais afamília dos nossos representantes(politicos em si) eleito infelismentepor nos estão bem protegidas aliás muitos não estão nem aqui noBrasil(Estar na hora de um basta) e compete ao chefe de governoEstadual tomar uma providência energica ou vai ficar assistindo decamarote!!!!!

    Antonio Gomes (20/07/2009 – 11:38)

    Respostaao leitor Cesar Rezak : Eu só posso lamentar a sua falta desensibilidade nesse momento tragico pois é mais do que natural que oscolegas desse policial se posicionem de forma energica e initerrupta nacaptura desses marginais .Mas nao me supreendo com seu comentario pois o brasileiro nao valorizaseus policiais mas protegem os marginais que matam, estrupam e drogamseus filhos.

    Sophia (20/07/2009 – 11:37)

    Qualtamanha violencia e desreipeito com o ser humano, quem iria imaginar umpolicial morto na ilha que era calma e ainda numa igreja. O povo naoteme nem a DEUS imagina temer dos homens, cadê a segurança da Bahia,até onde vai parar ? Cadê vc governador? Os policiais e a populaçãoestar morrendo. Vocês se preocupam apenas com propagadandas mas açãomesmo nada.

    Deleon (20/07/2009 – 11:35)

    Enquanto isso, nos palácios governamentais… tudo normal!

    Francisco (20/07/2009 – 11:32)

    Quinta 23/07/09, a PM está articulando uma greve, como irá ficar isso? O Estado está sem Comando, terra sem lei, dai para pior.

    Luciano (20/07/2009 – 11:26)

    OXENTE!!! Não adianta o Sec. Cesar da Mídia ficar fazendo propaganda enganosa E a Bahia está LIGHT!!!!!UI.

    Ascanio (20/07/2009 – 11:02)

    a guerra está começando…

    Venoon (20/07/2009 – 10:54)

    Eainda ouço o Secretário de Seg falar que tudo está beem. E a famíliadesse homem?! O Estado vai dar outro pai aos seus filhos? ParabénsWagner, e CIA!

    Esequiel Teles (20/07/2009 – 10:35)

    Enquantoesse Estado em que seu comandante não dá a mínima para o combate àviolência e tráfico de drogas (não sei porque ele não combate asdrogas), a polícia e a população é quem paga. Mas vamos sediar a copado mundo. Tá tudo bem.

    Manuel (20/07/2009 – 10:27)

    Ate os policiais estao entregues, nao é so o cidadao somente.Deste jeito a cada dia vai piorando mais e mais, onde vamos parar?O delegado de Iaparica agora e mais energico, sera que vai conseguir saber de tudo?Em motos nao se identifica nada, pq nao colocam nos capacetes e nos fundos das motos uma identificação mais visivel,????

    César Rezak (20/07/2009 – 10:25)

    Emmenos de 24Hs, vão pegar os assassinos….AFINAL, A VITIMA ERA UMPOLICIAL, E NESSES CASOS A POLICIA TRABALHA RAPIDO E COM EFICIENCIA.

    Borges (20/07/2009 – 10:16)

    virouzona de guerra, e o pior , a bandidagem perdeu o respeito pelo estado,não temem mais as forças de segurança, estamos vivendo um caos social,e o nosso governo age de forma omissa, a população na linha de fogo.

    Sergio Viana (20/07/2009 – 10:07)

    cadeos defensores dos direitos humanos , os hipocritas? o colega estavanuma igreja, não foi festa,bar,rua ou qualquer outro lugar,respondam… ou se escondam atraz de palavras ou falsas teorias sobre aviolencia.

    Joaquim (20/07/2009 – 10:06)

    Ésseé o quadro da segrurança na Bahia: policiais maus pagos,problemasestruturais sérios no sistema de segurança pública, policiais sendoabatidos(SD NEVES DA RONDESP e MARIO PT DA PC) por defenderem asociedade, essa mesma que não está nem aí, que nem os vê como filhos,pais, cidadãos, que deixam para trás uma história de vida, por combatero crime. Se nem eles estavam seguros, já pensou se vc está? Espera-seque os orgãos de direitos humanos tomem partido nesta causa cobrando doGoverno.

    Alberto Leonidas (20/07/2009 – 09:17)

    E aí Governador pergunta para o Secretário se a BAHIA estar light

    bobbyitaparica2009-07-20 13:26:31

  • #124476

    acampos
    Member

    Cops kill another young man, 21 years old in Salvador. They claim he opened fire on the three cops who were attempting to bring him in. The poor fellow was nearly electrocuted stealing from the metro project and had been shot as well. Third time was not a charm for him.
    todas as notícias de CIDADES

    19/07/2009 às 16:56

    COMENTÁRIOS (38)

    Suspeito de matar policial no Dique morre em confronto

    Samuel Lima, do A TARDE

    Apontadopela polícia como um dos envolvidos no assassinato do soldado PMGenésio Neves Conceição, de 36 anos, Jeferson Tiago Souza Correia,conhecido como Nunga, 21, acabou morto em uma ação policial, na FazendaGarcia, no final da tarde deste sábado, 18. Na manhã do mesmo dia, osoldado morreu no Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE), onde dera entrada navéspera, após baleado quando fazia cooper no Dique do Tororó.
    Segundo os registros da 1¬™ CP (Vale dos Barris), Jeferson respondeu comtiros à voz de prisão dada por três policiais da Rondas Especiais(Rondesp) ‚Äì mesma unidade que o soldado Neves integrava ‚Äì e acabouatingido três vezes. Levado ao HGE pelos próprios policiais, nãoresistiu aos ferimentos. Os militares apresentaram na 1¬™ CP um revólvercalibre 38, com o qual, segundo eles, Jeferson atirou no momento daabordagem.
    a frente da equipe, o tenente Denis Barbosa confirmou ao plantão da 1¬™CP que, junto com os colegas, investigava a morte do soldado, quandoteria ocorrido o confronto com Jeferson, na Rua Padre Domingos deBrito. Cerca de uma hora após o soldado Neves ser baleado, policiais daRondesp já apontavam Jeferson como um dos criminosos.
    Consta nos arquivos da Secretaria da Segurança Pública que elerespondia a um processo na 8¬™ Vara Crime por assalto a ônibus (2007) ea um inquérito na 1¬™ CP por furto praticado contra instalações daSuperintendência de Desportos do Estado (2006).
    Os mesmos arquivos revelam que Jeferson já havia escapado da morte duasvezes. Em abril do ano passado, ele foi eletrocutado ao tentar arrancara fiação no canteiro de obras do metrô da Lapa. No terceiro dia desteano, foi conduzido à 6¬™ CP (Brotas), após ser encontrado, baleado,sobre a laje de uma igreja evangélica na localidade do DiquePequeno.
    funeral ‚Äì O corpo do soldado Neves foi sepultado na manhã destedomingo, 19, no cemitério Campo Santo. Pelo menos 300 pessoascompareceram ao funeral. Salva de tiros e o hino da PM, entoado porcolegas, foram algumas das homenagens a Neves, que deixou esposa e umcasal de filhos.
    Não vamos admitir que os criminosos venham agir contra nós. Vamos darrespostas, buscando proteger o cidadão de bem e nossos policiais. Temoso domínio do caso e vamos trabalhar para chegar aos outros envolvidosna morte do soldado Neves, declarou o coronel Nilton Mascarenhas,comandante-geral da PM.

  • #124545

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobnbrazil2] [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]

    I
    [/QUOTE]

    PARTSif Brazil are very peaceful, just as PARTSof Brazil are violent.

    [/QUOTE] Indeed there’s a small town with just a few thousand people in it about 200 kilometres from Goias in Goiana which hasn’t recorded a crime since 1962.

  • #124547

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    The government could easily abolish the plastic bags and nonreturnable bottles, this would be a big help to reduce the dengue problem.
    [/QUOTE] Excuse the pun, but that’s rubbish! Much easier said than done. Even first world countries haven’t been able to do that so how can you expect Brazil to do that in the bat of an eyelid. [/QUOTE] Actually Ireland has, and in the UK the supermarkets started a massive campaign to reduce plastic bag use a couple of years ago. Marks and Spencer already issues 50% less bags than it used to. And an Australian town recently banned bottled water.

  • #124552

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Juninho][QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    The government could easily abolish the plastic bags and nonreturnable bottles, this would be a big help to reduce the dengue problem.
    [/QUOTE] Excuse the pun, but that’s rubbish! Much easier said than done. Even first world countries haven’t been able to do that so how can you expect Brazil to do that in the bat of an eyelid. [/QUOTE] Actually Ireland has, and in the UK the supermarkets started a massive campaign to reduce plastic bag use a couple of years ago. Marks and Spencer already issues 50% less bags than it used to. And an Australian town recently banned bottled water. [/QUOTE] Maybe BobIt should have used the word “reduce” rather than “abolish”. Smile

  • #124553

    mastercoop
    Member

    I think the long-term intention is indeed to abolish it, and many places are well on the way to doing that.

  • #124606

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    Remember this? The plastic bag counter.
    http://www.resbrasil.com.br/default.asp?i=7
    Its good to see that Pao De Açucar is giving money back if you dont take any plastic bags. At least here in

  • #124817

    acampos
    Member
    Six armed youths planning to attack the Itaparica Club Med. The youths are from Salvador and were invited to the island to commit crimes including executions. Caught on the island by the cops. Good work.
    Another example of the outrageous criminals attacking tourists in Brazil Salvador-Itaparica.
    23/07/2009 às 10:43

    COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Seis homens são presos acusados de planejar assalto ao Club Med

    Paula Pitta – A TARDE On Line

    Seis homens foram presos na Ilha de Itaparica, em uma localidadeconhecida como Conceição, na noite desta quarta-feira, 22. O grupo estásendo acusado de planejar assalto ao Club Med, tráfico de drogas eexecução de traficantes. De acordo com o delegado de Vera Cruz, LúcioUbiracê, a quadrilha, que atua em São Caetano, em Salvador, tinhacontatos na ilha e foi chamada para cometer os crimes na região.

    Entre os seis presos estão três irmãos: Danilo, 19, David, 18 eDiego Silva Jesus, conhecido como pica-pau, de 21 anos. Os outrosdetidos são Alessandro da Paixão Pereira, 30, vulgo Brinco, Railan Ivandos Santos das Neves, 18, chamado de Rai, e Daniel Araújo Santos, 18, oDan.

    O delegado disse que já existiam mandados de prisão em nome dogrupo e que eles participaram de um confronto com policiais em Salvadorno último mês, que acabou com a morte de um suposto criminoso deprenome Samuel. Com o grupo, foi encontrado meio quilo de maconha emunição de pistola 9 mm.

    bobbyitaparica2009-07-23 11:41:54

  • #124821

    jonathand
    Member

    You’re like a written version of Na Mira at the moment ConfusedTamashin floods the JP thread with C&Ps from websites and you flood this thread with C&Ps in much the same way. But at least Tamasin’s C&Ps aren’t negative. Keep this up and you’ll drive any potential new residents of Salvador away! globetrotter2009-07-23 12:25:17

  • #124822

    mastercoop
    Member

    If you’re planning to move to Salvador, you want to know what you’re letting yourself in for, unless of course you can borrow Bahianna’s cloak of invincibility.

  • #124826

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Juninho]If you’re planning to move to Salvador, you want to know what you’re letting yourself in for, unless of course you can borrow Bahianna’s cloak of invincibility.[/QUOTE] That’s as maybe, but the impression that BobIt gives is that it’s the worst place in Brazil for violence, that it’s a veritable war-zone. I’m pretty sure it’s no worse than many other places in Brazil. I feel more secure living in Salvador than I would have felt living in Belfast during “The Troubles”.

  • #124829

    mastercoop
    Member

    Having travelled extensively across Brazil and much of 4 continents, I can honestly say I’ve never felt as frightened or intimidated as when in Salvador, fears that were backed up by the official advice by the local police and the hostel I stayed in. I have also only ever been pickpocketed twice in my life – both in Salvador. Belfast is a walk in the park compared to Salvador, where the troubles have never ended.

  • #124833

    jonathand
    Member

    I’m not saying that Salvador is my first choice of location in Brazil, but Salvador is where fate led me. You had a bad experience there, so your view has understandably been tainted. Rio is a beautiful city but it is undermined by drugs and violence, so – although I would live there for the view, I wouldn’t live there because of the violence (I saw my first and only- so far – assault there.) I wouldn’t want to live in Sao Paulo for the same reasons (although the Sao Paulo I saw in a 3 day visit was an ugly city so I wouldn’t want to live there anyway). But these decisions are based upon visits… not living there. Much as your impression of Salvador. globetrotter2009-07-23 13:28:00

  • #124836

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=Juninho]If you’re planning to move to Salvador, you want to know what you’re letting yourself in for, unless of course you can borrow Bahianna’s cloak of invincibility.[/QUOTE]

    That’s as maybe, but the impression that BobIt gives is that it’s the worst place in Brazil for violence, that it’s a veritable war-zone.
    I’m pretty sure it’s no worse than many other places in Brazil. I feel more secure living in Salvador than I would have felt living in Belfast during “The Troubles”.

    [/QUOTE]
    Let me be the first to say SALVADOR IS NOT A WARZONE.
    I have lived four years on the island of Itaparica and in that time period only one person has jumped the garden wall, jumped my bedroom window, and took a few items, exiting the same window and jumping the wall. Lucky for him the dogs didn’t notice. A local gardener saw him, a shoeless teen skinny dark kid not from the neighborhood. He had a buddy in the street at the gate distracting the dogs.
    Over the last four years about half the homes in my neighborhood have been broken into with one case in which a half dozen youths tied up the casero and knifed all the furniture looking for money in the sofa. The kids were caught walking away from the scene with various things including a tv set. One of the thieves was a sixteen year old girl. The police took the youths to the Vera Cruz police station.
    My gardener was knifed and nearly killed over 20 reais. He was in Salvadorgoing to see his wife at the hospital.
    Last week some island youths borrowed a car and came to the pharmacy in Barra do Gil and robbed it. A small place of 15 square meters. The kids returned to Ponta Areia and returned the car. The cops saw the car, chased the owner and killed him.
    Numerous boat owners were attacked, robbed and nearly killed at the Itaparica Marina last year.
    Last year a house up my street was attacked and looted by an armed gunman. The dozen tourists were from Sao Paulo. The same thing happened in the house behind my house a few years ago an again last February a few block from my place closer to Penha.
    In general Salvador and Itaparica are becoming walled cities. The walls are rising and more and more bobbed wire, electric fences, bars on windows, big dogs are growth industries.
    In all of the attacks, tourists were renting the houses with a low wall and no dogs. Amazing the owners continue to rent these houses never suggesting to “bring your dog.”
    Once again this is not a warzone. Just things are happening that never happened before on this verdant island. Cop murdered at Baptist church in Itaparica last week. Drive by murder last month also in Itaparica. Guy killed in Gamaleira for construction material last month. All crap on the island if Itaparica. Another fellow murdered at Bom Despacho last month. Yuck.
    On a positive note the cops got the half dozen youths from Salvador who were planning to attack the Club Med in Itaparica. I’ve walked the beach there and a security guy thought I was a guest and warned me that I was leaving the security zone. I told him I wasn’t a Club Med guest. They have good security.
    FIFA would never allow the World Cup to be hosted in Salvador and the vast majority of Carnaval party goers returned unharmed. So I repeat “Salvador is not a warzone.”
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-23 18:12:32

  • #124841

    lmaonade5
    Member

    My neighbors (the fishermen’s kids and other neighbors of limited means)read this last post and the first response is that Penha is a slum, one of the poorest on the island, o mais perigoso, and no wonder things happen, if people build a casarao near there. Bahiana772009-07-23 14:40:02

  • #124870

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]My neighbors (the fishermen’s kids and other neighbors of limited means)read this last post and the first response is that Penha is a slum, one of the poorest on the island, o mais perigoso, and no wonder things happen, if people build a casarao near there. [/QUOTE]LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
    LOLLOLLOLLOL
    Why attack Penha? Did the security guys at the gate run the children off?
    I don’t understand your post. The fisherman’s kids and other neighbors read English? Let them type a response about the various murders all over the island.
    The police killed the car owner who was a vereador in Ponta de Areia.
    Murders in Bom Despacho, Gamaleira, Baptist church of Itaparica, and also at the Itaparica Marina. (That was the catamaran owner.) Drive by shooting was not even near Penha. So the violence issue is all over the island.
    It is no crime to be poor and no crime not to be poor. So you really think bad things should happen to people who don’t happen to live in a favela?
    Is that what the children are thinking?
    My friend whose house was ransacked has owned it for over forty years with no problem until the event last year.
    Igrejinha da Penha, Praia da Penha and Barra do Gil. The prefeitura of Vera Cruz placed the foto on the IPTU booklet last year. The beaches are said to be among the most beautiful on the island. There are some rough spots near “Rua do Cine.”
    There is a book out about Brazil’s most beautiful beaches and Penha is listed.
    The non profit group Pro-Mar on the island is working to get Penha a bandeira azul or blue flag designation.
    O condominio da Penha has some of the nicest houses on the island. Prices can go well above a million reais for the beach front homes. Most of the larger homes were built thirty years ago or earlier. Way before the favelas of the island existed. Back in the early days building material came to the island by boat. There was no bridge south to Santo Antonio de Jesus.
    Penha is no slum, not even close to Baiaco, or the invasion behind the Bom Preco.
    It appears you don’t know much about the island of Itaparica if you cite the opinion of favela children and others favela people about Penha.
    Looks like you make a bee line from your favela to the lancha on your way to teach English to the wealthy in Salvador and haven’t explored the island. If you knew Penha you wouldn’t post such unbelievable lies about it.
    “No wonder bad things happen if people build a casarao there.”
    You are now becoming a true troll. If one lives is a nice house “no wonder bad things happen.” One of the least intelligent posts you have made.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-23 19:29:29

  • #124890

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Just reporting what was said…. I’ve been reading all the crap you post to them every day, translating when necessary for those who can’t read English yet, and they asked several times “Where on the island does this a**hole actually live?”, so when you posted, I translated, and that was the response, from some ordinary folks on the island, not all of whom are kids. Bahiana772009-07-23 19:58:14

  • #124891

    acampos
    Member

    Just another day in Bahia.

    Reginaldo Pereira – Agência A Tarde Moradores%20protestam%20e%20interditam%20pista%20onde%20acidente%20com%20ônibus%20matou%20oito%20%28Reginaldo%20Pereira%20-%20Agência%20A%20Tarde%29

    Moradores protestam e interditam pista onde acidente com ônibus matou oito

    Reginaldo Pereira / Agência A TARDE

    Moradores%20queimaram%20pneus%20para%20impedir%20trânsito

    Moradores queimaram pneus para impedir trânsito

  • #124892

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Just reporting what was said….

    I’ve been reading all the crap you post to them every day, translating when necessary for those who can’t read English yet, and they asked several times “Where on the island does this a**hole actually live?”, so when you posted, I translated, and that was the response, from some ordinary folks on the island, not all of whom are kids.

    [/QUOTE]
    So you admit you have never been to Penha?
    Now you change the story to reading all posts instead of the latest.
    Now they are not reading as you claimed but you are translating.
    You, Baihiana 77 are full of Baloney!
    You don’t understand that the thread is vent your frustrations and the topic is violence in Salvador. Started with a comment about how the police in Salvador have killed 130 plus people so far this year and are on track to kill 40 this month. Just for citing the facts about what is going on you drop to name calling.
    “No wonder bad things happen if people build a casarao there.”
    Youare now becoming a true troll. If one lives in a nice house “no wonderbad things happen.” One of the least intelligent posts you have made.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-23 20:30:57

  • #124899

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=frank4000][QUOTE=Bahiana77]Just reporting what was said….

    I’ve been reading all the crap you post to them every day, translating when necessary for those who can’t read English yet, and they asked several times “Where on the island does this a**hole actually live?”, so when you posted, I translated, and that was the response, from some ordinary folks on the island, not all of whom are kids.

    [/QUOTE]

    no cussing please

    [/QUOTE]
    I agree. Bahiana 77 is proud of living in a favela where “everybody watches out for one another” and lives there because “that is what she can afford.”
    With that in mind her passive aggressive statement about “if you live in a casarao, bad things will happen” becomes easy to understand.
    She is also unable to take responsibility for her statements quoting children of fisherman and others for her outrageous lies about Penha.
    Originally posted by Bahiana77

    Myneighbors (the fishermen’s kids and other neighbors of limitedmeans)read this last post and the first response is that Penha is aslum, one of the poorest on the island, o mais perigoso, and no wonderthings happen, if people build a casarao near there.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-23 21:33:36

  • #124908

    edit_21
    Member

    Oh BobbyIt you do like putting labels on people but sadly at the same time you get your own lable……Pathetically Sad Git!! Get a life please.

  • #124914

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=KiteFlyer]Oh BobbyIt you do like putting labels on people but sadly at the same time you get your own lable……Pathetically Sad Git!!

    Get a life please.[/QUOTE]
    No label at all. She is proud of living in a favela. She also quotes the opinion of children of fisherman about Penha which are way off target outrageous lies.
    That explains everything about Bahiana 77.
    So what is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-23 22:58:08

  • #124918

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter]I’m not saying that Salvador is my first choice of location in Brazil, but Salvador is where fate led me. You had a bad experience there, so your view has understandably been tainted. Rio is a beautiful city but it is undermined by drugs and violence, so – although I would live there for the view, I wouldn’t live there because of the violence (I saw my first and only- so far – assault there.) I wouldn’t want to live in Sao Paulo for the same reasons (although the Sao Paulo I saw in a 3 day visit was an ugly city so I wouldn’t want to live there anyway). But these decisions are based upon visits… not living there. Much as your impression of Salvador. [/QUOTE] Salvador is in another laegue than Rio for violence and danger to tourists. Pelourinho is simply not safe without enormous amounts of police and outside of it is an urban jungle of the most dangerous kind. Eyes follow you everywhere, it’s like being a wilderbeast surrounded by lions, waiting for their moment. I spoke about my feelings to locals, other tourists and the owners of the shops in the town – without exception they told me I had hit the nail on the head, and every single one of them warned me in no uncertain terms about the extreme caution I should take, only go around in groups and even then, never after dark outside Pelourinho, which was then heavily policed. In Rio I and most others feel comfortable in Ipanema or Copacobana even at night.

  • #124941

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Apples and oranges, Juninho. If you compare Pelourinho to Lapa or Santa Teresa, you might have a more accurate comparison, and Ipanema to maybe Pituba. People from Sao Paulo warn others about the horrible dangers of Rio, too, and folks from the smaller cities and countryside warn about both Rio and S.P. , so that proves nothing more than that people listen to rumors and that people try to be (over)protective of those they encounter. I had a guy ( a vendor who knows some of my friends) warn me recently about wandering around in Barra with my camera. Now I’ve been walking around in Barra for 12+ years with my camera with no problem. So I could let that warning scare me into not carrying the camera or not walking around the neighbrhood, or I could go on what I know from experience. (And my intuition tells me that it might be this very guy who sets me up. so I will be careful of HIM and not necessarily the neighborhood.) And ******* BI, I stand by what I and the neighbors said, before you twisted it up to suit your own purposes. I simply think you’ve ticked off your empregadas with the pleaseant personality you’ve shown here, to the point that they set you up, and now you have to turn everyone against Salvador in an attempt to make them as miserable as you are. Even teenagers and simple folk can see what you are.

  • #124957

    mastercoop
    Member

    I think the Pelourinho -Cpoacobana/Ipanema comparison is more valid than santa Teresa, or at least was when I was last in Salvador, and my feelings concern that time (1998). Both places are (or were in Pelourinho in ’98) the most popular places for tourists to stay, (although I recognize that Santa Tereza is more architecturally and culturally similar to Pelourinho). I also take your point about the danger of Rio. Yes it’s dangerous, but Salvador is really danger in another league from Rio as far as tourists go. As for your wanderings etc, you seem a very cynical person if I might say so. Have you considered that he might be offering helpful advice? Are you referring to Barra de Tijuca in Rio or a Barra in Salvador?

  • #124960

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Barra in Salvador. I make the comparison of Pelourinho to Lapa or Santa Teresa because they are all (slowly) gentrifying older poor neighborhoods. Just because the government in Salvador forcibly removed (poor, unsightly?) people from several square blocks of a (gee can I say) slum to make room for tourist infrastructure does not make it an upper class neighborhood like Ipanema (or or even working class like Copacabana). It is a poor neighborhood with a few streets that cater heavily to tourists. Many people who have not understood this have empty pousadas because they are in fringe areas of the neighborhood that do not yet have the “dressed up” look that appeals to tourists (witness Praia do Forte), especially those put off by the unfamiliar. Same in Santa Teresa with the start of a few pousadas there. And in Lapa, just because there are some popular music clubs that attract tourists does not change the whole neighborhood. Scaring people off from visiting Salvador cannot be construed as helpful in any way, shape or form. Neither the locals who rely on tourism to feed their families, as well as the tourists who lose out on a uniquely wonderful experience, are helped by this constant harping on only the negative aspects of one of the most interesting and lively cities I’ve been to in my world journeys. Some visitors just “get” Salvador and are captivated, and some people simply don’t (and I think racism accounts for some of this, streets full of black folk intimidate more people than willl admit to it), never will and don’t understand what they’re missing. As for BS…whooops BI….well…if you want to think he has your best interests at heart with his obsession…….Wacko

  • #124964

    mastercoop
    Member

    I have recommended countless people visit Brazil despite the crime, however in the case of Salvador I cannot in all conscience do this, because the risk of violent crime is just too high. the centre of the tourist trade in Rio is the zona sul, and these days most tourists don’t go to the old part of Rio, and whilst some do, it’s a small minority (of the admittedly huge numbers who visit Rio). But Pelourinho IS the centre of Salvador’s tourist trade, and neither it, nor the city is safe in any sense of the word for tourists – those lacking your personal connections and intimate knowledge of the city are in danger as ‘innocents abroad’ and it’s only fair INHO to let them know. I view this as a terrible shame.

  • #124965

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77] Scaring people off from visiting Salvador cannot be construed as helpful in any way, shape or form. Neither the locals who rely on tourism to feed their families, as well as the tourists who lose out on a uniquely wonderful experience, are helped by this constant harping on only the negative aspects of one of the most interesting and lively cities I’ve been to in my world journeys. I totally agree with you Bahiana77 Thumbs%20UpSome visitors just “get” Salvador and are captivated, and some people simply don’t (and I think racism accounts for some of this, streets full of black folk intimidate more people than willl admit to it), never will and don’t understand what they’re missing. I must have just “got” Salvador. I’m pretty happy with it here (despite BobIt’s negativity). Of course I’d rather it were as safe as my hometown in the UK – minha namorada and I walked a kilometre home from a party at midnight in Maidenhead (SE England) two weeks ago… something we wouldn’t dream of doing in Brazil – but I appreciate that I’m living in a very different country. Big%20smilestreets full of black folk intimidate more people than willl admit to it), They don’t scare me… I’ve slept in the same room – nay, the same bed – as one of those “black folk” for the last year and a half, and I’m still alive to tell the tale! LOL[/QUOTE] globetrotter2009-07-24 13:14:15

  • #124967

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Barra in Salvador.

    Scaring people off from visiting Salvador cannot be construed as helpful in any way, shape or form. Neither the locals who rely on tourism to feed their families, as well as the tourists who lose out on a uniquely wonderful experience, are helped by this constant harping on only the negative aspects of one of the most interesting and lively cities I’ve been to in my world journeys.

    Some visitors just “get” Salvador and are captivated, and some people simply don’t (and I think racism accounts for some of this, streets full of black folk intimidate more people than willl admit to it), never will and don’t understand what they’re missing.
    As for BS…whooops BI….well…if you want to think he has your best interests at heart with his obsession…….Wacko

    [/QUOTE]
    With all due respect Baihiana, the general public deserve to know what is going on in Salvador and Itaparica. It is public knowledge right out of “O Journaal da Tarde.” You are such a knit picker. I have publicly stated that Salvador is not a warzone, about a million people come to enjoy Carnaval and most return home after a week of good fun unscathed. Fifa is sending another hundred tousand people for the World Cup.
    I have also never been attacked in over twenty two years of travel to Brazil. Just one incident with a wall and window jumper; a young kid who is not from my neighborhood. So I repeat. Salvador is not a warzone.
    I can say though that things are getting tougher. 130 people killed by the cops is Salvador so far this year is a big number. Just since the start of this thread quite a few horrific incidents on our beautiful verdant island.
    It certainly shows you don’t get around the island if you had to ask the fisherman’s kids and others to post a blatent lie about Penha.
    Rest assured I am not scaring away any visitors. Everything posted is pretty much public knowledge.

  • #124970

    acampos
    Member
    Some recent comments from the locals about Pelourinho
    astrado Pelos Políticos (22/07/2009 – 17:15)

    Evitoo máximo de passar por lá e quando passo fico decepcionado com assujeiras, mendingos, ambulantes, lanceiros e falta de mais policiaisnas esquinas, pois os locais são esquisitos demais, fora a ruaprincipal.

    Liliana (22/07/2009 – 13:08)

    Comotodos os bahianos, sinto repúdia e revolta com o descaso dasautoridades, secretaria de segurança. O Pelourinho e a cidade em geralestão abandonados. Pobres de nós que dependemos do turismo!! mostrandouma cidade suja, descuidada, mal iluminada e insegura. De quem é aresponsabilidade? de todos nós que devemos cobrar uma ação do governo eprefeitura já.

    Guedes (21/07/2009 – 13:46)

    Infelizmentequeremos literalmente jogar p/debaixo do tapete nossa sujeira social! èvamos expulsar os miseráveis pedintes e marginais daquele localpoético! e nos iludir com fábulas e ilusões. Aquilo alí é o retrato dapolítica social praticada na bahia, e em salvador durante anos…Construam alí centros de recuperação, e profissionalização, para qpossam ganhar seu pão, O Q ESTA SOBRANDO P/ESTES MISERÁVEIS? NADA! EAINDA QUEREMOS ANIQUILÁ-LOS… EDUCAÇÃO É A SOLUÇÃO!

    Evandro Sm (21/07/2009 – 13:44)

    euacho que esta abomdonado etrgue as baratas e a os ratos no tempo dovelho acm era diferente a segurança era mais confiavel sabiamos quetiamos segurançaa

    Cláudio Lima (21/07/2009 – 13:37)

    Aliásnão é querer discriminar, mas todo o caos de miséria que vive hojenossa cidade, se deve e muito a essa invasão de mendigos e pedintes deoutras cidades e estados. A prefeitura precisa cadastrar toda essagente, e se possivel, mandá-las de volta às suas cidades de origem.

    Cláudio Lima (21/07/2009 – 13:29)

    Nãosó o Centro Histórico, todavia grande parte da nossa cidade, estáabandonada e entregue às baratas. Está faltando em Salvador um prefeitocom peito e coragem de chamar pra si a responsabilidade de nos tirardessa situação vexatória.

    Juliana Almeida (21/07/2009 – 12:23)

    “Pelourinho não é mais aquele.. olha a CARA dele..” Gente, o que podemosver de fato são ‘ CARAS ‘ novas dominando o centro histórico desalvador. Traficante, Ladrão, Prostitutas, Meninos de todas as idadesabandonados aprendendo e fazendo o que não presta. Sem nenhumaorientação.Vamos arregaçar as mangas prefeito. Vamos mudar esse quadro. Qual é ademora ?

    Luma (21/07/2009 – 11:17)

    GenteSalvador ta um lixo só, tenho vergonha de receber amigos que dizem”Salvador deve ser linda” é já foi um dia pq agora só fede a mijo eindigentes que ficam pedindo e roubando, mais o bahiano tem queaprender a ter educação, fica mijando e fazendo outras coisas na rua,de que adianta arrumar a casa se o próprio povo detona seu patrimônio,se queremos receber turistas e sermos cartão postal devemos primeiroaprender a conversar nossa cidade, o povo merece esse governandor, pq oelegeu..

    Raimundo Passos (21/07/2009 – 11:03)

    Asituação atual é o reflexo da falta de ingerência do Governo ePrefeitura. Se os órgãos, departamentos, secretarias e coordenações nãoestão funcionando, isso significa que existe uma orientação doExcelentíssimo governador ou prefeito, caso contrário, é omissão, eomissão significa ingerência, incompetência ou coisa que o valha.

    Pedro Cruz (21/07/2009 – 10:52)

    euma vergonha para a bahia. parece a cracolandia de são paulo.o poderpublico tem que tomar urgengte providencia. não esquecendo que é omaior ponto turistico de salvador

    Maria (21/07/2009 – 10:48)

    Fiqueimuito triste quando vi o Pelourinho, depois de 8 anos fora do Brasil,quando voltei vi um Pelourinho abandonado, um Mosteiro de Sao Franciscodepredado e pior ainda nenhuma proteção a este patrimonio historico dahumnidade se quer ao turista. Salvaodr é uma das cidades mais lindas domundo e com uma riqueza histórica incomparável é muito triste ver tudoisso se acabar.

    Edenilza Cirino (21/07/2009 – 09:57)

    Évergonhosa a situação do nosso Centro Histórico! Lamentável! Nosenvergonha como cidadãos baianos, donos de uma história tão rica!OCentro Histórico , assim como toda a cidade de Salvador, é um cartãopostal que não queremos mostrar, pois suja nossa imagem, queima nossofilme!

    Mai (21/07/2009 – 09:53)

    Quemnão foi ao São João do Pelô? Como culpar nossos governantes se nósmesmos permitimos tamanha degradação do Patrimônio Histórico daHumanidade? Que o Pelourinho está abandonado todo mundo percebe só emvisitá-lo. Nós, que estamos comentando este tópico não somos maioriainfelizmente. A população de traficantes, menores abandonados emiseráveis são os que povoam a nossa cidade e votam nestesincompetentes. Neste caso, precisamos sim, cuidar mais daqueles irmãosque precisam de nós para pensar

    Adilton (21/07/2009 – 09:35)

    Apesarde morar em São Paulo até hoje voto em Salvador, fico triste com atualgoverno do PT, a situação do Pelourinho é vergonhosa, a orla estáabandonada é muito triste visitar a minha terra natal e verificar esteabandono em que ela se encontra.

    Fkmiller (21/07/2009 – 09:20)

    lamentávelesta situação do centro historico de salvadorque já passou por uma recuperaçãomais o problema não é só a parte estética e sim, colocar policiais 24horas nas ruas do centro dando uma proteção maior a população junto comos turistase educar sempre os comerciantes que são mal preparados para oatendimento com a população local e sim se preocupando em atender bemsó o turista um absurdo

    Wanilda (21/07/2009 – 09:13)

    Salvadoresta totalmente abandonada, a Orla mas parece uma favela, o Pelourinhoum degradação total, a Barra é um perigo com tantos assaltos assim comoos demais bairros. Com tudo isso sabemos que o turista de hoje nãovoltará e ainda levará uma pessima imagem da cidade.Parabéns senhor prefeito e senhor governador, se querem acabar com aBahia estão no caminho certo.

    Fabíola (21/07/2009 – 09:01)

    Achouma vergonha e descaso por parte das autoridades.Um patrimôniohistórico deve ser tratado com respeito. O mundo todo vem aqui para vero Pelourinho e quando chega encontra lixo, prostituição,violência…uma total degradação. SALVEM O PELOURINHO!!!!

    Atevaldo (21/07/2009 – 08:59)

    Èdasagradante a atual situação a qual o pelô se encontra. Hoje eu nãotenho mais vontade de frequentar o pelo devido esta situação.

    Paulo Eduardo Nogueira (21/07/2009 – 08:02)

    Eujá tenho dito diversas vezes que negocio e politicos não se misturam,pois uns fazem outros não gostam e não dão a minima, e quem sempre ficano prejuiso quem é? o pobre coitado que tira leite de pedra para pagaros impostos.

    Gagau Farias (21/07/2009 – 06:43)

    Penaporque desmerece o Brasil e nao so a Bahia. Deveria ser revisto o atualmodelo de contrato da companhia de limpeza das ruas. Infelizmente, aeducacao deixa muito a desejar, porque a todo instante se ve pessoasjogando lixo em qualquer lugar.

    Jhon (21/07/2009 – 03:17)

    Realmentea situação de 2 anos pra cá está cada vez mais degradante noPelourinho! Até os teatros estão fechados por falta de financiamento dacapenga Secretaria de Cultura! Vale lembrar também que a Avenida Sete ea Carlos Gomes também fazem parte do Centro e estão totalmenteabandonadas!Já embalou… cadê o banho de luz pra revitalizar o centro prefeito?rai ai… só se engana quem quer!

    Acbreus (21/07/2009 – 00:06)

    O nome da fera era ACM e fim de papo !!! Queria ver se ele estivesse governando se estaria asim…

    João Callet (20/07/2009 – 22:30)

    Centro Pós Histórico, histérico, teoricamente Patrimônio da Humanidade, Centro da decadência de uma cidade sem decência política, Centro da desordem social e cultural, da prostituição e da desconsciência miscigenada,Centro ótico do trafico trágico, da fétida desigualdade,Centro da loucura urbana, desumana, retrato da baianidadeliberta, libertina, da insubmissa ancestralidade.

    Leonardo (20/07/2009 – 21:34)

    Sepossuem dúvidas em relação ao que acontece no Pelô… vão lá!!!!Infelizmente esta propaganda é pessima para o lugar, entretantoconstata-se dentre outras coisas, que a diminuição consideravel docontigente de policiais e o esvazeamento das ações públicas,infelizmente, esta sucateando nosso patrimônio. Tchau Wagner!!! Nempara síndico eu voto outra vez em você!!!!

    Renildo Paulo (20/07/2009 – 21:18)

    O Pelourinho hoje é uma comunidade de sacizeiros (usuários de craque) e pedintes !!!! Mudem esse quandro !!! O mundo pede!!!!

    Silvia Kerner (20/07/2009 – 19:45)

    Éuma vergonha imensa e de uma tristeza profunda ver a cada dia nossoCentro Histórico ser degradado pelos vândalos e drogrados, e abandonadopelo poder público. Espero, sinceramente, que essa pesquisa faça comque as autoridades e órgãos competentes saiam da inércia, do marasmo eajudem o Pelourinho a ser o que era antes: O POINT encantador. Nãoespantem nossos turistas que tanto prestigiam nossa Cidade!

    Anilda (20/07/2009 – 19:04)

    Acidade está um caos. Falta segurança, saúde, tudo. Também com essegoverno incompetente. Espero que nós baianos tenhamos aprendido alição: carioca jamais.

    Roosevelt (20/07/2009 – 18:00)

    Conclusão:É latente a incompetência do poder público no trato de questões tãosimples e onde já havia a estrutura, a pergunta é:PORQUE O POVO NÃO TOMA UMA ATITUDE E DEPÔE ESSES GOVERNANTES?

    Tatiana Silva (20/07/2009 – 17:24)

    Bom, a atual a situação é bastante degradante.Por ser uma centro de visitação e campo turistico em Salvador.Precisa de atenção do poder Político e conciência da população para manter o local.Espero que com essa pesquisa ajude no desenvolvimento e permanência do Centro Histórico de Salvador.

    Nilton Cairo (20/07/2009 – 16:17)

    Moroem um bairro periférico da cidade e também circulo em outros com amesma realidade social, trabalho no Centro Histórico e em nehum lugarpor onde passo vejo tanta desigualdade, miséria, abandono, tráfico,prostituição, aliciamento de menores, de uma forma tão escancarada comoa que vejo no Pelourinho todos dias.

    Amach – Ass. De Moradores E Amigos Do Centro Historico De Salvador (20/07/2009 – 15:53)

    AAssociação de Moradores e Amigos do Centro Historico de Salvador, é umaentidade organizada que nasceu para denunciar a expulsão das familiasmoradoras do centro historico, precisamente na 7 etapa de revitalizaçãoque compreende as ruas 28 de setembro, são francisco, guedes de brito,03 de maio, 12 de novembro, bispo, largo da ajuda…..conquistamos odireito de morar no centro historico, mais a atual gestão não reconheceisso, as obras de habitação estão abandonadas~e atrasadas, familias

    Marcia Gonzalez (20/07/2009 – 15:47)

    Nadajustifica tratar um patrimônio da humanidade com o descaso com que vemsendo tratado o Pelourinho. É triste ver um espaço tão bonitototalmente entregue à marginalidade e quem perde com isso é o cidadãosoteropolitano, que antes podia contar com um excelente espaço de lazere cultura. Perde também o turismo, haja vista que a Bahia está perdendoespaço para outras capitais do nordeste, que buscam preservar melhorseus atrativos turísticos.

    Empresário Do Pelourinho (20/07/2009 – 14:48)

    O atual estado de abandono do Centro Histórico de Salvador (patrimônio da humanidade) é um retrato fiel daqualidade e competência de nossos governantes.

    Paulo Cezar Menezes (20/07/2009 – 14:11)

    Eu acho uma fedentina só, só fede a fezes e urina.

    Javier (20/07/2009 – 14:11)

    triste

    Cristina Cruz (20/07/2009 – 12:43)

    UMA VERGONHA!!! verdadeira CRACOLANDIA…

    Daniela (20/07/2009 – 10:33)

    Cada povo tem o governo que elege! E merece!

    Xico Lino Silva (20/07/2009 – 09:07)

    SalvadorCidadania já apresenta resultados positivosSe for verdade, e não for como os outros projetos que não deram emnada, já vai melhorar muito para todos aqueles que visitam, trabalham emoram no Centro Histórico de Salvador !

    Xico Lino Silva (20/07/2009 – 09:04)

    Maisde 700 pessoas abordadas em apenas um mês. Esse é o resultado inicialdos trabalhos que estão sendo desenvolvidos pelo Salvador Cidadania‚Äô,um projeto implementado pela Secretaria Municipal do Trabalho,Assistência Social e Direitos do Cidadão (Setad), em parceria com oMinistério Público estadual e a Fundação José Silveira, com o objetivode executar ações de proteção de média e alta complexidade noatendimento às pessoas que vivem nas ruas de Salvador, retirando-asdessa situação e lhes oferecendo a assistência social necessária.Iniciado em 1¬∫ de junho último, o programa cadastrou nesse primeiro mês337 pessoas, a maioria do Centro Histórico, que, por sugestão doprocurador-geral de Justiça Lidivaldo Britto, recebeu atenção especial.Os resultados, segundo o secretário do Trabalho Antônio Brito,surpreendem, pois estão acima do esperado. Ele afirmou durante amanhã de hoje (15), na sede do MP que, como previsto, houve um trabalhodenso de mobilização e apresentação do programa que, por orientação doprocurador-geral de Justiça, foi realizado com a participação depromotores de Justiça e resultou em diversas ações positivas.

    Andrea (20/07/2009 – 08:44)

    Oque mais me entristece é ver que o empresariado baiano que foibeneficiado com concessões dúvidosas e isenções de impostos, durantemais de uma década, para instalar seus restaurantes e bares noPelourinho agora abandone o local sem tentar fazer qualquer esforçopara atrair ao público. Enquanto era o governo que promovia shows egastava uma fortuna com isso tudo era festa. A partir do momento em queo governo os deixou caminhar com as próprias pernas, eles não fizeramnada, apenas fecharam.

    Ricardo (20/07/2009 – 00:15)

    SemComentarios, em qualquer parte civilizado deste planeta, o “cartao devisita” de uma cidade e tratado com muito mais respeito e eficienciaadministrativa,seja pelo turismo,seja pelos moradores…

    Carlos Scorpiao (19/07/2009 – 23:29)

    Éisso mesmo,quando digo q cidade deve ser limpa para quem paga paramorar nela,as vezes caro demais,q discutem o fictício é q não sei qtipo de violência é presente no Pelô para dizerem q lá é violento!Nemse iguala ao q acontece na maioria dos bairros!Sujeira?No Largo deSantana lixo faz morada!Onde não tem um monte de lixo espalhado?Temmuita gente q não vai lá e comenta!Ando dioturnamente lá por conta daatividade e vejo como uma vitrine da cidade!Onde se joga lixo,nasencostas,ônibus…

    Livia (19/07/2009 – 23:20)

    Salvadorestá abandonada… a Bahia está abandonada. Terra de ninguém…entregue à bandidagem!!!Leis ?? Polícia ??? Justiça ???? Certamente viraram piada nos gabinetese covis… ouso até dizer que ambos conceitos se confundam…Meu voto ? Sempre… consciente e crítico !!!

    Leo (19/07/2009 – 21:53)

    Porser um patrimônio histórico e cultural tombado pela UNESCO, o centrohistórico de Salvador deveria ser preservado como um tesouro. OPelourinho foi um lugar incialmente de dor e sofrimento, mas durante otempo se transformou em um lugar de beleza q deve ser estimado,protegido e preservado, mas infelizmente os nossos políticos corruptosnão teem cultura suficiente para enchergar a realidade da nossacultura. Ainda tenho esperança de que a nossa comunidade entenda osignificado deste tesouro.

    Jay (19/07/2009 – 21:11)

    Bonitoso por fora .. pq nas intranhas foco de trafico de drogas , furtos eprostituição .. so se ve policiamento quando a festas para o marketingda cidade.

    Georges B. (19/07/2009 – 20:48)

    Acidade de Salvador está abandonada, “como um todo” como gostam de dizeresses esquedistas de 5¬™! O descaso com a patrimônio arquiteonico, comos museus só ilustram todo o resto. Há uma incapacidade fundamentalnesses administradores publicos que a Bahia elegeu. Eles sãoinsensíveis a qualquer coisa que não seja os seus privilégios, a suasvidinhas e a eternização no poder. O Pelourinho, como o resto de todo ocentro – Carlos Gomes, Nazareth, Piedade – virou lixo. Meu voto? Nuncamais!

    Camila (19/07/2009 – 20:16)

    Acho um absurdo! O Pelourinho é o simbolo de Salvador. É nossa historia morrendo a cada dia.

    Verbena Araújo (19/07/2009 – 19:00)

    Nãoentendo porque chovem críticas ao Centro Histórico. Pela primeira vez ogoverno está desenvolvendo ações sustentáveis e com a participação dacomunidade. As ruas estão iluminadas, programação cultural intensa,estacionamento pra dar e vender. Só sei que foi adotado umdiscursozinho que o pelô está abandonado e é reproduzido por quem nãotem conhecimento de causa. Problemas?todo lugar tem.Falam de cuidar dopatrimonio, mas fazem xixi nas ruas e jogam lixo no chão, assim como éque fica limpo?

    Antonio (19/07/2009 – 18:22)

    Aespectativa da população,antes das últimas eleições, era a de que acidade de Salvador seria mais limpa, mais segura, os monumentoshistóricos mais preservados, a saúde tratada com esmero e o ensinopúblico aprimorado. Lula deve cuspir de nojo se vir a realidade dacidade. Tem muita gente com máscara de petista colaborando para isso!

    Achel Tinoco (19/07/2009 – 18:05)

    Refletebem a situação de toda a Bahia e como age este governo incompetente ehipocrita do PT. Mas às vesperas da eleição, eles vão prometer o céu.

    Ana (19/07/2009 – 17:02)

    Tentarachar um culpado para atual situaçao do Centro Historico d SSA não vairesolver a situçao,ja que sabemos que a responsabilidade é dosgovernantes,sim,por que quando ACM estava vivo as coisas funcionavammelhor?porque ele realmente amava a Bahia e tinha como lema fazer delao cartão de visitas do nordeste,mas esse atual governador e prefeitotem contribuido apenas para afundar o que foi conquistado nos governospassados,vamos esperar o que desses goverantes?degradada a Bahia jaesta.

    Antonio Cássio (19/07/2009 – 14:04)

    Ocentro histórico é uma coisa linda que deveria estar sendo preservada elivre da degradação que se encontra. Hoje é deprimente. Aliás o quieestão fazendo com a cidade de Salvador é lamentável. Toda estapermissividade com botecos e bares e seus pagodões, uma zoeira infernale a insegurança aprisiona e afasta as pessoas de bem das ruas dacidade. Triste Bahia.

    Lerroy Tomaz (19/07/2009 – 12:03)

    OCentro Histórico de Salvador é uma vergonha pra todo o estado da Bahia,uma vez que se trata de sua capital. Enquanto milhões são desviados, ahistória do nosso povo está se perdendo junto com os casarões, asigrejas e tudo mais. Sem falar na orla com seus pés de coco que maisparecem os cabelos de Johnny Depp em “Edward, mãos de tesoura”. É,alguém tem que mudar essa situação, eu vou me candidatar (tenho 14anos), gravem meu nome, e no futuro VOTEM EM MIM. O futuro está nasmãos da juventude!

    Toodyreis (19/07/2009 – 11:20)

    edeprimente ir ao centro de salvador com um imperio arquitetonicofabuloso e totalmente depredado tambem com um governo desse queria oque? na epoca de ACM nao era la essas coisas mas nao esse estado deabandono amo essa cidade estou morando em florianopolis e fico tristequendo vejo o povo falando mal da cidade que esta suja cheia demendingos e totalmente abandonada. vamos se mobilizar e restaurar essacidade que e uma das mais bonitas desse brasil.

    Ana Lúcia (19/07/2009 – 11:09)

    nossaaa….achoque esse Marcelo está dormindo e sonhando…kkkkkk…Sou recem moradorade Salvador, por ter me apaixonado pela cidade, mas convenhamos,sujeira, droga e descaso, está em todo lugar. E não adianta culpar só ogoverno. o povo precisa valorizar sua cidade, começando por não deixarsujeira nas praias e muito menos xixi pelos muros…e olha que souapaixonada pelo alto astral dessa terra, vamos fazer cada um a suaparte. PAREM DE JOGAR LIXO NAS RUAS !!!

    Tec.Veron (19/07/2009 – 10:59)

    infelizmentenão é só o centro histórico, a cidade do salvador está um lixo porcompleto, totalmente entregue aos ratos, ladrões e o cracker.

    Antonio Mendes (19/07/2009 – 09:35)

    Sujo e violento, deveria demolir e construir um SHOPINNG.

    João Jardim (19/07/2009 – 08:52)

    Péssimaem todos os aspectos.Enquanto não investirmos na educação do nosso povo, jamais teremos umacidade digna de se viver.Sinto vergonha quando alguém visita nossa cidade, pois só hásujeira,abandono e a crescente violência, afinal gastamos tanto comfesta.

  • #124971

    acampos
    Member

    Just another day in Salvador. Twenty five busses with tires slashed creating one hell of a traffic jam. Just a labor dispute.

    24/07/2009 às 00:01

    – ATUALIZADAàs 01:11COMENTÁRIOS (117)

    Motoristas paralisam a cidade com ação violenta

    Amélia Vieira* l A TARDE

    Margarida Neide/Agência ATARDE

    Manifestantes%20furaram%20pneus%20de%2025%20ônibus%20e%20pararam%20trânsito%20por%20três%20horas

    Manifestantes furaram pneus de 25 ônibus e pararam trânsito por três horas

    Uma disputa interna pela direção do Sindicato dos Rodoviáriosextrapolou os limites da entidade e, na tarde de quinta-feira, 23, setransformou num protesto na Rótula do Abacaxi que provocou cerca de 20quilômetros de engarrafamentos, segundo cálculo de um agente detrânsito da Transalvador.

    Vinte e cinco ônibus tiveram os pneusfurados, bloqueando a passagem de veículos por cerca de três horas ‚Äì das 16 às 19 horas.

    Os efeitos foram sentidos na região do Iguatemi, Paralela, SetePortas (onde houve desvio do fluxo para o Bonocô) e no Bonocô. Com otrânsito parado, a maioria das pessoas que estava nos ônibus optarampor concluir seu trajeto a pé, ou tentar pegar nova condução em outrolugar. Para quem estava de carro, a solução foi ter paciência.

    As divergências entre os interessados em encabeçar o sindicato seacirraram com a antecipação da data das eleições. Inicialmenteprevistas para o mês de outubro, foram remarcadas para os próximosdias 28, 29, 30 e 31 de julho. O edital oficializando a mudança saiu noDiário Oficial do Estado da Bahia dos dias 20 e 21 de junho ‚Äì final desemana que antecedeu ao São João.

    É mais um golpe do grupo que lidera o sindicato há 20 anos. Elesesconderam o edital e só colocaram no mural depois do prazo vencidopara a inscrição de outras chapas, acusa Roberto Carlos Costa Silva,líder do movimento.

    Segundo ele, em uma assembleia realizada às 16 horas de quinta, acategoria votou pelo protesto. A adesão foi total. Queremos umaeleição limpa, justa e transparente, prega Roberto Carlos.

    Os opositores chegaram a ingressar com uma ação contra o Sindicato dosTrabalhadores em Transportes Rodoviários do Estado da Bahia pedindo asuspensão das eleições. A liminar, contudo, foi indeferida pelo juizAndré Luiz Amaral Amorim, da 3¬™ Vara do Trabalho de Salvador.

    Em visita a A TARDE, antes da manifestação, o presidente doSindicato dos Rodoviários, Manoel Machado, afirmou que não haviamovimento de paralisação e que a motivação era dos membros que nãoconseguiram lançar chapa para concorrerà eleição. a noite, A TARDE voltou a procurar Machado para comentar a mobilização, porém seu celular estava na caixa.

    Pneus vazios‚Äì Uma estratégia utilizada na paralisaçãode quinta chamou a atenção do agente de trânsito da Transalvador,Gilson Carvalho. Como forma de manter o tráfego parado, mesmo que osmanifestantes fossem retirados pela polícia ‚Äì o que não aconteceu ‚Äì ospneus dos ônibus foram esvaziados. Segundo o agente, pelo menos 25coletivos tiveram os pneus arriados. Os veículos eram os que estavam nafrente das três faixas dos cinco cruzamentos da Rótula do Abacaxi.

    Com isso, mesmo após os manifestantes acabarem o protesto e deixaremo lugar, o trânsito demorou a se normalizar, pois as empresas de ônibustiveram dificuldade de fazer com que os carros de manutenção chegassematé a Rótula do Abacaxi. O agente Gilson conta que precisou trazer umcarro-guincho com compressor, pela contramão na Avenida Bonocô, paraencher os pneus.

    Questionado sobre esta estratégia, Roberto Carlos nega que osmanifestantes tenham sido os responsáveis. Isso é coisa de genteinfiltrada para colocar a sociedade e a mídia contra a gente, afirma.

    Ele não descarta a possibilidade de haver nova mobilização nestasexta, 24. O comando do movimento se reunirá durante a manhã. a tarde,haverá uma assembleia para decidir se terá protesto.
    Direitos‚Äì Segundo a promotora do Ministério PúblicoEstadual (MPE) Rita Tourinho, a Constituição Federal assegura o direitoà livre manifestação desde que não cause prejuízos a terceiros.”Legalmente, um protesto não pode violar o direito alheio”, afirma.Segundo ela, nos casos em que isso ocorre, a Polícia Militar tem poderpara dissolver o ato imediatamente.

    A promotora esclarece que o MP não faz um controle específico desituações como essa. Segundo ela, o cidadão prejudicado teria,inclusive, dificuldade em conseguir resultados práticos, caso entrassecom denúncia no órgão. “Não é correto atrapalhar o andamento normal dacidade. É preciso manter a ordem pública, e isso é questão de atividadedo poder de polícia”, complementa.

  • #124972

    jonathand
    Member

    The Anti-Tamashin strikes again! LOL

  • #124978

    my 2 cents on Salvador. I was there in April and I spent only 3 days in total as I spent most of my 2 weeks in Morro de Sao Paulo. I was there with my Brazilian friend who now lives in Uk and he is from Porto Alegre. our hotel was in zona Barra, my friend was very tense and always remind me “not to go there, come back, do not enter etc…” i felt quite safe, there were a lot of joggers, male and females on their own, few policemen around and they seemed quite approachable and friendly, youngsters playing football on the beach till late. We used taxis and buses and it was ok.Quite different atmosphere at Pelourinho, even if there were quite few policeman around we didn’t feel safe at all, lots of dodgy guys around, always trying to get something from you. I guess if you go there and buy some drugs you are welcome and they do not bother you any more. Also it was so depressing the view of all the kids begging. We bought some bottles of milk for them and left after a short while as I lost my cool with some of the self proclamed “capo de favela”. I think that it would help tourists and locals alike if there was a sort of tax to visit the area to be used to check kids go to school, have a place to sleep etc..Morro was very nice it felt safe,friendly people,quite cheap.We were aware not to go in a couple of places as the locals said they were run from people not resident in the island. If you like to show off, are interested in drugs,prostitutes and are not interested to connect with the locals things can get nasty.

  • #125014

    aagrin
    Member

    Hey Mitico,
    Did you think Morro was nice enough for a Honeymoon,? We are thinking about it next month but are in two minds as we both didn’t like Salvador city enough last year when we went.
    I know it must be diffrent to Salvador city but was the atmosphere cool enough to feel like an oasis of love….if that makes sense.

  • #125062

    acampos
    Member
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    Tráfico de drogas invade 14 comunidades em Itaparica

    Jorge Gauthier – Redação CORREIO* – Fotos: Marina Silva e Antonio Saturnino

    Otráfico de drogas imprime o medo nas 14 comunidades que formam omunicípio de Itaparica. O local predileto para o veraneio de muitosmoradores de Salvador tornou-se atrativo para abrigar traficantesforagidos da capital baiana.


    Líder comunitário da região de Marcelino diz que a polícia não entra na comunidade depois das 8h da noite
    (Foto: Marina Silva)

    Em comunidades como Marcelino e Alto das Pombas, os bandidoschegam a ordenar toque de recolher. Todos os dias às 18h temos quefechar as portas do comércio para que a droga passe pela rua. Quem nãocumprir isso morre, revelou a proprietária de um estabelecimento doAlto das Pombas que pediu sigilo de identidade temendo represálias.

    Porto Santos, Bela Vista e Urbis são outros distritos onde aação do tráfico é mais forte na cidade. O delegado Carlos Sanches,interino da 19¬™ Delegacia de Polícia (Itaparica), admite que a maiorparte das ações criminosas na cidade são provocadas pelosentorpecentes. Infelizmente, o tráfico impera aqui. Tivemos redução nonúmero de assaltos, mas na maioria das comunidades há traficantesatuando, explica o delegado.

    Dos 28 presos que estavam custodiados na segunda-feira (20) naunidade policial, 24 tinham acusações ligadas ao tráfico de drogas.Destes, cerca de 80% são de outras cidades. A maioria vem atuar aquiporque foi expulso do mundo do crime de Salvador. Tem muito traficanteaqui de Tancredo Neves, Engomadeira e Sussuarana, completa Sanches.

    Um líder comunitário da comunidade de Marcelino, apontada comoa principal área de tráfico da cidade,conta que a polícia não entra naregião após as 20h. Os policiais alegam que a ausência de asfaltoimpede que as viaturas entrem nas ruas no período noturno, pois sehouver perseguição fica complicado. Eles têm é medo, pois tem muitopolicial que mora no Marcelino e não pode fazer operação por lá senão afamília sofre represália, revela o morador que preferiu não seidentificar.

    Lucio Ubiracê, delegado titular da 24¬™ Delegacia dePolícia(Vera Cruz), cidade vizinha a Itaparica, admite que osmunicípios da Ilha se tornaram refúgio predileto de traficantes, masgarante que a polícia tem feito combate efetivamente aos bandidos.

    Desde o início do ano já tivemos pelo menos quatro autos deresistência à prisão [morte em confronto] de bandidos da capital,conta. Pela proximidade, as duas delegacias trabalham de formaintegrada.

    Reflexos do crime o avançodas drogas em Itaparica e regiãoafugenta visitantes e prejudica o comércio. Antônio Carlos Pereira,vice-presidente da associação comercial de Vera Cruz e do sindicato doscomerciantes da Ilha, indica que nos últimos seis meses, apesar da quedado número de assaltos, o índice de arrombamentos aos estabelecimentoscontinua elevado.

    O crack tomou conta da cidade. Há pelo menos um assalto emcomércio por semana praticado por usuários que roubam para comprardroga, preocupa- se o comerciante, que mantém uma pousada em MarGrande.

    O funcionário público Jorge Gomes da Cruz, 67 anos, que há 46anos vive em Itaparica, conta que tem medo de sair de casa no períododa noite em função do tráfico de drogas. Tem alguns dias que você nãopode sair de casa. Eu respeito isso em temor à minha vida e à de meusdez filhos, conta o morador da comunidade Alto das Pombas.

    Estradas
    Oestado deconservação precário da rodovia que liga a avenida Beira-Mar àsprincipais praias do município de Itaparica facilita as açõescriminosas na cidade.

    O motorista Rosevaldo Mascarenhas dos Santos, que há dez anostransporta passageiros entre os distritos de Itaparica, reclama quediariamente precisa conviver com a ação de assaltantes, que seaproveitam dos buracos na pista para abordar passageiros. Os assaltosaqui são constantes. Os ladrões ficam escondidos nos matagais e esperamos carros reduzirem a velocidade nos buracos para atacar, indica.

    O Departamento de Infraestrutura de Transportes da Bahia (Derba),responsável pela pista, informou que vinha fazendo manutençãorotineira, mas suspendeu as ações em função das chuvas.

    Magalhães rebate declarações
    De férias, otitular da 19¬™ DP (Itaparica), delegado José Magalhães Filho, afirmouque não existe toque de recolher imposto por traficantes em Itaparica eclassificou as declarações como mentirosas.

    Ele prometeu ir nesta terça-feira (21) ao município, depois doenterro do policial. Por que esse pessoal não vem falar comigo? Só secomeçou de 10 dias para cá (o toque de recolher). Em lugar pequeno, opovo gosta de conversar, desdenhou.

    Magalhães assume que existe dificuldade de ação em apenas umalocalidade: o Marcelino, próximo ao Terminal de Bom Despacho. Acomunidade está situada em um morro, onde o acesso é ruim, íngreme.Temos só uma entrada, mas quem está lá dentro tem pelo menos seis rotasde fuga, justificou o delegado, pontuando que não existe guerra dotráfico no município. Não houve uma morte associada ao tráfico. Agora,o roubo está (associado ao tráfico).

    Magalhães assumiu a delegacia em fevereiro diante da repercussão dosroubos e mortes no município. Alçado ao posto de salvador da pátria, emplena sexta-feira 13 (de fevereiro), prometeu acabar com acriminalidade em 15 dias.

    Moradores vivem atrás das grades
    Para convivercom o medo gerado pela insegurança, a população de Itaparica precisamorar atrás das grades. Oito das dez casas da Rua do Rio, localizada nodistrito Ponta de Areia, por exemplo, têm janelas e portas protegidaspor barras de ferro.


    Dona Belizaura colocou grades em toda a casa por conta da violência
    (Foto: Marina Silva)

    Os moradores acumulam histórias de arrombamentos nos imóveis eassaltos à mão armada. A dona de casa Belizaura Freire Fernandes, 65anos, membro do Fórum de Organizações Não Governamentais da Ilha deItaparica, atribui o pânico que a obrigou a colocar grades até najanela do banheiro à ação do tráfico de droga.

    O problema da Ilha é a droga. Transformei minha casa em umapenitenciária depois de sucessivos assaltos, conta a idosa que mora naIlha há 25 anos. Vizinha de Belizaura, a também dona de casa Joselitados Santos, 31 anos, conta que vários moradores chegaram a venderimóveis na rua em função do grande número de arrombamentos.

    Vivo aqui desde que nasci e, nesses últimos anos, as coisaspioraram muito. Temos que ficar presos em casa para não sermosassaltados ou até mesmo morrer, indigna-se.

    No entanto, mesmo a presença de grades nas janelas não ésuficiente para livrar os moradores da comunidade de Marcelino da açãodos criminosos. Aqui o que impera é a lei do tráfico. Bandidos usam ascasas para abrigar os olheiros. Quem não colabora sofre represálias epode pagar até com a própria vida, diz um líder comunitário do bairroque não quis se identificar. Ele já encaminhou diversos pedidos dereforço de segurança para o bairro ao Ministério Público e à Secretariade Segurança Pública.

    Crimes em Itaparica

    25 roubos a pedestres e veranistas foram registrados no primeiro semestre. Em todo 2008, foram 44.

    11casas comerciais foram roubadas de janeiro a junho. Em todo o ano de 2008, foram 16.

    3homicídios dolosos foram registrados no primeiro semestre, contra 2 do mesmo período. 3 existe guerra do tráfico no município.

    Trajetória do crime na ilha

    27 – dez – 2008– Os franceses Jean Maxime, 62anos, e Michelle Caudra, 60, foramassaltados por dois ladrões dentro dobarco em que viajavam, na Marina de Itaparica, às 6h. Além de roubarrelógios, notebooks, celulares e cerca de R$20 mil em espécie, a duplade assaltantes agrediu a pauladas o casal, que precisou ficar internadopor dois dias no Hospital Roberto Santos.

    08 – fev – 2009– O empresário paranaense AbelAguilar, 36 anos, sócio da empresa de aluguel de barcos SalvadorCharters, foi morto comum tiro na mandíbula e outro no peito durante umassalto no catamarã Pico Alto. Aguilar foi alvejado por dois homens queentraram na embarcação e deram a voz de assalto. Aguilar teria reagidoe por esse motivo foi baleado.

    09 – fev – 2009– SSP exonera o delegado deItaparica, Ruy Araújo. O homicídio do velejador Abel Aguilar, somadoaos casos seguidos de assaltos a turistas e visitantes da Ilha deItaparica, além das reclamações dos próprios moradores, valeram acabeça dele. Em seu lugar, foi anunciado o nome do polêmico delegadoJosé Magalhães, até então titular da 24¬™DP, de Vera Cruz.

    10 – fev – 2009– O CORREIO publica o desabafo deJoão Ubaldo Ribeiro. O escritor disse que as recentes mortes ocorridasem Itaparica, o levama crer que Jaques Wagner está governando a Bahiacomo se fosse a casa da mãe Joana‚Äô. Para o governador, o desabafo doescritor vai além da indignação legítima de qualquer cidadão, chegandoao limite da deselegância‚Äô.

    13 – fev – 2009 –O governador Jaques Wagner visitaa ilha e promete a criação de um complexo policial integrado, queficará situado entre as ilhas de Vera Cruz e Itaparica, o aumento docontingente policial e a incorporação de novas viaturas

    04 – mar – 2009– Vinte dias após ser empossado nocargo, o delegado José Magalhães, declara, em entrevista a uma rádio deSalvador que pediu ao secretário de Segurança Pública, César Nunes,para ser transferido de delegacia de Itaparica. Um acordo não-cumpridosobre sua estadia ‚Äì pago comdinheiro do seu próprio bolso – seria opivô de sua saída.

    15 – mar – 2009– Quatro homens invadem o Centro deTreinamento de Líderes, rendem um funcionário e obrigam ele a abrirtodas as portas. O objetivo seria um atentado contra o delegadoMagalhães. Eles gritavam que não queriam nada, apenas pegar o delegadoMagalhães. Invadiram todos os quartos do convento e arrombaram asportas. Não levaram nada , disse o delegado ao CORREIO.

    03 -jul – 2009– Quatro homens invadem o Centro deTreinamento de Líderes, rendem um funcionário e obrigam ele a abrirtodas as portas. O objetivo seria um atentado contra o delegadoMagalhães. Eles gritavam que não queriam nada, apenas pegar o delegadoMagalhães. Invadiram todos os quartos do convento e arrombaram asportas. Não levaram nada , disse o delegado ao CORREIO.

    *Colaborou Marianna Rios

    It breaks my heart. We the people of the island do not deserve this.

    bobbyitaparica2009-07-25 22:58:35

  • #125077

    acampos
    Member

    More Details about the group who came to the island to kill a traficante and attack Club Med. They had a machine gun among other things. Ages 22-23-18-19-21

    Bando refugiado na ilha é desarticulado

    Qui, 23 de Julho de 2009 19:05 BAHIA

    Quandoaguardavam a chegada de um carregamento de drogas e armas na localidadede Conceição, na Ilha de Itaparica, seis integrantes de uma quadrilhaque escaparam de um recente cerco policial em Boa Vista de São Caetano,foram presos ontem (22), durante uma operação conjunta das políciasCivil e Militar. Eles estão custodiados na 24¬™ Delegacia, em Vera Cruz,segundo informou hoje (23), o delegado titular Lúcio Ubiracê.
    Alexandre da Paixão Pereira, o Brinco, 30 anos, Railan Ivan Santosdas Neves, o Rái, 18 anos, Daniel Araújo Santos, Dan, 18 e osirmãos, Danilo, David e Diego Silva de Jesus, de 19, 18 e 21 anosrespectivamente, alugaram uma casa em Conceição há cerca de uma semana.No imóvel os policiais apreenderam meio quilo de maconha.
    De acordo com o delegado Lúcio Ubiracê, o bando planejava executar umtraficante rival na localidade conhecida como Alto do Marcilino, emItaparica, e assumir o controle da venda de drogas na área. A políciaapurou ainda que um sofisticado resort na ilha seria o próximo alvo daquadrilha, que pretendia assaltá-lo.
    Brinco, Rái, Dan e os três irmãos, foram autuados em flagrantepor tráfico de drogas pelo delegado plantonista da 24¬™ CP, RafaelMagalhães. Todos têm mandados de prisão em aberto. Outros seiscomparsas do bando já foram identificados e tiveram suas prisõespreventivas solicitadas, informou o delegado titular.

    Metralhadora

    Estemesmo bando desarticulado ontem, na Ilha de Itaparica, foi surpreendidono último dia 13 de julho, no Alto da Boa Vista, em São Caetano, quandotentaria eliminar um traficante rival. Policiais da 4¬™ Delegacia tinhamsido informados de que cerca de 20 homens fortemente armados,provenientes da localidade conhecida como Barriquinha praticaria umhomicídio.
    No trajeto, houve um confronto com os policiais, tendo Samuel dosSantos, de 18 anos, morrido na troca de tiros. Adilton Santos deAraújo, 23, foi preso. Uma metralhadora, uma granada de fabricaçãocaseira e um revólver calibre 38, além de drogas e farta munição paraarmas de diversos calibres foram apreendidos na ocasião.
    Os outros integrantes do grupo evadiram-se, entre eles Danilo de Jesus,capturado ontem à noite, em Conceição, em companhia de seus irmãosDavid e Diego, e dos comparsas Brinco, Rái, Dan.

  • #125080

    lmaonade5
    Member

    BI, a true subscriber to the “Tristeza Nao Tem Fim” school of philosophy, and intent on insuring twice daily that our “Felicidade, Sim“, com certeza.

  • #125082

    [QUOTE=tomjo]Hey Mitico,
    Did you think Morro was nice enough for a Honeymoon,? We are thinking about it next month but are in two minds as we both didn’t like Salvador city enough last year when we went.
    I know it must be diffrent to Salvador city but was the atmosphere cool enough to feel like an oasis of love….if that makes sense.
    [/QUOTE]
    check on tripadvisor, there are people that went in Morro on honeymoon. There are places on the island with very few tourists, other spots are for “party”. I have no idea how many people will be there in August. Check this site plenty of info http://www.morrodesaopaulobrasil.com.br/english/embarcacoes.htm.

  • #125113

    MedowVBO
    Member

    Hello guys, I always read and see on TV that Rio is by far the most violent city in Brazil…

  • #125117

    Kiet to
    Member

    [QUOTE=Brazilian Gring]Hello guys, I always read and see on TV that Rio is by far the most violent city in Brazil…[/QUOTE] Probably true, in some areas of Rio. We have been living, playing, partying, eating, drinking, sleeping, sunbathing, swimming, jogging, driving and working (when not doing the preceding) in Rio for close to 5 years and have never seen an act of violence, neither have many of our friends, some who have been here much longer. Although I once saw a guy in Barra chase a pickpocket and kick the crap out of him, almost felt sorry for the poor guy. We all know violence exists in Rio, just open Globo any day of the week and read the news, complete with graphic photos of cops armed to the teeth with high powered weapons storming a favela. They even have a bullet-proof helicopter, not sure about a shell hitting the rotor blades though.

  • #125122

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Brazilian Gring]Hello guys, I always read and see on TV that Rio is by far the most violent city in Brazil…[/QUOTE] Not in BobIt’s world. The existence of this thread in isolation serves little purpose when looking at the big picture of Brazil. Maybe there should be associated threads like these suggestions below to redress the balance… Violence in Recife Violence in Rio de Janeiro Violence in Sao Paulo Violence in Belo Horizonte Violence in Joao Pessoa Violence in Forteleza Violence in Brasilia I imagine that they’d pretty much mirror this thread, if treated in the same way by their thread-originators. Shockedglobetrotter2009-07-26 17:47:41

  • #125126

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]BI, a true subscriber to the “Tristeza Nao Tem Fim” school of philosophy, and intent on insuring twice daily that our “Felicidade, Sim“, com certeza. [/QUOTE]
    So thirteen neighborhoods in Itaparica are infested with established drug dealers and they make enough money to attract a gang from Salvador to invade with a plan to murder a dealer and grab his “bico” or selling place.
    They also wanted to invade the Club Med with the machine gun. All young people. Let’s thank God the cops got them.
    Please stay away and keep your head in the sand. You are a liar with your post about Penha which proves you to be ignorant of the island, having to ask the children of fishermen about the place.
    Your other comment about if you own a nice house on the island you deserve what happens also shows you to be a passive aggressive troll. You choose to live in a favela and good luck to you.

  • #125128

    lmaonade5
    Member

    mais tristeza ainda……..

    Everyone can see what I wrote and how you twist my words for your own purposes.

    What I said was that someone rich choosing to live near a place with lots of extreme poverty, and living behind walls, not integrated into the community, might expect that there might be some who covet what he has and act on that, so why be surprised or outraged when it does happen. And I asked the neighbors for their description of Penha and they responded that there were favelas there, not a good place to have a fancy house and lots of stuff. Ponto final. and btw, we are called a povoado. We don’t have the fancy views of the city you guys do, but we’re happy with our lives, our friends and family, and our pretty beach. Wish I were your shrink (not). I’d be rich off your sick obsession with sad events.

  • #125132

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    mais tristeza ainda……..

    Everyone can see what I wrote and how you twist my words for your own purposes.

    What I said was that someone rich choosing to live near a place with lots of extreme poverty, and living behind walls,
    Another Lie from you. Your post never said that. Judgemental dingbat calling me rich now! That was not in your original post. Aside from that it is no crime to live in a nice house.
    not integrated into the community,
    Another judgemental and erroneous assumption on your part.
    The youths who tied up my neighbor’s caseiro, threatened him at knifepoint and ransacked the house were not from the neighborhood. The police caught them including a sixteen year old girl from all from a favela many miles away. The neighbor’s family built the house about forty years ago.
    might expect that there might be some who covet what he has and act on that, so why be surprised or outraged when it does happen.
    Now you are digging your hole deeper. Just because one is poor doesn’t make the person a thief. Even the jumper a young dark shoeless kid was not from my neighborhood. The thieves are smart enough to go to another neighborhood to commit their crimes.
    You are repeating the original claim you placed upon the children of the fisherman. Another lie from you in the first place.
    Your statement also indicates; “if you want to live in Bahia you must live in a favela or you will be attacked by those who covet what you have.” Wicked advise from one who lives in a small favela.
    And I asked the neighbors for their description of Penha and they responded that there were favelas there, not a good place to have a fancy house and lots of stuff. Ponto final.
    You are a complete idiot not knowing about Penha after living 4 years as you claim on the island and having to ask children of fisherman about the place. Pura verdade cem por cento sem duvida. Penha is one of the most beautiful beaches on the island and has some of the nicest homes as well. The condomenio of Penha has homes valued ove a million reais.
    You might go there and hand out some business cards. The residents can pay you your 20 reais an hour for English lessons.Smile
    and btw, we are called a povoado. We don’t have the fancy views of the city you guys do, but we’re happy with our lives, our friends and family, and our pretty beach.
    Yes in your pm you call your place a little favela, if you now change it to povoado, good for you. You continue to dig a deeper hole of baloney.
    Wish I were your shrink (not). I’d be rich off your sick obsession with sad events.
    You continue to name call and insult others simply because they discuss the truth as to what is going on.
    Que Deus te bencoe e mantenha longe os traficantes da tua favela pequena ou povoado desde que voce descreve o lugar assim deve ser.

    [/QUOTE]
    — Previous Private Message —
    Sent by :Bahiana77
    Sent :25 June 2009 at 15:04
    I guess you don’t read “A TARDE online or in print.
    Just another Quinta de Sao Joao in Itaparica and Salvador.

    Who knows if this guy whogot shot at the churrasco was dealing drugs or in a gang or what? Justbecause he was on the Island….This doesn’t happen every day, Bobby.You know it, and I, who also live on the Island, know it.I live in mylittle favela on the hill among people who watch out for me and mine,bring food to share, come over to get help with school homework,etc……just another typical day in Itaparica and Salvador.
    With over twenty five years experience with Brazil.
    And I have over a decade’s.
    The violence and criminality has never been so bad.
    The violence and criminality have never been so well publicized.

    You in you PM to me tell me you live in a favela. Now you change your story and tell me you live in a povoado. You have posted a lie about Penha. The big houses had no walls when built. Sadly today one requires walls and dogs and a caseiro, due to the drug infestation coming from the favelas, invasoes on the island.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-27 00:26:46

  • #125149

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Gee, Frank, I get up in the morning, go down the lane to get fresh bread at the bakery my friend owns, have my coffee under the mango tree in front of the house, go see what fish the neighbors caught the night before that I can get for our dinner, ….that is, unless the neighbor’s kid doesn’t come by to have breakfast with us and bring a fish as a present…. sweep and tidy our little house and maybe wash some clothes with all the other neighborhood women while chatting, see that my god-daughter has done all her homework and go over the main concepts with her, make some lunch or maybe get invited to eat a moqueca with one of the neighbor’s, take my god-daughter to school, go to the beach for awhile to swim, sit in the shade listening to music at the beach while drinking a beer with friends……..

    ….yeah, of course, if I forgot to mention how I had to go buy some crack or ammo for the kalashnikov that makes me feel so safe, or dodge bullets going about my daily routine, or contract with some kids to go rob the rich neighbors, feed the attack dog, or worry about whether someone is going to rob the house while I step out, well, maybe that’s because that s*** doesn’t exist here. It’s in BobIt’s sick little obsessive mind. Your friend is very welcome any time he wants to drop by, dear.

  • #125151

    mastercoop
    Member

    Sounds like a paradise Bahiana. I’m amazed the property prices haven’t shot up there. It’s funny how films, TV, documentaries, the police, and even favelados misrepresent the reality of daily life in the favela. Anyone less informed than yourself would gain an impression that the favelados live in constant fear of crime (since statistically most of the crimes occur in the faveles, as does most of the drug usage, gangs and guns), have poor amenities, brutally short lives and grinding poverty. I guess you have a lot to teach us.

  • #125153

    edit_21
    Member

    Well said Bahiana77 it sounds as though your life there is much like our life here in Joao Pessoa. Thumbs%20UpSome people either live in a very bad area (yes they do exist) or are just manic depressives with crime phobias. This weekend we bought fish from the vendor on the beach, drank beer with friends, took my nieces to lunch at a local barraca, had friends over for dinner, took the dog for a walk and finished up in Bebe Blues listening to live music and drinking a beer with LL and never got shot at, stabbed, mugged or had my pockets picked once. Big%20smileCool

  • #125160

    mastercoop
    Member

    If I’m not mistaken no-one’s talking about JP, or Campinas, Havana or Seoul. We’re talking about Salvador and whether or not its reputation for violence is justified.

  • #125164

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=KiteFlyer]Well said Bahiana77 it sounds as though your life there is much like our life here in Joao Pessoa. Thumbs%20UpSome people either live in a very bad area (yes they do exist) or are just manic depressives with crime phobias. This weekend we bought fish from the vendor on the beach, drank beer with friends, took my nieces to lunch at a local barraca, had friends over for dinner, took the dog for a walk and finished up in Bebe Blues listening to live music and drinking a beer with LL and never got shot at, stabbed, mugged or had my pockets picked once. Big%20smileCool[/QUOTE]You didn’t get shot because I hit the guy over the head with my poolcue, the guy who was going to stab you was hit by Major with a snookerball in a sock while you were not looking, the mugger didn’t get pastJose the attack dog because he didn’t have the $R3 to enter and youdid have your pocket picked by me when they gave us the bill, so all inall not a bad night
    LOLLOL

    In this life, one thing counts
    In the bank, large amounts
    I’m afraid these don’t grow on trees
    You’ve got to pick a pocket or two
    Wink

  • #125176

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Juninho]If I’m not mistaken no-one’s talking about JP, or Campinas, Havana or Seoul. We’re talking about Salvador and whether or not its reputation for violence is justified.[/QUOTE] Maybe people should talk about JP & Campinas and other cities (in terms of violence) as I suggested earlier. This thread singles out one city and pollutes itself with paranoia that suggests that Salvador is sooooo much worse than any other Brazilain city for violence. I’ve never been to Recife but that city has a worse reputation for violence than Salvador as far as I am aware. I think that most Brazilain cities have a reputation for violence that may be justified – but to dwell on one city to the exclusion of any others distorts the picture. Don’t forget guys…. WE LIVE IN BRAZIL!!!!!! Not a sleepy village in the Cotswolds. LOL

  • #125177

    acampos
    Member
    Quite an amazing story. Eight men dress up as clowns and hand out health insurance advertisements. They get insde the retailer “Papel e Cia,” announce the robbery and get 600 reais. Comes out to bout 40 dollars per clown/thief. Then they steal a taxi for the getaway which leads to a shoot out on the Paralela near Iguatemi. Three clowns are shot and are taken to the hospital. Other clowns are at large, still clowning about town. Though work being a violent clown thief in Salvador.
    27/07/2009 às 10:33

    – ATUALIZADAàs 11:30COMENTÁRIO (1)

    Polícia persegue criminosos pela avenida Paralela

    Helga Cirino – A TARDE*

    >> Qual ação de segurança pública seria eficiente no combate à violência na Bahia?

    Oito homensforam perseguidos ao longo da Avenida Paralela sentido Iguatemi namanhã desta segunda-feira, 27. A perseguição aos homens acusados deassaltar a loja Papel & Cia, localizada na avenida, começou porvolta de 10h30.

    Os criminosos foram interceptados na Boca do Rio, quando roubavam umtáxi, utilizado na fuga, e foram perseguidos pela polícia. Houve trocade tiros no Centro Administrativo da Bahia (CAB), de acordo com aCentral de Telecomunicações das Polícias (Centel), e três supostoscriminosos foram baleados e levados para o Hospital Roberto Santos. Osdemais fugiram em um veículo de dados ignorados. Agentes da Rondesp epoliciais civis participam da operação. O valor roubado não foidivulgado.

    Funcionários da Papel & Cia, que não querem se identificar,contaram que os bandidos chegaram na loja vestidos de palhaçoentregando panfletos de um plano de saúde, fingindo participar de umaação publicitária. Os criminosos anunciaram o assalto para um vigilanteda unidade, que os encaminhou ao departamento financeiro. No local,eles roubaram cerca de R$600. Funcionários disseram que a quantia éutilizada para dar troco aos clientes e que o valor roubado não foimaior porque a direção da loja tem o costume de recolher o dinheiro doestabelecimento.
    *Com redação de Paula Pitta – A TARDE On Line

  • #125179

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=Juninho]If I’m not mistaken no-one’s talking about JP, or Campinas, Havana or Seoul. We’re talking about Salvador and whether or not its reputation for violence is justified.[/QUOTE] Maybe people should talk about JP & Campinas and other cities (in terms of violence) as I suggested earlier. This thread singles out one city and pollutes itself with paranoia that suggests that Salvador is sooooo much worse than any other Brazilain city for violence. I’ve never been to Recife but that city has a worse reputation for violence than Salvador as far as I am aware. I think that most Brazilain cities have a reputation for violence that may be justified – but to dwell on one city to the exclusion of any others distorts the picture. Don’t forget guys…. WE LIVE IN BRAZIL!!!!!! Not a sleepy village in the Cotswolds. LOL[/QUOTE] Looks like you’re going to be busy starting a lot of threads then. I wouldn’t say the thread is polluting or that the author is paranoid. EVERYONE I speak to considers Salvador to be the number 1 city in Brazil crimewise, and all the major tour operators take the same view. No one is suggesting that all other cities are crime free, but to claim that Campinas has a crime problem every bit as large as that of Salvador is preposterous.

  • #125181

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=Juninho]If I’m not mistaken no-one’s talking about JP, or Campinas, Havana or Seoul. We’re talking about Salvador and whether or not its reputation for violence is justified.[/QUOTE]

    Maybe people should talk about JP & Campinas and other cities (in terms of violence) as I suggested earlier. This thread singles out one city and pollutes itself with paranoia that suggests that Salvador is sooooo much worse than any other Brazilain city for violence.
    There is no paranoia here. Just a discussion of what is going on. I spend half the Year in the Salvador area and over the years I have noticed an increase in violence. The walls are getting higher, I see more electric fences, more bobbed wire, shop owners closing earlier, Pelourinho getting dirtier. My observations are backed up by the various newspapers and quotes from the locals. What the hell is going on? My guess is that the drug problem is getting worse and since as Bahiana states the “crappy public schools prepare the population for brute force labor,” the situation is unlikely to change for the better.
    I have never suggested that the violence in Salvador is worse than any other city of Brazil
    I’ve never been to Recife but that city has a worse reputation for violence than Salvador as far as I am aware. I think that most Brazilain cities have a reputation for violence that may be justified – but to dwell on one city to the exclusion of any others distorts the picture.
    The thread started out citing that the police have killed over 130 people so far this year and are on track to kill 40 this month. What the hell is going on?
    Don’t forget guys…. WE LIVE IN BRAZIL!!!!!! Not a sleepy village in the Cotswolds. LOL
    Exactly what I’ve been saying. Unfortunately since this thread started a buch of drug related news has come out of the island of Itaparica, not the sleepy place it used to be.

    [/QUOTE]bobbyitaparica2009-07-27 12:31:25

  • #125200

    acampos
    Member

    Another busy day. Confused

    26/07/2009 às 23:37

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 26/07/2009 às 23:39COMENTÁRIOS (5)

    Jovens são encontrados queimados em veículo

    Luisa Torreão e Helga Cirino l A TARDE

    O envolvimento com drogas é a hipótese trabalhada pela polícia para aexecução de quatro jovens, cujos corpos foram descobertos na manhãdeste domingo, 26, na Estrada de Nova Brasília, no bairro de Valéria.Três deles foram carbonizados no interior de um GM Celta, depropriedade não identificada. Um quarto homem estava caído fora docarro. Foi conduzido com vida para o Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE),mas não sobreviveu.

    O mais novo do grupo tinha 17 anos: Jean Anderson Santana Santos,irmão de Carlos Antônio Santana Baia, 23. Ambos foram carbonizadosjunto com Jonatas dos Santos Antunes, 22, irmão de Jaguaraci dos SantosAntunes, 23, que estava fora do carro, recebeu pauladas na cabeça echegou a ser conduzido pela polícia ao HGE, onde morreu. De acordo como delegado Antônio Costa, da 8¬™ CP (Delegacia do CIA), um traficante dobairro de Valéria é o principal suspeito.

    A polícia já viria no encalço do criminoso há algum tempo. Ele émuito escorregadio, tem muitos informantes. Já tentamos pegá-lo antes,mas infelizmente ainda não tivemos êxito, admite o delegado. Segundoele, o nome não pode ser divulgado para não atrapalhar as apurações,que só terão início nesta segunda-feira, 27, uma vez que a equipe doSetor de Investigação estava de folga neste domingo.

    A hipótese mais provável é que as vítimas também atuassem junto aotráfico ou fossem usuárias, apesar de não possuírem passagem na polícia‚Äì apenas Jaguaraci tinha entrada na Delegacia de Atendimento à Mulher(Deam), por agressão em 2007. Não é informação concreta, mas épossível que estivessem envolvidos com droga, diz Antônio Costa. Deacordo com ele, o bairro tem enfrentado disputa entre quadrilhas dotráfico: Essa área de Valéria é terrível, conclui o delegado.
    Outros casos‚Äì Mais um crime passional vitimou umamulher na madrugada de domingo. Marijane Nascimento Silva, 20, foimorta por tiros no tórax e no abdômen, por volta da 1h, pelocompanheiro de prenome Jailton. O crime ocorreu na casa onde elesresidiam, na Rua 1¬∫ de Julho, Baixinha de Santo Antônio.
    Marijane chegou a ser levada para o Hospital Roberto Santos, ondechegou sem vida. De acordo com familiares da vítima, Jailton já vinhaameaçando a mulher, inconformado com o fim do relacionamento.
    Horas antes, Valdir Rodrigues de Brito, 34, foi morto a tiros por doishomens não identificados, na região do mesmo bairro. No início damanhã, foi descoberto o corpo de Raimundo Neves da Conceição, 41,possivelmente morto por traficantes, na Av. Gomes Brandão, no Garcia.Também foi encontrado com perfurações de faca o corpo de um homemnegro, aparentando 35 anos, em terreno baldio no fundo do Makro, emPirajá.
    No subúrbio ferroviário de Periperi, Eduardo Aragão de Jesus, 18,caminhava por volta das 4h de domingo, quando foi atacado a tiros portrês homens. Em Alto de Coutos, outro homem ainda não identificado pelapolícia, entre 20 e 30 anos, foi achado morto a tiros, também ontem.
    No Av. Desembargador Castelo Branco, Centro, foi assassinado atiros Ericson Nadson Oliveira de Jesus, 23, por volta das 22h30 dosábado. Outro assassinato ocorrido anteontem foi o de Alexandre dosSantos de Jesus, baleado perto de Vila de Abrantes.

  • #125203

    acampos
    Member

    I think it is time for Brazil to legalize drugs. Place a tax on it like they do with alcohol and tobacco. The tax would pay for free drug rehab for who ever wants it. The market price would be so low that the traficantes would go out of business. They don’t sell pinga or cigarettes right?
    Unfortunately the police tend to want to keep drugs illegal so they have lots of work to do. That way they can continue to demand money for cars, arms, new hires, etc.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-27 12:37:38

  • #125211

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]I think it is time for Brazil to legalize drugs. Place a tax on it like they do with alcohol and tobacco. The tax would pay for free drug rehab for who ever wants it. The market price would be so low that the traficantes would go out of business. They don’t sell pinga or cigarettes right?
    Unfortunately the police tend to want to keep drugs illegal so they have lots of work to do. That way they can continue to demand money for cars, arms, new hires, etc.
    [/QUOTE]WOW! I’d love to answer but I fear it would take the thread away from its topic.
    Maybe start a thread about this in the “off topic” forum? Wink
    Just for research have a look at what has happened in Portugal which in2001 became the first European country to officially abolishall criminal penalties for personal possession of drugs, includingmarijuana, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine.
    From what I understand the number of drug takers has reduced by 10% anddrug related crime has fallen by much more than that, while there hasbeen no reportable rise in drug tourists.
    Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind ofprocess involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that itwas to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerousdrug, not the case if you read the history

  • #125212

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=London Lad][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]I think it is time for Brazil to legalize drugs. Place a tax on it like they do with alcohol and tobacco. The tax would pay for free drug rehab for who ever wants it. The market price would be so low that the traficantes would go out of business. They don’t sell pinga or cigarettes right?
    Unfortunately the police tend to want to keep drugs illegal so they have lots of work to do. That way they can continue to demand money for cars, arms, new hires, etc.
    [/QUOTE]WOW! I’d love to answer but I fear it would take the thread away from its topic.
    Maybe start a thread about this in the “off topic” forum? Wink
    Just for research have a look at what has happened in Portugal which in2001 became the first European country to officially abolishall criminal penalties for personal possession of drugs, includingmarijuana, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine.
    From what I understand the number of drug takers has reduced by 10% anddrug related crime has fallen by much more than that, while there hasbeen no reportable rise in drug tourists.
    Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind ofprocess involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that itwas to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerousdrug, not the case if you read the history
    [/QUOTE]
    Yes we could start a new thread but since legalization would tend to wipe out the traficantes and a bunch of the violence in Salvador is drug related we aren’t exactly going off topic.
    That old maid’s story of marijuana as a gateway drug is pure baloney. Pot smokers like to eat pizza and listen to music.LOLLOL

  • #125229

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=London Lad] [
    Just for research have a look at what has happened in Portugal which in 2001 became the first European country to officially abolish all criminal penalties for personal possession of drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine.
    [/QUOTE] That would explain why I got hassled 6 times within 9 hours by drug dealers on the streets of Lisbon trying to sell me pot and crack-cocaine two weeks ago. Confused

  • #125249

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=London Lad] [
    Just for research have a look at what has happened in Portugal which in 2001 became the first European country to officially abolish all criminal penalties for personal possession of drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine.
    [/QUOTE]

    That would explain why I got hassled 6 times within 9 hours by drug dealers on the streets of Lisbon trying to sell me pot and crack-cocaine two weeks ago. Confused

    [/QUOTE]Only 6 times in 9 hours, you must have been in the wrong part of townLOLLOL

  • #125259

    mastercoop
    Member

    Proves the point – illegal marajuana dealers in Amsterdam or Berne just don’t exist

  • #125376

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]

    Quite an amazing story. Eight men dress up as clowns and hand out health insurance advertisements. They get insde the retailer “Papel e Cia,” announce the robbery and get 600 reais. Comes out to bout 40 dollars per clown/thief. Then they steal a taxi for the getaway which leads to a shoot out on the Paralela near Iguatemi. Three clowns are shot and are taken to the hospital. Other clowns are at large, still clowning about town. Though work being a violent clown thief in Salvador.

    Update 28/07/2009
    The three clowns died at the hospital. They jumped into a taxi in Imbui near the Paralela. Local cops noticed the strange behavior. There is a video about the clowns and shootout on the Tarde website.
    Another three people killed by the cops.

    27/07/2009 às 10:33

    – ATUALIZADAàs 11:30COMENTÁRIO (1)

    Polícia persegue criminosos pela avenida Paralela

    Helga Cirino – A TARDE*

    >> Qual ação de segurança pública seria eficiente no combate à violência na Bahia?

    Oito homensforam perseguidos ao longo da Avenida Paralela sentido Iguatemi namanhã desta segunda-feira, 27. A perseguição aos homens acusados deassaltar a loja Papel & Cia, localizada na avenida, começou porvolta de 10h30.

    Os criminosos foram interceptados na Boca do Rio, quando roubavam umtáxi, utilizado na fuga, e foram perseguidos pela polícia. Houve trocade tiros no Centro Administrativo da Bahia (CAB), de acordo com aCentral de Telecomunicações das Polícias (Centel), e três supostoscriminosos foram baleados e levados para o Hospital Roberto Santos. Osdemais fugiram em um veículo de dados ignorados. Agentes da Rondesp epoliciais civis participam da operação. O valor roubado não foidivulgado.

    Funcionários da Papel & Cia, que não querem se identificar,contaram que os bandidos chegaram na loja vestidos de palhaçoentregando panfletos de um plano de saúde, fingindo participar de umaação publicitária. Os criminosos anunciaram o assalto para um vigilanteda unidade, que os encaminhou ao departamento financeiro. No local,eles roubaram cerca de R$600. Funcionários disseram que a quantia éutilizada para dar troco aos clientes e que o valor roubado não foimaior porque a direção da loja tem o costume de recolher o dinheiro doestabelecimento.
    *Com redação de Paula Pitta – A TARDE On Line

    [/QUOTE]

  • #125691

    acampos
    Member

    Seven more guys killed by police in Salvador. A busy day.Shocked

    29/07/2009 às 22:46

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 30/07/2009 às 01:49COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Sete mortos em duas operações policiais

    Meire Oliveira l A TARDE

    Claudionor Júnior/Agência A TARDE

    Vítima%20do%20tiroteio%20entre%20PMs%20e%20acusados%20de%20tráfico%20no%20Nordeste%20de%20Amaralina%20dá%20entrada%20no%20HGE

    Vítima do tiroteio entre PMs e acusados de tráfico no Nordeste de Amaralina dá entrada no HGE

    Dois confrontos entre policiais e suspeitos de envolvimento com tráficode drogas resultaram em sete mortes, apreensão de armas, drogas e umtenente baleado. As ações ocorreram no final da tarde de quarta-feira,29, na Avenida Vasco da Gama e no Nordeste de Amaralina, e só foramconcluídas por volta das 22 horas.

    Em ronda rotineira pela Travessa 20 de Junho, localidade do Areal,uma guarnição da 40¬™ Companhia Independente da Polícia Militar (CIPM)foi surpreendida por pelo menos sete homens armados que abriram fogocontra a guarnição, baleando o tenente Bruno Pimentel Garrec, lotado naunidade, na perna direita, na altura do joelho. Ele foi socorrido noHospital Geral do Estado (HGE) e liberado.

    Com apoio da Rondesp, Rotamo (Batalhão de Choque) e o GrupamentoAéreo da Polícia Militar da Bahia (Graer), além das 13¬™ (Pituba) e 35¬™(Iguatemi) CIPM, as diligências continuaram e mais um embate na mesmaregião causou a morte de quatro homens, ainda não identificados, quetentaram se esconder em uma casa. Segundo o major Gidelmar de AlmeidaGualberto, comandante da 40¬™ CIPM, três conseguiram fugir.

    Com o grupo, foram encontradas armas ‚Äì uma submetralhadora, duaspistolas, dois revólveres, um calibre 38 e outro 32 ‚Äì e drogas (10quilos de pasta de cocaína, 20 saquinhos de crack, cada um com 50pedras, e pelo menos 200 trouxas de maconha). Todo o material foiapresentado na Delegacia de Tóxicos e Entorpecentes (DTE), complexo dedelegacias dos Barris.
    Vasco da Gama‚Äì Uma hora depois, o combate ao tráficode drogas deu início a mais um tiroteio com policiais da 7¬™ CP(Delegacia do Rio Vermelho) e da 41¬™ CIPM, localizada na Federação. Pormeio de denúncia anônima, as guarnições chegaram à comunidade conhecidacomo Alto da Canjira, próximo ao Condomínio Santa Madalena, e àlocalidade de Binóculo, atrás do Hospital Salvador.
    Desta vez, pelo menos seis homens atiraram contra policiais. Aofinal da operação, três suspeitos morreram, Antônio Carlos SantosOliveira, 22 anos, o único identificado, considerando as duas ações datarde de quarta. A polícia acredita que os envolvidos sejam herdeirosda quadrilha antes liderada por Eberson Souza Santos (Piti), morto em 6de agosto de 2007.
    Em propriedade dos suspeitos, a polícia encontrou duas balanças deprecisão, armas (dois revólveres calibre 38 e um calibre 22, muniçõesde fuzil, pistola ponto 40, 9 milímetros e 380), aproximadamente doisquilos de cocaína, maconha, embalagens de plástico, além de tesouras edois celulares.
    A movimentação foi intensa no HGE com a chegada de viaturas daspolícias Civil e Militar socorrendo as vítimas, que já chegaram mortasà unidade com tiros em várias partes do corpo.
    Segundo policiais que trabalharam nas duas operações, os locais sãoredutos do comércio de drogas onde a população se queixa de ameaça, e,no caso do Areal, já foi obrigada a deixar suas casas que hoje servemde alojamento do tráfico para fabricação e comércio. Pela quantidade demortes, o posto policial do HGE solicitou ainda na quarta a remoção doscorpos ao Instituto Médico-Legal, que já não cabiam no necrotério daunidade.

  • #125700

    jonathand
    Member

    Dois milhões oitocentos e noventa e dois mil seiscentos e dezoito não assassinado no Salvador

  • #125722

    mastercoop
    Member

    Once you have to count whose left you know your city really is in trouble.Exclamation

  • #125724

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Juninho]Once you have to count whose left you know your city really is in trouble.Exclamation[/QUOTE] Just thought showing the other side of the equation might put BobIt’s daily onslaught into perspective. Big%20smile

  • #125731

    mastercoop
    Member

    I think you’ve definately achieved that, just not in the way you envisagedBig%20smile

  • #125733

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=Juninho]Once you have to believe alarmists you knowyou’rereally in trouble.Exclamation[/QUOTE]

  • #125777

    mastercoop
    Member

    Seeing as you’re living in a favela in Salvador I’d say you’re in more trouble than me, cloak of invincibility or not.

  • #125787

    lmaonade5
    Member

    You obviously didn’t read the description of my typical day here very well before you made the sarcastic comment that followed, or this one above. Not “in trouble” of any kind at all, no cloak used or needed, no bullets flying, no assaults…….just livin’ The Life, as are the rest of the people I know here……good fresh food grown, raised or caught by neighbors, cold beer, pretty beach, good friends….. ….and probably safer, as I am in Salvador itself also, than you wherever you struggle to maintain your lifestyle. Bahiana772009-07-30 13:42:42

  • #125788

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter]Dois milhões oitocentos e noventa e dois mil seiscentos e dezoito não assassinado no Salvador

    [/QUOTE]
    You don’t get it do you? If the cops killed seven “bad guys” in any city of Europe or the States in one day it would be major news. If the cops killed 140 people in seven months in a city of 3 million people you would have riots in Europe or the States. Worse yet people like Baihiana come up with ho-hum “its never been so well publicized” indicating that it has always been that way and she is dead wrong.
    The island of Itaparica is in a good example. João Ubaldo Ribeirois a Brazilian author born in Itaparica, Bahia1941. He as a native knows much more than I do or Bahiana an he has stated that Itaparica is a mess. The wave of violence and attacks against tourists pisses me off. Pisses him off too.

  • #125792

    lmaonade5
    Member

    The folks I live amongst here are natives too, born and bred, as are my friends in Salvador, and what you insist on foisting on the forum daily simply does not register even a blip on the Richter scale of their daily lives (as it apparently and sadlyhits a magnitude of 8.9 every minute of the day for you (and Juninho) and eats at your life).

  • #125793

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] [QUOTE=globetrotter]Dois milhões oitocentos e noventa e dois mil seiscentos e dezoito não assassinado no Salvador [/QUOTE]
    You don’t get it do you? If the cops killed seven “bad guys” in any city of Europe or the States in one day it would be major news. If the cops killed 140 people in seven months in a city of 3 million people you would have riots in Europe or the States. Worse yet people like Baihiana come up with ho-hum “its never been so well publicized” indicating that it has always been that way and she is dead wrong.
    The island of Itaparica is in a good example. João Ubaldo Ribeirois a Brazilian author born in Itaparica, Bahia1941. He as a native knows much more than I do or Bahiana an he has stated that Itaparica is a mess. The wave of violence and attacks against tourists pisses me off. Pisses him off too.
    [/QUOTE] I do get it! I completely get it!!! I truly wish that I could walk the streets of any Brazilian city without having to take into consideration the dangers that may lurk around the next corner. I wish I could walk a mile at midnight from a friend’s house to mine in safety – like I can in the UK. I just don’t think your continual postings of the day’s news serve any further purpose other than to scare-monger. We’re not idiots…. we know the dangers… we know the problems… we don’t like the situation…. but we’re not about to let it terrify us into submission or drive us away from Brazil. Thrusting these reports down our throats doesn’t help at all. Have you never heard of overkill? You made your comment that violence appears to be getting worse in Salvador. You’re probably right – I may not have been here as long as you, so don’t have the reference point that you may have. But now, you’re using a sledgehammer to break an egg. It’s getting tedious. We see the newspapers or TV news everyday. We know what’s going on. We don’t need you to keep regurgitating the message. We hear you…. we understand you…. we even agree with you to some extent… but you’re entering overkill territory.

  • #125799

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]The folks I live amongst here are natives too, born and bred,
    What a bold lie to say the drugs and the violence have not touched the lives of the natives.ConfusedConfusedConfused
    as are my friends in Salvador, and what you insist on foisting on the forum daily simply does not register even a blip on the Richterscale
    Are we talking about earthquakes?LOLLOL
    of their daily lives (as it apparently and sadlyhits a magnitude of 8.9
    Did you study geology?LOLLOL
    every minute of the day for you (and Juninho) and eats at your life).
    Was your Daddy an MD? [/QUOTE]
    This is the Gringoes Forum, Vent Your Frustrations, Violence in Salvador
    Total baloney on your part.
    Right Bahiana, the one who asks the children of fisherman about Penha because she is so clueless she’s never been there after living four years on the island.

  • #125801

    edit_21
    Member

    Strikes me that if your a bad guy, carry a gun and shoot at the police you should not be too surprised if they shoot back. Also being better trained and no doubt with more target practice the police are a better shot. Sounds like the police there are doing a good job of getting rid of the bad guys either that or the bad guys enjoy commiting suicide by police.

  • #125816

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=KiteFlyer]Strikes me that if your a bad guy, carry a gun and shoot at the police you should not be too surprised if they shoot back. Also being better trained and no doubt with more target practice the police are a better shot. Sounds like the police there are doing a good job of getting rid of the bad guys either that or the bad guys enjoy commiting suicide by police.[/QUOTE] ClapClapClapClapClapIf innocent people are getting shot at and killed by the police, then I have a problem with it. If criminals are getting shot at and killed by the police, (probably in the execution of their crimes and probably shooting at the police) then I have noproblem with it. Sounds like a good deterrent to me.

  • #125829

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=KiteFlyer]Strikes me that if your a bad guy, carry a gun and shoot at the police you should not be too surprised if they shoot back. Also being better trained and no doubt with more target practice the police are a better shot. Sounds like the police there are doing a good job of getting rid of the bad guys either that or the bad guys enjoy commiting suicide by police.[/QUOTE]

    ClapClapClapClapClap
    If innocent people are getting shot at and killed by the police, then I have a problem with it.
    If criminals are getting shot at and killed by the police, (probably in the execution of their crimes and probably shooting at the police) then I have noproblem with it.
    Sounds like a good deterrent to me.

    [/QUOTE]
    Now we get to the point. Seven guys killed without a trial. Not one cop killed. How many of these kids are just from the favela and shot for being poor? Ir’s like the wild west. Many of my island friends are happy when the cops kill a bunch of people. “Ladrao deve morrer.” I suspect half or more of the people killed are running away and unarmed.

  • #125834

    edit_21
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] How many of these kids are just from the favela and shot for being poor? [/QUOTE] No they are shot for being bad people who carry guns !!!!

  • #125835

    acampos
    Member

    Nice police work on the island of Itaparica. The police caught three murder suspects and a gun.
    Good Job!

    Presos acusados de assassinato em Itaparica

    29/07/2009 – 21h42m

    *Da Redação, com informações de assessoria
    redacao@portalibahia.com.br
    Forampresos, na terça-feira (28), por policiais da 24¬™ Delegacia, nalocalidade de Aratuba, na Ilha de Itaparica, Jackson Jones dos Santos eJosé Ricardo Santos Pereira acusados de terem assassinado EltonMoretino da Silva.
    Eles foram pegos nas imediações do local docrime. A polícia prendeu também, nesta quarta-feira (29) Walter SouzaSantos, também acusado do crime no Terminal Marítimo de São Joaquim.Com ele foi apreendida uma pistola calibre 38 que será enaminhada aoDepartamento de Polícia Técnica (DPT), para perícia. A polícia suspeitaque a arma tenha sido utilizada no crime.
    A motivação do crimefoi a disputa por ponto de tráfico de drogas. Recambiado para omunicípio de Vera Cruz, na tarde de hoje, Wlater deverá ser autuado emflagrante por homicídio.

    bobbyitaparica2009-07-30 18:11:57

  • #125838

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    Now we get to the point. Seven guys killed without a trial. Not one cop killed. [/QUOTE] So the cops are faced with armed felons. Are they supposed to wait until one of them is shot (not shot at) before they fire back? [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]How many of these kids are just from the favela and shot for being poor? [/QUOTE] I doubt very much that nowadays the police use a “death squad” methodology. Of course there may be a few bad apples, but I doubt it’s the norm. What evidence do you have that “half or more of the people killed are running away and unarmed.” None, I’ll warrant.

  • #125842

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    Now we get to the point. Seven guys killed without a trial. Not one cop killed. [/QUOTE]

    So the cops are faced with armed felons. Are they supposed to wait until one of them is shot (not shot at) before they fire back?
    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]How many of these kids are just from the favela and shot for being poor? [/QUOTE]
    I doubt very much that nowadays the police use a “death squad” methodology. Of course there may be a few bad apples, but I doubt it’s the norm.
    What evidence do you have that “half or more of the people killed are running away and unarmed.” None, I’ll warrant.

    [/QUOTE]
    The man recently killed by the police on the island of Itaparica was unarmed. He was the owner of a car that had been used to rob the pharmacy in my neighborhood. They claimed he had a “motorcycle accident.” This was a few weeks ago. The police are investigating.
    So if this happens on the pacific island of Itaparica, one might extrapolate to obtain an idea of what is going on. So seven badguys get killed and only one cop gets wounded? Very strange indeed. The theifs are not stupid. They will return fire if they think they can get away or have the cops out numbered. Notice three suspected murderers captured in Itaparica. The cops don’t have to enter with the guns blazing.
    But back to the point. No outrage by any forum posters about the great quantity of people killed by the police. We have yet to talk about the hugh rate of homocide without the police involved. In Brazil the average male loses 0.7 years of life expectancy due to the haigh rate of homocide. Black youths are four times more likely to be killed than white and homocide is the leading cause of death of youths in Brazil.
    bobbyitaparica2009-07-30 18:55:40

  • #125848

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Must be a lot of homophobes running around then, huh? (Your last sentence probably holds true for the U.S. too.) Bahiana772009-07-30 19:28:27

  • #125850

    It seems to me much of this thread is devoted to the symptoms rather then the cause and cure of the problem.I would list among the causes:
    1)Way too many guns in the wrong hands.
    2)Revolving door justice and incarceration.
    3)Drug abuse which is in my view the core of it all.
    4)And of course our old friend Poverty.
    To elaborate on #2, too often the police make an arrest and a week later see the same guy on the street going about his business.This leads to street justice on the part of law enforcement out of frustration on their part.Without #3 there would be no dealers, less robbery to buy drugs, and less violence.These problems have no easy solutions but perhaps could lead to a more productive discussion.
    Segundavida2009-07-30 19:45:42

  • #125874

    edit_21
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    The man recently killed by the police on the island of Itaparica was unarmed. He was the owner of a car that had been used to rob the pharmacy in my neighborhood. They claimed he had a “motorcycle accident.” This was a few weeks ago. The police are investigating. How did he have a motorcycle accident if he was in a car? I can’t believe the police are that daft.

    So if this happens on the pacific island of Itaparica, one might extrapolate to obtain an idea of what is going on. So seven badguys get killed and only one cop gets wounded? Very strange indeed. The theifs are not stupid. They will return fire if they think they can get away or have the cops out numbered. Notice three suspected murderers captured in Itaparica. The cops don’t have to enter with the guns blazing. Isn’t your island in the South Atlantic? Why is it that seven bad guys, who have no doubt never used their guns much, get killed by police who are trained to use their’s. No surprise there and certainly not strange. Yes the thieves are stupid if they think exchanging gun fire with the police is a good idea. Three “suspected” murderers and one gun but in the case of the three “clowns” shot by the police they had four guns between them and obviously fancied their chances……wrong thing to do.

    But back to the point. No outrage by any forum posters about the great quantity of people killed by the police. We have yet to talk about the hugh rate of homocide without the police involved. In Brazil the average male loses 0.7 years of life expectancy due to the haigh rate of homocide. Black youths are four times more likely to be killed than white and homocide is the leading cause of death of youths in Brazil. No, no outrage at the number of bad people carrying guns that get shot by the police. My support goes to the police not the bad guys. I don’t have any facts of figures but I know from reading the papers the vast majority of killings not involving the police are gang / drug turf war related. Kids see dealing in drugs as a way to gain street cred and money but some other kid will want to steal your patch by taking your life. This happens all over the world not just some little island off Salvador. It’s happening in London every day but there they get knifed to death as guns are harder (not impossible) to come by. Yes black youths are more likely to be involved than white youths for a whole variety of reasons.
    [/QUOTE]

  • #125899

    mastercoop
    Member

    Magellen named the pacific ocean as he did because of its ‘pacific’ nature, and Booby was clearly using this adjective above, rather than the name of the Ocean. As for knife crime in London, London is 3 times the size of Salvador, and the amount of deaths each YEAR by knives is less than one MONTH in Salvador by gun, just by POLICE! Your trust of the police is touching, but my experience of them is as uneducated corrupt thugs with dubious morals and questionable methods. Juninho2009-07-31 08:37:50

  • #125903

    ClaudePeebles
    Participant

    [QUOTE=KiteFlyer]
    The man recently killed by the police on the island of Itaparica was unarmed. He was the owner of a car that had been used to rob the pharmacy in my neighborhood. They claimed he had a “motorcycle accident.” This was a few weeks ago. The police are investigating. How did he have a motorcycle accident if he was in a car? I can’t believe the police are that daft. [/QUOTE]

    Excellent question KF, let me help you out here. Although the said victim “owns” a car, he wasn’t actually driving said car at the time of the alleged accident, he was definitely riding a motorcycle, hence the term “motorcycle accident”

    Trust this is now crystal clear, and by the way, we don’t believe the police are that daft either, good call Sherlock.

  • #126045

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Perhaps those who spend their energy moaning and complaining here could put as much energy into an organization with aims such as this one: http://www.riodepaz.org.br/atividades/manifesto.aspIf you believe as you do, care to start and support a Salvador/Itaparica chapter? Put your money and energy where your mouth is.

  • #126046

    edit_21
    Member

    Sorry Bahiana but these are not the sort of people who would be active in anything let alone something like The River of Peace. It’s just too easy to sit on their backsides and complain. As it said on the site you showed us; “That evil will triumph, it is only necessary that good men to remain inactive.” – Edmund Burke Clap

  • #126069

    mastercoop
    Member

    To be fair, I’m not exactly sitting on my backside. I’m raising 2 small children, have a full time job and do charity work each month at a home for the disabled. I also live thousands of miles from Salvador. I’m sure you however are spending time at this place improving your city.

  • #126074

    edit_21
    Member

    Well Hooray for you Clap

  • #126080

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Juninho]To be fair, I’m not exactly sitting on my backside. I’m raising 2 small children, have a full time job and do charity work each month at a home for the disabled. I also live thousands of miles from Salvador. I’m sure you however are spending time at this place improving your city.[/QUOTE]
    Matthew 6 verse 2

  • #126085

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Terry_2][QUOTE=KiteFlyer]
    The man recently killed by the police on the island of Itaparica was unarmed. He was the owner of a car that had been used to rob the pharmacy in my neighborhood. They claimed he had a “motorcycle accident.” This was a few weeks ago. The police are investigating.

    How did he have a motorcycle accident if he was in a car? I can’t believe the police are that daft. [/QUOTE]
    There was no motorcycle. The cops beat the sh*t out of the guy and dropped him off at the Hospital of Itaparica and the police claimed “here is a motorcyle accident victem.” His wounds were not what a motorcycle accident would cause and the case is under investigation.

    Excellent question KF, let me help you out here. Although the said victim “owns” a car, he wasn’t actually driving said car at the time of the alleged accident, he was definitely riding a motorcycle, hence the term “motorcycle accident”

    Trust this is now crystal clear, and by the way, we don’t believe the police are that daft either, good call Sherlock.

    Yeah sure, cops beat the sh*t out of a guy and he has a “motorcyle accident.”

    [/QUOTE]

  • #126088

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Perhaps those who spend their energy moaning and complaining here could put as much energy into an organization with aims such as this one:

    If you believe as you do, care to start and support a Salvador/Itaparica chapter? Put your money and energy where your mouth is.

    [/QUOTE]
    So how much time and energy have you put into this group with your four years on the island?
    Please don’t tell others to do something you don’t even participate in.
    Yes they have a nice website yet only 22 deputados in two years have endorsed them with no substatial backers.
    I agree education is part of the answer. Cristovam Buarque is a Senator working to federalize the education system. That way teachers could earn decent wages, no longer dependent upon the prefeitura for wages. I will to send him a donation because he is right.
    I have also stated that the police need better training and wages as do those in healthcare. The problem is that the Government prefers to send 10 billion dollars to the IMF rather than pay that money over the years to workers in education, healthcare and public safety.
    Another issue is the corruption. Just Itaparica was to receive about fifty million reais for the PAC (Programa de Accelaracao Economico).” Where did the money go? Where are the public health dengue inspectors? Where is the vector spraying vehicle? Why are people dying of Dengue?
    I do what I can to help the poor people around me. I have given thousands of reais for dental, medical, housing projects, cestas basicas, diapers, leite, and do it because I can.
    So please judge not, lighten up. Just reporting what I see going on. Not moaning at all. I can’t do much to fight the crime wave engulfing the island of Itaparica. Drug dealers killing one another is new for our island and I sure don’t like it. Eight of ten houses in Ponta Areia now have bars. I don’t like it. I see higher walls, more barbed wire and electric fences with big dogs. I don’t like that as well.
    Many parts of Salvador and our island look like jails. Last month I noticed the walls of Itapoa. Once you leave the beach the streets are like corredors of walls ranginging from four to six meters tall. Very sad.
    There is hope, but change must come from the government to prioritize education, health, and public safety and I don’t see that coming soon.
    So where is the outrage? Nobody gives a damn about the 140 people killed by cops so far this year in Salvador alone and the 500,000 murders in Brazil over the last ten years. I believe there will only be change for the good when the people take to the streets in protest and bring about a real change in government. This is not my battle and I am not going to fight it.
    Enjoy you day I certainly enjoy mine.
    bobbyitaparica2009-08-02 01:11:41

  • #126090

    Anonymous

    Is it legal to carry a licensed concealed weapon (hand gun) in Brazil and/or Salvador?

  • #126121

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=troy.online]Is it legal to carry a licensed concealed weapon (hand gun) in Brazil and/or Salvador?[/QUOTE]
    No way. Forget about it. You could get lots of jail time.

  • #126126

    edit_21
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] [QUOTE=Terry_2][QUOTE=KiteFlyer]
    The man recently killed by the police on the island of Itaparica was unarmed. He was the owner of a car that had been used to rob the pharmacy in my neighborhood. They claimed he had a “motorcycle accident.” This was a few weeks ago. The police are investigating. How did he have a motorcycle accident if he was in a car? I can’t believe the police are that daft. [/QUOTE]
    There was no motorcycle. The cops beat the sh*t out of the guy and dropped him off at the Hospital of Itaparica and the police claimed “here is a motorcyle accident victem.” His wounds were not what a motorcycle accident would cause and the case is under investigation.

    Excellent question KF, let me help you out here. Although the said victim “owns” a car, he wasn’t actually driving said car at the time of the alleged accident, he was definitely riding a motorcycle, hence the term “motorcycle accident”

    Trust this is now crystal clear, and by the way, we don’t believe the police are that daft either, good call Sherlock.

    Yeah sure, cops beat the sh*t out of a guy and he has a “motorcyle accident.”[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

    Get it now Terry 2 ???!!!!

  • #126130

    acampos
    Member

    Just another seven murders for today in Salvador.

    01/08/2009 às 19:35

    COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Dois duplos homicídios na RMS

    Juracy dos Anjos, do A TARDE

    Dois duplos homicídios foram cometidos, na tarde deste sábado, 1¬∫, naRegião Metropolitana de Salvador. O primeiro, na cidade de SimõesFilho, aconteceu por volta das 12h35. A identidade dos dois homensmortos por arma de fogo ainda é desconhecida. O crime está sendoinvestigado pela 22¬∞ DP (Simões Filho).
    Os outros dois assassinatos aconteceram no município de Camaçari, às16h30. As vítimas, também do sexo masculino, foram mortas a tiros. Aidentidade também é ignorada. Segundo a Central de Telecomunicações dasPolícias Militar e Civil (Centel), os jovens assassinados aparentam ter18 e 25 anos. O crime é apurado pela delegacia da cidade.

    Das 00h às 19h deste sábado, foram registrados sete assassinatos.

  • #126149

    lmaonade5
    Member

    You think you know a lot about me and my life, my activities, the charities and people I support, BobIt? Nice to be so confident in your own ignorance. ————- Here are 12+ houses within a 3 minute walk of the beach at Ponta Areia. Notice that none has bars or walls, These are only a few in the neighborhood. According to your absurd “statistics” (“Eight of ten houses in Ponta Areia now have bars.” ) , that should mean that you can show at least 96 more houses in town that do have bars. (Are there 96 more houses in town, other than ones like these?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/41110473@N08/3780189939/in/photostream/What you might say (but then you like to distort reality to suit your obsession) is that the houses that may have bars belong to people who weren’t raised on the island and don’t live there full time, have summer houses that they use a couple of weekends a year or just for Carnaval. (No one would really debate the prudence of locking a property you aren’t spending time in, pretty much anywhere in the world, but it doesn’t say much about violence there.) These kids, obviously future trafficantes all, look like they’re really worried about getting caught in the latest crossfire (of your mind) in the so horrifically violent Ponta Areia. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41110473@N08/3780191021/in/photostream/Go ahead BobIt, accuse me of something more. It IS you who twists the truth. Enjoy your sick obsession. It sure seems to make you happy. _____________ (Note: I can’t seem to figure out how to post photos so they are visible, despite instructions from Steel Rat, just URLs. If anybody can give me a tutorial, I’d appreciate it.) Bahiana772009-08-02 08:33:24

  • #126151

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    The kids are more likely to be worried by falling coconuts. It all looks quite idyllic.

  • #126153

    lmaonade5
    Member

    As it is,indeed.

  • #126156

    edit_21
    Member

    Looks great there. The housing is not what I’d define as a favela and the beach looks well kept.Thumbs%20Up

  • #126158

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    You think you know a lot about me and my life, my activities, the charities and people I support, BobIt? Nice to be so confident in your own ignorance.
    ————-
    Here are 12+ houses within a 3 minute walk of the beach at Ponta Areia.
    Notice no adults in either of the photos. Also notice only one house is without bars as windows are not visibe on the other houses.
    Notice that none has bars or walls, These are only a few in the neighborhood. According to your absurd “statistics” (“Eight of ten houses in Ponta Areia now have bars.” ) , that should mean that you can show at least 96 more houses in town that do have bars. (Are there 96 more houses in town, other than ones like these?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/41110473@N08/3780189939/in/photostream/
    What you might say (but then you like to distort reality to suit your obsession) is that the houses that may have bars belong to people who weren’t raised on the island and don’t live there full time, have summer houses that they use a couple of weekends a year or just for Carnaval. (No one would really debate the prudence of locking a property you aren’t spending time in, pretty much anywhere in the world, but it doesn’t say much about violence there.)
    These kids, obviously future trafficantes all, another sarcastic comment from Baihiana 77
    look like they’re really worried about getting caught in the latest crossfire (of your mind) in the so horrifically violent Ponta Areia.
    Ponta Areia is not horrifically violent another lie from the sarcastic venomous Bahiana 77.
    But youths from Ponta Areia borrowed a car and drove over to Barra do Gil and robbed the pharmacy. (about a twenty minute drive.) They returned the car to the owner in Ponta Areia. The cops noticed the car, chased down the owner and beat him to death.
    This incident show the crime wave is touching both of our communities. Didn’t your mother teach you to be kind to others? You have been a rudename calling woman from your first post.
    Go ahead BobIt, accuse me of something more. It IS you who twists the truth. Enjoy your sick obsession. It sure seems to make you happy.
    _____________
    (Note: I can’t seem to figure out how to post photos so they are visible, despite instructions from Steel Rat, just URLs. If anybody can give me a tutorial, I’d appreciate it.)

    [/QUOTE]
    Once again you make silly claims.
    The number about eight of ten homes with bars on windows in Ponta Areia came from last week’s article in “A Tarde,” which included an interview with a resident who had recently installed bars on her house and she said “living here is like living in a jail.”
    I never said living in your little favela is like living in a jail.
    Also the man the cops beat to death an left to die at the hospital of Itaparica was in Ponta Areia as were the kids who borrowed his car to rob the pharmacy in Barra do Gil. Did you know the guy who was a vereador? Do you know the kids?
    All I know about you comes from your ignorant posts. Stuff like asking the opinion children of fishermen of Penha because you have never been there. And later posting lies about the place.
    So in your four years on the island and in Salvador you haven’t noticed the walls going up, more electric fences, bobbed wire, bars on windows?
    Your foto of a few houses on a hill is nice. I suggest you send it to “A Tarde.” They have a comment section on stories. Perhaps you could refute your neighbor who just put bars on her windows and tell the Journal that the reporter got the story wrong.
    Hey I never claimed the kids on your beach were all future traficantes. More silly claims putting your labels on others as usual.
    You have said the public school system is so neglected that the children who study there are doomed to supply “brute labor at minimum wage.”
    Yes Bahiana, there are many beautiful beaches on the island. Ponta Areiea has some nice barracas. No theatre, no cinema, no jaz clubs, no nightclubs, no museums, no universities, no book shops. You do have a dozen or so failing pousadas. I am not picking on Ponta Areia. The description fits the whole island. You certainly are out in the “boonies,” in between the near dead city of Itaparica and Bom Despacho.
    I remember talking with Fernando the then long time owner of “Hotel Icari” near the “Negao.” His hotel has over fifty rooms and is empty for months on end not a single visitor. He explained that he made 95% of his money Dec-Feb. I have also witnessed various pousadas go under.
    The island peaked about thirty years ago then started slipping after the state government started focusing on the Linha Verde.
    When was the last time a dengue inspector came to your house? When was the last time they sprayed your area? Ten years ago they came twice a year. I have the inspection card to prove it. I haven’t had a visit for about two years now.
    bobbyitaparica2009-08-03 18:40:05

  • #126164

    acampos
    Member

    Here is another case of cop killing cop in Salvador.
    The PM claims he defended himself from two attackers and opened fire to save his life. The Policia Civil who died worked in the Centro Historico.

    30/07/2009 às 18:14

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 31/07/2009 às 10:15COMENTÁRIOS (154)

    PM acusado de matar perito-técnico será afastado durante investigações

    Danile Rebouças* – A TARDE

    Fernando Amorim / Agência A TARDE

    Afastamento%20do%20PM%20foi%20anunciado%20pelo%20secretário%20César%20Nunes

    Afastamento do PM foi anunciado pelo secretário César Nunes

    >> Você concorda com a postura adotada pela polícia para resolver este caso?

    Em entrevista coletiva realizada na tarde desta quinta-feira, 30, na sede da Secretaria de SegurançaPública (SSP), o secretário da Segurança Pública, César Nunes, ocomandante-geral da Polícia Militar, coronel Nílton Mascarenhas, e odelegado-chefe da Polícia Civil, Joselito Bispo, anunciaram que o policialmilitar Fagner Castro Santos será afastado de suas atividades duranteas investigações da morte do perito-técnico Hilton Martins Rivas,identificado como o autordos disparos que mataram o perito-técnico Hilton Martins Rivas, de 25anos, na noite desta quarta-feira, 29, no Largo do Santo Antônio Alémdo Carmo.
    Apesar do anúncio, o Sindicato dos Policiais Civis do Estado (Sindpoc),informou que irá manter a paralisação das atividades da categoria,iniciada nesta quinta em decorrência do incidente. “A questão não é queele seja afastado. A questão é que ele seja apresentado para depor na2¬™ Delegacia, que é o procedimento correto”, afirma Bernardino Gayoso,secretário-geral do Sindpoc.

    De acordo com Manoel Francisco Bastos, corregedor daPM, não existe razão para prender alguém que agiu no legítimocumprimento do dever. O perito sacou a arma e, felizmente, o tenenteatirou primeiro. Foi um caso de legítima defesa evoluído do estritocumprimento do dever.

    Com a paralisação, o atendimento à população está suspenso nas delegacias.São realizadas apenas levantamento cadavérico eregistro de flagrantes. A categorai realizou protestos ao longo dia.Pela manhã, manifestantes colocaram uma faixa preta em sinal de lutona frente da secretaria e fecharam a rua com cerca de 30 viaturas comsirenes ligadas. a tarde, os policiais protestaram em frente aoInstituto Médico Legal Nina Rodrigues, na avenida Centenário.

    Investigação – O inquérito para aveguar ascircunstâncias da morte de Rivas será conduzido pelo tenente coronel daPolícia Militar José Reinaldo Barreto. O encarregado das investigaçõesterá o prazo de 40 dias para entregar os autos ao Ministério PúblicoEstadual. Caberá ao órgão então decidir se aceita a denúncia, arquiva oprocesso ou solicita novas diligências. Segundo informações da coletivadesta tarde, todas as provas já foram coletadas no local.

    As investigações serão acompanhadas pela Polícia Civil e pelo MPE,através da coordenadora do Grupo de Atuação Especial para o ControleExterno da Atividade Policial (Gacep), promotora de Justiça IsabelAdelaide Moura. De acordo com nota divulgada pelo MPE nesta tarde, apromotora colheu depoimento de Santos nesta manhã.

    De acordo com o corregedor-chefe, coronel Manoel Francisco Bastos, otenente alegou que Hilton teria reagido à abordagem dos policiais do18¬∫ Batalhão (Centro Histórico), empunhando uma pistola contra osmilitares, tendo sido baleado por conta da atitude. O enterro de Rivasocorreu às 16h30 desta quinta no cemitério Jardim da Saudade.

    *Com redação de Danielle Villela – A TARDE On Line.

  • #126271

    acampos
    Member

    02/08/2009 às 21:30

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 02/08/2009 às 21:56COMENTÁRIOS (14)

    Triplo homicídio em São Caetano marca o final de semana violento em Salvador

    Danile Rebouças , do A TARDE

    Arestides Baptista – AG. A TARDE

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    Um triplo homicídio em Boa Vista de São Caetano marcou um fim desemana violento em Salvador com nove mortes, das 19h de sábado às 14hdeste domingo, 02. Entre as vítimas há dois adolescentes: Lucas dosAnjos Morais, 16, e Deiviton Luan Ferreira da Silva, 17. Ambos forammortos por disparos de arma de fogo nos bairros de Águas Claras eArraial do Retiro, respectivamente.

    O triplo homicídio ocorreu por volta das 21h do último sábado, naTravessa Angélica Rocha, em Boa Vista de São Caetano. A rua estavamovimentada no horário. Crianças e moradores do bairro assistiram aocrime. Conforme relatos, dois carros e uma moto com homens encapuzadoschegaram e dispararam vários tiros contra Josemar Pereira Sacramento,33, e Dilton Jesus Santos, 31, que conversavam sentados no passeio.

    A terceira vítima, o artista plástico Cidclei Pereira da Silva, 36,passava no local na hora do crime, quando voltava da farmácia paracasa. Ao ver os homicidas tentou correr, mas foi atingido e tambémmorreu. Ele não tinha envolvimento com nada, estava no lugar errado nahora errada. Tinha ido comprar pomada para filha, lamentou seu irmão,Maurício Pereira da Silva, 30.

    VÍTIMAS ‚ÄìJosemar era policial militar e estavaafastado da função. Segundo vizinhos que preferiram não se identificar,o motivo seria o uso abusivo de álcool. Mas ele era uma pessoatranquila, de boa convivência e morava com a mãe e dois filhos. JáDilton Jesus Santos morava no Albergue de Roma e teria ido à SãoCaetano levar alimento para suas duas filhas, que moram com aex-mulher, Roberta Miranda, 28. As meninas e eu vimos tudo. Diltonbotou a mão na testa dizendo que não tinha nada a ver e eles deramvários tiros, conta.

    Segundo Roberta, o ex-marido trabalhava com transporte demercadorias na feira de São Joaquim. Disse ainda que quando morava emSão Caetano, ele fumava e vendia droga. Tanto Dilton quanto Cidcleiforam encaminhados para o IML como indigentes, apesar de a família terpassado aos policiais a documentação. Somente Josemar, o PMafastado, foi identificado pela polícia. Chegamos aqui e temos queaguardar para liberarem o corpo. Não entendi porque fizeram isso,reclamou o irmão de Cidclei.

    ADOLESCENTES ‚ÄìNa região de Tancredo Neves/Beiru,onde há cinco dias o governo lançou o programa Território de Paz parareduzir o alto índice de violência, o fim de semana também deixouvítimas. Dois jovens foram atingidos por disparo de arma de fogo quandosaíram de uma festa na casa de um colega, na madrugada de domingo, parapegar mais bebida, conforme relatou a mãe de um deles, Sônia Ferreira,49.

    Deiviton Luan Ferreira da Silva, 17 anos, morreu na hora e seucolega, Luis Alberto Souza Oliveira, 23 anos, levou um tiro no braço,sendo socorrido para Hospital Roberto Santos, onde está fora de perigo.O crime aconteceu na Rua 19 de Julho, em Arraial do Retiro. Deivitonestudava e trabalhava como ajudante de pedreiro.

    A polícia também não sabe os motivos nem o autor dos disparoscontra o adolescente Lucas dos Anjos Morais, 16, que morreu em ÁguasClaras. Conforme relato de sua mãe, Noíldes Morais dos Anjos, 32, Lucashavia aparecido em casa com um celular diferente e ficava o tempo todoconversando com alguém nesse aparelho. O adolescente trabalhava comoajudante de pedreiro.

    Outros quatro homicídios foram registrados em Simões Filho,Ipitanga, Uruguai, São Tomé de Paripe. Este último registrado comolatrocínio, na rua Ailton Melo, por volta de 0h. As autorias não foramidentificadas.

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  • #126337

    lmaonade5
    Member

    BobIt, do you believe everything you read? (If so, I know of a few who won, and subsequently lost again, Pulitzers and such who might have a lot of novel and ‘reliable’ info for you.) Are you so naive that you don’t understand that bad news sells? Whether in the newspaper, online or in TV ratings. Human nature. Get A Tarde to interview all the happy residents? Not likely. And are you so ingenuous that you can’t differentiate sarcasm from fact? Also I can’t understand if you are lamenting the lack of ‘civilization’ (in the form of jazz clubs, bookstores, etc) on this rural (and IMO tranquil) island or complaining about it’s encroachment on the island. Or do you just have an obsession with complaining? You make things up entirely (my ?4?, years on the Island), you assume things that don’t exist (my lack of participation and help), you distort…. and then you expect your every detail to be believed at face value. And you call me names like venomous when I correct falsehoods. I post photos of a neighborhood that show it to be different from described and you nitpick about not seeing adults (whatever that signifies), not seeing visible windows….absurd. I can give you a statistic….100% of the p.m.s I am getting are calling one of us two a jerk…and that one is not me. You’ve purposefully created a substantial permanent archive that links your name to violence and negative energy. I believe you’ll have to live with the consequences, if they haven’t already caught up with you. Bahiana772009-08-04 03:18:30

  • #126677

    815
    Member

    My wife were robbed within thirty minutes of leaving our hotel in Itapoa, a famous beach in Salvador, Bahia.
    I would say it’s a pretty violent place.

  • #126679

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=frank4000]wow, that is sad. She was rough up or just the neccessary items taken? Have you or her ever had that type of experience in the US??[/QUOTE]
    No one was hurt. When they realized we literally had nothing on us except the camera, and they got that, they took off running. I must admit, I was scared because I have heard the stories of disgruntled thieves reacting due to the fact the victim has nothing. This took place in broad day light 11:00 on the calcadao, therefore there were a lot of people around. If it were night…God help us if we had confronted the same sub-species of human!
    Nothing CLOSE to this ever happened to me in the States and I lived in the NY metro area for seven years and the Philadelphia metro area (including Center City) the rest of my life.
    One month ago this happened to me in Morumbi, SP. I am getting pretty sick of giving my stuff to poor people in Brazil AGAINST my will!

  • #126690

    acampos
    Member
    As of Thursday the radio patrols of the PM in Salcador will come to a stop. PM’s complain of low wages, improper training, vehicles unfit for the road, lack of bullet proof vests, lack of proper arms and munition.Confused
    06/08/2009 às 11:44

    – ATUALIZADAàs 12:49COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Policiais militares aprovam operação “Polícia Legal”

    Paula Pitta – A TARDE On Line*

    A partir das 19h desta quinta-feira, 6, policiaismilitares da Bahia dão início à operação “Polícia Legal”. A decisão foitomada em assembleia realizada nesta manhã e significa que os agentesde segurançavão cumprir à risca a Constituição Brasileira que impede o uso deviaturas com irregularidades e atuação sem armamento apropriado ecapacitação, entre outros ítens, como vem ocorrendo, de acordo com odiretor da Associação de Praças e Soldados da PM, Fábio Brito. AConstituição também determina que policiais militares não podem entrarem greve.
    Brito explica ainda que nenhum PM na Bahia fez curso para dirigirviatura de emergência, conforme determina o Código de Trânsito, porisso nenhuma viatura vai sair às ruas durante a operação.“Opoliciamento ostensivo e de rádio-patrulha está 100% prejudicado com aoperação”, afirma Brito.

    Ele também diz que apenas 15% dos coletes à prova de balas estão dentrodo prazo de validade. A categoria, que conta com efetivo de 30 milagentes, também reivindica o pagamento do salário de R$4 mil.Atualmente, eles recebem R$1,7 mil, de acordo com o diretor daAssociação. Os policiais argumentam que o governo não quer negociar.

    A assembleia teve a participação de cerca de 11 mil policiais, deacordo com a categoria. Diversas associações representativas dospoliciais estiveram presentes. Cerca de 400 policiais, que participaramda assembleia, liderados por Marcos Prisco, presidente da Associação dePraças e Soldados da PM, seguem em passeata dos Dendezeiros até aCalçada. Eles estão reunidos em São Joaquim na sede da Rondesp.
    *Com informações da Meire Oliveira – A TARDE

  • #126691

    acampos
    Member

    Cops in Salvador kill another “traficante.” He had 300 grams of crack and of course resisted, opened fire on the cops and was killed.

    06/08/2009 às 09:31

    – ATUALIZADAàs 11:52COMENTÁRIOS (3)

    Líder do tráfico em Narandiba morre em confronto com a PM

    Helga Cirino – A TARDE

    Um homem acusado de liderar o tráfico de drogas em Narandiba morreu, namadrugada desta quinta-feira, 6, em uma ação policial da 23¬™ CompanhiaIndependente da Polícia Militar (CIPM/Tancredo Neves). Além de tráficode drogas, Fernando Lima de Santana, 22 anos, apelidado de Parmalat, éacusados de matar quatro pessoas: Samuel Alves da Silva, Fábio SantosDantas, Ramon de jJsus dos Santos e um homem de identidade ignorada. APM não soube informar quando estes crimes aconteceram. Parmalat tambémé acusado de atear fogo na casa de uma mulher de prenome Simone.

    De acordo com informações de policiais da 23¬™ CIPM, após uma denúnciaanônima, uma equipe se deslocou para a Rua Irmã Dulce, atrás doHospital Geral Roberto Santos (HGRS). Após dar o anúncio de prisão, ospoliciais teriam sido atacados a tiros matando Fernando no revide.

    Atingido em diversas partes do corpo, ele foi socorrido ao HGRS, ondejá chegou sem sinais vitais. Com o acusado, foram encontrados umrevólver calibre 38, 300 gramas de crack, além de uma quantidade decocaína e maconha. O caso foi registrada na 11¬™ CP (Delegacia deTancredo Neves).
    A polícia diz que Parmalat liderava uma quadrilha formada por um homemde prenome Ivan e outros identificados pelos apelidos de “Xexeu”, “Carade Jegue”, “Jau” e “Nado”.

  • #126696

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]Cops in Salvador kill another “traficante.” He had 300 grams of crack and of course resisted, opened fire on the cops and was killed.

    [/QUOTE]

    … well, what did he expect??? Confusedglobetrotter2009-08-06 13:13:29
  • #126746

    acampos
    Member

    For the victims of abuse where to call;
    todas as notícias de CIDADES

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    06/08/2009 às 23:33

    – ATUALIZADAàs 23:34COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Violência contra as mulheres gera cada vez mais inquéritos

    Helga Cirino

    A violência contra a mulher vem encontrando menos tolerância emSalvador. Enquanto em 2001, apenas 46 homens foram indiciados eminquéritos pela prática de crimes contra as mulheres, em 2008 estenúmero cresceu 1.034%, passando a 522 casos. Este ano, somente dejaneiro até julho, o número já chega a 605 ocorrências.

    Três anos depois de a Lei Maria da Penha ‚Äì que estipulou penas maisrigorosas para quem pratica violência doméstica contra as mulheres ‚Äìser promulgada, os dados da Delegacia de Atendimento à Mulher (Deam)indicam um avanço na conquista dos direitos do sexo feminino.

    Apesar de ainda pequeno em relação à quantidade de ocorrências quechegam às especializadas todos os dias, as prisões em flagrante tambémsó cresceram. No ano passado, agentes da Deam registraram 87flagrantes, e este ano o número já é 107 só nos sete primeiros meses.

    Processo ‚ÄìAté a aplicação da Justiça, de fato, aindaserá necessário um longo percurso pela frente. Enquanto no ano passadoa unidade especializada registrou 8.234 ocorrências, no mesmo período,apenas 6,18% desses acusados de violência praticadas contra mulherestiveram as denúncias formalizadas na Justiça, passando de inquéritos aprocessos judiciais.

    São histórias como a de Beatriz*, 44 anos, que após ser espancada pelaterceira vez pelo marido venceu o medo e foi para a Deam-Brotas. Ocompanheiro de 48 anos a agrediu a pauladas depois de encontrá-la numbar em companhia de amigos. Revoltada com as frequentes agressões, amulher tentou acabar com o relacionamento três vezes. Ele já me fezpassar muita vergonha, mas agora não vou permitir mais, diz.

    Até a punição, no entanto, ela vai percorrer um longo e lento caminho.Foi o que avisou uma outra vítima sentada ao lado dela na sala deespera da Deam, anteontem pela manhã.

    Prestei queixa contra meu marido em novembro do ano passado e adelegada marcou a audiência para o mês seguinte. Eu mesma tive deentregar a ocorrência. Até o juiz decretar a prisão dele, fui agredidaquatro vezes, explicou Sandra*, que registrava uma outra queixa de umanova agressão praticada pelo ex-companheiro.

    Quando o agressor responde em liberdade, podemos recorrer às medidasprotetivas. Eles podem ser afastados da residência da vítima e, se nãoobedecerem, ela pode ser encaminhada ao serviço de proteção, explicoua delegada Olveranda Oliveira, titular da Deam localizada em Periperi,unidade inaugurada ano passado, mas que somente este ano já instaurou136 inquéritos.

    A Comissão dos Direitos da Mulher da Assembleia Legislativa realizouanteontem uma audiência pública para discutir o balanço da aplicação daLei Maria da Penha desde o início de sua vigência, há três anos.Participaram do evento a promotora Sara Gama, a defensora públicaFirmiane Venâncio, a delegada Cely Carlos (Deam-Brotas), arepresentante da Rede de Atenção à Mulher em Situação de Violência,Francisca Schiavo.

    Cidadã ‚ÄìInspiradora para a criação da legislação dedefesa dos direitos das mulheres, a biofarmacêutica Maria da Penha MaiaFernandes ‚Äì que lutou por mais de 20 anos pela prisão de seu agressor,responsável pela tentativa de homicídio a tiros que a deixoutetraplégica ‚Äì na próxima segunda-feira recebe o título de cidadãbaiana concedido pela comissão. Maria da Penha ministrará palestra naFaculdade Social da Bahia (FSBA), no dia 9 de setembro, às 18h30. Com otema Direitos Humanos, Justiça e Paz Social, a biofarmacêutica vaicontar sua história de sofrimento na busca por Justiça.

    Para denunciar casos de agressão à mulher:

    Disque Denúncia: 3235-0000
    Central de Atendimento à Mulher: 180
    Defensoria Pública do Estado: 3331-3291
    Deam – Brotas: 71 3116-7000/ 7001
    Deam – Periperi: 71 3117-8217
    Deam – Candeias: 71 3601-3504/ 3031.

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  • #126774

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Which number do I use to report your mental abuse ofthiswoman with all your continuous violence?

  • #126775

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Meanwhile, another typically violent day passes on The Island, as well illustrated by this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41110473@N08/3798628288/

  • #126777

    enchantbeau
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Meanwhile, another typically violent day passes on The Island, as well illustrated by this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41110473@N08/3798628288/[/QUOTE] You mean this photo? beach%20PdA%20by%20Bahiana77.Here’s how. Click right mouse button on the photo you want, from the menu that pops up click on copy. Return to where you want to use the photo i.e ‘post reply’ box on this forum. Put the cursor to the left margin then press Ctrl and V on your keyboard and the picture appears. Nice pic too. delco2009-08-07 12:52:10

  • #126801

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Copy/paste didn’t work for me, came up broken, but thanks for the instructions. (Do we have an emoticon tipping its hat in thanks?) And thanks, about the pic. That’s Ponta de Areia, where I spent part of the day, fighting off muggings from the local youth and corrupt police wanting part of my icy cold beer as a suborno.

  • #126827

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=delco][QUOTE=Bahiana77]Meanwhile, another typically violent day passes on The Island, as well illustrated by this photo:

    [/QUOTE]

    You mean this photo?

    beach%20PdA%20by%20Bahiana77.
    Here’s how. Click right mouse button on the photo you want, from the menu that pops up click on copy. Return to where you want to use the photo i.e ‘post reply’ box on this forum. Put the cursor to the left margin then press Ctrl and V on your keyboard and the picture appears. Nice pic too.

    [/QUOTE]
    This is exactly what I am talking about. The beach may appear peaceful. It may be peaceful. But there are a bunch of scum on the island who take advantage of the peaceful appearance to attack, rape and plunder tourists. I doubt you would this beach after dark. All the more reason to question the youths from Ponta Arteia who borrowed a car to rob a pharmacy in Barra do Gil. As you know the car owner was a vereador from Ponta Areia. The police chased him down and beat the hell out of him. He died at the Itaparica hospital.
    This also makes it clear that these youths who attack people travel to other parts of the island and at time even come from Salvador to do bad things on our island. The attackers are never community members. They go to other parts of the island to do their work. So it doesn’t matter if you are “community member.”
    We have had a handful of murders on Itaparica in the last few months. Once you leave the beach I see higher walls, more electric fences and bobbed wire.
    Sacatur foundation cautions women from walking alone on the beach not far from Itaparica and Ponta Areia due to rape problems.
    I find no joy in the crime wave in Itaparica. Elderly French tourists boaters nearly beaten to death. A catamaran owner was murdered on his boat at 2am. A 14 year old girl from Sao Paulo was raped and her family ransacked. The police have caught the two youths who worked at the barraca next the the forte Sao Lorenco.
    So yes, my gardener lived for 25 years without being knifed over twenty reais. Your opinion will change when the violence touches your life.
    Where do the drug addicts in the 13 bairros of our island with pontos de venda get money to pay for the drugs? There must be plenty of money as now the youths are killing one another for the pontos de venda.
    bobbyitaparica2009-08-07 20:19:44

  • #126840

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] The beach may appear peaceful. It may be peaceful. [/QUOTE] and it is peaceful. [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] I doubt you would this beach after dark. ….. Sacatur foundation cautions women from walking alone on the beach not far from Itaparica and Ponta Areia due to rape problems.[/QUOTE] Women walk on the beach path around the town, going to rehearsals for Sao Joao quadrilha for example, or to the little grocery store(s). As do I. The fisherman are coming and going at all hours of the night on the beach. But many hard working women do not have the luxury of being out and about at night, but must feed families and try to go to bed early to wake up at dawn to start again. [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] So it doesn’t matter if you are “community member.” [/QUOTE] But of course it does, because the members of my community look out for one another and would not just allow someone recognized as from outside come around to do bad to community members. And no one from the community thinks to act badly toward another person from the community because there are repercussions in a place where everyone knows everyone else’s business and all are dependent one on the other. [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] Your opinion will change when the violence touches your life.[/QUOTE] No doubt. But in well over a decade of going pretty much wherever I want and doing whatever I wish at whatever hour, it has not really touched me or anyone I care for, graca a de_s. I think I lead a normal life, much like those of everyone else I know, not a charmed one, with head held erect, not buried in the sand. Bahiana772009-08-08 00:07:01

  • #126875

    acampos
    Member

    Yes Baihiana,
    When some youths from some other part of the island or Salvador decide to attack people in your area due to lack of police, they will pick a site or path with little lighting and go to work.
    It truly has nothing to do with being a “community member” as they are not of the community, just as the youths from Ponta Areia decided to go to Barra do Gil to attack the little pharmacy. A neighbor of yours died after the police killed him. He allowed the youths from Ponta Areia to borrow his car.
    The young ladies who work at the pharmacy were members of their community and it did them no good because the youths from Ponta Areia decided to attack them, not giving a damn where the young ladies are from.
    My gardener was knifed in Salvador even though he is a “good member of his community.”

  • #126878

    acampos
    Member

    todas as notícias de CIDADES

    08/08/2009 às 00:22

    COMENTÁRIOS (38)

    Vendedor diz ter visto suspeito de ter matado médica

    Samuel Lima e Helga Cirino*, do A TARDE

    Claudionor Junior / Agência A TARDE

    Velório%20de%20Rita%20Martinez%20ocorreu%20no%20Campo%20Santo%20até%20a%20madrugada

    Velório de Rita Martinez ocorreu no Campo Santo até a madrugada

    A assessoria de imprensa do Shopping Iguatemi informou que todas asimagens nas quais identificou-se a presença da médica Rita de CássiaTavares Giacon Martinez, 39 ‚Äì encontrada morta na quarta-feira, 05, commarcas de violência ‚Äì já foram encaminhadas à polícia. Entretanto,detalhes das ações registradas pelo circuito de câmeras doestabelecimento não foram divulgados pela assessoria, tampouco pelosinvestigadores da Delegacia de Homicídios, à frente do caso.

    Temos o material, sim, mas não podemos adiantar nada. Estamosseguindo denúncias e realizando buscas sem parar. Só poderemos divulgarquando tivermos algo concreto, relatou Clóvis Santos, chefe deinvestigação da DH. Até o fechamento desta edição, equipes lideradaspelas delegadas Andréa Ribeiro e Dalva Cardoso realizavam buscas naregião em que o corpo foi encontrado ‚Äì a localidade de Fazenda Lagoa,pertencente a São Sebastião do Passé (Grande Salvador).

    Uma testemunha chegou a ser ouvida por policiais do município.Segundo o chefe de investigação da delegacia local, Márcio Xavier, umvendedor de frutas disse ter escapado por pouco de ser atropelado porum carro que partia em alta velocidade da Fazenda Lagoa ‚Äì supostamenteo GM Zafira da médica, abandonado às margens da BR-324, tendo a bordo,adormecida, a filha de 1 ano e 8 meses da vítima.

    O vendedor contou que voltava para casa, quando o carro passou eele teve que se jogar no barranco para não ser atropelado. Disse queainda conseguiu ver que, ao volante, estava um homem branco, alto e decabelos lisos. Cerca de um quilômetro à frente, se deparou com o corpoda médica, narrou o agente.

    Velório ‚ÄìDe acordo com familiares, o corpo de Rita deCássia será sepultado neste sábado, 08, em São Paulo (SP), sua cidadede origem. O traslado só não ocorreu nesta sexta porque, conformeparentes, dependia da liberação de documentos. Como forma de últimahomenagem dos amigos que Rita de Cássia conquistou nos dez anos em queresidiu em Salvador, o corpo dela foi velado na capela do cemitérioCampo Santo até esta madrugada.

    Além de familiares e amigos, estiveram presentes no velóriofuncionários do Hospital Santa Izabel, onde a médica pediatratrabalhava, e integrantes da Marinha ‚Äì Rita de Cássia serviu comoprimeira-tenente médica no Hospital Naval, entre 2003 e 2008. Ela foibarbaramente assassinada. Todos estamos expostos a essa insegurança,desabafou Antônio Satélite, familiar.

    Os investigadores não descartaram a hipótese de que Rita de Cássiatenha sido vítima de um latrocínio (roubo seguido de morte). Ela teriasaído de casa, na Pituba, por volta de 8 horas, em companhia da filha,para comprar o presente de Dias dos Pais no shopping. A médica estevejunto com a filha na loja do Iguatemi às 11 horas de quarta-feira epermaneceu no estabelecimento por cerca de quinze minutos.

    Segundo os vendedores, ela comprou uma calça e uma camisa para omarido, o também médico Márcio Martinez, e foi embora. Mostrou-setranquila e chegou a brincar com a filha na hora de pagar a compra,dando o cartão para que a criança pagasse, relataram os vendedores.Nenhum dos funcionários disse ter notado qualquer movimento suspeito naloja.

    O que você achou desta matéria?

    Jussineide Cavalcante (08/08/2009 – 18:43)

    Aestória está mal contada, ou estamos diante de psicopatas assassinosesanguinários, pois a pessoa se dar ao trabalho de sequestrar e ñemsequer fazer um só saque com os cartões roubados, ainda com a víitimaviva? Parece crime de mando

    Ricardo (08/08/2009 – 18:29)

    Estahistória esta esquisita.Certamente é um crime bárbaro, mas parece coisa mandada. Sendo a médicasegundo tenente da Marinha eles tem meios mais eficientes parainvestigar este crime horroroso, nossa pobre policia civil passa pormomentos complicados.

    Sheila (08/08/2009 – 18:15)

    Violênciaé violência, isso dai é indicutivel e lamentável, mas percebe-se quequando se trata de alguém com o poder aquisitivo maior, há também maiorempenho da policia em resolver o caso. Quantos pobres morremcovardemente nesta cidade, e ouve-se apenas a triste notícia, e depoiscai no esquecimento, acredito que tais crimes nem investigado são. Esteé nosso Brasil, onde domina a impunidade, a criminalidade, e onde e halei apenas para os mais fortes.

    Isabelle Coutinho (08/08/2009 – 17:43)

    QueDeus conforte essa família! Vejo que vivemos em um país que se preocupamuito em solucionar o problema e não a “causa” do problema, ou seja,falam em segurança, pena de morte… mas infelizmente não se falam emsolucionar a raiz do problema, que seria por exemplo o controle denatalidade e diminuir a desigualdade social. As autoridades públicas sóse preocupam com os seus interesses pessoais… enquanto isso os”otários” (a sociedade) só pagando impostos pra sustentar essesimprestáveis.

    Uziel Lopes Carvalho (08/08/2009 – 17:05)

    Ètriste para todos nos que somos mãe, filha entender tamanha violência.Passam nas nossas cabeças tantas duvidas quanto às soluções para casoscomo este. A Violência esta posta nas nossas vidas e o governo tem aobrigação moral de resolver e diminuir, Pois recursos financeiros foramdisponibilizados recentemente para o PT da Bahia. Então resolva issogovernador.

    Uziel Lopes Carvalho (08/08/2009 – 16:54)

    Tantaviolência em nossa querida Salvador, o que nos impressiona e deixamchocados é a crueldade com a vida humana. A Policia tem a obrigaçãomoral de resolver tamanha violência, é isso que todos nós baianosesperando do governo do PT, titularizado como o governo de todos nós.Reduzir a tamanha violência contra os miseráveis da nossa cidade eagora atinge uma pessoa socialmente privilegiada. É obrigação dogoverno do PT>

    Claudio Ditadura (08/08/2009 – 16:15)

    pena de morte, ja !

    Zelia Barbosa (08/08/2009 – 15:51)

    Meu Deus,quanta violencia!!!

    Leila Campos (08/08/2009 – 14:36)

    Nãopodemos cruzar os braços diante de tal barbaridade. Eu tive aoportunidade de conheser essa profissional que era a Dr.Rita de Cassiaao convesar com ela sob o diagnostico de minha sobrinha, pude vé oquanto ela era humana e sensivél ao lidar com seus pequenos pacientes,sempre calma,doce e meiga. Que Deus coloque Rita ao lado do seualtar.Que ela repouse em paz essa é a minha oração!

    Júlio (08/08/2009 – 14:07)

    Por essas e outras eu sou a favor da pena de morte!

    Arlindo Vidal (08/08/2009 – 13:44)

    Monstrosexistem muitos, e os péssimos exemplos estão aí estampados na mídiaencabeçados por essa casta nefasta de políticos e autoridades omissasque só buscam o benefício pessoal.Chega! Precisamos tomar atitudes sérias para banir do nosso meio osmentores desse quadro sofrível.Quem serão os próximos? Certamente alguns de nós cidadãos, seresdesprotegidos e jogados às feras. Porque será que só se fala emdireitos humanos para esses marginais? E as vítimas, que sequer sãoamparadas?

    Manoel Felipe (08/08/2009 – 12:52)

    Oproblema é que a juventude está perdida em decorrência dessas leisabsurdas criadas com pseudo intuíto de protege-las (Estatuto da Criançae Adolescente).Tem que haver punição mais rigorosa! No Irã corta-se as mãos, aqui,damos guarida!!!

    Maria Helena (08/08/2009 – 12:51)

    Acreditoque esse se torne mais um caso que a Delegacia de Homicídios nãoconsiga resolver, se eu fosse o Governador do Estado cobraria açõesdirecionadas ao Secretário de Segurança, colocando a frente uma equipecapacitada para tal evento.

    Boca Nervosa (08/08/2009 – 12:35)

    Comopode uma pessoa que estudou e se dedicou para cuidar do seu próximosofre uma barbarie dessas? Uma coisa dessas deve est”a além doentendimento da mente humana. ou será que alguém tem explicações? E seesse crime foi a mando eu estou aqui sem querer acreditar que tenhamfeito isso com ela. será que foi ele? Tantos bandidos soltos e presos,sendo sustentados pelo nosso dinheiro. Se Deus está lá em cima garantoque não está olhando para a Terra. Bom quem quiser que reze. Eu perdi aespera.

    Emanuel Souza (08/08/2009 – 12:21)

    Quepaís é esse? Que Estado é esse? Que cidade é essa? Que bairro é esse?Se nós formos regredindo essa pergunta chegaremos em nós mesmo. O queeu quero dizer com isso é que a violência não escolhe mas país, cidade,bairro ou quem quer que seja, estamos reféns de uma gritante violênciasem pressedente, onde se mata por nada, e a vida humana infelismentevale nada. É chocante e revoltante ver a notícia da morte dessa médicae a forma que tudo isso aconteceu, que violência é essa??????

  • #126881

    acampos
    Member

    Shooting at Shopping Lapa:
    todas as notícias de CIDADES

    08/08/2009 às 18:41

    – ATUALIZADAàs 21:18COMENTÁRIO (0)

    PM é confundido com assaltante, atira e fere dois

    Carine Aprile e Aguirre Peixoto – A Tarde

    Fernando Amorim – A Tarde

    Tumulto%20se%20espalhou%20por%20regiões%20próximas%20à%20Rua%20Coqueiro%20da%20Piedade

    Tumulto se espalhou por regiões próximas à Rua Coqueiro da Piedade

    Quem foi comprar o presente do Dia dos Pais no Shopping Center Lapa natarde deste sábado, 8, se deparou com momentos de pânico. Por volta das15h, uma confusão na Rua Coqueiro da Piedade, em frente à entrada docentro comercial, resultou em duas pessoas baleadas, sendo umagravemente ferida. O incidente envolveu um policial militar e quatroseguranças contratados pelos lojistas.

    Houve correria, brigas e desmaios. Ao ouvir os tiros, as pessoastentaram se esconder dentro das lojas da rua e dos shoppings Lapa ePiedade. Os seguranças dos shoppings fecharam as portas, durante 30minutos para evitar mais confusão.

    O fato teve duas versões diferentes. O tenente coronel e comandantedo 18¬∫ Batalhão da Polícia Militar, José Jorge Nascimento, informou queo policial Lázaro Emanuel Batista Quintela, lotado no mesmo batalhão,andava, à paisana, entre os camelôs da Rua Coqueiro da Piedade, quandofoi imobilizado por um dos seguranças, que suspeitou que ele fosse umassaltante.

    Outros seguranças vieram e também começaram a bater no policial.Para se defender, ele atirou, afirma o tenente. Três tiros foramdisparados. Um deles acertou o segurança de prenome Ednei na coxadireita, próximo a veia femural. Outro disparo atingiu, de raspão, umadas panturrilhas de Osvaldo Francisco Latão, 52 anos, que passava pelolocal . Os dois foram levados para o Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE) eEdnei encontra-se internado na unidade de terapia intensiva (UTI) daunidade.

    Já na versão de testemunhas, o policial Lázaro Quintela teria sidoimobilizado porque o segurança o viu tentando roubar a bolsa de umamulher. Lázaro estava bem-vestido. Trajava uma calça jeans e blusasocial verde. Mas ladrão não tem cara, nem roupa. Naquela rua tem todotipo de ladrão. O segurança não ia deixar de impedir um assalto porqueo cara estava bem-vestido, revela a testemunha.
    Lázaro chegou a cair no chão, segundo testemunhas, e antes de iniciaros disparos teria se apresentado como policial. Um dos ambulantes, quenão quis se identificar, afirmou que outro policial, também à paisana earmado, chegou a tentar algemar Lázaro, mas quando o ouviu dizendo queera policial, hesitou e guardou as algemas. Foi aí que Lázaro conseguiupegar a sua arma e fazer os disparos.

    A polícia conduziu o PM para a 1¬™ Delegacia, nos Barris, juntamentecom um dos ambulantes e um segurança, para prestar depoimento. Como opolicial estava à paisana, ele não precisa ser ouvido pelaCorregedoria. O caso vai ser analisado pela Justiça comum, que vaideterminar se foi legítima defesa ou não, explica o comandanteNascimento.

  • #126883

    Fionali
    Member

    I’m sorry bobbyit but I find your hobby of constantly cutting and pasting L—-O—-N—-G articles from newspapers on to this forum very irksome. If you want to make a comment please write one like the rest of us. I think your methods are counter productive on a “discussion” forum.

  • #126887

    aagrin
    Member

    To be fair sandy he did start the thread, if it was on an other thread that he didn’t start then fair enough.Embarrassed

  • #126894

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=sandyJP]

    I’m sorry bobbyit but I find your hobby of constantly cutting and pasting L—-O—-N—-G articles from newspapers on to this forum very irksome. If you want to make a comment please write one like the rest of us. I think your methods are counter productive on a “discussion” forum.

    [/QUOTE] ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapThat’s what I’ve been saying all along.

  • #126899

    lmaonade5
    Member

    And now he’s adding articles about domestic violence to bolster his “statistics”, a problem that is, sadly, hardly exclusive to Salvador. I can only see negative repercussions for anyone so obsessed by the topic of violence as he is.

  • #126900

    ClaudePeebles
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Please do not feed the troll anymore,folks, or we’ll be inundated with this crap forever.Let the thread die,or let him wallow in it by himself.[/QUOTE]

    Wise words indeed from page 1, it’s a shame they weren’t adhered to.

    After 19 pages and 185 replies, this troll is the best fed on the forum.

  • #126901

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Terry_2]

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Please do not feed the troll anymore,folks, or we’ll be inundated with this crap forever.Let the thread die,or let him wallow in it by himself.[/QUOTE]

    Wise words indeed from page 1, it’s a shame they weren’t adhered to.

    After 19 pages and 185 replies, this troll is the best fed on the forum.

    [/QUOTE] Trouble is it was on page 1 and got forgotten about. I, for one, will now leave this thread – never to return (I’ll try, honest! Smile). Having taken the bait, I’m now releasing it, and treating the thread with the contempt it (now) deserves… though unfortunately I doubt it will die (BobIt will make sure of that even when he is safely tucked up in the USA). It’s a shame that newbies will be drawn to this thread and may be dissuaded from finding out more about both Salvador and Gringoes.com. I bid you adieu…. see you on the other threads.Sleepy

  • #126925

    acampos
    Member
    Right, over 140 people killed by the police in Salvador so far this year and there is no outrage by the trolls who claim this thread might hurt tourism. You guys must be joking. Nobody pays attention to a thread on a forum of people who reside in Brazil. This is “Vent your frustrations, Violence in Salvador.”
    You guys post comments like “if you live in a nice house expect bad things to happen.” Pure nonsense.
    In any city of the US or Europe if the police had killed 140 people as of end of July, you would have riots.
    Gunfire erupts at Shopping Lapa. Ho-hum.
    One poster here was attacked within 30 minutes in Itapoa and his wife was robbed of her camera. I spent some time in Itapoa recently and once you leave the beach all you see are tall walls topped with bobbed wire.
    I live half the year in the Salvador area and have noticed the walls going higher, shop owners closing earlier. It is clear the drug problem is getting worse and the tourists are targeted for criminal attacks.
    I have observed at first hand how the island of Itaparica is hurting by the crime wave which is exported to the island from Salvador.

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    bahia -21.07.2009 – 13h00

    Tráfico de drogas invade 14 comunidades em Itaparica

    Jorge Gauthier – Redação CORREIO* – Fotos: Marina Silva e Antonio Saturnino

    Otráfico de drogas imprime o medo nas 14 comunidades que formam omunicípio de Itaparica. O local predileto para o veraneio de muitosmoradores de Salvador tornou-se atrativo para abrigar traficantesforagidos da capital baiana.


    Líder comunitário da região de Marcelino diz que a polícia não entra na comunidade depois das 8h da noite
    (Foto: Marina Silva)

    Em comunidades como Marcelino e Alto das Pombas, os bandidoschegam a ordenar toque de recolher. Todos os dias às 18h temos quefechar as portas do comércio para que a droga passe pela rua. Quem nãocumprir isso morre, revelou a proprietária de um estabelecimento doAlto das Pombas que pediu sigilo de identidade temendo represálias.

    Porto Santos, Bela Vista e Urbis são outros distritos onde aação do tráfico é mais forte na cidade. O delegado Carlos Sanches,interino da 19¬™ Delegacia de Polícia (Itaparica), admite que a maiorparte das ações criminosas na cidade são provocadas pelosentorpecentes. Infelizmente, o tráfico impera aqui. Tivemos redução nonúmero de assaltos, mas na maioria das comunidades há traficantesatuando, explica o delegado.

    Dos 28 presos que estavam custodiados na segunda-feira (20) naunidade policial, 24 tinham acusações ligadas ao tráfico de drogas.Destes, cerca de 80% são de outras cidades. A maioria vem atuar aquiporque foi expulso do mundo do crime de Salvador. Tem muito traficanteaqui de Tancredo Neves, Engomadeira e Sussuarana, completa Sanches.

    Um líder comunitário da comunidade de Marcelino, apontada comoa principal área de tráfico da cidade,conta que a polícia não entra naregião após as 20h. Os policiais alegam que a ausência de asfaltoimpede que as viaturas entrem nas ruas no período noturno, pois sehouver perseguição fica complicado. Eles têm é medo, pois tem muitopolicial que mora no Marcelino e não pode fazer operação por lá senão afamília sofre represália, revela o morador que preferiu não seidentificar.

    Lucio Ubiracê, delegado titular da 24¬™ Delegacia dePolícia(Vera Cruz), cidade vizinha a Itaparica, admite que osmunicípios da Ilha se tornaram refúgio predileto de traficantes, masgarante que a polícia tem feito combate efetivamente aos bandidos.

    Desde o início do ano já tivemos pelo menos quatro autos deresistência à prisão [morte em confronto] de bandidos da capital,conta. Pela proximidade, as duas delegacias trabalham de formaintegrada.

    Reflexos do crime o avançodas drogas em Itaparica e regiãoafugenta visitantes e prejudica o comércio. Antônio Carlos Pereira,vice-presidente da associação comercial de Vera Cruz e do sindicato doscomerciantes da Ilha, indica que nos últimos seis meses, apesar da quedado número de assaltos, o índice de arrombamentos aos estabelecimentoscontinua elevado.

    O crack tomou conta da cidade. Há pelo menos um assalto emcomércio por semana praticado por usuários que roubam para comprardroga, preocupa- se o comerciante, que mantém uma pousada em MarGrande.

    O funcionário público Jorge Gomes da Cruz, 67 anos, que há 46anos vive em Itaparica, conta que tem medo de sair de casa no períododa noite em função do tráfico de drogas. Tem alguns dias que você nãopode sair de casa. Eu respeito isso em temor à minha vida e à de meusdez filhos, conta o morador da comunidade Alto das Pombas.

    Estradas
    Oestado deconservação precário da rodovia que liga a avenida Beira-Mar àsprincipais praias do município de Itaparica facilita as açõescriminosas na cidade.

    O motorista Rosevaldo Mascarenhas dos Santos, que há dez anostransporta passageiros entre os distritos de Itaparica, reclama quediariamente precisa conviver com a ação de assaltantes, que seaproveitam dos buracos na pista para abordar passageiros. Os assaltosaqui são constantes. Os ladrões ficam escondidos nos matagais e esperamos carros reduzirem a velocidade nos buracos para atacar, indica.

    O Departamento de Infraestrutura de Transportes da Bahia (Derba),responsável pela pista, informou que vinha fazendo manutençãorotineira, mas suspendeu as ações em função das chuvas.

    Magalhães rebate declarações
    De férias, otitular da 19¬™ DP (Itaparica), delegado José Magalhães Filho, afirmouque não existe toque de recolher imposto por traficantes em Itaparica eclassificou as declarações como mentirosas.


    Magalhães diz que não existe toque de recolher em Itaparica
    (Foto: Antonio Saturnino)

    Ele prometeu ir nesta terça-feira (21) ao município, depois doenterro do policial. Por que esse pessoal não vem falar comigo? Só secomeçou de 10 dias para cá (o toque de recolher). Em lugar pequeno, opovo gosta de conversar, desdenhou.

    Magalhães assume que existe dificuldade de ação em apenas umalocalidade: o Marcelino, próximo ao Terminal de Bom Despacho. Acomunidade está situada em um morro, onde o acesso é ruim, íngreme.Temos só uma entrada, mas quem está lá dentro tem pelo menos seis rotasde fuga, justificou o delegado, pontuando que não existe guerra dotráfico no município. Não houve uma morte associada ao tráfico. Agora,o roubo está (associado ao tráfico).

    Magalhães assumiu a delegacia em fevereiro diante da repercussão dosroubos e mortes no município. Alçado ao posto de salvador da pátria, emplena sexta-feira 13 (de fevereiro), prometeu acabar com acriminalidade em 15 dias.

    Moradores vivem atrás das grades
    Para convivercom o medo gerado pela insegurança, a população de Itaparica precisamorar atrás das grades. Oito das dez casas da Rua do Rio, localizada nodistrito Ponta de Areia, por exemplo, têm janelas e portas protegidaspor barras de ferro.


    Dona Belizaura colocou grades em toda a casa por conta da violência
    (Foto: Marina Silva)

    Os moradores acumulam histórias de arrombamentos nos imóveis eassaltos à mão armada. A dona de casa Belizaura Freire Fernandes, 65anos, membro do Fórum de Organizações Não Governamentais da Ilha deItaparica, atribui o pânico que a obrigou a colocar grades até najanela do banheiro à ação do tráfico de droga.

    O problema da Ilha é a droga. Transformei minha casa em umapenitenciária depois de sucessivos assaltos, conta a idosa que mora naIlha há 25 anos. Vizinha de Belizaura, a também dona de casa Joselitados Santos, 31 anos, conta que vários moradores chegaram a venderimóveis na rua em função do grande número de arrombamentos.

    Vivo aqui desde que nasci e, nesses últimos anos, as coisaspioraram muito. Temos que ficar presos em casa para não sermosassaltados ou até mesmo morrer, indigna-se.

    No entanto, mesmo a presença de grades nas janelas não ésuficiente para livrar os moradores da comunidade de Marcelino da açãodos criminosos. Aqui o que impera é a lei do tráfico. Bandidos usam ascasas para abrigar os olheiros. Quem não colabora sofre represálias epode pagar até com a própria vida, diz um líder comunitário do bairroque não quis se identificar. Ele já encaminhou diversos pedidos dereforço de segurança para o bairro ao Ministério Público e à Secretariade Segurança Pública.

    Crimes em Itaparica

    25 roubos a pedestres e veranistas foram registrados no primeiro semestre. Em todo 2008, foram 44.

    11casas comerciais foram roubadas de janeiro a junho. Em todo o ano de 2008, foram 16.

    3homicídios dolosos foram registrados no primeiro semestre, contra 2 do mesmo período. 3 existe guerra do tráfico no município.

    Trajetória do crime na ilha

    27 – dez – 2008– Os franceses Jean Maxime, 62anos, e Michelle Caudra, 60, foramassaltados por dois ladrões dentro dobarco em que viajavam, na Marina de Itaparica, às 6h. Além de roubarrelógios, notebooks, celulares e cerca de R$20 mil em espécie, a duplade assaltantes agrediu a pauladas o casal, que precisou ficar internadopor dois dias no Hospital Roberto Santos.

    08 – fev – 2009– O empresário paranaense AbelAguilar, 36 anos, sócio da empresa de aluguel de barcos SalvadorCharters, foi morto comum tiro na mandíbula e outro no peito durante umassalto no catamarã Pico Alto. Aguilar foi alvejado por dois homens queentraram na embarcação e deram a voz de assalto. Aguilar teria reagidoe por esse motivo foi baleado.

    09 – fev – 2009– SSP exonera o delegado deItaparica, Ruy Araújo. O homicídio do velejador Abel Aguilar, somadoaos casos seguidos de assaltos a turistas e visitantes da Ilha deItaparica, além das reclamações dos próprios moradores, valeram acabeça dele. Em seu lugar, foi anunciado o nome do polêmico delegadoJosé Magalhães, até então titular da 24¬™DP, de Vera Cruz.

    10 – fev – 2009– O CORREIO publica o desabafo deJoão Ubaldo Ribeiro. O escritor disse que as recentes mortes ocorridasem Itaparica, o levama crer que Jaques Wagner está governando a Bahiacomo se fosse a casa da mãe Joana‚Äô. Para o governador, o desabafo doescritor vai além da indignação legítima de qualquer cidadão, chegandoao limite da deselegância‚Äô.

    13 – fev – 2009 –O governador Jaques Wagner visitaa ilha e promete a criação de um complexo policial integrado, queficará situado entre as ilhas de Vera Cruz e Itaparica, o aumento docontingente policial e a incorporação de novas viaturas

    04 – mar – 2009– Vinte dias após ser empossado nocargo, o delegado José Magalhães, declara, em entrevista a uma rádio deSalvador que pediu ao secretário de Segurança Pública, César Nunes,para ser transferido de delegacia de Itaparica. Um acordo não-cumpridosobre sua estadia ‚Äì pago comdinheiro do seu próprio bolso – seria opivô de sua saída.

    15 – mar – 2009– Quatro homens invadem o Centro deTreinamento de Líderes, rendem um funcionário e obrigam ele a abrirtodas as portas. O objetivo seria um atentado contra o delegadoMagalhães. Eles gritavam que não queriam nada, apenas pegar o delegadoMagalhães. Invadiram todos os quartos do convento e arrombaram asportas. Não levaram nada , disse o delegado ao CORREIO.

    03 -jul – 2009– Quatro homens invadem o Centro deTreinamento de Líderes, rendem um funcionário e obrigam ele a abrirtodas as portas. O objetivo seria um atentado contra o delegadoMagalhães. Eles gritavam que não queriam nada, apenas pegar o delegadoMagalhães. Invadiram todos os quartos do convento e arrombaram asportas. Não levaram nada , disse o delegado ao CORREIO.

    *Colaborou Marianna Rios

    (notícia publicada na edição impressa do dia 21/07/2009 do CORREIO)

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  • #127314

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    13/08/2009 às 19:44

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    Jovem de 18 anos é assassinado no Curuzu

    ATARDE On Line

    Umhomem de 18 anos foi assassinado a tiros na Rua da Alegria, no Largo doCuruzu, por volta das 16h30 desta quinta-feira, 13. De acordo com apolícia, o corpo de Emanuel da Silva Ferreira ainda está no local docrime. Ainda não há informações sobre a autoria do homicídio.
    O assassinato será investigado pela 2¬™ CP (Delegacia da Liberdade).

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  • #127315

    acampos
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    odas as notícias de CIDADES

    14/08/2009 às 16:52

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    Tiroteio entre traficantes deixa um morto e dois feridos em Tancredo Neves

    A TARDE On Line

    Umhomem foi assassinado e dois ficaram feridos após um tiroteio entretraficantes em uma localidade conhecida como Buracão, no bairro deTancredo Neves, por volta das 13h desta sexta-feira, 14. De acordo coma polícia, Anderson Brito de Oliveira, 22 anos, ainda foi levado aoHospital Geral Roberto Santos, mas não resistiu aos ferimentos. Asoutras duas vítimas estão internadas nesse hospital.
    Os crimes serão investigados pelos agentes da 11¬™ CP (Delegacia de Tancredo Neves).
  • #127479

    acampos
    Member

    So on the beautiful island of Itaparica, in the prefeitura of Itaparica, (under 20 thousand residents) a young drug dealer is found deadwith six bullets in his body. He was wanted by the police and had ahistory of breaking and entering and robbery.
    Neighbors in Marcelino and Alto das Pombas near Itaparica complain that businesses must close at 6pm as the drug dealers impose a curfew.
    Porto Santo, Bela Vista and Urbis are also known as drug infested areas.
    The surprisingly sad thing is that theses surrounding communities of Itaparica are piss pot poor and youths are killing one another to sell drugs there.

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    Salvador – Bahia
    17 de Agosto de 2009

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    bahia -16.08.2009 – 10h49

    Morre um dos líderes do tráfico de drogas da região da Ilha de Itaparica

    Redação CORREIO

    Umdos homens mais procurados pela polícia da Ilha de Itaparica foiassassinado na madrugada deste domingo (16). Pedro Mário eraconsiderado por policiais um dos líderes do tráfico de drogas em toda aregião da Ilha.

    Ele foi morto com seis tiros em um terreno do bairro de Marcelino,conhecido por ser uma área que concentra o comércio de drogas. Segundopoliciais da delegacia de Itaparica, o delegado Magalhães já haviasolicitado a prisão preventiva de Pedro Mário. O motivo do assassinatoe o autor dos disparos ainda são desconhecidos.

    Domínio do tráfico

    O tráfico de drogas imprime o medo nas 14 comunidades que formam omunicípio de Itaparica. O local predileto para o veraneio de muitosmoradores de Salvador tornou-se atrativo para abrigar traficantesforagidos da capital baiana.

    Em comunidades como Marcelino e Alto das Pombas, os bandidos chegama ordenar toque de recolher. Todos os dias às 18h temos que fechar asportas do comércio para que a droga passe pela rua. Quem não cumpririsso morre, revelou a proprietária de um estabelecimento do Alto dasPombas que pediu sigilo de identidade temendo represálias.

    Porto Santos, Bela Vista e Urbis são outros distritos onde a ação dotráfico é mais forte na cidade. O delegado Carlos Sanches, interino da19¬™ Delegacia de Polícia (Itaparica), admite que a maior parte dasações criminosas na cidade são provocadas pelos entorpecentes.Infelizmente, o tráfico impera aqui. Tivemos redução no número deassaltos, mas na maioria das comunidades há traficantes atuando,explica o delegado.

    Dos 28 presos que estavam custodiados na segunda-feira (20) naunidade policial, 24 tinham acusações ligadas ao tráfico de drogas.Destes, cerca de 80% são de outras cidades. A maioria vem atuar aquiporque foi expulso do mundo do crime de Salvador. Tem muito traficanteaqui de Tancredo Neves, Engomadeira e Sussuarana, completa Sanches.

    Um líder comunitário da comunidade de Marcelino, apontada como aprincipal área de tráfico da cidade,conta que a polícia não entra naregião após as 20h. Os policiais alegam que a ausência de asfaltoimpede que as viaturas entrem nas ruas no período noturno, pois sehouver perseguição fica complicado. Eles têm é medo, pois tem muitopolicial que mora no Marcelino e não pode fazer operação por lá senão afamília sofre represália, revela o morador que preferiu não seidentificar.

    Lucio Ubiracê, delegado titular da 24¬™ Delegacia de Polícia (VeraCruz), cidade vizinha a Itaparica, admite que os municípios da Ilha setornaram refúgio predileto de traficantes, mas garante que a políciatem feito combate efetivamente aos bandidos.

    (Com informações do repórter Jorge Gauthier)

    bobbyitaparica2009-08-17 06:42:39

  • #127591

    acampos
    Member

    Yes the youths who brutally attacked the French couple senior citizen boaters near the Itaparica Marina were caught in Amoreira, right next to Ponta Areia. The French couple had to return to France for facial reconstruction.
    Situada na beira mar da Praia de Amoreiras,município de Itaparica entre as localidades de Manguinhos e Ponta deAreia , distante 5 quilômetros do Terminal de Ferry e Catamarã BomDespacho, vindo pela estrada estadual BA 533 (Beira Mar) e 5quilômetros da cidade de Itaparica.

    17/08/2009 às 12:48

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    Polícia prende acusados de espancar casal francês na ilha de Itaparica

    Paula Pitta – A TARDE On Line

    Dois homensacusados de espancar um casalde franceses na Ilha de Itaparica, no ano passado, foram presos namadrugada desta segunda-feira, 17. Washington Luis dos Santos,conhecido como “surdo” e Márcio Andrade, chamado de “Bal”, foramdetidos no Loteamento Amoreira, na Ilha. De acordo com o delegado JoséMagalhães, titular da 19¬™ CP, foram encontradas 370 pedras de crack comos acusados.

    Magalhães informou que a polícia localizou os presos – que tambémsão acusados de assaltar lojas na ilha – após denúncia. O espancamentodo casal aconteceu no dia 28 de dezembro de 2008, quando Jean Maxime eMichele Caudre estavam a bordo de um barco ancorado na Baía de Todos osSantos. Além de espancar o casal, os criminosos roubaram dinheiro,noteboks, joias e outros objetos.

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    acampos
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  • #128079

    acampos
    Member

    Cops in Salvador get busy and kill seven youths in a “gunbattle.”
    The police captured a 38 with six bullets as “evidence of the resistance.”
    Just another day in sleepy Salvador.Confused
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    23/08/2009 às 14:31

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    Sete pessoas morrem em operações policiais no subúrbio ferroviário

    Danile Rebouças – A TARDE

    Setepessoas morreram neste fim de semana em duas ações realizadas pelaPolícia Militar no Subúrbio Ferroviário. Nas duas situações, ospoliciais alegam confronto com traficantes. A primeira troca de tirosocorreu na tarde do sábado, 22, na Rua Teotônio Vilela, em FazendaCoutos. Os jovens Fábio Oliveira de Souza, 22, Shirleide Teixeira daSilva (Galega), 20, Robson Carneiro de Souza, 23, e um rapaz ainda nãoidentificado foram mortos na ocasião.
    Por volta das 21h30, o segundo tiroteio aconteceu na região conhecidacomo Alto do Bom Viver, no bairro do Lobato. Os três jovens mortos naoperação ainda não foram identificados. De acordo com a ocorrênciaregistrada na 4¬™ Delegacia (São Caetano), policiais militares foramcercados e solicitaram reforço das Rondas Especiais (Rondesp) e dasRondas-Tático Motorizadas (Rotamo). Os policiais apresentaram uma armacalibre 38 com seis munições deflagradas e uma intacta como prova doauto de resistência.

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  • #128179

    lozza353
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    Fortunately, with over 3,000 views of this topic, it seems that most gringos are indeed interested in better understanding the violence that routinely occurs in the Northeast of Brasil, Paraiba, Salvador, Joao Pessoa, and the island of Itaparica.

  • #128182

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Like a car accident attracts lookie-loos. And most of it is probably just to get an update on the latest go-round in the opinion wars anyway. (Maybe I should write the next novela at 8 :-) If any gringo wants to better understand the violence in those places, and believes every word he reads, then this is the place for him/her! If however, any gringo wants to better understand the violence in those places, particularly Salvador/Itaparica, best to avoid this thread entirely if an accurate impression is the goal. The thread is the creation of ONE disturbed person who repeats the same few incidents over and over (How many times did we hear about the gardener? Seven? Ten? How many times did we read about the car owner? Three thousand?), some of them years old now, and is lamenting some “good old days” when apparently no crime existed anywhere, no insects bit anyone, and the world was a perfect place. Bahiana772009-08-24 15:36:57

  • #128188

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    Like a car accident attracts lookie-loos.
    And most of it is probably just to get an update on the latest go-round in the opinion wars anyway. (Maybe I should write the next novela at 8 :-)
    If any gringo wants to better understand the violence in those places, and believes every word he reads, then this is the place for him/her! If however, any gringo wants to better understand the violence in those places, particularly Salvador/Itaparica, best to avoid this thread entirely if an accurate impression is the goal. The thread is the creation of ONE disturbed person who repeats the same few incidents over and over (How many times did we hear about the gardener? Seven? Ten? How many times did we read about the car owner? Three thousand?), and is lamenting some “good old days” when apparently no crime existed anywhere, no insects bit anyone, and the world was a perfect place.

    [/QUOTE]
    Hey wait a minute. The police killed another seven youths in one day. If the police killed seven youths in a day in the States of Europe there would be riots. It would be headlines. There would be outrage. There was a young lady among the bunch. Only an old 38 handgun and some bullets as evidence of resistance. No cops injured.
    A moment of silence for the mothers and family members of the seven youths who were killed.
    As for Bahiana77, she continues to post lies and stalk as the troll that she is. Even Anala told her about her family members in Brazil having guns pointed at their heads. According to “A Tarde” and the police of Itaparica there is a crime wave based on the drug trade in Itaparica and tourists as well as residents are victims of attacks.
    Yes I too had the same rosey tinted glasses Bahiana wears(really falsa bahiana as she is a gringa). I can love the island and Salvador and not like varius aspects of the places.

  • #128189

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Let’s fill some more pages repeating the same story that’s been repeated already over and over– how many times? a dozen?– here. Violence sells newspapers (in the same way it attracts views to this thread) and publishers capitalize on this to make $$$$$$$$. And so I will repeat: If there is crime in any place in the world, and very few places escape untouched these days, it does not mean that it touches every person every day. This applies in Perdue or Penha. It is quite possible to lead a happy life. It is quite possible to lead a happy life in Brazil.Bahiana (a nickname given to me by Brazilian friends who see my love for the place) Bahiana772009-08-24 15:51:02

  • #128230

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Let’s fill some more pages repeating the same story that’s been repeated already over and over– how many times? a dozen?– here.

    Violence sells newspapers (in the same way it attracts views to this thread) and publishers capitalize on this to make $$$$$$$$.
    And so I will repeat:
    If there is crime in any place in the world, and very few places escape untouched these days, it does not mean that it touches every person every day. This applies in Perdue or Penha.
    It is quite possible to lead a happy life.

    It is quite possible to lead a happy life in Brazil.

    Bahiana (a nickname given to me by Brazilian friends who see my love for the place)

    [/QUOTE]
    You are an off topic troll. What a nutty qualified off topic troll statement.
    “It is quite possible to lead a happy life in Brazil.”
    I agree is is possible, but unlikely if your kids go to a public school. Of course you have no children and charge 20 reais an hour for English lessons to the wealthy of Salvador. You are a top income earner in your favela near Ponta Areia. As others have said you must walk with eyes in the back of your head. Good luck.
    bobbyitaparica2009-08-25 00:13:01

  • #128245

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    30 reais Thumbs%20UpI dunno why people complain about the salary of teachers, I think it’s great. **off topic**

  • #128257

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=Guinness]30 reais Thumbs%20UpI dunno why people complain about the salary of teachers, I think it’s great. **off topic** [/QUOTE] Well, I saw a sign on someone’s door, presumably a local and not a native speaking gringo, in the Itapua neighborhood of Salvador the other day advertising English lessons for R$35 an hour. ShockedWhat should a native speaker with a native accent be charging then? btw, Public school teachers here in Salvador make the grand sum of R$800 per month. DisapproveBut which again just ‘shows to go’ how out of touch with reality some people are, trying to live in the nostalgia for “the good old days” of imagination. FYI, BoboIT, it costs about R$20 these days to get off the island and back, including bus fares. How does one then give lessons for R$20 per hour and not run in the red? Do you still think a cup of coffee in the U..S. is 5 cents too? LOLAnd I am hardly the biggest wage earner in my community. [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] I agree is is possible (to be happy in Brazil), but unlikely if your kids go to a public school. [/QUOTE]
    So now you have dissed a few millions of people minimum, including at least one regular poster here whose child went to public school and who seems quite happy here in Brazil. And in the same way, you have been unheedingly dismissive of the locals with whom I choose to socialize. (Perhaps that is why you were singled out to be robbed.) But I will qualify that for Bobos on It: It is possible to be happy in Brazil if you don’t choose to obsess about negatives. And inflict your obsession on others.

    Tchau for now, BoBoIT.

  • #128300

    jonathand
    Member

    I really didn’t want to post on this thread anymore as I am totally fed up with BobIt’s continual negativity…….. but…….. Of course there IS violence in Salvador. There is violence in any large city in Brazil. Salvador is NOT unique. That being said, it does NOBODY any good to continually dwell on the subject ad infinitum like BobIt. All these cut & pasted articles are pretty much redundant (TV, Radio and newspapers perform this task effectively) and it feels like he is ramming this stuff down our throats. To what purpose, I know not! I readily admit I havebeen robbed – I was relieved of $2 (yes two reais) by a pickpocket in a crowd. A camera was inside my pocket, hooked around a loop in my shorts – an therefore not a simple take). But I choose not to depress myself by concentrating on the negatives. My cunhado lost a work-colleague to a shooting in Retiro (the shooting was drug-related, though the victim himself was not involved in the drugs scene – he was merely talking with the brother of someone who is involved…. wrong place, wrong time). But I choose not to depress myself by concentrating on the negatives. Two of my students have had guns pointed at their heads (a few years ago). But I choose not to depress myself by concentrating on the negatives. Of course I am aware of the negatives, but these do not drive me away or keep me cowering inside the relative safety of my apartment. I go about my daily business aware of but not terrified by the risks that go hand-in-hand with living in Brazil. My girlfriend and her family look after my interests too. They keep me from potentially risky situations if possible (e.g. the other day, I had to deliver an important document to a cunhado. They called to say that an armed motorcyclist had been seen in their vicinity, and so he met me in a different location. It certainly helps having Brazilian locals who care about you (like Bahiana’s neighbours). BobIt’s picture of Salvador is distorted. If anything it should be me – a Brit – who is overwhelmed by the reality that is Brazil. I lived for 50 years in a country where guns are relatively unheard of in the hands of private citizens (strict fire-arms laws keep instances of crimes involving guns pretty few and far between) unlike his own country of the USA – where they still think they live in the Wild West and that the general public owning guns is a good thing. Even our police aren’t routinely armed. I echo Bahiana’s comment, who I see not as a troll but someone trying to counterbalance your irrational desire to demonise Salvador… It is possible to be happy in Brazil if you don’t choose to obsess about negatives. And inflict your obsession on others.

  • #128303

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    The only place I’ve been robbed at gun point is Clapham North

  • #128310

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77] Well, I saw a sign on someone’s door, presumably a local and not a native speaking gringo, in the Itapua neighborhood of Salvador the other day advertising English lessons for R$35 an hour. Shocked[/QUOTE]

    Is that like the girls who have notices on their doors in Soho in London, offering French Lessons? Tongue

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77] What should a native speaker with a native accent be charging then? [/QUOTE] I charge R$40 per hour for aulas particulares. I’m a TEFL trained native English speaker. I feel I am worth more really, but you can only charge what the market can stand. Cherge too much and you don’t get any students. Big%20smileglobetrotter2009-08-25 14:36:51

  • #128314

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Unless you’re from Liverpool, you can probably charge more for the classy, high-toned British accent than us plain old Americans! LOLand btw, thanks. Bahiana772009-08-25 15:05:07

  • #128331

    acampos
    Member
    The Chief of Police in Itaparica, this is the Prefeitura for Bahiana77 about 10 minute car ride from her place has put in new rules to combat crime.

    1. Boats must stay within 50 meters of the pier.
    2. Motorcyclists must not wear helmets. (To identify riders
    3. Curfew for youths.
    4. Restaurant owners must notify police department when gringoes make a reservation!!!LOLLOLLOLIf restaurant owner does not notify police and tourists are assaulted, the owner is responsible. Assauts at restaurants are common.
    5. Home owners must leave things of value with neighbors when going away for extended leave.

    Some of you are do not like the pastings but life is stranger than fiction and who would believe it? Home break ins have dropped from 80 per month to just a few, so the law is working. Good job Magalhaes!!!
    Segunda-feira, 24 de agosto de 2009 – 23h40

    Medidas de segurança criam polêmica em cidade baiana

    Da Redação

    cidades@eband.com.br

    Umdelegado de polícia proibiu motociclistas de usarem capacete na ilha deItaparica, na Bahia. A medida é uma tentativa de inibir a ação decriminosos.
    O delegado José Magalhães criou uma série de regrasque ficaram conhecidas por Leis Magalhães. Entre as novas leis estãoo toque de recolher para adolescentes, barcos não podem ancorar e devemficar a 50 metros do píer, moradores que saem para viajar devem deixarobjetos de valor na casa de vizinhos e, agora, motociclistas não podemusar capacetes.
    Outra medida polêmica envolve donos derestaurantes. Todas as reservas que foram feitas para grupos deturistas devem ser comunicadas à polícia, que vai mandar agentes para aárea. Caso o dono não informe às autoridades e os clientes sejamassaltados, os proprietários serão responsabilizados.
    O juiz da cidade e o Ministério Público não falam sobre o assunto, mas já estudam formas de impedir os abusos de poder.

    assiste(”);

  • #128334

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Put some of this energy into learning how to do a simple cut and paste, wudja. But once again BoboIt, you only obsessed about the part you wanted to see. And you missed this part: “O juiz da cidade e o Ministério Público não falam sobre o assunto, mas já estudam formas de impedir os abusos de poder.” which says that there are other government officials who think this is “an abuse of power” that should be stopped. And……..I took a moto taxi into Itaparica and wore a helmet, as did the driver. Nothing happened. I’m not about to risk my life without one, as would be prudent for anyone with good sense. It’s a small island but the speeds are continental. The rest of that bull is pretty much being ignored too. Teens, and everyone else, are still out until all hours. Boats are coming in and out at will. Myneighbors already look after my stuff if I’m gone, as I do for them. I’d be happy to look after your valuables for most of the year while you’re home in the U.S., BoboIt. CoolSince we’re naybahs. Who makes reservations at a restaurant on Itaparica? That’s nuts. And I haven’t seen any police patrols watching the restaurants that serve the tour schooners for lunch. I’m quaking in my boots (or chinelos) LOLi.e. more useless Censoredfrom the king of it. Give it up, BoboIt !

  • #128351

    acampos
    Member
    I’m not making this up. Cry
    26/08/2009 às 00:43

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    Onda de assaltos na Região Metropolitana e litoral norte

    Helga Cirino, do A TARDE

    >>Opine: Vocêjá passou por um assalto ou conhece alguém que foi assaltado no LitoralNorte ou Região Metropolitana de Salvador? Conte sua história na caixade comentários da matéria.

    =======================

    Somente nos dois últimos meses, desde a sua inauguração, a 34¬™ CP(Portão) já registrou 154 roubos, furtos e arrombamentos nas regiões deVillas do Atlântico, Buraquinho e Portão, na Região Metropolitana deSalvador. A situação é semelhante ao longo da Linha Verde e emAbrantes. Entre os meses de janeiro e os dez primeiros dias de agosto,92 casas foram arrombadas por ladrões. No mesmo período, 57 residênciasforam invadidas por bandidos armados que fizeram famílias inteiras dereféns.
    As áreas urbanas de Camaçari, Candeias e Simões Filho também estãovulneráveis. Das 12 pessoas entrevistadas pela equipe de reportagem nostrês municípios, nove afirmaram já ter sido vítimas de assaltos porgrupos de homens armados. Os agentes que investigam esses crimes sãopoucos. São 5 em Itaparica (de um total de 28), 4 em Candeias (total de32), 6 em Simões Filho (total não informado), 6 em Lauro de Freitas(total de 38), 3 em Abrantes (total de 33), 10 em Camaçari (total nãoinformado) e apenas um agente investigador em Portão (total de 17).
    O alvo preferido dos bandidos são as residências de moradores da Ilhade Itaparica, Linha Verde, Lauro de Freitas, Camaçari, Simões Filho etambém daqueles que optam pela moradia aparentemente sossegada deVillas do Atlântico, Buraquinho e Abrantes. Os delegados da 34¬™ CP(Portão), 23¬™ CP (Lauro de Freitas), 19¬™ CP (Itaparica) e 26¬™ CP (Vilade Abrantes) dizem ter adotado medidas de segurança para reprimir oproblema.
    Morte ‚ÄìO último episódio resultou na morte de umassaltante. Aconteceu na manhã do último dia 16 de julho, quando homensarmados de revólveres calibre 38 tentaram invadir uma casa nalocalidade de Jauá. O caso foi registrado na 26¬™ CP (Abrantes). Deacordo com vizinhos, assim que os ladrões anunciaram o assalto ocaseiro correu e tentou se refugiar em um dos cômodos da casa, masteria sido perseguido e achado pelo adolescente de 17 anos. Armado eacuado, o caseiro disparou contra a cabeça do adolescente, que chegou aser socorrido para o Hospital Geral Menandro de Farias por uma viaturada Polícia Militar (PM), mas não resistiu aos ferimentos. Levado para adelegacia, o autor do disparo foi ouvido e liberado pela delegadaJamila Santos, da 26¬™ Delegacia (Vila de Abrantes).
    Jamila Santos explica que a localidade de Jauá já foi a região comíndices mais altos de arrombamentos e assaltos a residências. Masconseguimos desarticular a principal quadrilha que agia nesta região eos números vêm diminuindo ao longo dos meses. Nosso trabalho é cominvestigação, destaca. De acordo com a titular da 26¬™ CP, a região commaior índices de ocorrências passou a ser o distrito de Arembepe, emCamaçari.
    Marisângela Santos dos Reis, 28 anos, que trabalha como empregadadoméstica em Jauá, afirma já ter sido assaltada por homens armados noLoteamento Aquarius pelo menos três vezes somente este ano. Uma delasfoi na praia. Não deixo mais meu filho ficar na rua. Muita gente estávendendo as casas por temer os roubos e assaltos, conta.
    De acordo com um dos seguranças do Condomínio Beira-Mar, que preferiunão se identificar, três homens armados tentaram arrombar um dosvillages na sexta-feira última. O segurança de plantão se salvouporque se escondeu no banheiro. Os bandidos foram embora em seguida,afirma.
    Mas não são só os veranistas e moradores de distritos distantes quesofrem com os ataques de assaltantes e arrombadores. Bem perto deSalvador acontecem mais ações dos bandidos na região de Villas doAtlântico, afirma a delegada Luciana dos Anjos, titular da 34¬™ CP(Portão). Ela conta que vem intensificando ações de policiamento. Jámapeamos as áreas com maiores índices, como Villas do Atlântico, maioralvo por conta do poder aquisitivo dos moradores, garante a delegada.
    Moradora de Villas, a administradora Paula Soares, 26 anos, reclama quefrequentemente seus vizinhos são vítimas da ações de bandidos. Emjulho, que eu tive conhecimento, houve pelo menos dois roubos deautomóveis e três assaltos a transeuntes aqui. Todas as vítimas sãoamigos e vizinhos meus, diz.
    A imprecisão dos números tem razão de ser. Todos os dados publicadosnesta reportagem foram conseguidos com cada uma das delegacias.Procurado insistentemente desde a quarta-feira da semana passada, ocoordenador do Centro de Documentação e Estatística Policial (Cedep),delegado Antônio Matos, disse não ter tempo hábil para divulgar osdados. Estamos com uma demanda de trabalho muito grande aqui,afirmou.
    Portaria ‚ÄìA demora do coordenador do Cedep não seriaproblema se a Secretaria de Segurança Pública (SSP) já tivesse cumpridoa Portaria 362, de junho de 2009, publicada no Diário Oficial do Estadoda Bahia, que dispõe sobre a publicação de dados estatísticosrelativos às atividades criminal e de polícia na rede mundial decomputadores ‚Äì internet. Com o documento, o secretário da SegurançaPública César Nunes determinou a publicação das estatísticas dasprincipais ocorrências. Os dados a serem publicados deveriam sercoletados e tratados pelo Cedep, que deveria remetê-los para aSuperintendência de Gestão Integrada da Ação Policial ‚Äì Siap, até o 5¬∫dia útil de cada mês. A portaria ainda estabelece que, desde o últimodia 5 de julho, deveriam ser publicados dados sobre homicídios dolosos,tentativa de homicídios, estupro, roubo seguido de morte e roubo aônibus urbano, entre outros.
    Colaborou Maiza de Andrade*

  • #128522

    acampos
    Member

    Mãe%20e%20filha%20baleadas%20em%20Feira:%20mulher%20morre%20e%20menina%20está%20em%20estado%20grave%20%28Reginaldo%20Pereira%20-%20Agência%20A%20Tarde%29

    Mãe e filha baleadas em Feira: mulher morre e menina está em estado grave

    Feira is out near the airport. A mother is killed and her child is in grave condition. Very sad.

  • #128523

    acampos
    Member
    Man shot in his face while attempting to sell a motorcycle.
    27/08/2009 às 19:51

    COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Comerciante é baleado no rosto durante roubo em Pau da Lima

    Carine Andrade – A Tarde*

    O comerciante Anselmo Carvalho Reis, 30, proprietário da loja PJ,revendedora de motocicletas em Pau da Lima, foi baleado no rostodurante um roubo na tarde desta quinta-feira, 27. Ele foi abordado pordois supostos compradoresque mostraram suposto interesse em uma moto. Os bandidos exigiram entãoque ele os acompanha-se em um “test drive” que seria feito nasimediações do bairro para testar o produto. Durante o percurso feitocom os assaltantes, a vítima foi baleada e a moto roubada. AnselmoCarvalho foi levado para o Hospital São Rafael, mas não há informaçõessobre seu estado de saúde.

    * Com informações de Louise Cibelle, do A TARDE

  • #128525

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]Mãe%20e%20filha%20baleadas%20em%20Feira:%20mulher%20morre%20e%20menina%20está%20em%20estado%20grave%20%28Reginaldo%20Pereira%20-%20Agência%20A%20Tarde%29

    Mãe e filha baleadas em Feira: mulher morre e menina está em estado grave

    Feira is out near the airport. A mother is killed and her child is in grave condition. Very sad.

    [/QUOTE] Which airport would that be? Certainly not Salvador Airport. Salvador Airport is about 30km from Barra (Salvador); Feira de Santana is about 110 km from Salvador Airport and 120 km from Barra. I agree that it’s very sad, but it hardly comes under the auspices of your thread header.

  • #128567

    jonathand
    Member

    So that people can get the news (not just the bad news)… A Tarde & Correio da Bahia; the two major newspapers in Salvador http://www.atarde.com.br/ http://correio24horas.globo.com/

  • #129216

    acampos
    Member

    Good Job!ClapClapClapClapThe police in Itaparica busted a crime group in Amoreiras. Busted for murders and drug trafficking. This is a group of ten men and three women. The captured are 23, 19, 17, and 19 years old. It appears the public school system failed these youths. The police recovered a 38, a 32 a shotgun and 300 grams of crack.

    bahia -02.09.2009 – 18h22

    Cinco integrantes de uma quadrilha são presos em Itaparica

    Redação CORREIO

    Cincohomens foram presos por volta das 11h desta quarta-feira (2), na Ilhade Itaparica, portando drogas e cinco armas. Segundo a Policia Militar,eles fazem parte de uma quadrilha formada por 10 homens e 3 mulheresque é responsável por roubos, homicídios e pelo tráfico de drogas naregião.

    Após receberem uma denúncia anônima, policiais da 5¬™ CompanhiaIndependente da Policia Militar (Vera Cruz) realizaram uma ronda nalocalidade de Amoreiras, onde efetuaram a prisão de Moisés Souza Alves,de 23 anos, e Diogo Rocha Carvalho, 19 anos. Com eles foram encontradasuma pistola calibre 765 e um revólver calibre 38.

    Moisés e Diogo não reagiram à prisão e conduziram os policiais a umacasa na mesma localidade onde foram presos D.R.C., de 17 anos e AlexOliveira Silva, de 19 anos. A policia aprendeu com eles um revólvercalibre 38, um revólver calibre 32 e uma espingarda calibre 44, além de300 gramas de crack.

    Os cinco acusados foram conduzidos para a 19ª Delegacia (Itaparica), onde foram autuados em flagrante delito.

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    bobbyitaparica2009-09-04 07:43:00

  • #129231

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Ya know, BoboIt, a couple of “I loves” on another thread does not constitute dispensation to continue with all this same old crap on this one.

  • #129233

    why do you keep reposting articles about violent crimes in bahia? I really don’t understand.

  • #129236

    mattad
    Member

    Ying%20Yang
    Hercules2009-09-04 11:00:41

  • #129238

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=Hercules][QUOTE=LouieLoco]why do you keep reposting articles about violent crimes in bahia? I really don’t understand. [/QUOTE]
    Because BobbyItaparica is another sour american gringo, who really belongs in the USA…..why don’t brazilians kick him out of Brasil or better yet, DON’T LET HIM IN ANYMORELOL……IN ANOTHER site I saw him all googoo-gaga with Brazil, bla bla bla, that he loves the waves, and in this site the man goes bunkers with the news….
    He wants news, ask him about the scandals in the USA about the american contractors in AFghanistan who are caught on tape nude and sucking vodka off each other’s bodies.
    Ask him about that…..in another site he says that milk in America is 2.19 a gallon and Brazil is 4reais 3 litters.
    He must live in red-neck-stick-town, because a gallon of milk in America is 3.56 and up.
    The guy is a moreon! don’t mind him. the Adminstrator close his eyes to his postings, they are quite offensive to brasilians, because all he does is bash Brasil, but that is ok….apparently the site Gringoes was created with the intend to BASH BRAZIL….
    BRAZILIANS REALLY WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THE GRINGOES LEFT, specially the ones who open their fat mouth to bash Brasil.
    come here to the USA and see how poorly Brasilians are treated….
    To me I read enough on BobbyItaparica that I visualise him a tripple chin, big stomack , goat-T red face, shaved head beauty! If that is your type, come to America, you will have your pick.
    [/QUOTE]
    You’re an angery dude. Go to the “shake joint” or something and blow off some steam!
    Relax bro! Hit some chronic. It’s good in the States! (It’s not too bad here eitherWink)
    Paulistano USA2009-09-04 09:22:46

  • #129254

    mattad
    Member

    The worst crimes in the world are the ones that ROB WITH PENCIL AND PAPER….WHITE COLAR CRIMES…at least the PIVETES in Brazil have the guts to put their bodies in danger when they commit a petty robbery.
    the white colar criminals are thieving cowards!
    Hercules2009-09-04 11:02:19

  • #129280

    mattad
    Member

    this is terrible, very sad !
    Here in the usa they just taze to death paralized women, and minorities.
    Terrible the violence in Salvador…I agree…..
    now let us go to Afghanistan, iraque , and all the other parts such as Lebanon, Gaza , West Bank where the Israelis with the support of the USA murder innocents……Dead

    hey bobby Itaparica, careful, you may be the next victim in Bahia, I would leave if I were you. Go to Texas, much safer there.

  • #129287

    acampos
    Member

    Itaparica is a sleepy little island with about 50,000 inhabitants so it is big news when the cops capture 5 armed youths without firing a bullet or killing anybody. I congratulate the cops for removing these armed killers from the island community.
    The amazing thing is that most of the residents of the favelas on the island are living in extreme poverty and that they have money enough to entice the drug dealers to move in and kill one another over turf wars.
    A sad secondary effect is that tourists become targets for armed robbery as the addicts need money to buy crack. The kids who nearly beat the French boaters to death went on to sell drugs with the Euros they stole from the elderly couple last year.
    The prefeitura of Itaparica was clocking break ins at 80 per month. Vera Cruz which is the other prefeitura on the island has more houses and easily gets a 100 break ins a month. So you get about 2000 home invasions in a year fueled by the crack heads need for cash.
    I can love Itaparica but not like the crime wave as it rolls across the island.

  • #129288

    Jeanne
    Member

    paulistano,
    if you are a woman in the usa, is not so good……, the usa is good if you are a white man….I agree with Girasol…Confused
    but I do not want to fight you, I saw the fighting between you and others.Sleepy

  • #129289

    Jeanne
    Member

    DeadBobyItaparica:
    Are you sh*tting me? I am planning a trip with an American friend to see Pelourinho, and my favorite city of Salvador…….
    sh*t! now I am concerned……is this turning like Mexico! damn..
    Lula has to take action immediately, this is unsustainable.
    I thought you were just raving, but now I looked on the news, and you are correct.
    People should pay attention to what you are saying.

  • #129292

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=salamandra]DeadBobyItaparica:
    Are you sh*tting me? I am planning a trip with an American friend to see Pelourinho, and my favorite city of Salvador…….
    sh*t! now I am concerned……is this turning like Mexico! damn..
    Lula has to take action immediately, this is unsustainable.
    I thought you were just raving, but now I looked on the news, and you are correct.
    People should pay attention to what you are saying.
    [/QUOTE]
    Please go to Salvador and Itaparica. You will have a great time. You just need to use common sense about where you go. Don’t use jewelry or walk about with a camera on your neck. As others have said be aware of what is going on around you. Don’t wonder alone too far of the beaten path. Good luck and enjoy.
    bobbyitaparica2009-09-04 12:59:53

  • #129300

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=salamandra]if you are a woman in the usa, is not so good…..[/QUOTE]
    This has not been my experience at all. If you are poor and uneducated in the usa, it is not so good.

    ———-

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]Itaparica is a sleepy little island with about 50,000 inhabitants [/QUOTE]
    and making it out to be a crime capital is silly when crime does not touch or effect most locals.

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    …… most of the residents of the favelas on the island are living in
    extreme poverty and that they have money enough to entice the drug dealers to move in …..[/QUOTE]
    ABSURD LACK OF LOGIC — the poor of the island are ‘poor’ because they don’t have $$$$ Duh!

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]
    The prefeitura of Itaparica was clocking break ins at 80 per month. Vera Cruz which is the other prefeitura on the island has more houses and easily gets a 100 break ins a month. So you get about 2000 home invasions in a year ….
    [/QUOTE]
    Where did you get these so-called statistics? again, ridiculous exagggeration
    Did you mention that most of the houses are probably vacant vacation homes of the type that might attract thieves anywhere? I’m sure your dear little Penha is full of places that only see their owners at Carnaval or in the European winter for a few weeks.

    [QUOTE=salamandra] BobyItaparica: Are you sh*tting me? I am planning a trip with an American friend to see Pelourinho, and my favorite city of Salvador…….sh*t! now I am concerned……is this turning like Mexico! damn..Lula has to take action immediately, this is unsustainable.I thought you were just raving, but now I looked on the news, and you are correct.People should pay attention to what you are saying.
    [/QUOTE]

    People should laugh out loud. If you choose to take his absurd obsession seriously, you should probably stay home. Of course, if that’s all you think about, it can become your whole world view. Most of us who live here, as you can see by comments above, not jsut mine, are just fine…and happy…and don’t have to obsess like BoboIt.

    Bahiana772009-09-04 15:26:08

  • #129301

    Jeanne
    Member

    I concluded two things from the site GRINGOES:
    1. THAT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ANGRY IN THE WORLD, ARE PART OF THIS SITE, INCLUDING ME.
    2. I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS BAIANA…….WinkClapClapClapClapClapClapClap
    QUE BAIANA MARAVILOSA? ELA DA PAULADA EM TODOS OS HOMENS E MAIS ELES ADORAM ELA!!!!
    BALL FORWARD BAIANA, THE WORLD IS YOURS! AND SO IS OUR
    ASSES!LOL
    salamandra2009-09-04 15:45:28

  • #129305

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=salamandra]paulistano,
    if you are a woman in the usa, is not so good……, the usa is good if you are a white man….I agree with Girasol…Confused
    but I do not want to fight you
    , I saw the fighting between you and others.Sleepy
    [/QUOTE]
    Quite frankly, I don’t want to fight with anybody! I just came across this site a few years ago when I Googled a query on Visa information. Then I kind of got hooked on it!
    I have never posted an inflammatory comment for postings sake. Further more just like in real life I have never attacked anybody who hasn’t deserved it.

  • #129307

    Jeanne
    Member

    paulistano is a contradiction in terms:
    never attacked anyone that does not deserve it?????LOL
    and I guess you are the judge of who deserves it right?Confused

  • #129309

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=salamandra]paulistano is a contradiction in terms:
    never attacked anyone that does not deserve it?????LOL
    and I guess you are the judge of who deserves it right?Confused
    [/QUOTE]
    You need to double up on the English classes because now you’re not even making sense. LOL

  • #129311

    mattad
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    [QUOTE=salamandra]if you are a woman in the usa, is not so good…..[/QUOTE]
    This has not been my experience at all. If you are poor and uneducated in the usa, it is not so good.

    ———-

    BAIANA, YOU PROVE THE POINT THAT IN AMERICA IS ONLY GOOD FOR RICH AND EDUCATED PEOPLE AND WHAT A COMPASSIONATE NATION THE USA IS RIGHT?
    At least in Europe there is a social safety net….in the USA they see a poor person , or a person down and they blame the person “HEY YOU, IS YOUR FAULT THAT YOU ARE POOR AND UNEMPLOYED”….
    VERY COMPASSIONATE NATION THE USA IS….and you too baiana…very compassionate and shallow, you are as brittle as a thin layer of veneer…..I AM SURPRISE YOU ARE BRASILIAN FROM BAHIA……I TEND TO THINK THAT BRASILIAN WOMEN ARE more compassionate…boy was I wrong…..EEEEEEvil woman, as the song says! Go suck a mango! LOL
    [
  • #129314

    Sanchezrawl7
    Member

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA][QUOTE=salamandra]paulistano,
    if you are a woman in the usa, is not so good……, the usa is good if you are a white man….I agree with Girasol…Confused
    but I do not want to fight you
    , I saw the fighting between you and others.Sleepy
    [/QUOTE]
    Quite frankly, I don’t want to fight with anybody! I just came across this site a few years ago when I Googled a query on Visa information. Then I kind of got hooked on it!
    I have never posted an inflammatory comment for postings sake. Further more just like in real life I have never attacked anybody who hasn’t deserved it.
    [/QUOTE]
    I would not worry yourself mate, I’m under the impression this person is a troll/clone.

  • #129318

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=dirtbox]

    I would not worry yourself mate, I’m under the impression this person is a troll/clone.
    [/QUOTE]
    True that.
    What’s with this site? It’s like crack for Trolls. And they are equal opportunity trolls too! Sometimes you have the Brazil bashers, then the Gringo bashers.

  • #129322

    Jeanne
    Member

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA][QUOTE=salamandra]paulistano is a contradiction in terms:
    never attacked anyone that does not deserve it?????LOL
    and I guess you are the judge of who deserves it right?Confused
    [/QUOTE]
    You need to double up on the English classes because now you’re not even making sense. LOL
    [/QUOTE]
    I wonder how good is your accent in Portuguese? and how fluent you are in Portuguese! chew on that!

  • #129324

    Sanchezrawl7
    Member

    The question is tho,
    Are these people really Brazilian?
    Im not so sure.

  • #129344

    RoMo
    Member

    Angry
    I think the people on this thread are all chinese, subversive communist chinese, how scary the word communist….ooooooh I think you all will sh*t your pants!

  • #129365

    acampos
    Member
    Congrats to the police of Bahia for capturing these thirteen crackheads including three young women who would block roads with fake crashes then rob the people coming in the next car and steal the car as well. They had been doing it for six months and had stolen about fifteen cars and were planning a kidnapping of a private school director. They even robbed three police officers from Sergipe. The police recovered three weapons and six cars.
    INICIOALAGOINHAS E REGIÃOTreze presos por roubo de carros na Linha Verde

    Treze presos por roubo de carros na Linha Verde

    Qui, 03 de Setembro de 2009 12:59 ALAGOINHAS E REGIÃO
    Quadrilha%20capturada%20agia%20na%20Linha%20Verde

    Quadrilha capturada agia na Linha Verde

    Trezemembros de uma quadrilha especializada em assaltos a veículos foramapresentados na tarde de ontem, na sede da Polícia Civil, na Piedade. Ogrupo atuava na região do Litoral Norte e era investigado desde junhoapós o roubo de um veículo de uma delegada de Sergipe. Com eles foramencontrados celulares, drogas, armas e munições. Segundo informações dapolícia, a quadrilha assaltava há seis meses e teria roubado em tornode 15 automóveis. Eles planejavam um sequestro de um diretor de umafaculdade particular instalada em Salvador.

    De acordo com informações da delegada Cristhiane Xavier, titular daFurtos e Roubos de Veículo, o grupo agia mediante violência. Elessimulavam falsas barreiras na pista ou uma colisão para obrigar avítima parar ou sair do carro. A quadrilha estava sendo investigada hádois meses, após o veículo em que estavam três delegados e um escrivãoda polícia de Sergipe ter sido assaltado no Litoral Norte. As prisõesocorreram nas cidades de Alagoinhas, Itaparica, Lauro de Freitas eSalvador. Com eles foram encontrados seis veículos roubados, trêsarmas, que pertencem a polícia de Sergipe, crack, maconha e cocaína.Com a desarticulação dessa quadrilha conseguimos evitar o sequestro deum diretor de uma faculdade particular. Eles pretendiam roubar oveículo, joias e objetos de valor da residência da vítima.‚Äô, afirmou adelegada.

    Dentre os membros da quadrilha estão três mulheres: AndreizaCristina Custódio da Silva, Auremália Maia Serra e Juliana HeloiseSacramento Dacche, que segundo a polícia, agiam diretamente naabordagem das vítimas. Além delas, também foram presos: Emerson CosmeAnjos dos Santos, Ericson Anjos dos Santos, Tales Gabriel Oliveira dosAnjos, Ricardo Barbosa do Sacramento, Mário Henrique Santana dos Anjos,Antônio Luiz dos Reis Gentil Pereira, Marcos Bastos dos Santos eEdgaldo Silva da Exaltação. Um outro integrante da quadrilha Welligtondos Anjos, também foi detido e está custodiado na delegacia deItaparica.

    Durante as operações, os policiais recuperaram quatro carros tomadosde assaltos, sendo duas caminhonetes, uma Mitsubshi de cor preta e umaHuday/Tucson cinza, um Celta prata, e um Polo preto. Os mandados deprisão e de busca e apreensão foram assinados pelos juízes RosanaCristina Souza Passos e Murilo de Castro Oliveira, da Comarca deCamaçari. Segundo a delegada, o grupo foi indiciado em inquérito porvários tipos de crimes, entre os quais, roubo, tráfico de drogas,associação ao tráfico, porte ilegal de arma de fogo de uso restrito,receptação, estelionato, adulteração de sinal identificador de veículose formação de quadrilha.

  • #129367

    acampos
    Member

    Gunfight on Bus from Salvador resuts in two deaths of the bandits who attempt

    03/09/2009 às 09:02

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 03/09/2009 às 10:26COMENTÁRIOS (102)

    Dois mortos e dois feridos em tentativa de assalto na BR-324

    Meire Oliveira – A TARDE*

    voltar – avançar

    Arestides Baptista – Agência A Tarde

    Muitos%20curiosos%20foram%20atraídos%20ao%20local%20do%20crime

    Muitos curiosos foram atraídos ao local do crime
    Arestides Baptista – Agência A Tarde

    Ação%20dentro%20de%20coletivo%20deixou%20a%20cobradora%20ferida

    Ação dentro de coletivo deixou a cobradora ferida
    Arestides Baptista – Agência A Tarde

    Assaltantes%20foram%20mortos%20por%20passageiro%20que%20reagiu

    Assaltantes foram mortos por passageiro que reagiu

    Duas pessoas morreram e duas ficaram feridas em tentativa de assalto naBR-324, na manhã desta quinta-feira, 3, por volta de 7h30. Doishomens anunciaram o assalto ao ônibus da empresa Santana, que fazia alinha Feira de Santana – Salvador, na altura do viaduto do CIA, masdesconfiaram que um passageiro seria policial e começaram a discutir.Houve troca de tiros com o passageiro, que estava armado e não foiidentificado, de acordo com a polícia.

    Os supostos bandidos, Luís Antônio Barbosa Barreto, 20 anos, e ooutro não identificado, foram baleados e morreram no local. A cobradorado ônibus, Edna Rodrigues de Alcântara, 40 anos, foi atingida na nuca,mas o delegado Cláudio Oliveira, titular do Grupo de Repressão a Roubosem Coletivos (Gerc), afirmou que ela estaria fora de perigo. Opassageiro Anderson de Jesus Alves, 28 anos, foi baleado no braço.Ambos foram levados para o Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE).
    O assaltante Luís Antônio foi liberado há 20 dias do Gerc com alvará desoltura. Ele tinha passagens por diversas delegacias de Salvador.
    *Com redação de Paula Pitta – A TARDE On Line

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    ed to rob the passengers. Just another day in Salvador.

  • #129388

    RoMo
    Member

    BobbyItaparica is needing mental health assistance.
    He is traumatized by all the violence in Brasil, and I am with him.
    It shows us that his psychic is shocked with violence and that he did not succumb yet to a dormant state of acceptance of violence.
    We should all pay attention ! this is person with a conscience!Clap
    while every one else just take it and accept it.
    Same here in the usa with the freaking war, Americans are zombies now, they went into Zombie mode perpetually…they go from war to war to war, rationalizing that they need more war and always be blowing up people…..and shoving the Brits into it along with them.
    Yesterday in the House of Commons in C-Span, one of the Brits called the American nation “the misbehaved troubled tantrum child”….that England must be cleaning up after it does its messy dids. Well put….what does the word BULLOCS means in England?
    Francisco2009-09-05 09:47:12

  • #129409

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Francisco] ….what does the word BULLOCS means in England?
    [/QUOTE] Nothing…. …. the word you’re looking for is “bollocks” , which means “rubbish” (in the context you want to use it) or is a slang term for testicles. A “bullock” is a castrated bull – in essence a bull with no bollocks! LOLglobetrotter2009-09-05 11:31:20

  • #129417

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    bullocks Approve

  • #129420

    RoMo
    Member

    thanks!LOL
    what does it mean in England when someone says “she is a tart“….is that the same as a custard tart that they talk about?
    does that mean the woman is delicious?
    Here in the USA few Americans know it. I ask and they frown.
    Another expression I like is , you are talking and they say“hard cheese”….
    None of my American friends know the real meaning of these English expressions, they take a guess but they don’t even like dwelling on it.
    What would be the equivalent in portuguese?
    I went in Brazil, as a child, to a Cambridge line of English teaching, many years ago….when I came to America, they made fun of me and thought I was pompous….but ….I used to pronounce the words with the English accent. Now I have the American accent.
    The American english is great for business, but the English from England I think is more humane and personable….Big%20smileBig%20smile
    Francisco2009-09-05 13:18:26

  • #129430

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    Tart, sl*g, slapper – free prostitute

  • #129431

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Guinness]Tart, sl*g, slapper – free prostitute[/QUOTE] or the classic….. a woman of easy virtue LOL

  • #129438

    RoMo
    Member

    IN THE END, I FIND OUT BAIANA IS NOT A BRASILIAN LOL
    BUT SHE CALLS HERSELF BAIANAWink
    ANOTHER FOREIGNER WHO”WANNABE BRASILIAN” ..SO MANY FOREIGNERS WANT TO BE BRASILIANS, IS REALLY FLATTERING FOR US, THAT ARE BRASILEIROS.
    LOLBAINA…IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE “THREAD” AS YOU CALL IT “TROLL”…Stop engaging in it?
    Francisco2009-09-05 18:47:07

  • #129466

    Jeanne
    Member

    14 dead and four critically injured in Binghamton, New York shooting

    Police%20near%20the%20American%20Civic%20Association%20building%20in%20Binghamton,%20New%20York

    Inthis television grab from WBNG-TV in Binghamton, New York, authoritiestake up positions behind a vehicle during a shooting at the AmericanCivic Association building. Photograph: AP

    A gunman killed 13 people and wounded four at an upstate New Yorkimmigrant counselling centre this morning before turning the gun onhimself, in a brazen attack that shocked a nation already reeling fromseveral mass shootings this year.

    The violence that rocked thesmall university city of Binghamton, three hours from New York City,began about 10am today when a gunman entered the American CivicAssociation after barricading a rear door, then mowed down tworeceptionists and 15 others, many in a classroom. Survivors of theinitial assault fled to a basement boiler room, and under instructionsfrom police over the telephone, barricaded themselves inside.

    Thesuspected gunman was found dead among his victims, tentativelyidentified by the satchel full of ammunition he wore around his neck.Police declined publicly to name the suspect, but said they haddetermined who had borrowed the car used to prevent escape.

    “He’sno stranger to the civic association,” Binghamton police chief JoeZikuski told reporters. The civic association provides English classesand citizenship preparation courses to immigrants.

    Within threehours after the initial report of the shooting, police had rescued 37terrified survivors, many of whom were immigrants who spoke little orno English. Four people, including a receptionist who was the onlysurvivor to get a look at the shooter’s face, were in criticalcondition in local hospitals.

    The surviving receptionist playeddead after she was shot in the stomach while the gunman stalked downthe hallway and entered a classroom to resume his killing spree. Shethen was able to call police, who began arriving in force two minuteslater. Local police were soon joined by several other agencies,including the state police and FBI officials.

    President Barack Obama, overseas for the 60th anniversary of Nato, extended his condolences.

    “Michelleand I were shocked and deeply saddened to learn about the act ofsenseless violence in Binghamton, NY today,” he said in a statement.”Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims, their families and thepeople of Binghamton.”

    Binghamton is a city of about 45,000, andis home to a large campus of the State University of New York. Theattack took place on a commercial strip near the Chenango river.

    The United States,which has some of the laxest gun control laws of the developed world,has for years been beset by seemingly random mass shootings.

    Lastweek, a gunman killed eight people in a North Carolina nursing home.Last month, an Alabama man killed ten people, including several membersof his family, before turning the gun on himself.

    The largestmass shooting in American history occurred in April 2007, when amentally ill student at Virginia Tech University killed 32 people andwounded many others before killing himself.

    This month marks the tenth anniversary of the killing of 13 at Columbine High School in Colorado by two disgruntled students.

    Manystates have few strictures on gun ownership beyond barring convictedfelons and the severely mentally ill from possession firearms.

    Guncontrol has largely fizzled as a national political issue, asDemocrats, who have in the past promoted stricter gun laws, have bowedto the well-organised pro-gun opposition. The Obama administrationsupports the renewal of an expired federal ban on assault weapons.

    ZhanarTokhtabayeva, a 30-year-old from Kazakhstan, said she was in an Englishclass when she heard a shot and her teacher screamed for everyone to goto the storage room.

    “I heard the shots, every shot. I heard no screams, just silence, shooting,” she told the Associated Press.

    “I heard shooting, very long time … and I was thinking, when will this stop? I was thinking that my life was finished.”

  • #129468

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=salamandra]

    The United States, which has some of the laxest gun control laws of the developed world, has for years been beset by seemingly random mass shootings.

    Gun control has largely fizzled as a national political issue, as Democrats, who have in the past promoted stricter gun laws, have bowed to the well-organised pro-gun opposition. [/QUOTE]

    When will they ever learn!!!!!!!!! This is one part of U.S. culture that has no place in a supposedly civilised first-world country. The Wild West (supposedly) finished a century or so ago. The pro-gun lobbyists need shooting!!! (tongue-in-cheek mode )

  • #129502

    Jeanne
    Member

    Yeah right Globetrotter!
    “One” of the aspects of the USA.
    Whatever happened to “the other uncivilized” modes of the USA as:
    racism
    calling latins wet backs as one called someone earlier
    police tasers
    the KKK now wears police officers’ clothing
    The wars launched by the usa across the globe
    the military presence around the world
    the lack of HEALTH CARE (oh excuse me the rich have it)(the middle class think they have it)
    the drugs that Americans love so much
    etc etc etc….
    Lots to be proud eh?
    interesting that you being English only see that the guns running amok are “not part of the civilized world”…..
    You got some tutano my friend!, as they say,
    the apple does not fall far from the tree……the apple being the usa, the tree mmmmmm ….England?
    salamandra2009-09-06 01:26:33

  • #129641

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=Francisco] IN THE END, I FIND OUT BAIANA IS NOT A BRASILIAN LOL

    BUT SHE CALLS HERSELF BAIANAWink

    ANOTHER FOREIGNER WHO”WANNABE BRASILIAN” ..SO MANY FOREIGNERS WANT TO BE BRASILIANS, IS REALLY FLATTERING FOR US, THAT ARE BRASILEIROS.

    LOLBAINA…IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE “THREAD” AS YOU CALL IT “TROLL”…Stop engaging in it?

    [/QUOTE] I don’t call myself anything. That’s an apelidomy Brazilian friends bestowed on me. So I use it because it’s apt. I’m not a wannabe anything. I’m pretty happy with what and where I am, actually. But if I don’t like something, I usually don’t walk away, I complain, be it about service, injustice, a hole in the road or a hole in the head, as some posters here appear to have.

  • #129656

    enchantbeau
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=salamandra]

    The United States, which has some of the laxest gun control laws of the developed world, has for years been beset by seemingly random mass shootings.

    Gun control has largely fizzled as a national political issue, as Democrats, who have in the past promoted stricter gun laws, have bowed to the well-organised pro-gun opposition. [/QUOTE]

    When will they ever learn!!!!!!!!! This is one part of U.S. culture that has no place in a supposedly civilised first-world country. The Wild West (supposedly) finished a century or so ago. The pro-gun lobbyists need shooting!!! (tongue-in-cheek mode ) [/QUOTE] If I remember correctly the 2nd Amendment of the American Constitution is ‘the right to bear arms’, which I suspect would take a great deal of political skill and will to change. The pro gun lobby insist it is people not guns that kill (though having a gun would appear to make the job a lot easier – not that the pro gun lobby say that bit of course!).

  • #129658

    jonathand
    Member
    America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.

    Oscar Wilde

    globetrotter2009-09-07 20:06:12
  • #129661

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=Francisco] IN THE END, I FIND OUT BAIANA IS NOT A BRASILIAN LOL

    BUT SHE CALLS HERSELF BAIANAWink

    ANOTHER FOREIGNER WHO”WANNABE BRASILIAN” ..SO MANY FOREIGNERS WANT TO BE BRASILIANS, IS REALLY FLATTERING FOR US, THAT ARE BRASILEIROS.

    LOLBAINA…IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE “THREAD” AS YOU CALL IT “TROLL”…Stop engaging in it?

    [/QUOTE] I don’t call myself anything. That’s an apelidomy Brazilian friends bestowed on me. So I use it because it’s apt. I’m not a wannabe anything. I’m pretty happy with what and where I am, actually. But if I don’t like something, I usually don’t walk away, I complain, be it about service, injustice, a hole in the road or a hole in the head, as some posters here appear to have. [/QUOTE] Don’t mind Francisco, he’s gone mad Thumbs%20Up

  • #129663

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Guinness][QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=Francisco] IN THE END, I FIND OUT BAIANA IS NOT A BRASILIAN LOL

    BUT SHE CALLS HERSELF BAIANAWink

    ANOTHER FOREIGNER WHO”WANNABE BRASILIAN” ..SO MANY FOREIGNERS WANT TO BE BRASILIANS, IS REALLY FLATTERING FOR US, THAT ARE BRASILEIROS.

    LOLBAINA…IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE “THREAD” AS YOU CALL IT “TROLL”…Stop engaging in it?

    [/QUOTE] I don’t call myself anything. That’s an apelidomy Brazilian friends bestowed on me. So I use it because it’s apt. I’m not a wannabe anything. I’m pretty happy with what and where I am, actually. But if I don’t like something, I usually don’t walk away, I complain, be it about service, injustice, a hole in the road or a hole in the head, as some posters here appear to have. [/QUOTE] Don’t mind Francisco, he’s gone mad Thumbs%20Up[/QUOTE] In fact apparantly he’s gone GONE LOL

  • #129667

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    [QUOTE=salamandra] as they say,
    the apple does not fall far from the tree……the apple being the usa, the tree mmmmmm ….England?
    [/QUOTE] Yep, not far from the tree at all, just 5 and a half thousand kilometres Smile

  • #129668

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=Guinness][QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=Francisco] IN THE END, I FIND OUT BAIANA IS NOT A BRASILIAN LOL

    BUT SHE CALLS HERSELF BAIANAWink

    ANOTHER FOREIGNER WHO”WANNABE BRASILIAN” ..SO MANY FOREIGNERS WANT TO BE BRASILIANS, IS REALLY FLATTERING FOR US, THAT ARE BRASILEIROS.

    LOLBAINA…IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE “THREAD” AS YOU CALL IT “TROLL”…Stop engaging in it?

    [/QUOTE] I don’t call myself anything. That’s an apelidomy Brazilian friends bestowed on me. So I use it because it’s apt. I’m not a wannabe anything. I’m pretty happy with what and where I am, actually. But if I don’t like something, I usually don’t walk away, I complain, be it about service, injustice, a hole in the road or a hole in the head, as some posters here appear to have. [/QUOTE] Don’t mind Francisco, he’s gone mad Thumbs%20Up[/QUOTE] In fact apparantly he’s gone GONE LOL[/QUOTE] I don’t think we’ve seen thelast of him

  • #129670

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    [QUOTE=delco][QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=salamandra]

    The United States, which has some of the laxest gun control laws of the developed world, has for years been beset by seemingly random mass shootings.

    Gun control has largely fizzled as a national political issue, as Democrats, who have in the past promoted stricter gun laws, have bowed to the well-organised pro-gun opposition. [/QUOTE]

    When will they ever learn!!!!!!!!! This is one part of U.S. culture that has no place in a supposedly civilised first-world country. The Wild West (supposedly) finished a century or so ago.
    The pro-gun lobbyists need shooting!!! (tongue-in-cheek mode )

    [/QUOTE]

    If I remember correctly the 2nd Amendment of the American Constitution is ‘the right to bear arms’, which I suspect would take a great deal of political skill and will to change. The pro gun lobby insist it is people not guns that kill (though having a gun would appear to make the job a lot easier – not that the pro gun lobby say that bit of course!).[/QUOTE]
    Actually, happy to help out here, its “the right to bare arms” which means freedom to express your fashion sense, hence some incredibly gifted T shirts.

  • #129671

    PEARLYGURL
    Member

    LOLThat was quite funny Tammy

  • #129675

    Gringo go go
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Guinness]LOL

    That was quite funny Tammy[/QUOTE]
    Thank you kindly Sir, I have my momentsEmbarrassed

  • #129755

    acampos
    Member

    Ho Hum Seven buses set afire in Salvador.

    Margarida Neide – Ag. A Tarde Em%20dois%20dias,%20sete%20ônibus%20são%20incendiados.%20Governo%20promete%20intensificar%20patrulhamento%20%28Margarida%20Neide%20-%20Ag.%20A%20Tarde%29

    Em dois dias, sete ônibus são incendiados. Governo promete intensificar patrulhamento

    bobbyitaparica2009-09-08 20:45:14

  • #129757

    acampos
    Member

    CIDADES

    Only four Military Police posts machine gunned in Salvador. ConfusedThe good news is that none of the Gringoes posters got a bullet.LOL

    todas as notícias de CIDADES

    07/09/2009 às 08:28

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 07/09/2009 às 15:34COMENTÁRIOS (206)

    Quatro módulos da PM são metralhados nesta segunda em Salvador

    A TARDE On Line*

    voltar – avançar

    Arestides Baptista / Agência A TARDE

    Em%20Mussurunga,%20viatura%20também%20foi%20alvo%20dos%20bandidos

    Em Mussurunga, viatura também foi alvo dos bandidos
    Arestides Baptista / Agência A TARDE

    Marcas%20de%20tiro%20em%20vidro%20do%20posto%20policial%20da%20Ribeira

    Marcas de tiro em vidro do posto policial da Ribeira
    Arestides Baptista / Agência A TARDE

    Os%20policiais%20feridos%20foram%20levados%20para%20o%20HGE

    Os policiais feridos foram levados para o HGE
    Arestides Baptista / Agência A TARDE

    Em%20Pirajá,%20policial%20foi%20atingido%20por%20um%20dos%20disparos

    Em Pirajá, policial foi atingido por um dos disparos

    Quatro módulos da Polícia Militar (PM) foram metralhados na madrugadadesta segunda-feira, 7, em ataques conjuntos em Salvador. Trêspoliciais foram baleados na ação e três suspeitos e participação noscrimes foram mortos após perseguição da PM. Os ataques aconteceram naRibeira, Uruguai, Estação Pirajá e Mussurunga. A ação foi realizada por12 homens em três carros, de acordo com nota emitida pela corporação.

    Os três policiais estão com quadro estável. O sargento Flaviano CaetanoBoa Morte foi baleado no módulo do Uruguai. Ele foi atingido no tórax eno braço e levado para o Hospital São Jorge, no Largo de Roma, emseguida transferido para o Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE), onde fez umadrenagem toráxica. O sargento foi transferido para o Hospital Espanhol.

    Os soldados Uelinton Barbosa dos Santos e Israel Conrado de Araújoforam baleados no módulo de Pirajá. Uelinton foi baleado de raspão nacabeça e Israel nas duas pernas. Este último apresenta quadro dehemorragia. Santos está internado no Hospital Roberto Santos e Araújono Hospital Espanhol.

    O major Anildo, coordenador do serviço de valorização profissional daPM, disse que os soldados ouviram o alerta da Central deTelecomunicações das Polícias (Centel) sobre os ataques, mas que nãotiveram tempo de reagir, já que os bandidos chegaram logo em seguidaatirando.

    Confronto –Após a ação, agentes da Companhia de AçõesEspecias do Litoral Norte (Cael) viram, na Paralela, três homenssuspeitos dentro de um veículo Fiesta preto. Houve confronto eperseguição. Os suspeitos foram interceptados na Avenida ACM, próximoao Hiper Bompreço, onde foram baleados após troca de tiros. JefersonOliveira Santos, Danilo dos Santos Souza e um terceiro homem, semidentificação, foram levados para o Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE), masnão resistiram aos ferimentos e morreram. No veículo, a políciaencontrou dois revólveres calibre 38, uma pistola 380, munições, umatouca preta e celulares.

    Represália –Policiais que pediram para não seridentificados dizem que os ataques seriam uma represália àtransferência do traficante Cláudio Eduardo Campanha da Silva para umpresídio de segurança máxima. Campanha é apontado como sucessor deEberson Santos, o Piti, que morreu em agosto de 2007.

    Campanha foi transferido, por ordem judicial, entre quinta, 3, e sexta,4, para uma prisão federal em Mato Grosso do Sul, de acordo cominformação da assessoria de imprensa da Secretaria da Justiça,Cidadania e Direitos Humanos (SJCDH). Ele estava preso na UnidadeEspecial Disciplinar (UED), em Mata Escura.

    O governador Jaques Wagner confirmou a motivação para o ataque. “Nãotenho dúvida que foi uma reação à transfêrencia do traficante”, disse.O secretário de segurança pública, César Nunes, afirmou não ter sidopego de surpresa, já que o serviço de inteligência da PM tinhainformações desde sábado sobre a possibilidade dos ataques. SegundoNunes, depois do episódio o policiamento foi reforçado em Salvador.
    *Colaboraram Carine Aprile e Danile Rebouças – A TARDE

    bobbyitaparica2009-09-08 20:48:38

  • #131216

    acampos
    Member

    Two young men shot and killed by other youths on the public busses in the last week in Salvador.
    Yesterday’s killing in Barra was on a bus headed to Lapa. I’ve been on that bus.ConfusedEight youths boarded the bus, shot and killed a youth and left.
    Only five buses full of passengers were looted in Salvador yesterday according to the police.

    27/09/2009 às 19:00

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 27/09/2009 às 20:47COMENTÁRIOS (7)

    Homem é assassinado a tiros dentro de ônibus na Av. Centenário

    A TARDE ON LINE*

    Hugo Neves Ferreira, 22, foi morto a tiros quando estava dentro de umônibus no final da tarde deste domingo (27) na Av. Centenário emSalvador.

    Segundo os presentes, duas versões foram apresentadas. No relato dospassageiros, Hugo e outro homem, ainda não identificado, entraram noônibus Simões Filho/Barra, no ponto próximo ao Shopping Barra, nosentido estação da Lapa, sem maiores movimentações. Após a entrada, ohomem não identificado disparou contra Hugo.

    Já na versão do motorista, Hugo estava sendo perseguido por oitohomens, sendo que dois deles, que estavam em motos, fecharam o ônibus.Estes dois homens entraram no veículo e assassinaram Hugo.

    Após o tiro, o homem mandou o motorista parar o ônibus imediatamente.Na manobra, o motorista acabou atropelando um garoto, mas sem risco asua vida. O crime está sob investigação na 14¬™ CP, na Barra.

    O que você achou desta matéria?

    O Reinalldo Lima (27/09/2009 – 21:03)

    Que situação nós estamos passando. Nenhum lugar é mais seguro. Cadê a segurança pública?

    Borges (27/09/2009 – 20:54)

    Rapaz,a desordem pública na bahia chegou a um ponto que o ministério públicoprecisa ajuizar ação contra as autoridades da área.

    Oállasi Santana Amorim (27/09/2009 – 20:36)

    A polícia precisa apurrar o que realmente aconteceu.

    Chico Um (27/09/2009 – 20:35)

    OBrasil não precisa se preocupar com guerras, eis que, já estamos emguerra com nós mesmos. Pior, a mataça vai aumenta. E pior, se alastrarápor todos os bairros e classes sociais sem distinção. A bahia mudou.

    Cesar Alves (27/09/2009 – 19:40)

    Asmortes estão acontecendo em todos os lugares da Cidade. ChacinasExecuções, Assassinatos, Crimes de toda monta. Seus executores Claroque as autoridades sabem e os motivos pelo qual estão sendo praticados.Eles tem medo de tomar providências mais drásticas porque o crimeorganizado é mais organizado que o poder de polícia por isto é que nãose encontra meios de combater e coibir ações de exterminio, trafico ecorrelatos. Não só na Bahia como em outros cantos do mundo. É a guerrado bem no mal

    José Luiz Poy Valverde (27/09/2009 – 19:29)

    Comentarmais o quê? esta é rotina tingida de crueldade e sangue sob as vistascomplascentes do governo lullo/petista. O importante é proteger obandido da sociedade e não a sociedade do bandido, máxima doscompanheiros. Deus salve o Brasil

    Caio Varela (27/09/2009 – 19:20)

    Muitosônibus não tem câmeras de segurança dentro, isso não evita nenhumcrime, ainda mais dessa espécie, mas já é uma forma de inibir oscriminosos. Todos os õnibus que atuam na Região metropolitna e, não sóem Salvador deveriam te o sistema.

    bobbyitaparica2009-09-28 08:28:36

  • #131226

    jouni
    Member

    Do you work for the Salvador tourist board?

  • #131232

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=Buzz]Do you work for the Salvador tourist board?[/QUOTE]
    Very funny, but now that you ask, the other youth killed on a bus last week was on the “Itinga Airport” bus that always has a handful of tourists headed to the airtport from the Comercio stop near the Terminal Maritimo. Only about 3.5 reais for a ride to the airport and it gets there quickly.
    Youths boarded the bus in Imbui on the Paralela and killed the youth they were chasing on the spot. The bus was returning from the Itinga area.

  • #131742

    acampos
    Member

    My neighbor Rosa is from Spain. She has a nice house a block from mine. Yesterday, while riding her bike near Coroa, a youth knocked her over. He was also riding a bike. He snatched her purse and headed towards the beach. She had a really bad skinned knee yet shouted for help. Her keys, passport, credit cards, cash and cel phone were in the purse. Fortunately for her a child identified the thief as a brother of a girl who sells stuff at the beach.
    Rosa went to the house and talked with the mother who is dying of cancer. Turns out the 22 year old thief is a crack addict who the police shot five times in the past. She got her purse back without the cash and cel phone but what a terrible thing for a woman in her sixties the endure as a gringa in Brazil.
    Two years ago her house was invaded by thieves . She and her hesband were robbed at gunpoint. Very sad bunch of events on Itaparica for Rosa.
    Her question to me is “should she file a police report?” She wants to because if she doesn’t, the guy will continue with more of the same. Six months in the slammer could do him some good. I think she is right. A big strong youth of 22 should not be knocking a lady in her sixties off her bike to steal her purse. Since he has a long record we are looking at jail time…More later…
    bobbyitaparica2009-10-03 17:42:44

  • #131745

    majazac
    Member

    Is that Barra in Salvador, or Barra in Rio?

  • #131747

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bubbles]

    Is that Barra in Salvador, or Barra in Rio?

    [/QUOTE] That would be Salvador. BobbyIt only c&ps stuff from the Salvador newspapers. If he tried to do the same for Rio,and other cities I’m sure he’d never have time to sleep, eat, and Sh** ! LOL

  • #131750

    lmaonade5
    Member

    The last is what he does here.

  • #131753

    acampos
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]My neighbor Rosa is from Spain. She has a nice house a block from mine. Yesterday, while riding her bike near Coroa, a youth knocked her over. He was also riding a bike. He snatched her purse and headed towards the beach. She had a really bad skinned knee yet shouted for help. Her keys, passport, credit cards, cash and cel phone were in the purse. Fortunately for her a child identified the thief as a brother of a girl who sells stuff at the beach.
    Rosa went to the house and talked with the mother who is dying of cancer. Turns out the 22 year old thief is a crack addict who the police shot five times in the past. She got her purse back without the cash and cel phone but what a terrible thing for a woman in her sixties the endure as a gringa in Brazil.
    Two years ago her house was invaded by thieves . She and her hesband were robbed at gunpoint. Very sad bunch of events on Itaparica for Rosa.
    Her question to me is “should she file a police report?” She wants to because if she doesn’t, the guy will continue with more of the same. Six months in the slammer could do him some good. I think she is right. A big strong youth of 22 should not be knocking a lady in her sixties off her bike to steal her purse. Since he has a long record we are looking at jail time…More later…
    [/QUOTE]
    An update about Rosa. While in front the the attackers house, minutes after the purse snatch, a passerby loaned her a cell phone to call the police. The police of Mar Grande refused to come to the house and told her to file a report at the delegacia before they would investigate.Confused
    This is newswortthy, a senior citized gringa attacked by a crackhead on the pista in Coroa in broad daylight around 11 am. here on the island of Itaparica.
    Her knee is healing. If she had fallen to the left, she probably would have been hit and killed by traffic in her own words.
    bobbyitaparica2009-10-04 05:23:56

  • #131757

    majazac
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=Bubbles]

    Is that Barra in Salvador, or Barra in Rio?

    [/QUOTE] That would be Salvador. BobbyIt only c&ps stuff from the Salvador newspapers. If he tried to do the same for Rio,and other cities I’m sure he’d never have time to sleep, eat, and Sh** ! LOL[/QUOTE] There’s a Lapa in Rio as well which threw me…

  • #132720

    acampos
    Member

    Justiça condena ladrões que mataram velejador do Paraná na Ilha de Itaparica

    Plantão– Publicada em 16/10/2009às 11h36m

    IBahia

    O%20velejador%20paranaense%20Abel%20de%20Aguilar%20foi%20morto%20na%20Ilha%20de%20Itaparica,%20na%20Bahia.%20Foto:%20Ibahia

    SALVADOR- O juiz Eduardo Augusto Ferreira, da Comarca de Itaparica, condenou osdois homens acusados de assassinar o velejador paranaense Abel deAguilar, de 36 anos, no dia 8 de fevereiro deste ano. Danilo Almeidados Santos foi condenado 24 anos de prisão e Diogo Pereira da Silva a10 anos.

    A dupla invadiu a embarcação, que estava ancorada na marina daIlha de Itaparica, para assaltar. Abel, que dormia na proa do catamarãonde estava um grupo de turistas, levou um tiro no rosto e outro nopeito. Ele teria reagido ao assalto.

    Aguilar era sócio da empresa de aluguel de barcos SalvadorCharters. Ele havia saído de Salvador no dia anterior para levar a umpasseio na ilha um grupo de seis turistas – um casal de idosospaulistas, seus dois filhos e dois netos.

    bobbyitaparica2009-10-18 01:08:54

  • #133582

    celso
    Member

    No question that the Northeast of Brazil is a dangerous place for tourists and gringoes who choose to live there. The great divide between the haves and the have nots makes tourists and resident gringoes targets for attacks that can lead to homicide.
    Upon arrival in Salvador the open sewer reeks as one travels towards the Pelourinho. You also see the vast favelas that bumped up the population ten fold in the last thirty years,
    Then you will be jumped by the capoeira dudes who demand payment if you take a picture of them at Mercado Modelo. Don’t bother, they are not worth the price.

  • #133587

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]No question that the Northeast of Brazil is a dangerous place for tourists and gringoes who choose to live there. The great divide between the haves and the have nots makes tourists and resident gringoes targets for attacks that can lead to homicide.

    Upon arrival in Salvador the open sewer reeks as one travels towards the Pelourinho. You also see the vast favelas that bumped up the population ten fold in the last thirty years,

    Then you will be jumped by the capoeira dudes who demand payment if you take a picture of them at Mercado Modelo. Don’t bother, they are not worth the price.
    [/QUOTE] And you live where???? Your profile is full of “not givens”…. it’d be nice to know what you’re basing this judgement on and you’re not just a faceless antagonist.

  • #133607

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]

    The police admit to killing 134 people so far this year and are on target to kill 40 people in July, 2009. This in a country with no death penalty. (Cheaper to shoot them in the street than lock em up.) So we can expect the death toll to reach 260 or higher in a city of three million killed by the cops. We are not even talking about the murders which at twenty per hundred thousand would reach well over 600 yet in Salvador you get about five per day so that reaches 1500 or more per year.

    What the hell is going on? Can you name a single city in Europe or the States where the cops have killed 134 people so far this year?

    10/07/2009 às 22:59

    – ATUALIZADA EM: 11/07/2009 às 00:09COMENTÁRIOS (106)

    Polícia matou 134 na Grande Salvador em 2009

    Helga Cirino l A TARDE

    Fernando Vivas/Agência A TARDE

    Polícia%20matou%20três%20suspeitos%20durante%20ação%20policial%20no%20Vale%20das%20Pedrinhas

    Polícia matou três suspeitos durante ação policial no Vale das Pedrinhas

    Levantamento de A TARDE revela que 134 pessoas foram mortas pelaspolícias civil e militar durante ações policiais, de janeiro até asexta-feira, 10, em Salvador e região metropolitana. O Centro deDocumentação e Estatística Policial (Cedep) da Secretaria de SegurançaPública (SSP) não divulgou os dados oficiais, apesar de a solicitaçãoter sido feita desde a última terça-feira.

    Os números de A TARDE ainda indicam que nos primeiros dez dias destemês, pelo menos 14 suspeitos já foram mortos. Neste ritmo, ao final dejulho, teríamos 42 óbitos, mais de um por dia, média maior que a mensaldos seis primeiros meses deste ano, de 20 a cada 30 dias.

    Sessenta e nove dos 134 mortos em ações policiais foram duranteoperações comandadas pelas polícias especializadas da PM e PC, asRondas Especiais da PM (Rondesp), Tático Móvel da PM (Rotamo), Batalhãode Choque da PM, Departamento de Crimes Contra o Patrimônio (DCCP),Delegacia de Homicídios (DH) e Comando de Operações Especiais (COE).

    Policiais ‚Äì Em contrapartida, de janeiro a junhodeste ano, quatro policiais militares, um agente da Polícia Civil e umpolicial federal foram mortos por bandidos, os dois últimos a serviçoda Secretaria de Segurança Pública (SSP) e Polícia Federal.

    O capitão Marcelo Pita, coordenador do Setor de Comunicação daPolícia Militar, explicou que a declaração de auto de resistências nãoexime o policial militar de punição se a ação for caracterizada comoexcessiva. Ou seja, se for diagnosticado algum tipo de anormalidade naoperação dos servidores, eles são punidos pelas ações, garantiu.
    De acordo com ele, quando diagnosticado que as ações não seguiramos padrões normais de mortes em resistência à prisão, os policiais sãoalvos de investigações pelo Ministério Público do Estado (MP),Corregedoria da PM e Polícia Civil.
    Contraponto ‚Äì Para a integrante do grupo gestor doFórum Comunitário de Combate à Violência (FCCV), a pesquisadora TâniaCordeiro, muitos jovens inocentes morrem nos alegados confrontos.
    Meninos que não têm histórico de ações violentas são acusados deatirarem contra a polícia. São jovens que acompanhamos e sabemos quenão são capazes disso, afirmou.
    Ela atribui as ações seguidas de morte ao despreparo dos PMs e a umfator específico que ela denomina de elemento de componente ideológico.Esse tipo de atitude acontece contra jovens de comunidades de baixarenda, de origem afrodescendente, concluiu.

    [/QUOTE]
    Returning back to the initial post, I agree that the police in Salvador should not be the judge, the jury and the executioner.
    I also agree that in any city of Europe or the States, you would have riots non stop if the police were on track to kill 400 people this year.
    I am certainly nor an antagonist. Just a person who has lived years in many countries of South America and I don’t like the violence in Salvador and the State of Bahia.
    This is “Vent your frustrations.” If you are not frustrated and like the violence, I can’t understand your opinion that one who does not like the violence is an atagonist.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-01 01:28:10

  • #133613

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Anyone who obsesses (to the extent of 28+ pages on a forum repeating to the nth degree the negativity of sad unlucky souls) on the violence in a city with a rich culture, exceptional natural beauty, charming, friendly people and much to offer to tourists and locals alike can be considered to be a potential customer for a good shrink. It’s the obsession, to the exclusion of everything good,that is annoying. Frustration with this merits venting.

  • #133629

    agri2001
    Participant

    I just saw this in the BBC site and the fact that the Dutch prison system has an excess of jail cells is just amazing
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8335868.stm
    “The Netherlands on the other hand has nearly 2,000 empty prison cells,thanks to a significant drop in crime since the beginning of thiscentury.”

  • #133636

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Anyone who obsesses (to the extent of 28+ pages on a forum repeating to the nth degree the negativity of sad unlucky souls) on the violence in a city with a rich culture, exceptional natural beauty, charming, friendly people and much to offer to tourists and locals alike can be considered to be a potential customer for a good shrink. It’s the obsession, to the exclusion of everything good,that is annoying. Frustration with this merits venting.[/QUOTE]
    It is my experience that posters who claim the others need to visit a shrink are not nice or kind hearted people.
    Violence in Salvador is a huge problem and the fact that the police are on track to kill hundreds of residents is a human rights crisis. I have friends and family that have been victims of violence in Bahia and this I can state from personal experience.
    The solution is not that difficult. Brazil needs to federalize the schools and double teacher wages. They could do the same for the police and health care workers. The Federal government is sitting on two hundred billion dollars. They have even sent tens of billions of dollars to the IMF.
    The next step is to follow the lead of Colombia and provide libraries and community centers to the favelas as well as rapid transit in the form of gondolas/cable cars.
    Then follow Mexico and decriminalize drug use. Tax the product and use the revenue to pay for rehab centers.
    That would be a start. So here not only do we discuss the violence but search for a solution. This is well worth talking about.
    With over forty killed and the downed helicopter, Rio takes the lead for violence this last week. Yet the tourists still flood the place so a discussion of violence has no impact on tourism.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-02 00:19:20

  • #133637

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=agri2001]I just saw this in the BBC site and the fact that the Dutch prison system has an excess of jail cells is just amazing
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8335868.stm
    “The Netherlands on the other hand has nearly 2,000 empty prison cells,thanks to a significant drop in crime since the beginning of thiscentury.”
    [/QUOTE]
    Most of the jail cells in Salvador have forty people in a space designed for two. Perhaps Wagner could export prisoners to Holland for a more humane detention. He could ask Lula to fund the program since the Federal Government is sitting on two hundred billion dollars.

  • #133646

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Anyone who obsesses (to the extent of 28+ pages on a forum repeating to the nth degree the negativity of sad unlucky souls) on the violence in a city with a rich culture, exceptional natural beauty, charming, friendly people and much to offer to tourists and locals alike can be considered to be a potential customer for a good shrink. It’s the obsession, to the exclusion of everything good,that is annoying. Frustration with this merits venting.[/QUOTE]
    It is my experience that posters who claim the others need to visit a shrink are not nice or kind hearted people.

    Violence in Salvador is a huge problem and the fact that the police are on track to kill hundreds of residents is a human rights crisis. I have friends and family that have been victims of violence in Bahia and this I can state from personal experience.

    The solution is not that difficult. Brazil needs to federalize the schools and double teacher wages. They could do the same for the police and health care workers. The Federal government is sitting on two hundred billion dollars. They have even sent tens of billions of dollars to the IMF.

    The next step is to follow the lead of Colombia and provide libraries and community centers to the favelas as well as rapid transit in the form of gondolas/cable cars.

    Then follow Mexico and decriminalize drug use. Tax the product and use the revenue to pay for rehab centers.

    That would be a start. So here not only do we discuss the violence but search for a solution. This is well worth talking about.

    With over forty killed and the downed helicopter, Rio takes the lead for violence this last week. Yet the tourists still flood the place so a discussion of violence has no impact on tourism.
    [/QUOTE] ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap

  • #133647

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] So here not only do we discuss the violence but search for a solution. This is well worth talking about.
    [/QUOTE] As they say, talk is cheap, especially since a small minority here can actually vote, and probably a tinier minority actually ‘put their money where their mouth is’ and are activists in Brazilian politics, or even deign to help improve a life on a one-to-one level. ConfusedThat too is worth venting frustrations about.

  • #133679

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=agri2001]I just saw this in the BBC site and the fact that the Dutch prison system has an excess of jail cells is just amazing
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8335868.stm
    “The Netherlands on the other hand has nearly 2,000 empty prison cells,thanks to a significant drop in crime since the beginning of thiscentury.”
    [/QUOTE]
    True, they tried to rent them to Belgium, but they found them too expensive.

  • #133685

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    The solution is not that difficult. Brazil needs to federalize the schools and double teacher wages.
    [/QUOTE]
    That would be inconstitutional.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    They could do the same for the police and health care workers.
    [/QUOTE]
    Same here.
    Yes, education is the biggest problem, but the political will isn’t there.
    A couple of weeks ago there was a meeting of the “childrens legislative assemble”, a mock parlament of children. A bill was proposed by one fo the kids. On the same day, a bill was proposed in parlament.
    One of the proposal was that “public buildings capture and use pluvial water for cleaning purposes and flushing the toilets”. The other bill was to create “Dia das Corinthians” in hommage of the soccer club.
    Guess which was proposed in the “parlamento mirim”??
    Education has long term results, takes some 20 years. Won’t stop violence now.
    Besides where education is most needed, schools close on a daily basis because of the violence.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    as well as rapid transit in the form of gondolas/cable cars.
    [/QUOTE]
    Is being done.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    Then follow Mexico and decriminalize drug use. Tax the product and use the revenue to pay for rehab centers.
    [/QUOTE]
    LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
    Like that will happen LOLLOLLOLLOL
    Some people that make money from this might have to vote for such a bill.

  • #133686

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire][QUOTE=agri2001]I just saw this in the BBC site and the fact that the Dutch prison system has an excess of jail cells is just amazing
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8335868.stm
    “The Netherlands on the other hand has nearly 2,000 empty prison cells,thanks to a significant drop in crime since the beginning of thiscentury.”
    [/QUOTE]
    Most of the jail cells in Salvador have forty people in a space designed for two. Perhaps Wagner could export prisoners to Holland for a more humane detention. He could ask Lula to fund the program since the Federal Government is sitting on two hundred billion dollars.
    [/QUOTE]
    That’s 2000 prisoners not 20K prisoners. Besides, a dutch cell costs 1800 euro per month.
    The prison system should be privatized, like some US/CA prisons.

  • #133691

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] So here not only do we discuss the violence but search for a solution. This is well worth talking about.
    [/QUOTE]

    As they say, talk is cheap, especially since a small minority here can actually vote, and probably a tinier minority actually ‘put their money where their mouth is’ and are activists in Brazilian politics, or even deign to help improve a life on a one-to-one level. Confused
    That too is worth venting frustrations about.

    [/QUOTE]
    If you think talk is cheap, obviously you never had any legal advice from a lawyer LOL
    You’re probably right, it’s much more useful to just ignore the problem and move on. Maybe it will go away by itself.

  • #133700

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=sven] …..ignore the problem and move on. Maybe it will go away by itself.[/QUOTE] …..About as effective in the end as all the hot air “discussing” the problem here, among folks who are pretty powerless to act to change things (or choose not to in ways that they can). LOL(Note: My legal advice in Brazil and in the U.S. comes free with the friendships that go along with it. Tends to cut to the point and not waste time in blah-blah-blah like some here.) Bahiana772009-11-03 08:58:29

  • #133701

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    Ever done psycotherapy 101 ??
    People need to talk about their traumas in order to symbolize them in their minds.

  • #133703

    lmaonade5
    Member

    So start an off-topic called “Personal Problems”, “Personal Trauma”, “Amateur Shrinks”, “I need a shrink”, or “Nostalgic for the good old days”, or even “I got robbed once and can’t get over it” ……… and stop dumping obsessively on a place in which some of us have found a rich and satisfying life. For every gringo who has a problem with/in Salvador, there are probably ten thousand who dream nightly of all the joys of being here. Let’s discuss the wonderful things about Salvador and Bahia ! In this way, we can take action and change our own lives for the better, for the positive, appreciating the good things, which in turn may have an effect on the world, by spreading positive energy. Bahiana Poliana (P.S. You’re much more effective giving out futball schedules elsewhere.) Bahiana772009-11-03 09:46:06

  • #133704

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    (P.S. You’re much more effective giving out futball schedules elsewhere.)

    [/QUOTE]
    I hate futball
    But it doesn’t mean I ignore it.
    sven2009-11-03 10:11:53

  • #133705

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]So start an off-topic called “Personal Problems”, “Personal Trauma”, “Amateur Shrinks”, “I need a shrink”, or “Nostalgic for the good old days”, or even “I got robbed once and can’t get over it” ……… and stop dumping obsessively on a place in which some of us have found a rich and satisfying life. For every gringo who has a problem with/in Salvador, there are probably ten thousand who dream nightly of all the joys of being here. Let’s discuss the wonderful things about Salvador and Bahia ! In this way, we can take action and change our own lives for the better, for the positive, appreciating the good things, which in turn may have an effect on the world, by spreading positive energy. Bahiana Poliana [/QUOTE] You are aware you’re posting this in the ‘Venting your frustrations section’? Or perhaps you’re proposing the removal of this section?Confused

  • #133709

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Juninho]

    You are aware you’re posting this in the ‘Venting your frustrations section’? Or perhaps you’re proposing the removal of this section?Confused[/QUOTE]
    It’s the salvador part that bothers her LOL

  • #133710

    mastercoop
    Member

    er, she’s complaining about people venting their frustrations at the out of control crime etc in Salvador in the venting your frustrations section

  • #133711

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=sven] [QUOTE=Juninho]

    You are aware you’re posting this in the ‘Venting your frustrations section’? Or perhaps you’re proposing the removal of this section?Confused[/QUOTE]

    It’s the salvador part that bothers her LOL
    [/QUOTE] It’s not me holding people up with a gun, kidnapping or murdering people or selling crack to kids. I suppose she needs a reality check.

  • #133716

    lmaonade5
    Member

    It’s Brazil. Again, if you’re here, you choose to live with what comes along with the good stuff. I’m sorry if something bad befell you here. Stuff happens. When you’re fed up, move on; go home, find a place you like better, a place you find safer. A bunch of badly acclimated gringos whining about what befell them, how it wasn’t like that in the good old days (lucky we don’t have snow or we’d be hearing the stories about walking uphill both ways to/from school in 2 meters of it), posting ancient newspaper articles repeatedly, and continually bashing folks who actually like it here won’t solve Brazil’s problems. Not even with all the “discussion” that even hundreds of pages here would allow (and especially with an utter lack of information on the influence of local politics). Jeez, write a book if you want to philosophize at boring length about abstract problems you aren’t likely to be able to do much about. At least you might make some money to move away with. It’s the obsessingwith violence in a place that many of us live rich, meaningful lives that bothers me. SO I’m venting my frustrationsabout that unbalanced view–until it stops!And maybe if you didn’t obsess so, you could put behind you whatever happened much faster and get on with your life, broadcasting a positive attitude, instead of all this gloom and doom. Felicidade!

  • #133717

    jonathand
    Member

    Actually I agree with Bahiana here. Obsessing about the violence in Brazil does more harm than good… it just makes you paranoid! You need to be aware of the potential violence in Brazil. You mustn’t ignore the potential violence in Brazil. But obsess about it? You’ll never settle and be happy here.

  • #133718

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    Ok, some honest facts then about Salvador. On the mapa de violencia, Salvador rates 342 with a homicide rate of 36.2. That’s 10 after Belem. If you want to nit-pick, Porto Seguro is on the 16th spot with an index of 85.8, just afer Macaé (first RJ city). Rio de Janeiro is on 205 with an index of 44. Goiania is at 139 and Coronel Sapucai tops the list.
    So no more bashing of Rio de Janeiro or Salavdor for Violence. Let’s talk about Coronel Sapucai!
    (Google : Mapa da Violência dos Municípios Brasileiros 2008 ) and you get a nice PDF on top.

  • #133725

    lmaonade5
    Member

    and don’t forget Colniza (MT), Itanhangá (MT) and Serra (ES) A homicide rate of 36.2 (which seems to include crimes of ‘passion’)? Gee, they must be waaaaay behind the schedule for the police alone posted here by the violence-obsessed .

  • #133729

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Juninho][QUOTE=Bahiana77]So start an off-topic called “Personal Problems”, “Personal Trauma”, “Amateur Shrinks”, “I need a shrink”, or “Nostalgic for the good old days”, or even “I got robbed once and can’t get over it” ……… and stop dumping obsessively on a place in which some of us have found a rich and satisfying life.

    For every gringo who has a problem with/in Salvador, there are probably ten thousand who dream nightly of all the joys of being here.
    Let’s discuss the wonderful things about Salvador and Bahia ! In this way, we can take action and change our own lives for the better, for the positive, appreciating the good things, which in turn may have an effect on the world, by spreading positive energy.
    Bahiana Poliana

    [/QUOTE]

    You are aware you’re posting this in the ‘Venting your frustrations section’?
    [/QUOTE]
    I suggest you start a new thread about “Why I love Salvador.”
    In the meanwhile 13,000 students in Rio could not go to school today because of the violence and 4 men were murdered in Salvador.
    I continue to state that the police should not be the judge, jury and executioner and in Salvador they are on track to kill hundreds of people this year. This a clearly a human rights crisis and needs to be examined.
    Fortunately Cristovam Buarque is working in the Senate to federalize the schools and provide better wages to the teachers.
    Simply discussing the violence in Salvador and the surrounding areas does no damage to the place.
    You continue to be a troll with your low blows about shrinks.

  • #133732

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Andyoucontinue to be the same negative obsessing BoboIt even after being kicked off the forum and changing your nic just to come back to augment the negativity you seem to be so addicted to. Bahiana772009-11-03 15:14:01

  • #133739

    agri2001
    Participant

    Gee…!! This is getting pretty interesting.

  • #133747

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Andyoucontinue to be the same negative obsessing BoboIt even after being kicked off the forum and changing your nic just to come back to augment the negativity you seem to be so addicted to. [/QUOTE]
    BoboIt? Bobo is Spanish for stupid. You continue your lowball name calling nonsense. Your constant name calling and references to shinks indicates you are not nice or kind.
    BobbyItaparica started this thread and has done a good job to bring forward a discussion of violence in Salvador.
    You claim to live a rich and full life on a hill above Ponta Areia in a favela, yet you have plenty of time to hang out in lan houses to toss insults about and pick fights with other posters. I want no part of that. That is certainly not rich or fulfilling.
    Please start a thread about living a “full and rich life on Itaparica.”
    The fact that the police are on track to kill hundreds of people in Salvador this year is a human rights issue. The police must not be the judge jury and executioner.
    That gringoes are being attacked in the NorthEast of Brazil is sad but true.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-03 18:36:05

  • #133749

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=agri2001]Gee…!! This is getting pretty interesting.[/QUOTE]
    For real fun start from the first post. Get some chips and dip or some popcorn and have a good time.LOLLOLLOL

  • #133752

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77] It’s Brazil. Again, if you’re here, you choose to live with what comes along with the good stuff. I’m sorry if something bad befell you here. Stuff happens. When you’re fed up, move on; go home, find a place you like better, a place you find safer. A bunch of badly acclimated gringos whining about what befell them, how it wasn’t like that in the good old days (lucky we don’t have snow or we’d be hearing the stories about walking uphill both ways to/from school in 2 meters of it), posting ancient newspaper articles repeatedly, and continually bashing folks who actually like it here won’t solve Brazil’s problems. Not even with all the “discussion” that even hundreds of pages here would allow (and especially with an utter lack of information on the influence of local politics). Jeez, write a book if you want to philosophize at boring length about abstract problems you aren’t likely to be able to do much about. At least you might make some money to move away with. It’s the obsessingwith violence in a place that many of us live rich, meaningful lives that bothers me. SO I’m venting my frustrationsabout that unbalanced view–until it stops!And maybe if you didn’t obsess so, you could put behind you whatever happened much faster and get on with your life, broadcasting a positive attitude, instead of all this gloom and doom. Felicidade! [/QUOTE] It’s not Brazil, it’s Salvador. I did move on after repeated robberies and certainly don’t obsess with it but I’ll certainly continue to comment on these issues. And don’t call me badly acclimatised simply because being continually robbed in Salvador irks me. The first step to solving a problem is recognition of it and you seem to be in complete denial. As for the statistics – how many robberies do you think go reported? I for one didn’t bother reporting mine.

  • #133759

    celso
    Member

    This poor man Manoel Machado, was beaten to death on the island of Itaparica. Thisplace has about fifty thousand inhabitants and to die at 54 years of age Itaparica wasno paradise for him. He had been in the hospital of Itaparica since the 24th of October. May he rest in peace and the attackers be found as to date there are no suspects jailed.

    bahia -02.11.2009 – 17h05

    Homem morre no HGE após ser agredido a pauladas em Itaparica

    Redação CORREIO

    Umhomem morreu nesta segunda-feira (2) após ter sido agredido a pauladasna Ilha de Itaparica, segundo informações da Central deTelecomunicações das Polícias Civil e Militar (Centel).

    Manoel Machado, de 54 anos, estava internado no Hospital Geral doEstado (HGE) desde o dia 24 de outubro, para onde foi transferido emestado grave após sofrer a agressão. Ele chegou a ser socorrido noHospital Geral de Itaparica, mas como o caso se agravou ele foitransferido para Salvador.

    Com graves ferimentos na cabeça, a vítima ficou internada durantetoda a semana e não resistiu. Policiais da 19¬™ Delegacia (Itaparica)investigam o crime. Ninguém foi preso.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-04 02:19:56

  • #133760

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] This poor man Manoel Machado, was beaten to death on the island of Itaparica. This place has about fifty thousand inhabitants and to die at 54 years of age Itaparica was no paradise for him. He had been in the hospital of Itaparica since the 24th of October. May he rest in peace and the attackers be found as to date there are no suspects jailed.

    bahia -02.11.2009 – 17h05

    Homem morre no HGE após ser agredido a pauladas em Itaparica

    Redação CORREIO

    Um homem morreu nesta segunda-feira (2) após ter sido agredido a pauladas na Ilha de Itaparica, segundo informações da Central de Telecomunicações das Polícias Civil e Militar (Centel).

    Manoel Machado, de 54 anos, estava internado no Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE) desde o dia 24 de outubro, para onde foi transferido em estado grave após sofrer a agressão. Ele chegou a ser socorrido no Hospital Geral de Itaparica, mas como o caso se agravou ele foi transferido para Salvador.

    Com graves ferimentos na cabeça, a vítima ficou internada durante toda a semana e não resistiu. Policiais da 19¬™ Delegacia (Itaparica) investigam o crime. Ninguém foi preso.
    [/QUOTE] As if any evidence was necessary that GBofF was one and the same person as BobbyItaperica….. here we have it! Poor SteelRat – he tries to monitor and manage these boards to try and keep them a reasonably friendly place and people just disregard him and come back with new identities.

  • #133770

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Don’t be blue, Balls. Haven’t you heard that “Nicewomen don’t make history.”I read it on a bumper sticker, so it must be true (and a good counter to the rampant sexism of the world and this forum). But I really don’t spell very well, so typos do happen (as anyone who complains about homocide might endeavor to understand, esp. after reading a little Freud)

    And yes, Greg, it’s too bad that people like BoboBalls (oh, gee, there goes a typo again! ooooops!) have no shame about coming back when they’ve been banned. That’s the sign of a really nice person, with manners and morals, blissful in his ignorance. (But he has such great but totally unrealistic fantasies of what my life is like, despite my having described its joys, that he’s almost amusing enough to keep around for the laughs, so say those who’ve been reading along over my shoulder.) Again, for those who are still obsessing about some past incident in Salvador– yes, it happened to you; yes, it happened in Salvador; yes, we are sorry to hear it, anytime it happens to anyone anywhere; yes, it happens in many places in Brazil and elsewhere, where poverty and opportunism meet; yes, it is possible to live in Salvador happily without experiencing this; yes, people experience it, don’t feel the need to obsess about it, and move on to choose to be happy, not traumatized; yes, that’s a choice! yes, it is possible to choose to have a positive attitude without being in denial ! Fica feliz, folks !

  • #133779

    micko
    Member

    This is like shooting fish in a barrel!!!

    Turista francês é esfaqueado e tem orelha decepada em assalto na Ilha de Itaparica, na Bahia

    SALVADOR – Um turista francês de 60 anos foi gravemente feridodurante um assalto à pousada Privilege, na Ilha de Itaparica, na Bahia,na noite desta terça-feira. Segundo a polícia, o crime ocorreu porvolta de 18h, quando seis bandidos invadiram a pousada e anunciaram oassalto ainda da recepção.

    Não há informação se o turista reagiu, mas ele foi atingidofacadas no peito e na cabeça por um dos assaltantes. O homem teve umade suas orelhas decepadas e foi socorrido no Hospital Geral deItaparica.

    Outros hóspedes e funcionários também foram espancados eroubados. Os bandidos saquearam a pousada levando notebooks, máquinasfotográficas, celulares e utensílios pessoais, além R$ 2.800 do caixada pousada e 2.500 euros de um dos hóspedes.

    Depois do assalto, os seis homens fugiram em direção aSalvador, a bordo do ferry boat, com um carro de um dos bandidos.Agentes da delegacia entraram em contato com a Central deTelecomunicações das Polícias Civil e Militar (Centel) para pedirreforço. Uma guarnição da Rondesp foi encaminhada para o TerminalMarítimo, onde foi feita a prisão em flagrante.

    De acordo com o delegado titular, da 24¬™ Delegacia de Polícia,Rafael Magalhães, os seis bandidos, que foram presos em flagrante, jáhaviam feito arrastão em outras localidades. Os bandidos que tem idadeentre 20 a 27 anos estão detidos na 24¬™DP.

    oglobo.globo.com/cidades/mat/2009/11/04/turista-frances-esfaqueado-tem-orelha-decepada-em-assalto-na-ilha-de-itaparica-na-bahia-914595254.asp

    A sixty year old tourist … maybe they could have given him one of those capoeira kicks instead of stabbing him in the chest and cutting his ear off!

  • #133781

    lmaonade5
    Member

    So… there were two hostel invasions/robberies in Rio, a holdup of a tour in Tijuca, a holdup of a tourist in a taxi on the way from the airport, and more, all within a few days….. It’s Brazil. Rich tourists get robbed. Rich Brazilians get kidnapped. (also under-reported, I’m sure, for safety of victim) Rich homeowners get houses broken into. Even not-so-rich Brazilian merchants get hijacked and held up on buses going to buy merchandise. If anyone decides to dedicate his time to looking for news of that type, as people have decided to do here, so para contrariar, I’m sure it could be found for most anywhere in Brazil, as sven’s statistics of yesterday show. Get on with the life you think is so wonderful and tell us all about the high points, instead of obsessingwith violence and bad karma. (I’m just venting my frustrations,mind you. ;-)

  • #133782

    815
    Member

    How the HELL did they think they were going to get away on the ferry boat. Besides being violent animals, they are stupid animals.
    Good job by the police. Thumbs%20UpWhen I was robbed in Salvador just months ago, the police impressed me with their professionalism, go get’em attitude and friendliness towards my wife and I. Here in Sampa, they couldn’t have given less of a damn.

  • #133783

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    Don’t be blue, Balls. Haven’t you heard that “Nicewomen don’t make history.”I read it on a bumper sticker, so it must be true (and a good counter to the rampant sexism of the world and this forum). But I really don’t spell very well, so typos do happen (as anyone who complains about homocide might endeavor to understand, esp. after reading a little Freud)

    And yes, Greg, it’s too bad that people like BoboBalls (oh, gee, there goes a typo again! ooooops!) have no shame about coming back when they’ve been banned. That’s the sign of a really nice person, with manners and morals, blissful in his ignorance. (But he has such great but totally unrealistic fantasies of what my life is like, despite my having described its joys, that he’s almost amusing enough to keep around for the laughs, so say those who’ve been reading along over my shoulder.)
    Again, for those who are still obsessing about some past incident in Salvador–
    yes, it happened to you;
    yes, it happened in Salvador;
    yes, we are sorry to hear it, anytime it happens to anyone anywhere;
    yes, it happens in many places in Brazil and elsewhere, where poverty and opportunism meet;
    yes, it is possible to live in Salvador happily without experiencing this;
    yes, people experience it, don’t feel the need to obsess about it, and move on to choose to be happy, not traumatized; yes, that’s a choice!
    yes, it is possible to choose to have a positive attitude without being in denial !
    Fica feliz, folks !

    [/QUOTE]
    So was BobbyItaparica “banned?”
    One funny posting about dressing down in Brazil re coconut jewelry and fliflops. Strike one.
    A posting in which he refers to a poster as BahBah after being call BoBo (stupid) anbout twent times by the “offended poster. Strike two.
    Posting a smiley face after viewing a comment about Hulk and pamprin.
    Strike three.
    Way too heavy and unfair. All incidents involving you know who.
    Based upon your insults you should be banned at least 10 times. I guess I’m way too nice as I would never go crying to Steelrat like others do.

  • #133784

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA]How the HELL did they think they were going to get away on the ferry boat. Besides being violent animals, they are stupid animals.
    Good job by the police. Thumbs%20UpWhen I was robbed in Salvador just months ago, the police impressed me with their professionalism, go get’em attitude and friendliness towards my wife and I. Here in Sampa, they couldn’t have given less of a damn.
    [/QUOTE]
    Six youths in early twenties invade a pousada in Itaparica, and cut off a Frenchman’s ear!!! They ransack the place and loot it to boot.
    Thank God the cops got them!! May they rot in jail.

  • #133785

    celso
    Member

    More information about the half dozen armed youths that looted the pousada in Cacha Pregos, looted 30 people at a party and also robbed a couple via armed robbery.
    Welcome to Itaparica. Thank God the police got them.
    The sad part is that attacks against gringoes in Salvador is getting more common as these guys nearly pulled off a big heist. Just takes six young guys with guns to take down a hotel and loot the gringoes. In this case about ten thousand reais in ten minutes.
    This story will get plenty of press and a bunch of copycat crimes will come later. As these fellows rot in jail they will tell their buddies to be more careful during the getaway.
    odas as notícias de CIDADES

    < id=”Noticia” name=”Noticia” method=”post” =”/cidades/noticia.jsf” enc=”application/x-www–urlencoded”>

    04/11/2009 às 11:26

    – ATUALIZADAàs 13:26COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Polícia prende seis homens que invadiram pousada na Ilha de Itaparica

    A TARDE On Line

    >> Você já foi vítima de insegurança na Ilha de Itaparica?

    Foram presos, na manhã desta quarta-feira, 4, quando voltavam paraSalvador pelo sistema ferry-boat, os seis homens que assaltaram apousada Privillege, em Cacha Prego, na Ilha de Itaparica, na noitedesta terça-feira. A ação aconteceu por volta das 18h30, quando oscriminosos chegaram em umGol prata (placa HGO-7851) e anunciaram o assalto. Armados, osbandidos arrombaram quartos, trancaram funcionários no banheiro edepois agrediram hóspedes e um dos sócios do estabelecimento. Umturista francês recebeu diversas facadas.

    De acordo com o delegado plantonista da 24¬™ delegacia (Vera Cruz),Rafael Godinho, foram roubados dois notebooks, R$ 2 mil, dois mileuros, além de celulares e diversos itens que pertenciam aos hóspedes.No primeiro andar da pousada estava o turista francês identificadoapenas como Emiliou Toulou, 64 anos. Depois de ter a porta do quartoarrombada, a vítima brigou com um dos bandidos e acabou atingido porfacadas no peito e na cabeça.

    Um dos golpes atingiu uma das suas orelhas, que foi reconstituída emcirurgia. O francês, que está internado no Hospital Geral de Itaparicateve perfurações de média profundidade no pulmão, tórax e barriga. Apolícia ainda não sabe se o homem reagiu ou porque ele foi atingido.Emiliou Toulou deve ser transferido para um hospital de Salvador aindanesta quarta.

    O bandido apontado pela polícia como autor das facadas é Reginaldode Souza Coelho, que já tem passagem por tráfico de drogas e éconsiderado o mais perigoso do bando. Além dele, participaram da açãoMiller Alves de Lira, Cleber Ribeiro dos Santos, Jean Santos Soares,Leandro Sampaio e Fernando Moreira Conceição. Todos com idades entre 22e 27 anos.

    Durante o assalto, os homens trancaram três funcionárias no banheiroe agrediram com socos dois sócios da pousada. Dentre eles está ofrancês Phillipe Carter. O delegado afirma que a prisão foi possívelgraças à audácia dos bandidos, que depois do crime resolveram pegar oferry-boat às 9h40 para voltar a Salvador.

    “Nós estávamos sabendo do caso e fomos informados que estavam em um Golprata com uma batida no fundo. Assim que chegaram, foram presos pelaRondesp [Rondas Especiais] e pedi que mandassem todos de volta paraVera Cruz”, disse o delegado, após lembrar que os bandidos moram naregião de Águas Claras, em Salvador, e são perigosos. Um deles, JeanSantos, estava solto graças ao regime de condicional, mas havia sidopreso por formação de quadrilha e roubo.

    Outros assaltos –O mesmo grupo de assaltantes invadiuuma festa com cerca de 20 pessoas no sábado, 31, na mesma região deCatu, próximo a Cacha Prego. Foram levados documentos, celulares eoutros pertences. Na segunda-feira, 2, eles atacaram um casal em outracasa da região e levaram R$700, alianças de ouro, relógios, celulares,documentos e roupas.

    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-04 13:08:53

  • #133786

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    Don’t be blue, Balls. Haven’t you heard that “Nicewomen don’t make history.”I read it on a bumper sticker, so it must be true (and a good counter to the rampant sexism of the world and this forum). But I really don’t spell very well, so typos do happen (as anyone who complains about homocide might endeavor to understand, esp. after reading a little Freud)

    And yes, Greg, it’s too bad that people like BoboBalls (oh, gee, there goes a typo again! ooooops!) have no shame about coming back when they’ve been banned. That’s the sign of a really nice person, with manners and morals, blissful in his ignorance. (But he has such great but totally unrealistic fantasies of what my life is like, despite my having described its joys, that he’s almost amusing enough to keep around for the laughs, so say those who’ve been reading along over my shoulder.) Again, for those who are still obsessing about some past incident in Salvador– yes, it happened to you; yes, it happened in Salvador; yes, we are sorry to hear it, anytime it happens to anyone anywhere; yes, it happens in many places in Brazil and elsewhere, where poverty and opportunism meet; yes, it is possible to live in Salvador happily without experiencing this; yes, people experience it, don’t feel the need to obsess about it, and move on to choose to be happy, not traumatized; yes, that’s a choice! yes, it is possible to choose to have a positive attitude without being in denial ! Fica feliz, folks ! [/QUOTE] Yes, Salvador is one of the most dangerous cities in Brazil, Yes, crime is out of control in Salvador, Yes, it doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor you’re still a target there, Yes, there are plenty of poor places in the world way safer than Salvador (e.g. Bolivia) Yes, you can bury you’re head in the sand or pretend it ain’t so, Yes, you’ll be more relaxed somewhere else where you’re not a sitting duck (or sheltering in your fortress).

  • #133787

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] …refers to a poster as BahBah [/QUOTE] which I actually kind of took as a compliment, as in: BahBah Walters, the famous reporter BahBah Streisand, the famous singer baba, the person who takes care of your treasured offspring BahBah, the comforting communication of gentle sheep to friends ….but apparently SteelRat and others had a different opinion of BooBoo’s agenda (oooh, typo agaaaaaain) LOLDon’t be blue, Balls, because your/your alter ego BoboIt’s sad tries don’t get to me. Back to my happy life (not in a Lan house, dear) on the beautiful island…..maybe time for a swim break. Fica feliz (esp. all you guys in polluted, urban, expensive, dangerous Grande S.P.) Juninho: No, even according to sven’s statistics it’s way down the list No, not any more so than many other places in Brazil, including S.P., where people even buy helicopters to avoid being kidnapped and the blindex industry is booming, and Rio, and the lauded Porto Alegre known for its crime, and all those smaller towns listed in the statistics No, it doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor you’re still a target anywhere in Brazil, but if you have “rich tourist’ engraved on your forehead…or are a rich resident with a regular schedule…… Yes, there are plenty of poor places in the world way more dangerous than Salvador (e.g. L.A., NYC) No, no one is burying their head in the sand, just choosing not to obsess Yes, you can choose to be relaxed in Salvador and No, you don’t have to hide, just go about enjoying your life Fica feliz! Bahiana772009-11-04 13:47:27

  • #133794

    mastercoop
    Member

    If you believe those statistics you’re rather guillible. SP isn’t in the same league as Salvador and the helicopters are to avoid the traffic, not the muggers. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil…

  • #133795

    ClaudePeebles
    Participant

    I know this is not Salvador, and it’s not violent, it’s funny……well in a morbid way. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/11/04/man_appears_alive_at_own_funeral_in_brazil/

  • #133799

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Let’s all move to S.P. where it’s safe…. (Taking a page or two from BoboIt’s book…..)

    SÃO PAULO, Brazil‚Äî After being robbed twice in traffic, once at gunpoint, João Neves cast aside whatever concerns he had about the global economic crisis and bought himself an armored car two months ago.

    Even though the crisis does exist, I consider my well-being and my security a priority, said Mr. Neves, the owner of a small marketing agency. I am afraid of being shot dead.

    Rather than buy a new car, though, Mr. Neves opted for a 2005 Volkswagen Passat capable of withstanding bullets fired from a .44 Magnum revolver or a 9-millimeter submachine gun.

    Brazilians have already trimmed their appetites for appliances and electronics in the recession, but bulletproofing is one expense they are not giving up easily. Once the domain of the very rich, armored cars have become a middle- and upper-middle-class obsession, especially in this huge city notorious for roadside assaults and kidnappings.

    Officially, crime is on the wane. But as the economy slides and the country sheds jobs, there is a palpable dread that street crime will get worse as well, economists here say. Many Paulistanos, as São Pauloresidents are called, say the interminable stop-and-go traffic and the wide gap between haves and have-nots are recipes for assaults and carjackings, especially now that Brazil‚Äôs boom times have come to a halt.

    It is not a question of if you are going to be assaulted, it is when it is going to happen, said Craig Bavington, who runs a tourist agency based here. After being assaulted twice, he decided to buy a used armored car two years ago when his wife became pregnant with their first child.

    More than 7,000 vehicles were armored for civilian use in Brazilin 2008, up from 1,782 a decade earlier, and the pace has continued in 2009 despite the economy’s dispiriting first quarter, according to the Brazilian Association of Bulletproof Manufacturers.

    A decade ago, there were just a handful of armoring companies in Brazil. Today there are about 120.

    São Pauloleads the country ‚Äî and the world ‚Äî in making and selling armored cars. Rio de Janeiro, a city with legitimate concerns about stray bullets from gang warfare in the favelas, or shantytowns, overhanging the city, is Brazil‚Äôs second-largest market.

    The government, perhaps unwittingly, has helped perpetuate the bulletproofing wave. With industrial production slowing last year, President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva‚Äôs administration removed a tax on the car industry, saving buyers from 5 to 7.5 percent.

    The change was so popularthat the government recently took similar action for electronics and appliances, hoping to stop the bleeding in those industries as well.

    So while car sales have suffered in other parts of the world, they have surged here in the past four months, the longest streak of monthly sales increases since 2002, according to the National Association of Car Manufacturers. And when car sales are strong, industry officials say, bulletproofing invariably follows. With so many companies now in the field, the cost of armoring a car has fallen in Brazilin the past decade, to about $22,000 from $55,000, opening the business to a new category of consumer. A decade ago, BMWs, Mercedes-Benzes and Jeep Cherokees were the models most sought after for armoring; today, Toyota, Volkswagen and Chevrolet are in the top five.

    Ultimately, however, crime is the forcebehind it all. Economic contagion in the late 1990s spread from Asia to Brazil, sinking the currency’s value here and leading to record unemployment and high poverty.

    In 1999, the city of São Paulorecorded a murder rateof nearly 53 per 100,000 people, according to the state‚Äôs Department of Public Safety ‚Äî much worse than New York Cityhas ever recorded. In the late 1990s, the United Nationsranked Jardim Ângela, in São Paulo, as the most violent neighborhoodin the world.

    Since then, the murder rate in São Paulohas fallen by 78 percent and vehicle thefts by 38 percent, though armed robberies have dropped by only 6 percent. More police officers are on the streets, especially on big, congested avenues, said Tulio Kahn, the São Paulostate coordinator of planning and analysis. Global positioning systems and coded locking devices have helped many owners track and retrieve their stolen cars.

    And yet, Mr. Kahn said the drop in the crime statistics has not kept people from continuing to feel insecure.

    A new wave of flash or express kidnappings, unplanned assaults in which robbers take their captives to cash machines and then free them after a few hours, has not helped matters. This type of crime has really scared people, Mr. Kahn said.

    A commodity-led boom in Brazilin the past several years gave many Paulistanos the money to fight back. More stable inflation set off an unprecedented expansion in consumer credit. Car sales surged to record levels, topping 2.8 million in 2008, up from 1.9 million in 2006; according to government statistics, there are about 6.4 million cars on the roads in São Paulo, a city with a population of 11 million.

    The ability to buy cars in multiple payments also helped make armored cars more affordable to middle- and upper-middle-class professionals like Mr. Neves. Today, dentists, children of small businessmen, even shoe store owners are buying armored cars, many of them used, said João Jorge Chamlian, owner of Auto Miami, a dealership here for armored cars.

    On the city’s outskirts, at the hangar-size assembly plant for Truffi, one of Brazil’s largest armoring companies, some 100 workers installed yellow Kevlar and thick glass windows one recent morning. The bulletproof armor adds about 400 pounds to a car’s weight, which reduces gas mileage and increases wear and tear.

    For Mr. Neves, who spends more than two and a half hours a day commuting, the more protection the better. He was shaken, he said, when a client of his was shot dead by a robber who took only the man’s watch. When you are inside an armored car, Mr. Neves said, you feel as if you are inside a fortress.

    For Alessandra Amara, a bulletproof car became a necessary expense three years ago, she said, after she was robbed for the 11th time in little more than 10 years. Having an armored car in this city is essential, said Ms. Amara, 34, who works in the financial department of a car dealership. I have been robbed every way imaginable.

    Once, thieves abducted her in her car at gunpoint and made her pull money from two bank machines before freeing her. Another night, as she waited in her car at a red light, a gunman stole her wallet as witnesses silently stood by.

    The last straw came when she was leaving work in bumper-to-bumper traffic. Suddenly, a boy slammed a stone through her window and grabbed for her purse. She took her foot off the clutch and crashed into the car ahead of hers. She clung to the purse and the thief ran away.

    She arrived home, trembling with fear. Soon after, she became pregnant, and she and her husband decided to buy a used armored car. If the government can’t keep me safe, Ms. Amara said, then I have to go out and look for that security on my own.

  • #133800

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] …refers to a poster as BahBah [/QUOTE]

    which I actually kind of took as a compliment, as in:
    BahBah Walters, the famous reporter
    BahBah Streisand, the famous singer
    baba, the person who takes care of your treasured offspring
    BahBah, the comforting communication of gentle sheep to friends
    ….but apparently SteelRat and others had a different opinion of BooBoo’s agenda (oooh, typo agaaaaaain)
    LOL
    Don’t be blue, Balls, because your/your alter ego BoboIt’s sad tries don’t get to me.
    Back to my happy life (not in a Lan house, dear) on the beautiful island…..maybe time for a swim break. Fica feliz (esp. all you guys in polluted, urban, expensive, dangerous Grande S.P.)
    Juninho:

    No, even according to sven’s statistics it’s way down the list

    No, not any more so than many other places in Brazil, including S.P., where people even buy helicopters to avoid being kidnapped and the blindex industry is booming, and Rio, and the lauded Porto Alegre known for its crime, and all those smaller towns listed in the statistics
    No, it doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor you’re still a target anywhere in Brazil, but if you have “rich tourist’ engraved on your forehead…or are a rich resident with a regular schedule……
    Yes, there are plenty of poor places in the world way more dangerous than Salvador (e.g. L.A., NYC)
    No, no one is burying their head in the sand, just choosing not to obsess
    Yes, you can choose to be relaxed in Salvador and
    No, you don’t have to hide, just go about enjoying your life
    Fica feliz!

    [/QUOTE]
    I belive the BahBah was a play on words based upon your BoBo. Just a term of endearment.
    I admire your cheerful ability to take off for a swim the very next day after the pousada incident.
    Just like me when I flew down to Brazil a few days after the Air France incident. It was a very rough flight, but I made it just fine.
    Fica Feliz!

  • #133801

    lmaonade5
    Member

    An interesting article on what was brought into play to try to reduce high crime in S.P., and which is, according to the article, working: http://scela.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/violent-crime-and-homicides-in-sao-paulo-underlying-factors-and-recent-trends1-renato-sergio-de-lima2/

  • #133817

    815
    Member

    ^
    Hold the phone! There is violent crime in Sao Paulo?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
    Who’da thunk it?

  • #133826

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Not anyone obsessing about Salvador apparently. Yet, gee, some of you actually manage to live in S.P., maybe even happily (though one couldn’t tell from what’s been posted here that anyone is ….whoa, a radical thought……happy), with all that crime there…….Maybe you’re all just wandering around in a blindex bubble?

  • #133828

    ClaudePeebles
    Participant

    You need to put the top back on that bottle….you’re starting to rant (more) nonsense. Have a nice day.

  • #133829

    lmaonade5
    Member

    So I’m becoming just like everyone else here? (What a warm fuzzy feeling to know I fit in.) or Rant? Anger and violence? On the contrary…..that’s what I’m campaigning against: folks who are obsessed with violence, instead of choosing happiness, in a place that offers so many opportunities para ficar feliz. Bahiana772009-11-05 09:08:37

  • #133830

    celso
    Member
    Here are the youths who nearly killed the frenchman, and terrorized the island of Itaparica. Greedy, heartless, inhumane animals. You think they might of taken some shoes while looting of the hotel.

    05/11/2009 às 01:39 – ATUALIZADAàs 01:45COMENTÁRIO (0)

    Ladrões aterrorizam a Ilha de Itaparica

    Cristina Santos Pita e Samuel Lima

    Lúcio Távora / Agência A TARDE

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    Uma quadrilha de assaltantes foi presa no início da madrugada destaquarta, depois de aterrorizar a região de Cacha Prego, na Ilha deItaparica (Grande Salvador), durante o fim de semana e feriado. Oturista francês Emile Toulou, 64 anos, quase teve a orelha esquerdadecepada durante um assalto à Pousada Privillege na noite deterça-feira.

    Seis criminosos, que também levaram terror a casas da região, forampresos em flagrante após a meia-noite, quando desembarcavam doferryboat em São Joaquim, por oito militares das Rondas Especiais(Rondesp), que fizeram barreiras na saída das embarcações, após teremsido avisados por policiais civis da ilha que ouviram testemunhas evítimas dos crimes. Os bandidos estavam no VW gol cinza, placaHGO-7821. Levados de volta para a 24¬™ CP, em Mar Grande, foramreconhecidos pelas vítimas.

    Os assaltantes são Cleber Ribeiro dos Santos, 25 anos; Miller Alvesde Lira, 23; Jean Santos Soares, 28; e Leandro Sampaio, 21, todos deSalvador, apontados por agir nos bairros de Cajazeiras e Águas Claras.Dois são de Baiacu, distrito de Vera Cruz: Fernando Moreira Conceição,19, e Reginaldo de Souza Coelho, 28.

    Alguns já possuíam registro na polícia por furto e roubo. JeanSantos estava solto graças ao regime de condicional, mas havia sidopreso por formação de quadrilha e roubo. O bandido apontado pelapolícia como autor das facadas ao turista francês é Reginaldo de SouzaCoelho, que já tem passagem por tráfico de drogas e é considerado omais perigoso do bando.

    Francês – Depois de ter sido atendido na ilha, ofrancês Emile Toulou foi transferido, no final da tarde de ontem, parao Hospital Geral do Estado, na capital. Ele passou por várias cirurgiase reconstituiu a orelha. Segundo informações da direção do hospital nailha, o francês permaneceu consciente e não corre risco de morte,apesar da gravidade dos ferimentos.

    Ele foi esfaqueado no tórax e na barriga e uma das facadas perfurouo pulmão da vítima, que também teve múltiplos cortes no rosto. Toulou eo alemão Daniel Hertzog, 60, que nada sofreu, estavam hospedados naPousada Privillege e são amigos do dono, o também francês Marc PhilippeCatel, espancado.

    Por volta das 18h, eles foram surpreendidos na praia e obrigados aentrar na pousada. Três funcionários foram trancados no banheiro,enquanto os bandidos saqueavam o estabelecimento. Todos foram roubados.

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  • #133832

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Did this horrific crime happen in Salvador?_________________________

    5 Teenagers Charged with Burning 15-Year-Old

    A 13-year-old and four 15-year-old boys are charged with aggravated batteryover the attack on 15-year-old “X” that left him with burn injuries on 65-80% of his body. “X” was doused with rubbing alcohol before his body was lit on fire. Witnesses allege that 15-year-old “A” was the instigator of the attack, which the say occurred because of a feud over money owed and a stolen bike. “A” was arrested while stealing the bike when “X” called the cops on him. He was released from a juvenile center on Monday.

    At around 3pm that day, police say “A”, brothers “B” and “C”, 13 and 15, “D”, 15, and “E”, 15, got a bottle rubbing alcohol and went to an apartment complex where they encountered “Z”. The 15-year-old reportedly tried to leave but the other boys allegedly surrounded him and poured the alcohol on his body. “A” then allegedly used a lighter to set “Z” on fire. “Z” ran to the complex pool and jumped in. In addition to aggravated battery, “A”is charged with attempted second-degree murder. If “Z” dies from his burn injuries, all 5 teens, who already have juvenile crime records, could be charged with murder.

    _____________________________________

    Violent crime is a tragedy wherever it occurs, but it is not balanced reporting to focus just on one place. Vent your frustrations about crime in general …..and then, go out and act, use that energy to do something positive to make the world better. Bahiana772009-11-05 10:17:28
  • #133835

    micko
    Member

    I read all about this incident because it happened in Deerfield Beach Florida and I happened to have lived there for a short while. Oddly enough Deerfield and neighboring Pompano Beach have a lot of Brazilian immigrants and the associated Brazilian travel agency/mini-mart/resturant combos … kinda like certain places in the Boston area …

  • #133848

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=Terry_2]

    You need to put the top back on that bottle….you’re starting to rant (more) nonsense.
    Have a nice day.

    [/QUOTE]
    LOL

  • #133849

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Paulistano USA
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    LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLDead

    (Sad that few here speak/write correct English. ‘Rant’ does not mean what you are attributing to the word, or to my posts. It does, however, apply to Bobo/Balls’ posts, but I don’t see you remonstrating him, but that’s probably because he’s part of the boys’ club and it’s more sporting, and maybe seen as easier prey, to bash women.) Bahiana772009-11-05 13:09:17

  • #133857

    ClaudePeebles
    Participant

    I guess Princeton speak/write correct English…below from their website which most certainly applies to your posts, Ms Perfect.

    Noun

    Verb

  • #133863

    lmaonade5
    Member

    A synonym is not a definition. ..and from several other dictionary sources defining the word:

    n.Violent speech or writing.
    v.intr.To speak or write in an angry or violent manner

    v.tr.To utter or express with violence

    v. to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently

    n. extravagant or violent declamation.

    v.declaim violently

    no violence, in fact anti-violence

    No anger, just talk of happy lives lived

    no extravagance, just fact

    It is, rather, the obsessive’s postings of violence that fit this definition.

    Bahiana772009-11-05 16:04:36

  • #133865

    ClaudePeebles
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]..and from several other dictionary sources defining the word:

    n.Violent speech or writing.
    v.intr.To speak or write in an angry or violent manner

    v.tr.To utter or express with violence

    v. to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently

    n. extravagant or violent declamation.

    v.declaim violently[/QUOTE]

    Well, that‚Äôs exactly how you present most of your posts, if the cap fits…..

    I’ve had enough of this girl talk…I‚Äôm off to the pub for a beer with the boys.

  • #133869

    lmaonade5
    Member

    I have not written from anger or about violence (except to demonstrate that my paradise is not the only place the world touched by it occasionally). I’ve been talking about the fact that we have a happy, rich and peaceful life in a tropical paradise that others apparently see merely as a violent cesspool. There are a couple of other residents here on the forum who apparently agree with me that is quite possible, and in fact common, to do so here. I invite anyone to come and see the great life that is possible in Salvador. (I understand it amuses you to think you are toying with me. Little boys and their aggressive, bullying ways…….quite sad.) Fica feliz folks.

  • #133892

    815
    Member

    I’ve been to Salvador. I took the challenge. TO MEit is like the toilet from that scene in Trainspotting where the guy dreams that he falls in to get his heroin suppository that fell out of his arse. Many of my Brazilian friends agree (the majority, actually). Most people avoid it like the plague.
    It’s awesome that you like it. Really. My father likes tripe (pickled pigs’ joints) God bless him. I used to be into hard core music. My mom thought it sounded like a guy getting castrated (without anesthesia) in a loud factory. My sister liked the New Kids on the Block. Need I make a commentarty? If people don’t agree with these “likes”, there is no reason to attack them.
    You are entitled to your opinion! Nobody is trying to take that away from you. Keep loving Salvador! Nobody is trying to convince you otherwise.
    Fica tranqüila.….Fica feliz, minha flor!

  • #133898

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    Accoring to the state secretary for security, Rio de Janeiro is not Violent Big%20smile

  • #133906

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Well, Ryan, that’s about how I feel about the city whose name you’ve adopted. You couldn’t pay me to go thereever again. I won’t even fly through there. My many friends, who btw are of means (despite living amongst choking pollution, high crime that fuels a huge car armoring industry even for a drive to the grocery store, crushing traffic, hardly any green space esp. for kids, suffocating overcrowding, the nastiest favelas, high fences and guards, no beaches, fourth rate museums, ‘unfounded-ly’ snobby residents, aggressive beggars, fear of all, etc.) and would be happy to host me, come to visit mein my modest island paradise and complain they would like to move. I haven’t attacked any one, just tried to counter (with equal fervor) the idea that Salvador should solely be known, here on the forum or elsewhere, for the violence that also occurs in many places, when many of us successfully choose to lead happy lives in Salvador. Great beaches, great music, great food,
    great people
    …….AXE!
    Bahiana772009-11-06 09:04:36

  • #133910

    mastercoop
    Member

    The problem is the violence is so pervasive that it prevents you from going to see and be able to relax in the city, and if you can’t relax somewhere, why go there on holiday? (you’re unlikely to be going there for business). Moreover brazil has thousands of miles of beaches, most being less dangerous than Salvador, whereas whilst the people are great, a great proportion of them are a physical threat to you. It’s hard to enjoy something when you are constantly on edge. Burying your head and ignoring the peril would put you at risk so isn’t an option either, and attacking SP doesn’t change the fact that Salvador is a dodgy destination indeed.

  • #133912

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Just trying to say that some of us go about our lives in Salvador without being constantly on edge,happilyand without incident. Thousands of tourists from all over visit, are enchanted, and dream of Salvador until the next time they can return. You happen to be of the opinion that it is “dodgy”. I am of the opinion that it offers a fulfilling life of work, friends, family and recreation, and the faintly possible negatives are far outweighed by the riches Salvador offers.And that I feel as just strongly about some other locations for living in Brazil, for instance where you choose to live, that it is a nasty, disgusting place where people stay/sell out for the money, which outweighs all the negatives for them. I do not feel safe, comfortable or happy in that environment, nor do I understand why anyone would choose money over other considerations when it means staying in such an urban prison. I also think a lot of fear of people in Bahia/Salvador is actually a manifestation of racism (conscious or unconscious, recognized or not) and discomfort with the proportion of (poor) people of color. AXE!

  • #133915

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    I also think a lot of fear of people in Bahia/Salvador is actually a manifestation of racism (conscious or unconscious, recognized or not) and discomfort with the proportion of (poor) people of color.
    AXE!

    [/QUOTE]
    Funny is that Brazil only has a 6.3% black population acording to IBGE. The rest declares itself as mulato, caboclo, cafuzo or mameluco.
    The northeast also has the highest amount of people of portuguese descent.
    I must say that, eventhough I was robbed there I had an amazing stay in Salvador.

  • #133923

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Juninho]The problem is the violence is so pervasive that it prevents you from going to see and be able to relax in the city, No…. it prevents YOU – you had a bad experience there and that, understandably, has biased your opinion. Moreover brazil has thousands of miles of beaches, most being less dangerous than Salvador, whereas whilst the people are great, a great proportion of them are a physical threat to you. What a load of tosh! a few of them may be a physical threat (same as in SP and RJ) but not a great proportion of them. Most just want to get on with their lives without trouble. It’s hard to enjoy something when you are constantly on edge. We who live here are NOT constantly on edge. I take the same precautions here as I would in any city in Brazil – being totally different from my home country. attacking SP doesn’t change the fact that Salvador is a dodgy destination indeed. No more dodgy than many cities in Brazil (or probably the USA for that matter) [/QUOTE]

  • #133931

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=Juninho]The problem is the violence is so pervasive that it prevents you from going to see and be able to relax in the city, No…. it prevents YOU – you had a bad experience there and that, understandably, has biased your opinion. Actually I was warned off against Salvador, ignored the advice as neurotic and then got repeatedly robbed, despite precautions. One ignores the advice against crime at your peril in Salvador. Moreover brazil has thousands of miles of beaches, most being less dangerous than Salvador, whereas whilst the people are great, a great proportion of them are a physical threat to you. What a load of tosh! a few of them may be a physical threat (same as in SP and RJ) but not a great proportion of them. Most just want to get on with their lives without trouble. A big enough proportion are a threat to your physical wellbeing as to prevent you from going about your business free from the risk of molestation. It’s hard to enjoy something when you are constantly on edge. We who live here are NOT constantly on edge. I take the same precautions here as I would in any city in Brazil – being totally different from my home country. Then either you’re overcautious in certain Brazilian cities or you let your guard down and in so doing take risks. But then it’s your neck! attacking SP doesn’t change the fact that Salvador is a dodgy destination indeed. No more dodgy than many cities in Brazil (or probably the USA for that matter) There’s not many cities as dodgy as Salvador – Recife is the only one that even competes. I base this on 12 years experience of extensive travel/living throughout Brazil, and longstanding family and friends who live/are from all over the country. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE]

  • #133984

    Sanchezrawl7
    Member

    [QUOTE=sven]Funny is that Brazil only has a 6.3% black population acording to IBGE. The rest declares itself as mulato, caboclo, cafuzo or mameluco.[/QUOTE]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2009/11/091102_brazil_black_ap.shtml
    dirtbox2009-11-07 11:51:11

  • #133986

    celso
    Member

    Food for thought about Salvador the racial legacy.

    Racial legacy that haunts Brazil

    By Gary Duffy
    BBC News, Salvador, Bahia

    A%20Baiana%20woman%20selling%20traditional%20food

    The African influence is evident in Bahia’s food and music

    There are few Brazilian cities as steeped in their African heritage as Salvador, capital of the state of Bahia.

    Thiswas, after all, the first colonial capital of Brazil, and the point ofentry for many of the millions of slaves who were brought into SouthAmerica’s largest country.

    Around 80% of the population is saidto be of black African ancestry, a legacy that can be found in food,music and culture. The religion of Candomble, which has its origins inAfrica, still thrives in the city.

    In recent years, the regionhas even attracted African-American visitors from the United Stateseager to see a part of the world where African traditions are wellpreserved, a trend sometimes uncomfortably known as “ethnic tourism”.

    Blighted by violence

    Butdespite this heritage, Salvador has never had an elected black mayor,although one was appointed during Brazil’s military dictatorship.

    Somecritics claim the majority of Brazilians of African descent in Salvadorare an example of continuing discrimination, living in the poorestareas, their lives often blighted by violence and largely excluded frompolitical power.

    Others insist that any prejudice which does exist is based on social factors and not race.

    Claimsof racism simply do not apply, they argue, in a country where racialidentity is so fluid, and the distinction between black, white andmixed race often unclear, even among Brazilians.

    Whipping post

    Thecity’s historic Pelourinho district is where slaves were once auctioned- and brutally punished; “pelourinho” is Portuguese for whipping post.Now the highly acclaimed Bahia Folklore Dance Company puts on nightlyshows there, celebrating this region’s strong cultural links withAfrica.

    Vava,%20executive%20director%20of%20the%20Bahia%20Folklore%20Dance%20Company
    It is important that the population here has an awareness of their self-esteem and value, of their race, their own culture
    Walson Botelho
    Bahia Folklore Dance Company

    The executive director of the company, Walson Botelho, known asVava, says celebrating these cultural links challenges attitudesimposed by slavery which in some ways still persist even today.

    “The Europeans came here with a preconceived idea that they were the only people who could do good things for Brazil,” he says.

    “Andthat the indigenous [citizens] – the native Brazilians – and theAfricans were people who didn’t have the intelligence, the minimum ofreasoning, and this was why they were treated as slaves and animals.

    “It is important that the population here has an awareness of their self-esteem and value, of their race, their own culture.”

    But just how the descendants of slaves are faring today on the busy streets of Salvador is a question which divides opinion.

    Pelourinho,%20Salvador

    Slaves were once auctioned in Salvador’s Pelourinho district

    Studies show that in recent years the gap between the income ofblack and mixed race Brazilians and the higher salaries of whiteBrazilians has been falling – but there is still a sizeable difference.

    Across a range of areas, from access to a high quality educationto health and housing, Brazilians of African descent are worse off thantheir white counterparts.

    A report issued this year alsoconcluded that a young black teenager in Brazil was nearly three timesmore likely to die as a result of violence than a white adolescent.

    ‘On the periphery’

    In Salvador, critics say you only have to compare the poorer districts with the wealthier neighbourhoods to see the difference.

    “Inmy opinion, the quality of life of the black population is terrible,”says Professor Jocelio Teles, of the Federal University of Bahia, usingblack as an umbrella term to cover broadly those who are not white,including people of mixed race.

    Professor%20Jocelio%20Teles

    Professor Jocelio Teles says it will take time to achieve equality

    “If you think in terms of the localisation of most people in Salvador, black people, these people are on the periphery.”

    Hesays that while there have been some improvements recently, Braziliansof African descent in Bahia still face many disadvantages.

    “Theblack middle class is very small. The majority of people in our cityare black and poor. The majority of people with access to highereducation are white.

    “So where is the democracy until now? How will the future be for the black population in our city and our country?” he asks.

    ProfessorTeles believes affirmative action policies adopted by the federal andstate government in education and the labour market in recent yearsneed to continue for another 20 to 30 years in order to achieveequality.

    ‘Preferential treatment’

    In the busymarket street in Liberdade, one of the poorest neighbourhoods inSalvador, people say discrimination on the basis of skin colour is notuncommon.

    “Mainly in the area of employment there is a lot ofdifference, a lot of preferential treatment,” says Janaina das VirgensSantos, 29.

    Judge%20Luislinda%20Valois%20Santos,%20with%20a%20child
    Here in Bahia, what you see is the exclusion of the black race from the decision-making process of the state
    Judge Luislinda de Santos

    “If you have 10 black people and one white, the white person would get preference.”

    Ata nearby school, the children give a warm welcome to Luislinda ValoisSantos, said to have been the first black woman judge in Bahia, whosays equality of access must be expanded.

    “How will you achievethis? Through education, employment and also giving opportunities toblack people to be ministers, deputies, senators, governors, presidentof the Republic,” she insists.

    “Here in Bahia, what you see is the exclusion of the black race from the decision-making process of the state.”

    But,as in other parts of Brazil, there seems a large divide between thosewho think people of African descent do face prejudice, and those whoargue that the only real gulf is between poor and rich.

    Colonial legacy

    EdvaldoBrito is the only black man to have been mayor of Salvador – but he wasappointed to that post during Brazil’s military dictatorship, notelected.

    Edvaldo%20Brito

    Edvaldo Brito is the only black man to have been mayor of Salvador

    Now the city’s deputy mayor, he argues that Salvador’s blackpopulation has the same rights and opportunities as its white citizens.

    The challenge, he believes, is to give help through affirmativeaction to those who still have not had the opportunity to reach theirfull potential on their own.

    “What do you have in Brazil? In Brazil there is the inability to achieve social mobility,” he says.

    “Forhistoric reasons the blacks never had the same position in colonialtimes. And when they abolished slavery they continued without theability to advance in society.”

    Jutahy Magalhaes Juniorrepresents Bahia in the Brazilian Congress. While he regards himself asmixed race, he says that in his own state he would be seen as white, aview that in itself reflects the complexity of centuries of racialmixing in Brazil.

    Lack of money

    He also argues that racial prejudice is not a factor behind inequality in Salvador.

    “Everyone,whether they are white, mixed race, black or indigenous, that doesn’thave money, will struggle with transport, public health, andeducation,” he says.

    “The discrimination is social, it is not racial.”

    A vibrant expression of the cultural legacy of Africa is evident everywhere in Bahia and seems highly valued.

    Buthere in Salvador, there seems less consensus on whether Braziliansociety is doing as much as it should be for those of its citizens whoare of African descent.

  • #134033

    celso
    Member

    Shhotouts and violence in Ponta Areia, Ilha de Itaparica

    bahia -08.11.2009 – 09h14

    Violência apavora moradores e afugenta turistas da Ilha de Itaparica

    Jorge Gauthier – Foto: Marina Silva

    Paraísode 40km de praias cercadas com farta vegetação tropical e norteada pelomedo. Maior entre as 56 ilhas que compõem a Baía de Todos os Santos, aIlha de Itaparica sofre com o constante crescimento da violência e aredução do número de visitantes.

    Comerciantes apavorados e população escondida atrás das grades. Acriminalidade nos dois municípios da Ilha (Vera Cruz e Itaparica)obedece uma sazonalidade. Somente em Vera Cruz, a polícia registra dezarrombamentos de imóveis, por mês, na baixa estação.

    Já entre setembro e fevereiro (alta estação), quando as casas deveranistas são ocupadas, os furtos e roubos a visitantes entram emcena. A pedido do CORREIO, os delegados Lucio Ubiracê, titularda24¬™DP(VeraCruz), José Magalhães, titular da 19¬™DP (Itaparica) e o majorGomes Filho,comandante da 5¬™CIPM (Ilha), listaram os pontos maisameaçados da região.

    Segurança própria
    Onze assaltos em um ano.Oempresário do ramo agrícola J.R.D, que atua em Itaparica há quatroanos, ostenta a triste marca que só foi interrompida quando decidiuinvestir R$5mil em esquemas de segurança no estabelecimento.

    Em um dos assaltos, em junho de 2008, os bandidos aprisionaram ele,a esposa e os dois filhos menores no banheiro por cinco horas. Depoisde muita tortura psicológica, eles ainda nos levaram para fazer saquesem bancos e nos agrediram. Minha esposa foi espancada pelos ladrões.

    Na ocasião, os assaltantes roubaram R$13 mil, além de cheques ecartões de crédito. Após 23 dias, o mesmo grupo retornou e repetiu ocrime. O curto espaço de tempo entre as ações deixou a família empânico. Minha esposa teve que fazer tratamento com psicólogo por seismeses, contou o empresário.

    Antes de investir no ramo agrícola, a família tinha um supermercado,mas teve que fechar as portas por conta da insegurança. O desespero étão grande que em um dos assaltos, cheguei a bater no ladrão. É muitotriste trabalhar e ver seus bens se esvaindo pelas mãos do crime,resumiu.

    Terror nas barracas

    Na Praça da Amoreira, em Ponta de Areia (Itaparica), área com grandeconcentração de pousadas de luxo, o sol pode até falhar, mas ostiroteios sempre marcam presença nos finais de semana. Nas barracas, asmarcas de tiros denunciam a ação dos bandidos, que não se intimidam como módulo policial localizado na praça.

    Os confrontos, segundo os moradores, acontecem sempre na madrugada,quando não há policiais no posto. Os assaltantes retiram as telhas dosestabelecimentos à beira mar para roubar eletrodomésticos, comida ebebida.

    Temendo a ação dos ladrões, o casal de barraqueiros E.O.P e I.S.P,todas as noites troca o conforto da cama por um colchonete nos fundosda barraca. Dormimos aqui para proteger nosso patrimônio.Trabalhamosduro e não podemos facilitar com os ladrões, contou a comerciante, quehá quatro meses deixou Mata de São João para viver em Itaparica. Háduas semanas, o casal teve seu estabelecimento cravejado de balasdurante troca de tiros entre bandidos.

    Turismo

    Cada caso de violência contra turista que ganha repercussão nacionalnos traz prejuízos. As coisas boas da Ilha acabam ficando em segundo plano, disse Germano Reis Barreto, dono de uma pousada em Ponta deAreia.

    O secretário do Turismo da Bahia,Domingos Leonelli, informou querealiza reuniões periódicas com a Secretariade Segurança Pública paratraçar estratégias que diminuam a ocorrência de crimes e, assim, deixemde servir como elemento que afugente os visitantes. A segurança é umapreocupação de todos os órgãos, afirmou o secretário.

    (Reportagem publicada na versão impressa do CORREIO* de 8 de novembro de 2009)

  • #134056

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]Turismo

    Cada caso de violência contra turistaque ganha repercussãonacionalnos traz prejuízos.As coisas boas da Ilha acabam ficando em segundo plano, disse Germano Reis Barreto, dono de uma pousada em Ponta de Areia.
    [/QUOTE]

    Maybe he’d be interested in knowing how much you personally are helping along this cause of ruining tourism with your postings, because of your obsession & blues, Balls.

  • #134058

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]Turismo

    Cada caso de violência contra turistaque ganha repercussãonacionalnos traz prejuízos.As coisas boas da Ilha acabam ficando em segundo plano, disse Germano Reis Barreto, dono de uma pousada em Ponta de Areia.
    [/QUOTE]

    Well gunfire erupting on a regular basis on the weekends is a good reason to stay away from Ponta Areia after dark and in the morning on the Island of Itaparica.

    Maybe he’d be interested in knowing how much you personally are helping along this cause of ruining tourism with your postings, because of your obsession & blues, Balls.
    Talking about violence in Salvador has no effect upon tourism. You have about 30 regulars here and about fifty others who might pop in at this site. Rio gets the COPA and the Olympics with constant violence.
    [/QUOTE]

    bahia -06.11.2009 – 07h13
    Here is a follow up on the Frenchman who had is ear cut off when his hotel was looted by six armed crack heads from Salvador. Two are said to be from Baico an extremely poor fishing village here in the island of Itaparica.

    Please e-mail pousada owner and tell him these stories are picked up by the Folha da Tarde, Correio da Bahia, Rede Globo, and a gringo who does not like the fact that the police in Salvador are on track to kill over three hundred people this year and believes that this is a serious human rights crisis. The papers gets tens of millions more hits than the comments of gringoes on this thread.
    Itaparica has been overbuilt with pousadas for decades. I knew and owner who had over eighty rooms and he would go months without a visit. The problem is not the press but the decision of the government to push the Linha Verde and Costa de Sauipe. Itaparica was left behind and is becoming favela with nice beaches near Salvador.
    Another problem is the complete lack of police. Remember Rosa? The gringa from Spain attacked by a crackhead? The police refused to come out to the house of the suspect and asked her to go to Mar Grande to file a report about the attack in Coroa.
    Although it has some great beaches, some nice people and some good music. The crackheads are targeting gingoes so be careful here.
    My neighbor ran into a masked man at the beach who robbed him at gunpoint after dark a month ago. Please avoid going to the beach after dark as stated in the Correiro da Bahia about Ponta Areia and based upon my neighbor’s experience.
    I had a wonderful time at a barraca today but they close near sunset as does the Negrao in Itaparica.

    Francês é operado e lamenta ter reagido ao assalto em Itaparica

    Luciana Diniz – Redação CORREIO – Foto: Luciana Diniz

    SomittanoEmile Laurent César entende português, mas é em sua língua pátria queele demonstra um arrependimento que mesmo um leigo entenderia após versua cabeça enfaixada e vê-lo sozinho em uma maca ao lado do lixo noHospital Geral do Estado na tarde de quinta-feira (5). Eu fui umlouco, diz o turista francês, ao contar que realmente reagiu aoassalto na noite de terça, no Hotel Privilege, em Cacha- Prego, na Ilhade Itaparica. Não pensei em nada, foi um reflexo, me arrependo muito,lamenta Emile, que foi esmurrado, roubado e teve a orelha esquerdadecepada pelos bandidos.

    O francês, que já veio à Bahia três vezes, nunca pensou emencontrar um cenário diferente dos descritos nas histórias de JoãoUbaldo Ribeiro. A viagem de férias do morador do Principado de Mônacose transformou em inferno. Veio relaxar no hotel de um amigo e sedeparou com uma violência até então desconhecida. A batalha e o medocomeçaram ainda no quarto de Emile que, num reflexo inconsequente,reagiu. Travou uma luta corpo a corpo com três assaltantes, levousocos, chutes, pontapés e foi jogado escada abaixo.


    Somittano Emile na cama do HGE: cirurgia para reconstituir a orelha esquerda

    Os bandidos foram presos após tentarem fugir pelo Ferry- Boat nomesmo dia do assalto, mas a cena ainda está presente na cabeça dofrancês, que só pensa em voltar para casa assim que tiver alta.

    Internado no setor de suturado Hospital Geral do Estado, Emilepouco entende do que se passa ao redor e só quer saber o dia em que vaipoder voltar para casa. Mas parece que ninguém o entende. Deitado comum dreno no tórax para retirar o sangue do pulmão e a cabeça enfaixadapor conta da cirurgia de reconstituição da orelha, ele se sentedesamparado. Não sabe se algum dia voltará à Bahia. Ainda não sei.Estou assustado. Quem sabe daqui a três meses, um ano, dois anos,despista.

    Logo ele, que achava a Bahia mais bucólica e relaxante do queo Rio de Janeiro, foi surpreendido pela violência. As marcas e a dorainda não desapareceram. Os pés estão feridos, os braços, arranhados. Acirurgia plástica para a reconstituição da orelha esquerda já foirealizada com sucesso. Mas ele ainda não pode se deitar. A perfuraçãono lado esquerdo do tórax por conta dos chutes e pancadas dos bandidos,atingiu uma parte do pulmão, onde um dreno foi instalado e só seráretirado em, no mínimo, dois dias. Hoje, até respirar dói.

    Emile ainda deve ficar internado até amanhã, quando, adepender do sangramento do pulmão, pode receber alta hospitalar. Hápossibilidade de uma nova cirurgia plástica para corrigir uma fraturano maxilar superior, mas isso apenas quando o inchaço do rostodiminuir.

    ‘Só quero voltar para minha casa’
    Como foi o momento do assalto? Onde você estava quando os ladrões chegaram? Como foi a abordagem?
    Euestava em meu quarto quando três assaltantes entraram armados e mepediram dinheiro, joias, tudo que tivesse. Dei o dinheiro que estava nobolso, mas acho que eles não acreditaram que era tudo e começaram a mebater. Eu me defendi. Fui um louco. Não sei por que fiz isso. Foi umreflexo natural.

    Você se arrependeu de ter reagido?
    Sim. Mearrependo. Agi por impulso.Não pensei na hora,o instinto falou maisalto. Quando eu vi, já estava batendo nos ladrões e levando tapas epontapés. Até que cortaram minha orelha com uma faca. Não sei descrevera dor. Só pensei em me defender. Não tem explicação, foi uma reaçãoinconsequente.

    Já tinha passado por algo semelhante?
    Nuncatinha passado por nada semelhante. Já é a terceira vez que venho àBahia e nunca ti nha acontecido nada. Sempre fico na pousada deste meuamigo francês em Cacha-Prego, que é calmo, tranquilo. Venho paradescansar.

    Depois de ter visto esta outra face da Bahia, como fica sua relação com o estado, com o país?
    Porenquanto só quero voltar para minha casa em Mônaco. Ainda estouassustado, machucado. Mas quem sabe volto daqui a dois, três meses; umou dois anos, talvez. Não sei. Ainda não me refiz do susto. Sei quedevo pegar um avião para o Rio de Janeiro assim que receber alta e logodepois seguir para a França, onde receberei os cuidados, vou fazer oscurativos e encontrar meu filho, meus amigos.

    Mas o senhor pretende voltar? Quando?
    Só depoisvou pensar na data do retorno. Gosto muito do Brasil; já venho aqui hánove anos. Primeiro conheci o Rio de Janeiro, que acho mais festivo, edepois vim para a Bahia, que é mais calma, mais relaxante.

    (Notícia publicada na edição impressa do dia 06/11/2009 do CORREIO)

    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-09 03:58:50

  • #134126

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]Food for thought about Salvador the racial legacy.
    Around 80% of the population is saidto be of black African ancestry, a legacy that can be found in food,music and culture. The religion of Candomble, which has its origins inAfrica, still thrives in the city.

    [/QUOTE]
    Yup, 80% of population have “some” african blood.
    Neguinho da Beija Flor however is over 75% “white”, of portuguese descent.
    According to a BBC study that is.

  • #134131

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]Turismo

    Cada caso de violência contra turistaque ganha repercussão….nos traz prejuízos.As coisas boas da Ilha acabam ficando em segundo plano, disse Germano Reis Barreto, dono de uma pousada em Ponta de Areia.
    [/QUOTE]

    Maybe he’d be interested in knowing how much you personally are helping along this cause of ruining tourism with your postings, because of your obsession & blues, Balls.

    Talking about violence in Salvador has no effect upon tourism. [/QUOTE]

    SO here you are again being “selective” about what you yourself chose to post, i.e. making up “the truth according to you” as you go along. As mentioned above, you are hurting the island(and the city) that you apparently still like enough to have chosen to come backto recently for one more visit, despite your blues, Balls.

  • #134139

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]Turismo

    Cada caso de violência contra turistaque ganha repercussão….nos traz prejuízos.As coisas boas da Ilha acabam ficando em segundo plano, disse Germano Reis Barreto, dono de uma pousada em Ponta de Areia.
    [/QUOTE]

    Maybe he’d be interested in knowing how much you personally are helping along this cause of ruining tourism with your postings, because of your obsession & blues, Balls.
    Talking about violence in Salvador has no effect upon tourism. [/QUOTE]
    SO here you are again being “selective” about what you yourself chose to post, i.e. making up “the truth according to you” as you go along. As mentioned above, you are hurting the island(and the city) that you apparently still like enough to have chosen to come backto recently for one more visit, despite your blues, Balls. [/QUOTE]
    By talking about the attacks against gringoes and the weekly gunfire in Ponta Areia, I am certainly not hurting the island. In fact Both the Delegados of Itaparica and Vera Cruz talk about it and are searching for a solution.
    I can love the island yet not like the crackhead inspired violence that is going on here.

  • #134151

    lmaonade5
    Member

    The point was that you choose to post these articles as if they were gospel and then you choose to ignore the parts of them you don’t like when it’s convenient for you,but if anyone else disputes that they are written in stone, that they may not reflect the constant daily living conditions for every resident, nor the feelings of most residents, you declare them gospel again. I doubt anyone on this forum likes violence in any part of Brazil or the world. However, You are most certainly hurting the island and the area of Salvador, and the livelihood of residents, by continuing to obsess solely on violence there, and only there.

  • #134203

    Paulistinho
    Member

    My mother went to Salvador alone for two weeks while I was in Rio.
    She had a great time. Lots of photos of her mixing with the locals on the streets. Don’t know where she was. Stayed at a Hostel run by a Jamaican guy. My mum is 68 and dresses like she got money.

  • #134204

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Spaceman]My mother went to Salvador alone for two weeks while I was in Rio.

    She had a great time. Lots of photos of her mixing with the locals on the streets. Don’t know where she was. Stayed at a Hostel run by a Jamaican guy. My mum is 68 and dresses like she got money.
    [/QUOTE] Thanks Spaceman – your post is a breath of fresh air on this thread! ClapClap

  • #134213

    Paulistinho
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica]I don’t understand the hostility. I’m just trying to understand whythe police in Salvador, one city in Brazil, have killed over 130 peoplethis year and are on track to kill 40 people in July. All this andFIFA wants to send tens of thousands of “foreings” to Salvador for theWorld Cup.
    [/QUOTE]
    Maybe you just answered your own question?

  • #134379

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=Spaceman]My mother went to Salvador alone for two weeks while I was in Rio.
    She had a great time. Lots of photos of her mixing with the locals on the streets. Don’t know where she was. Stayed at a Hostel run by a Jamaican guy. My mum is 68 and dresses like she got money.
    [/QUOTE]

    Thanks Spaceman – your post is a breath of fresh air on this thread! ClapClap

    [/QUOTE]
    Hi Spaceman,
    Send her for six years and dress like she has money, and you might not have a mum. Even Rosa who was attacked by a crackhead recently had been coming to Brazil for years before the event without serious events. Just an armed robbery planned by her gardener.

  • #134380

    celso
    Member

    Be careful at the ATMs and when getting money at the banks in Salvador.
    I prefer the main branch of Banco do Brasil in Comercio. Never had a problem there.
    This woman was attacked and they took 5.000 reais from her around noon! The crackheads had a gun and shot her.
    She is a woman of 51 years of age like Rosa from Spain who is over 60.
    The crackheads like to attack women and seniors as they are viewed as easy targets.

    11/11/2009 às 16:11

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    Mulher é baleada após saidinha bancária na Av. ACM

    Guilherme Lopes – A TARDE On Line

    Uma mulher de 51 anos foi atingida por disparos no braço esquerdo e noabdome por volta das 12h50 desta quarta-feira, 11, depois de serroubada ao sair de uma agência do Banco Itaú, localizada na AvenidaACM, em Salvador. Ela foi socorrida ao Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE),onde está em observação.
    Segundo informações da Central de Telecomunicações das PolíciasCivil e Militar (Centel), a vítima, que não teve nome divulgado,realizou um saque de R$ 5 mil e, logo em seguida, foi abordada por doishomens em uma moto no estacionamento de um estabelecimento vizinho. ACentel não soube dizer se a mulher reagiu ao assalto.
    A vítima foi levada por uma viatura da Polícia Militar ao hospital. Os assaltantes conseguiram fugir.

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  • #134391

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] I don’t understand the hostility. I’m just trying to understand why the police in Salvador, one city in Brazil, have killed over 130 people this year and are on track to kill 40 people in July. All this and FIFA wants to send tens of thousands of “foreings” to Salvador for the World Cup.

    [/QUOTE]
    Did it ever occur to you BobIT/GBofF that perhaps those 130 people were trying to kill the cops? It’s not rocket science to realise that this is a very real possibility!

  • #134399

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=globetrotter][QUOTE=bobbyitaparica] I don’t understand the hostility. I’m just trying to understand why the police in Salvador, one city in Brazil, have killed over 130 people this year and are on track to kill 40 people in July. All this and FIFA wants to send tens of thousands of “foreings” to Salvador for the World Cup.
    [/QUOTE]

    Did it ever occur to you BobIT/GBofF that perhaps those 130 people were trying to kill the cops?
    It’s not rocket science to realise that this is a very real possibility!

    [/QUOTE]
    No doubt some may have resisted and fired at the police. The kill ratio runs about thirty to one against the suspects and usually when five or six are killed only on gun is found. There are cases where the neighbors state not a shot against the cops was fired yet they went in with guns blazing and killed all the youths. Of course the family claims that the gun was planted by the cops.
    All the same with the cops on track to kill about three hundred people in Salvador, in any city of three million in the States or Europe you would have riots.
    So you think the cops in a city of three million should kill three hundred inhabitants without anyone questioning what is going on? You show a complete lack of care or concern for the legal rights of those killed by the police.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-11 19:14:11

  • #134404

    jonathand
    Member

    In Retiro, a group of thieves have been robbing the locals. This is robbing the poor. Somebody called the police and they ran off into the mata. Apparently they’ve said they’ll come back and kill the guy who called the police. If they live up to their threat, do you think they should be treated with kid gloves? If they come back to kill him, and they get killed in the process…. well good riddance. The only ones who’ll miss these lowlife are their families. And FFS stop comparing Brazil with Europe and the States … you might just as well compare apples and eggs – they’re totally dfferent.

  • #134824

    celso
    Member

    With 26 Homicides in 36 hours, Salvador had a violent weekend.
    One lady of 75 years was poisoned by her son. A young lady Ivana Mendes Silva Santos 20 years of age and six months pregnant was shot and killed by guys on motorcycles in Liberdade.
    Page A8 of Folha da Tarde goes into details.
    A taxi driver had third degree burns afer the attackers threw a Molotov cocktail at him. They took off with his car.

  • #134993

    celso
    Member
    Salvador now up to 37 murders Sat, Sun, Mon.

    What is going on here?

    16/11/2009 às 23:57

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    Escalada de assassinatos na Grande Salvador reforça dados negativos da segurança

    Marcelo Brandão, do A TARDE

    A alta de assassinatos no último final de semana, em Salvador e RegiãoMetropolitana, com 37 crimes entre sexta-feira e esta segunda, 16,reforçam as estatísticas ruins de homicídios no Estado. O número deassassinatos subiu 33,9% na Grande Salvador, entre os anos de 2006 e2008, segundo os dados oficiais.
    Comparando apenas os dados da capital, o crescimento do número demortes foi de 79,4%, no mesmo período. Em toda a Bahia, o aumento demortes também é expressivo: 43,1%, comparando o mesmo período ‚Äì onúmero de homicídios na Bahia saltou de 3.718, em 2006, para 4.612, em2008, segundo o Centro de Documentação e Estatística da Polícia(Cedep).
    Em Salvador, o aumento de assassinatos foi de 966 para 1.733. Nosprimeiros quatro meses de 2009, o índice de mortes apresentou umadiminuição de 8,2 % na capital e 17% na RMS, em comparação com 2008.Uma redução modesta em comparação com a alta acumulada desde 2006.
    O investimento do Estado em segurança pública pode ser uma explicação.Mesmo sendo o setor que possui o quarto maior orçamento nas contas dogoverno, os gastos com segurança na Bahia são relativamente menores queem Pernambuco.
    O governo da Bahia possui um orçamento de R$ 1,82 bilhão, em 2009,enquanto a gestão pernambucana investirá até o fim da gestão R$ 1,77bi. A administração baiana leva uma vantagem de apenas R$ 57 mil, mastem uma população e uma extensão territorial muito maior. Com isso, oorçamento per capita pernambucano é 37,9% maior.
    O investimento por habitante em Pernambuco é de R$ 208,8, enquanto quena Bahia é de R$ 129,8. A população baiana é de 14,08 milhões, enquantoos pernambucanos são 8,4 milhões. A diferença populacional confere aoEstado de Pernambuco um maior orçamento per capita em segurançapública.
    Apesar da diferença populacional, os dois estados nordestinos têmcenários semelhantes: índices de desenvolvimento social e economiasparecidas.
    Em 2009, o site da Secretaria da Segurança Pública da Bahia (SSP-BA)contabiliza 3.202 assassinatos, entre janeiro e setembro, númerosubnotificado: apesar da atualização na Grande Salvador, dados dascoordenações de polícia do interior (Coorpins) só estão disponíveis atéagosto e muitas regionais informam ainda estar atualizando seus dados.Pernambuco apresenta 3.031 homicídios no mesmo período, com númeroscompletos.
    Em 2008, na Bahia, foram 4.612 assassinatos, enquanto Pernambuco teve4.523 casos. Com população menor, Pernambuco ainda tem,proporcionalmente, um número mais alto de mortes por habitantes. Noentanto, o investimento per capita maior parece render resultados:entre 2006 e 2008, as mortes diminuíram 2,3%. Na Bahia, subiram 43,1%no mesmo período.

    Leia série especial de reportagens sobre a violência em Salvador na edição impressa de A TARDE desta terça, 17. Ou acesse aqui a versão digital, se for assinante.

  • #135000

    lmaonade5
    Member

    37? just for a little perspective……..some quickly gathered statistics from the net…….. Boston had 66 murders in 2007, 74in 2006, 62in 2008, from January through July 2009, 27; Newark, 30murders in the first halfof 2008 (“It’s been a very good year,” the Police Director said at the time.);Baltimore, 210 in 2007. another way to look at it…… per 100,000residents (2007 statistics), Baltimore‚Äôs murder tally was at 33, Newark N.J.‚Äôs murder rate for was 24; Washington D.C.‚Äôs 23; Philadelphia‚Äôs 19; Boston‚Äôs 8; and New York‚Äôs 4. New Orleans has the highest rate at 64 murders per 100,000 people, St. Louis has the nation’s second-highest rate, about 47 murders per 100,000 people, and Baton Rouge has the seventh-highest rate, with about 30 murders per 100,000. Salvador has about 300,000 people. So that’s 12 per 100,000 so far this year (November). Throw in great tropical beaches and where would you choose based on these statistics?

  • #135004

    micko
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    Salvador has about 300,000 people.

    [/QUOTE]I think you left out a zero …

  • #135006

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Ooooops! Guess I’m not perfect, huh? Shhhhhhhhh. SO that puts the statistics even lower, by a decimal point to 1.2 per 100,000, doesn’t it? (Math was never my strong point.) Bahiana772009-11-18 15:02:41

  • #135089

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77](Math was never my strong point.)[/QUOTE] Nor reading … It was 37 (per 3,000,000) over the last weekend, according to the message. Which city in US (or worldwide) comes close to such statistics?

  • #135090

    agri2001
    Participant

    Maceio comes to mind.
    Two weeks ago we had 12 murders in 15 hours, (pop 1 million) according to the local paper.
    One of them was a former worker of ours.
    he had his head re arranged by a blast from a double barrel 12gage shotgun
    Damn brutal…!!

  • #135091

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    37?
    just for a little perspective……..some quickly gathered statistics from the net……..
    Boston had 66 murders in 2007, 74in 2006, 62in 2008, from January through July 2009, 27; Newark, 30murders in the first halfof 2008 (“It’s been a very good year,” the Police Director said at the time.);Baltimore, 210 in 2007.
    another way to look at it……
    per 100,000residents (2007 statistics), Baltimore’s murder tally was at 33, Newark N.J.’s murder rate for was 24; Washington D.C.’s 23; Philadelphia’s 19; Boston’s 8; and New York’s 4.
    New Orleans has the highest rate at 64 murders per 100,000 people, St. Louis has the nation’s second-highest rate, about 47 murders per 100,000 people, and Baton Rouge has the seventh-highest rate, with about 30 murders per 100,000.
    Salvador has about 300,000 people. So that’s 12 per 100,000 so far this year (November).
    Throw in great tropical beaches and where would you choose based on these statistics?

    [/QUOTE]
    37 murders in three days is over three dozen people killed in Salvador. At that rate we get 360 killed in a month over 4,000 in a year or about 130 per 100,000 killed.
    Not to mention the cops are on track to kill 300 people this year. How many people did the cops kill in Boston last year?
    No doubt the beaches are better in Bahia.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-19 08:10:53

  • #135094

    Ozzie girl
    Member

    Rio:
    In 2007, the police allegedly killed 1,330 people in the state,[89] an increase of 25 percent over 2006 when 1,063 people were killed. In comparison the American police killed only 347 people in whole of the United States during 2006.[90][91]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_de_Janeiro#Crime
    347 people in whole of the United States during 2006

  • #135097

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Don’t be blue, Balls. Put your time to better use: go make some dogfood for supper and watch the nice little birdies.

  • #135098

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    Don’t be blue, Balls. Put your time to better use: go make some dogfood for supper and watch the nice little birdies.

    [/QUOTE]
    Quite pushy of you to tell others what to do.
    The recipe for home made “dogfood” is better and healthier than what most humans eat at any fast food joint as well as the fried pasteis, coxinhas, acaraje, and fried stuff found on the street in Salvador. Do you really want to eat that queijo cualho on a stick?

  • #135470

    celso
    Member

    16 year old boy shot and killed by four guys on two motorcycles at 10:30 am broad daylight in Salvador. May he rest in peace and his family find peace as well.
    todas as notícias de CIDADES

    26/11/2009 às 13:42

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    Jovem de 16 anos é assassinado a tiros no bairro do Uruguai

    A TARDE On Line

    Um jovem de 16 anos foi assassinado por volta das 10h35 destaquinta-feira, 26, quando passava pela Travessa 2 de Outubro, no bairrodo Uruguai. Testemunhas afirmam que tiros foram disparados por quatrohomens que estavam em duas motos identificadas apenas pelas cores cinzae vermelho.

    O nome da vítima não foi revelado. De acordo com informações da Centralde Telecomunicações das Polícias Civil e Militar (Centel), o crimeaconteceu perto da Escola Thomé de Souza. O rapaz morreu no local.

  • #135472

    celso
    Member

    Jealous cop kills other cop who dated his ex girlfriend.
    Police deaths now at 18 this year in Salvador as two crackheads shootand kill a police trainee while robbing him they found his ID card andone said “E policia deve morrer.” They were on bikes and killed thetrainee in his car at a gas station.

    23/11/2009 às 07:40

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    Policial militar mata colega de farda por ciúmes

    Euzeni Daltro e Helga Cirino – A TARDE*

    Um policial militar foi assassinado na madrugada desta segunda-feira,23, por um colega de farda. De acordo com agentes da 8¬™ CP, no CIA, ocrime foi cometido por ciúmes. Os agentes contaram que Oston dos SantosPrado, lotado na Rondesp, estava desconfiado que a namorada, SimoneSouza Menezes, 22 anos, com quem se relacionava havia três anos,mantinha relação com outra pessoa. Após fazer campana na porta da casada namorada, ele viu quando ela chegou acompanhada do policial CarlosMoreira dos Santos, que trabalha na Companhia da PM em Paripe.

    De acordo com agentes da 8¬™ CP, Oston atirou contra Carlos na região dacabeça. O rapaz ainda conseguiu sair do carro e balear Oston no braçodireito. O motorista Amaral Menezes, pai de Simone, contou que ouviu afilha pedindo socorro e teria visto Carlos atirando na direção deOston. Menezes chamou a Samu, que levou os dois PMs para o HospitalGeral do Estado (HGE).

    Oston está internado, mas não corre risco de morte. Simone prestadepoimento nesta manhã na Corregedoria da PM sobre o crime aconteceu narua do Lavrador, em Valéria.
    Esse é o 18¬∫ policial militar morto na Bahia este ano. O aluno daAcademia da Polícia Militar, Elton da Silva Mota, 23 anos, foiassassinado neste domingo, 22, no Uruguai, durante assalto. Familiaresdisseram que ele foi morto após ser reconhecido como militar.
    *Com redação de Paula Pitta – A TARDE On Line

  • #135505

    lmaonade5
    Member

    May you[QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] find peace as well. [/QUOTE] and leave us to ours. This posting of every violent incident the newspaper carries, whether among family/friends or drug dealers or whatever, is a sad obsession, and can only make you blue, Balls. Bahiana772009-11-26 18:04:26

  • #135508

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]

    May you[QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] find peace as well. [/QUOTE] and leave us to ours.
    This posting of every violent incident the newspaper carries, whether among family/friends or drug dealers or whatever, is a sad obsession, and can only make you blue, Balls.

    [/QUOTE]
    How many cops have been killed in Boston this year? 18 killed in Salvador so far this year. How many people have the cops in Boston Killed? Salvador cops are on track to kill 300.
    I certainly have not posted all of the articles. Just the ones that stand out.
    I am not blue, simply a world citizen who objects to the violence in Salvador and the Island of Itaparica.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-26 18:43:22

  • #135511

    celso
    Member

    Cops kill Law Student and Office worker. No weapon found. Police claim the victims were in a “stolen car.” Two more people killed by cops in Salvador.

    26/11/2009 às 10:49

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    Estudante de direito e funcionário do Polo morrem depois de atirar em policiais

    Helga Cirino, do A TARDE

    Um estudante de direito e um funcionário do Polo Petroquímico deCamaçari foram mortos por volta das 22h da última quarta-feira, 25,durante uma ação policial de militares da 40¬™ Companhia Independente daPolícia (CIPM/Nordeste de Amaralina). De acordo com informações dospoliciais, os jovens Everton Silva Conceição, 22 anos e Valmir dosSantos Júnior, 21, reagiram ao anúncio de prisão e acabaram baleados.

    Segundo o tenente Fraga, que comandava a viatura 4004, os doissuspeitos estavam em um automóvel roubado e abriram fogo contra osmilitares ao serem abordados pela polícia no Nordeste de Amaralina. Osdois foram levados ao Hospital Geral do Estado (HGE), mas chegarammortos.

    O carro foi conduzido para a Delegacia de Repressão a Furtos e Roubosde Veículos (DRFRV), mas nenhuma arma usada pelos suspeitos foiapresentada pelos PMs até a manhã desta quinta-feira.

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    O que você achou desta matéria?

    Freitas (26/11/2009 – 16:54)

    Por isso deve ser aprovada a pec, para que os policiais ganhem R$3.ooo,00, para serem assassinos de luxo.A policia só serve para iso, viva Mascarenhas, papa mikes servem apenas para matar.Deus abençoe a familia das vitimas desses marginais fardados da milicia 4004, menos truculenta do que a 4001.

    Chico Um (26/11/2009 – 16:07)

    Jáexiste pena de morte no Brasil. Isso vai começar acontecer com todomundo. Bala primeiro e um abraço, presunto no chão. Não precisamos maisde Juiz, promotor. Nem do Judiciário, nem do Ministério público. Nãoprecisa.

    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-26 18:56:24

  • #135516

    815
    Member

    In regards to the last article, I feel especially sad when a person of worth to society is killed by human trash. Be it here in Brazil, the States or anywhere. It’s one thing for gang members, drug dealers and drug addicts to die violently (good riddance) but when someone who is leading a decent and in some cases an exceptional life dies by their hands it is truly a tragedy.
    A very nice, intelligent, ambitious and sadly poor youth from my Sogro’s neighborhood was gunned down when the police tried to KIDNAP (not arrest) two drug dealers. It went awry when somebody informed the rest of the gang and they showed up to turn Grajau into the OK coral. The young man caught a stray bullet in the head. It took an ambulance 4 FOUR hours to arrive. He stayed alive for 8 hours and then passed away. Everybody who knew this young man had nothing but great things to say about him. He was so intelligent and hard working, at 17, he was on his way to earning a scholarship to study medicine. None of the human scum (involved in this story) died that day.
    Paulistano USA2009-11-27 05:09:29

  • #135544

    Anonymous

    To me every human life lost due to violence is a sad occasion. Whether being it a highly talented innocent young man died due to stray bullet or a young man involved in crime and the likes.

  • #135567

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Agreed. But this happens all over and is not confined to the one place certain negative people here are obsessed with. So start a ‘world violence’ thread and stop obsessing, and aiding the obsessing with, violence in one particular place in which many find a happy, fulfilled and tranquil life. The same incidents, the same comments, repeated over and over, do not augment anything but an obsession. This thread, and the other similar ones by the same author, will stand for as long as the internet more as an indictment of someone who insists on indulging an obsessionabout violence, than on the subject itself.

  • #135571

    jonathand
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Agreed. But this happens all over and is not confined to the one place certain negative people here are obsessed with. So start a ‘world violence’ thread and stop obsessing, and aiding the obsessing with, violence in one particular place in which many find a happy, fulfilled and tranquil life. The same incidents, the same comments, repeated over and over, do not augment anything but an obsession. This thread, and the other similar ones by the same author, will stand for as long as the internet more as an indictment of someone who insists on indulging an obsessionabout violence, than on the subject itself. [/QUOTE] ClapClapClapClapClap

  • #135580

    mastercoop
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]Agreed. But this happens all over and is not confined to the one place certain negative people here are obsessed with. [/QUOTE] To put it into context there are now more murders each month in Salvador than Baghdad. If you think this is a normal place then we obviously have different concepts of normality, but I think it’s fair to say few others will share your perception.

  • #135592

    celso
    Member

    A University with a thousand students in Camaciri shut down yesterday for the rest of the semester. 60% of the students are from Salvador and they can’t get to the university because the buses are constantly attacked by bandits who loot the riders.
    The university hopes the police will find the bandits so the students can come back next semester. Actual press story from the Folha da Tarde to follow.
    This in a state where 85% of the people have not graduated from high school. A thousand students are shut off due to the violence.
    This is new news. No repetition at all. Worthy of discussion indeed.
    Did a university in Europe or the US shut down because of bus line bandits? A thousand students are paying the price. Of course these are true Baianos, not gringoes who live in the area and claim this stuff happens everywhere.

    26/11/2009 às 21:05

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    Campus da Uneb em Camaçari suspende aulas por conta da violência

    Guilherme Lopes – A TARDE On Line

    As aulas do Campus XIX (Camaçari) da Universidade do Estado da Bahia(Uneb) foram suspensas nesta quinta-feira, 26, até o final do semestre.Segundo o diretor do campus, José Claudio Rocha, o motivo foi aocorrência de assaltos constantes aos ônibus que transportam osestudantes até a instituição. “A gota d’água foram os três assaltos quenossos alunos sofreram na última terça-feira [24]”, afirma o diretor.
    A idéia é que esse período seja suficiente para a polícia investigar osresponsáveis pelos assaltos. O Grupo Especial de Repressão a Furtos aRoubos de Coletivos (GERRC) acredita que uma quadrilha de assaltantesesteja atuando na região. “O que nós sabemos até agora é que se tratade uma quadrilha de Fazenda Grande que se divide em grupos de 4 eaborda os coletivos na BR-324”, afirmou o diretor.
    Rocha explica que cerca de 60% dos 1.013 alunos que estudam CiênciasContábeis ou Direito no Campus XIX moram em Salvador e fazem o percursoaté a universidade diariamente em transporte público. Segundo ele, osataques acontecem na linha que serve o campus especialmente noshorários em que os alunos estão em trânsito para a universidade ou navolta para casa. “A maioria dos assaltos ocorre no período da manhã ouda tarde, quando os alunos estão nos coletivos”, explica.
    Com medo, muitos teriam deixado de frequentar as aulas no último mês, oque vinha prejudicando seu rendimento. “Havia casos até em que alunosexemplares corriam o risco de perder o semestre por excesso de faltas”,afirma Rocha. Ainda de acordo com ele, o pedido de suspensão das aulaspartiu dos próprios estudantes.
    Violência – Conforme uma pesquisa divulgada na últimaterça, 24, pelo Ministério da Justiça (MJ) e o Fórum Brasileiro deSegurança Pública, Camaçari é a quarta cidade mais violenta para jovensentre 12 e 19 anos no Brasil. No topo da lista aparece outra cidadebaiana, Itabuna, localizada no sul do Estado. Na sequência, aparecemMarabá (PA) e Foz do Iguaçu (PR). Ainda entre as 15 primeiras estãoTeixeira de Freitas (8¬∫), Ilhéus (12¬∫) e Lauro de Freitas (14¬∫).

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    COMENTE ESSA MATÉRIA 7 comentários

    O que você achou desta matéria?

    Marcela (27/11/2009 – 11:41)

    Soualuna da UNEB e estou sofrendo na pele as consequencias da má gestão donosso governador e do aumento alarmante da violencia. Somos refens dacriminalidade! Onde isso vai parar? SoCoRrO!!! ESTÃO NOS TIRANDO ODIREITO DE ESTUDAR.

    Emerson Pires (27/11/2009 – 11:36)

    ECaetano, o prefeito de Camaçari, será o articulador da campanha do PTem 2010 para o Governo…..Como diz O Grande Caetano Veloso: Algumacoisa está fora ordem….Deveriam equcioar a insegurança e nãoarticular mautenção de poder….Triste Bahia!

    Nando (27/11/2009 – 11:24)

    Esseé o retrato de uma segurança publica falida. Policiais com baixossalarios,pessimos equipamentos e pessimas condicoes de trabalho,soma-setodo esse conjunto a incompetencia do governados jaques wagner e o quetemos é essa situacao.O POVO precisa acordar pra vida. Esse foi ogoverno que + gastou com propaganda,dinheiro esse q deveria serrevertido em educacao,saude,seguranca. Ninguem acha q um policial c/osalario q ganha vai ficar correndo atras d bandido neh!!!so nos filmeshollywoodianos

    Luciano Filgueiras (27/11/2009 – 11:02)

    Enquantoo país não fizer investimentos consideráveis na educação básica, trataro problema da droga como de saúde pública e controlar a programação dohorário nobre das redes de televisão, a tendência, infleizmente, épiorar…

    Henrix (27/11/2009 – 08:26)

    Eesse excedente de violência que diariamente temos que enfrentar? Essemedo atual de sair de casa sem ter certeza que voltaremos com a nossaintegridade mantida? Não venham me dizer que ainda são reflexo da”herança maldita”… é a INCOMPETÊNCIA ATUAL mesmo! E ela se reflete emvários âmbitos, desde a segurança, passando pela saúde, educação,enfim… triste governo esse atual TAMBÉM, que conseguiu PIORAR o quejá não vinha bem.

    Larissa (27/11/2009 – 07:47)

    Nuncana história da Bahia, se viu tanta violência, a ponto de umauniversidade ter que suspender aulas. Nem na época de Waldir Pires, quefoi um governo patético, se viu tanta desorganização. Não é possívelque o povo não vá acordar e vá eleger Wagner para um segundo mandato!!Acorda, Bahia!!

    Israel D. (27/11/2009 – 07:10)

    RS,que piada!!!Solução perfeita, vamos fazer o seguinte então, nada de aulas no mesanterior a grande festas, tipo, natal, carnaval e são joão, pronto,fica decretado que os alunos só terão aula durante 6 meses no ano.

    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-27 15:01:44

  • #135603

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] …. in Camaciri…… the students are from Salvador
    [/QUOTE]
    NEVER HEARD OF THAT PLACE ANYWHERE NEAR SALVADOR.

    Camaçari,yes.

    (Too ignorant and in such a hurry to spread more bad news to even get the place name right.)
    How does this differ significantly from conditions at many schools in the U.S. that have been shut down frequently, and have arms/explosive detectors to pass through in order to enter the building, and armed municipal police guarding the doors and campuses?
    Bahiana772009-11-27 16:01:03

  • #135605

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] …. in Camaciri …… the students are from Salvador
    [/QUOTE]
    NEVER HEARD OF THAT PLACE ANYWHERE NEAR SALVADOR.
    Camacari, yes.
    To ignorant and in such a great hurry to spread more bad news to even get the place right.
    [/QUOTE]
    Right, another complaint about a typo. More name calling. The usual troll behavior.
    This is a public university that shut down due to violence in which the students are being attacked while riding public transport. Nothing to do with any school in the States with metal detectors.
    1000 baianos are without a university education due to violence. The couple of gringos who don’t like this discussion of what is happening in Salvador don’t go to this school and obviously their universities did not shut down due to bus line violence.
    Rocha explica que cerca de 60% dos 1.013 alunos que estudam CiênciasContábeis ou Direito no Campus XIX moram em Salvador e fazem o percursoaté a universidade diariamente em transporte público.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-27 16:16:28

  • #135607

    lmaonade5
    Member

    I repeat….
    How does this differ significantly from conditions at many schools inthe U.S. that have been shut down frequently, and have arms/explosivedetectors to pass through in order to enter the building, and armedmunicipal police guarding the doors and campuses?
    This type of problem is NOT unique to Salvadoror Brazil.

  • #135608

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77]I repeat….
    How does this differ significantly from conditions at many schools inthe U.S. that have been shut down frequently, and have arms/explosivedetectors to pass through in order to enter the building, and armedmunicipal police guarding the doors and campuses?
    This type of problem is NOT unique to Salvadoror Brazil.
    [/QUOTE]
    I disagree with you. Name one university in the USA or Europe that closed for the semester due to bus line violence. This is unique to Bahia.This is a public university that shut down due to violence in which thestudents are being attacked while riding public transport. Nothing todo with any school in the States with metal detectors.
    1000baianos are without a university education due to violence. The coupleof gringos who don’t like this discussion of what is happening inSalvador don’t go to this school and obviously their universities didnot shut down due to bus line violence.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-11-27 16:33:28

  • #135624

    lmaonade5
    Member

    I said “school” (you are reading selectively again), and there are many which suffer these conditions, in a first world country like the U.S., which can’t seem to stop violence IN the schools, let alone around them and on the buses getting to them. If you think kids don’t get robbed going to school every day in the U.S., victimized both by outsiders and their own classmates, you’re the one hiding your head in the sand (or you don’t watch TV in the six months or more you spend in the U.S. every year). There are kids getting killed by school violence in the U.S. who don’t even have the chance to make it to university. Many tens of thousands are effected. Again, this type of problem is NOT unique to Salvadoror Brazil.
    And I’m sure the uni you speak of will eventually just do what the resorts in that direction have done, and what they probably could have done to avoid closing (except some faculty probably love the idea of a vacation with pay, though), get security to accompany some buses for student use, and studies will be back to normal, with just the usual strikes to shut things down.

  • #136411

    celso
    Member

    Only 24 homicides in 60 hours in Salvador. Must be the end of the soccer season. Yes this is not particular to Salvador. Lots of places have 24 homicides in 60 hours.ConfusedTwo chacinas as well.
    Here in Itaparica a car pulled into the local gas station and the occupants pointed four machine guns at the over thirty people eating acaraje at the Pista and Rua das Flores here in Barra do Gil after dark. The customers were looted and the restaurant was robbed. Not an event particular to Salvador. Lots of places guys with machine guns show up and loot the patrons, and rob the restaurant. This was last Carnaval. Nobody was caught.Confused
    07/12/2009 às 22:45

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    Mais de 60 horas de terror resultam em 24 mortes

    Hieros Vasconcelos – A Tarde

    Mais retratos da violência que assola Salvador e região metropolitana(RMS) foram registrados pela polícia nas últimas horas. Das 7 horas damanhã do sábado às 21 horas da segunda-feira, foram contabilizados 24assassinatos.
    Nas 62 horas de violência, a média ultrapassou a marca de umassassinato a cada três horas. Pior, dentre as mais de duas dezenas demortes há duas chacinas: a primeira no domingo à tarde, com três corposencontrados no bairro do Caji, em Lauro de Freitas. Poucas horasdepois, mais quatro homens foram assassinados, desta feita na região dePituaçu. A polícia não descarta a possibilidade de as duas chacinasterem relação.
    O grupo morto em Pituaçu bebia por volta de 3 horas da madrugada dasegunda-feira, na comunidade do Golfo Pérsico, na Rua 12 de Outubro, emPituaçu. Eram cinco pessoas. Quatro homens armados e encapuzadoschegaram atirando e mataram Gibson Cardia Conceição, 18 anos, EulálioSantos Júnior, 30, Emilton Santos Mota, 28, e Márcio de Santana, 21.
    O único que sobreviveu ao ataque foi o ajudante de pedreiro Leandro deJesus Santana, 25, que, ferido no braço, conseguiu se esconder nobanheiro de uma casa. Ele prestou depoimento, nesta segunda, 7, na 9¬™CP (Delegacia da Boca do Rio), responsável pelas investigações, e dissenão saber a motivação do ataque.
    Motivação
    Policiais da 9¬™ CP dizem que existem indícios que relacionam as mortesem Pituaçu com a chacina ocorrida em Lauro de Freitas, com três mortes.Neste caso, os corpos apresentavam marcas de tiros e de espancamento.Todos tinham os pulsos amarrados com fios de náilon e dois delesestavam sem roupa quando a polícia os encontrou.
    Mas moradores do Golfo Pérsico, em Pituaçu, que pediram para não seridentificados por temer represálias, levantam outra possibilidade paraa morte dos quatro homens naquela área. Segundo o que foi levantado porA TARDE, as vítimas da chacina em Pituaçu na verdade moravam nacomunidade do Bate-Facho, na Boca do Rio. O soldado da PM EdmilsonNascimento, 42, trabalhava naquela área, lotado que era na 39¬™ CIPM,que tem sede no bairro.
    Edmilson foi assassinado por volta das 22 horas do domingo, em Matatude Brotas, ao sair de uma festa. Um morador do Golfo Pérsico afirmouque as mortes em Pituaçu foram justamente em represália ao assassinatodo PM Edmilson. Os matadores teriam saído à procura do grupo, na Bocado Rio, e, depois de serem informados sobre o paradeiro dele, partirampara Pituaçu, onde encontraram os cinco homens bebendo.
    Segundo o morador de Pituaçu, o grupo que promoveu a chacina no bairroera de policiais, ou, pelo menos, tinha um entre eles. Todo mundosabe, mas ninguém quer falar, disse. Segundo o morador, um dosencapuzados usava parte da farda da PM.
    A polícia diz desconhecer o envolvimento de policiais na ação dePituaçu. Porém não descarta a possibilidade de a chacina estar relacionada à morte do PM Edmilson.
    A chacina no Golfo Pérsico, em Pituaçu, então, tanto pode ter ligaçãocom a morte do PM, como com a chacina em Lauro de Freitas. Resta àpolícia dar uma resposta satisfatória à sociedade. Dos quatro mortos emPituaçu, Eulálio respondia por crime de lesões corporais, e Emilton,por furto.
    Outro caso – A chacina em Pituaçu não foi a primeira com quatro mortesregistrada este ano em Salvador. Em julho, Jean Anderson Santos, 17,o irmão dele Carlos Antônio, 23, e Jonatas Antunes, 23, foramencontrados carbonizados na manhã do dia 27, em um carro, na Estradade Nova Brasília, no bairro de Valéria. A quarta vítima, JaguaraciAntunes, 23, irmão de Jonatas, estava fora do carro. Ele recebeupauladas na cabeça e chegou ao HGE sem vida.

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  • #136415

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] Lots of places guys with machine guns show up and loot the patrons, and rob the restaurant.
    [/QUOTE] Actually this happened to a woman friend of mine in a McDonalds in NYC some years ago. Another friend experienced a similar incident in Chicago, and another in D.C. And in general, the domestic violence incidents you recount, drug related crime, and police abuse cited don’t equate with random crime against innocents to make any point at all, except about obsession with negativity. Does this represent the “optimism” spoken of? Do these reports, quoted and requoted ad nauseum, positively effect the livelihood of locals who struggle to make a living, largely from tourism which thrives on good word of mouth? Someone who bought here when the dollar was strong, and now feels the value of that investment may be falling might have reason to obsess with perceived factors effecting that, but, as the saying goes, “sounds like a personal problem”. ………and now, back to joyous, tranquil life here…(just down the way from your supposed hell on earth). Think I’ll go take a swim in the clear water and look for some interesting shells.

  • #136431

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] Lots of places guys with machine guns show up and loot the patrons, and rob the restaurant.
    [/QUOTE]

    Actually this happened to a woman friend of mine in a McDonalds in NYC some years ago. Another friend experienced a similar incident in Chicago, and another in D.C.
    And in general, the domestic violence incidents you recount, drug related crime, and police abuse cited don’t equate with random crime against innocents to make any point at all, except about obsession with negativity. Does this represent the “optimism” spoken of? Do these reports, quoted and requoted ad nauseum, positively effect the livelihood of locals who struggle to make a living, largely from tourism which thrives on good word of mouth?
    Someone who bought here when the dollar was strong, and now feels the value of that investment may be falling might have reason to obsess with perceived factors effecting that, but, as the saying goes, “sounds like a personal problem”.
    ………and now, back to joyous, tranquil life here…(just down the way from your supposed hell on earth). Think I’ll go take a swim in the clear water and look for some interesting shells.

    [/QUOTE]
    Actually the place I mentioned is a place a I frequent and the food is great.
    There have been dozens of restaurant attacks on our island in the last year. One delegado even wanted to require restaurant owners to call the police and tell them if gringoes were eating there.Confused
    There is no negativity to discuss violence in Salvador.
    There is no impact on tourism. Just look at Rio.LOL
    Finally if I had any concern about real estate prices and followed your logic, I would never post here. My posts have no effect on Real estate prices here.
    I am quite happy with my house, two dogs and a cat and my bunch of friends here and have no intention of selling.
    I simply don’t like the crime wave and violence here.
    I have some great neighbors who have been home owners here for decades and they are thinking of selling. The island is becoming like a big garbage strewn jail/prison camp with new and higher walls going up every day.
    My posts have no effect on the locals as there are about thirty regulars here and a small number of others mainly in SP, Rio, JPLOL, and Floripa, with a bit of Curitiba and Goias as well.
    Yes, I walk the beach daily with my dogs in the morning and it is beautiful.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-12-08 11:31:37

  • #136442

    lmaonade5
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    There is no negativity to discuss violence in Salvador. [/QUOTE] So violence is a positive subject?
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    There is no impact on tourism. Just look at Rio.[/QUOTE] Just look at any of the travel forums, at questions regarding Rio, at the preponderance of posters asking about safety, saying they “saw” a lot of commentary on the net about violence in Rio, in Brazil….these posts about violence are damagingand they ARE permanent.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    Finally if I had any concern about real estate prices and followed your logic, I would never post here. [/QUOTE] My logic is that you are frustrated about what you perceive to be the falling value of your assets and venting in an inappropriate way.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    I am quite happy with my house, two dogs and a cat and my bunch of friends here and have no intention of selling.[/QUOTE] So talk more about that, da liddel birdies at da feeders, the good stuff that attracts you to return year after year.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    I simply don’t like the crime wave and violence here.[/QUOTE] And venting about it is proactive in what way? Hurting your neighbors’ livlihood is positive for the island and area?
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    The island is becoming like a big garbage strewn jail/prison camp with new and higher walls going up every day.[/QUOTE] As shown by previously posted photos, the island is quite the tropical paradise. I suspect services in very few places in Brazil are equal to any typical US location. Check this post regarding Sao Paulo. [QUOTE=bobnbrazil2]
    It also would be nice if people would stop being pigs tossing their trash and garbage on the ground …….[/QUOTE] It’s just part of the package of living here. Have you organized your neighbors and friends to lobby to improve conditions? If I had a beach property in the US or Europe, fencing it for privacy, especially in the face of increased building, as is the case in the Salvador area and on the island, makes some sense.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    My posts have no effect on the locals as there are about thirty regulars here and a small number of others mainly in SP, Rio, JPLOL, and Floripa, with a bit of Curitiba and Goias as well.[/QUOTE] You simply choose to remain ignorant to the power of an internet search engine to unearth information. This info is permanent. Unfortunately, it probably will be quoted and be damaging Salvaador’s reputation long after you have left this mortal coil.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    Yes, I walk the beach daily with my dogs in the morning and it is beautiful.
    [/QUOTE] So talk about that beauty at the same length you indulge your obsession with violence. (Hope you bring a pooper scooper and bag with you on your walks, so as not to give any future lady friends a rash when swimming in dog waste.) Don’t be blue, Balls. Life on the island is a joy. Reach for it. Bahiana772009-12-08 12:26:58

  • #136460

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77][QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    There is no negativity to discuss violence in Salvador. [/QUOTE]

    So violence is a positive subject?
    Discussion of the violence is certainly positive as it leads to solutions.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    There is no impact on tourism. Just look at Rio.[/QUOTE]
    Just look at any of the travel forums, at questions regarding Rio, at the preponderance of posters asking about safety, saying they “saw” a lot of commentary on the net about violence in Rio, in Brazil….these posts about violence are damagingand they ARE permanent.
    Pure nonsense and conjecture on your part. Tourisim in Rio is up, they won the World Cup and the Olympics. Even with all of the favela drug wars.LOLLOLRobin Williams had a funny explanation that got a lot of press here.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    Finally if I had any concern about real estate prices and followed your logic, I would never post here. [/QUOTE]
    My logic is that you are frustrated about what you perceive to be the falling value of your assets and venting in an inappropriate way.
    You know nothing about Penha and Barra do Gil seaside properties as evidenced by your questioning children of fishermen and posting alleged negative comments here. Way off target and wrong to boot! I have never, not once posted any care or concern about real estate prices on the island. So you claim I am unhappy because I bought at a much better exchange rate at a price two one third of what I could get now? I’ve made a return above 400% and have no complaints.LOL
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    I am quite happy with my house, two dogs and a cat and my bunch of friends here and have no intention of selling.[/QUOTE]
    So talk more about that, da liddel birdies at da feeders, the good stuff that attracts you to return year after year.
    I have posted about the positive things.Wink
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    I simply don’t like the crime wave and violence here.[/QUOTE]
    And venting about it is proactive in what way? Hurting your neighbors’ livlihood is positive for the island and area?
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    The island is becoming like a big garbage strewn jail/prison camp with new and higher walls going up every day.[/QUOTE]
    As shown by previously posted photos, the island is quite the tropical paradise.
    I suspect services in very few places in Brazil are equal to any typical US location. It’s just part of the package of living here. Have you organized your neighbors and friends to lobby to improve conditions?
    My neighbors are united to improve the quality of life here.
    I have a problem with the favela dwellers who burn trash mounds, send children to Bom Preco to beg for money, send adolescents into neighboring areas to break into homes and steal objects, and the growing crackhead population which targets gringoes for serious violent crime.
    If I had a beach property in the US or Europe, fencing it for privacy, especially in the face of increased building, as is the case in the Salvador area and on the island, makes some sense.
    When crackheads are jumping walls and windows to steal things and loot the residents, you really need a higher wall. Not to mention the police don’t bother to come when there is an event.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    My posts have no effect on the locals as there are about thirty regulars here and a small number of others mainly in SP, Rio, JPLOL, and Floripa, with a bit of Curitiba and Goias as well.[/QUOTE]
    You simply choose to remain ignorant to the power of an internet search engine to unearth information. This info is permanent. Unfortunately, it probably will be quoted and be damaging Salvaador’s reputation long after you have left this mortal coil.
    Try a Google search for Salvador. This thread will not appear.
    More self absorbed nonsense.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    Yes, I walk the beach daily with my dogs in the morning and it is beautiful.
    [/QUOTE]
    So talk about that beauty at the same length you indulge your obsession with violence. (Hope you bring a pooper scooper and bag with you on your walks, so as not to give any future lady friends a rash when swimming in dog waste.)
    No Brazilian ever walks with a pooper scooper or bags in Salvador. A French neighbor lets his dozen dogs roam for years and he does nothing. There is an abundance of dog poop in Salvador and condo residents complain of the cocodromos. Everything gets washed into the sea/bay. Not to mention the viralatas as well. I walk with some bags on the beach.Wink
    Don’t be blue, Balls. Life on the island is a joy. Reach for it.
    Not blue at all. But the color of the letters happens to be blue.LOL

    [/QUOTE]

  • #136494

    815
    Member

    GBofF-
    It’s been a while since we’ve seen a news clipping. Can I assume they have fixed their little violence problem up there? Wink

  • #136496

    micko
    Member

    Apparently it’s gone domestic …

  • #136541

    lmaonade5
    Member

    domestic…ballistic…sei la’….. [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] Discussion of the violence is certainly positive as it leads to solutions. [/QUOTE]

    But there is no discussion here, just rant introducing badly pasted articles copied from other sources and repeatedrepeatedrepeated.

    And since..

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] there are about thirty regulars here and a small number of others mainly in SP, Rio, JP, and Floripa, with a bit of Curitibaand Goias as well.[/QUOTE]

    . the solutions for Salvadorand Itaparica are ostensibly coming from where? The few people on the forum who live here and have expressed disagreement with your views?

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    Tourisim in Riois up, .[/QUOTE]

    Conjecture on my part? Conjecture on yours, definitively. Cite statistics to prove your point.. All the travel forums consistently field questions from people with grave doubts about going to Riobecause of what they have read about the violence. And in fact, there are still vacancies for Carnaval for the first time in many years at the level being seen.

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    You know nothing about Penha and Barra do Gil .. as evidenced by your questioning children of fishermen and posting alleged negative comments here. .[/QUOTE]

    I asked them for an opinion of the neighborhood—how and why a well-to-do house in that community and its owner might find themselves burgled while staff were apparently in the house. They gave me theirs. They do know their own island quite well. More recently, as the obsessing with violence goes on and on and on, in contrast to their happy lives, when I have let them read what has been posted, the comments go more toward the more unpublishable explicit.

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    I am quite happy.[/QUOTE]

    So again, talk more about that.

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]I have posted about the positive things. .[/QUOTE]

    Not .01 % (probably not .001%, but who’s counting) of the verbiage you have posted about your obsession with violence.

    Have you organized your neighbors and friends to lobby to improve conditions?
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    My neighbors are united to improve the quality of life here. .[/QUOTE]Doing exactly what? Maybe if we knew, the rest of us could adopt such effective tactics. Sadly, I think the extent may be your rants here.

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    I have a problem with the favela dwellers who burn trash mounds, send children to Bom Preco to beg for money, send adolescents into neighboring areas to break into homes and steal objects, and the growing crackhead population which targets gringoes for serious violent crime. .[/QUOTE]

    And they in turn express a problem with rich, effete, out-of-touch gringos who spout offensive stuff, tarring all with the same brush, like those problems don’t exist in their own country.
    Why do you solely blame the poor (favela dwellers) for all this? In fact, there is substantial crime committed by rich kids to obtain drugs. Who do they target? Those who have little of monetary worth? The neighbor who feeds them in times of need? Or the guy whose imposing fence makes him such an integral part of the community?
    And many folks burn trash and brush, not just the poor.

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    Try a Google search for Salvador. This thread will not appear.
    More self absorbed nonsense. [/QUOTE]

    I did a search for the topic of violence and the threads did indeed come up. They are permanently on the net forever, to what should be your great embarassment at hurting your local neighbors survival.

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] No Brazilian ever walks with a pooper scooper or bags in Salvador. [/QUOTE]

    But you are not one. You are a gringo who should know better. And in fact, I have seen folks with dogs out with a baggie there.
    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] Everything gets washed into the sea/bay. [/QUOTE] ….where you then complain that it gives your little friends a rash.

    Don’t be blue, Balls. Post about the good part of life in Salvador.

    Bahiana772009-12-08 18:10:31