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  • #276145

    mpbgd
    Member

    My wife is in SP right now and is trying to rent a furnished apartment. Our budget is 4000 BRL. So far no luck at all, they either jack up the price, cancel, want a 30 month agreement, flake out, etc etc.

    Can anyone give me some sites that are reliable? We are thinking of renting for 6 months.
  • #276190

    monzon
    Member

    The 30 month contract is standard unfortunately, you are free to leave when you want but you’ll have to pay a fine for the remaining months left on the contract which is a percentage i believe.
    Right now you should be able to find something that suits your needs as there are lots of options on the market right now because of the downturn. If you have a large enough deposit try talking directly to the owner to see if you can work something in your favour. We originally rented through an agency but after the first term ended we signed a contract directly with the owner.
    Remember, if the owners aren’t willing to accommodate you it’s there loss as their property will be without tenants paying rent for months to come, so just move on and keep looking. I don’t know any good sites for rental but I’m sure someone else can chime in. Good luck.

  • #276191

    mpbgd
    Member

    It’s been a nightmare so far. As soon as my wife meets them the renter in person, they tell her the 30 months contract and jacks up the price for 6 months contract, even though she states it clearly we need it for 6 months prior to the meeting.

    She contacted the agencies such as saopauloflats and agent Veronika was less than helpful. She doesn’t want to do any research for us, just wants us to sign up with the quickest most inconvenient apartment. Others didn’t even bother to reply. One renter wanted 3 months deposit on a 6 month contract so the first payment would be 4 months worth of rent.
    I figured the same thing as you wrote. The market is stagnant/downturning, it’s off season, how hard can it be…..
    At this rate we’ll end up renting a hotel for 100 bucks a night, 3 months, along with an uber cheap apartment just to keep an address.
    Anyway thanks for the information. I’m a little more encouraged by reading what your wrote.
  • #276203

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Goofus]

    At this rate we’ll end up renting a hotel for 100 bucks a night, 3 months, along with an uber cheap apartment just to keep an address.

    [/QUOTE]
    If you can find an apartment in the periferia for 800 or less, this should keep you on budget. Question is, where are you going to find a 100 per night hotel? Even if you do, how are you going to find one where you don’t fear contracting aids from lying under the sheets? Hotels are freaking expensive.

  • #276204

    Finrudd
    Participant

    The issue is normally that you will need to sign the 36 month contract, not that affordable and furnished apartments are unavailable. My uncle was renting an apartment in Alameda Lorena in Jardims and it was R$2.500 per month including Condo and IPTU- that is for a one-bed though. As you say, rental market is fairly good right now for tenants it would seem, but the 36 month contract is a pain.

  • #276207

    mpbgd
    Member

    [QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=Goofus]

    At this rate we’ll end up renting a hotel for 100 bucks a night, 3 months, along with an uber cheap apartment just to keep an address.

    [/QUOTE]
    If you can find an apartment in the periferia for 800 or less, this should keep you on budget. Question is, where are you going to find a 100 per night hotel? Even if you do, how are you going to find one where you don’t fear contracting aids from lying under the sheets? Hotels are freaking expensive.
    [/QUOTE]

    The average cost comes down to about 105 bucks a night through hotels.com. She’s staying in some hotel 1 or 2 blocks from Ave. Paulista. It’s next to some Japanese restaurant called Shintori. Breakfast and wifi included and from what I heard, it’s not too bad of a breakfast.
    Apparently the hotel has a 3 month long term rental. I forgot how much but it becomes considerably cheaper if you go through the rental sites. Obviously if you go directly from the hotel, it’s 110-120 bucks a night X 90 days.
    This rental thing is a night mare. My wife just told me she got 2 replies from 20 requests…… Oddly despite the downturn, people seem to be jacking up the prices. Dang….market value makes no sense, well at least until the final fallout. Then everything goes on fire sale. I’ve seen this in all too many countries I’ve lived in.
  • #276208

    mpbgd
    Member

    [QUOTE=finrudd]The issue is normally that you will need to sign the 36 month contract, not that affordable and furnished apartments are unavailable. My uncle was renting an apartment in Alameda Lorena in Jardims and it was R$2.500 per month including Condo and IPTU- that is for a one-bed though. As you say, rental market is fairly good right now for tenants it would seem, but the 36 month contract is a pain.[/QUOTE]

    Which part of the Lorena? Still renting ? 36 months right?
  • #276209

    mpbgd
    Member

    [QUOTE=finrudd]The issue is normally that you will need to sign the 36 month contract, not that affordable and furnished apartments are unavailable. My uncle was renting an apartment in Alameda Lorena in Jardims and it was R$2.500 per month including Condo and IPTU- that is for a one-bed though. As you say, rental market is fairly good right now for tenants it would seem, but the 36 month contract is a pain.[/QUOTE]

    actually we need 12 months.
  • #276210

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Goofus][QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=Goofus]

    At this rate we’ll end up renting a hotel for 100 bucks a night, 3 months, along with an uber cheap apartment just to keep an address.

    [/QUOTE]
    If you can find an apartment in the periferia for 800 or less, this should keep you on budget. Question is, where are you going to find a 100 per night hotel? Even if you do, how are you going to find one where you don’t fear contracting aids from lying under the sheets? Hotels are freaking expensive.
    [/QUOTE]

    The average cost comes down to about 105 bucks a night through hotels.com. She’s staying in some hotel 1 or 2 blocks from Ave. Paulista. It’s next to some Japanese restaurant called Shintori. Breakfast and wifi included and from what I heard, it’s not too bad of a breakfast.
    Apparently the hotel has a 3 month long term rental. I forgot how much but it becomes considerably cheaper if you go through the rental sites. Obviously if you go directly from the hotel, it’s 110-120 bucks a night X 90 days.
    This rental thing is a night mare. My wife just told me she got 2 replies from 20 requests…… Oddly despite the downturn, people seem to be jacking up the prices. Dang….market value makes no sense, well at least until the final fallout. Then everything goes on fire sale. I’ve seen this in all too many countries I’ve lived in.

    [/QUOTE]
    That’s really cheap and well located. How is the quality of the place? I’d like to keep this in mind if I decide to go on a bender in SP and don’t want to crash at a friends house.

  • #276213

    mpbgd
    Member

    I’ll ask her the name of the hotel for you. Just keep in mind, it’s off season which is probably why it’s so cheap. Also some rooms are really heinous and some floors are under construction. Anyway I have a feeling that it’s worth about a 100 bucks no matter what.

    She picked this hotel since no one on the trip adviser said that their sh*t got stolen from the room safe deposit box or the guest didn’t have to call the embassy/consulate for legal assistance for fraudulent billing. It sounds like a joke but if you read some of the reviews on trip adviser, you’d think it was some motel in the wild wild west a 150 years ago.
  • #276214

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Goofus] It sounds like a joke but if you read some of the reviews on trip adviser, you’d think it was some motel in the wild wild west a 150 years ago. [/QUOTE]
    I lived in SP for 4-5 years. This does NOT sound like a joke! The wild west at least had honor, pride and a future. SP and her people have none of the above.

  • #276218

    Finrudd
    Participant

    [QUOTE=The Abbot]
    That’s really cheap and well located. How is the quality of the place? I’d like to keep this in mind if I decide to go on a bender in SP and don’t want to crash at a friends house.
    [/QUOTE]

    Quality Long-Stay Bela Cintra is charging R$356 for two people, which is oddly enough, the Honeymoon package and includes:
    Two breakfasts (breakfast is not too bad there)
    Wifi (shockingly bad)
    Chocolates,
    Flower arrangement,
    sparkling wine,
    fruit platter,
    rose petals on the bed,
    Late check-out (4pm).
    This is probably a system error, but it’s the best price they have right now. Most of the rooms are bedroom + lounge + bathroom and in some cases a second single bedroom, which is handy if you are sharing with someone who you don’t want to share a bed with.
    Now, for somewhere to lay yourself down in a bath of cool water after a bender in town, it’s not a bad option, although never thought of you as a rose-petals-on-the-bed kind of man! Still, the sparkling could be good for some hair of the dog at breakfast?
  • #276219

    monzon
    Member

    Another option could be airbnb. You could book an apartment for a month or 2 then negotiate with the owner directly to extend before the 2 months are up? I’d prefer to do that rather than a flat or hotel – just a thought.

  • #276221

    Fyi and IMO you are making some huge mistakes. SP is one of the most expensive cities in the world. You are a gringo and gringos in Brazil are not treated very well, this is the hard truth. You are not a wealthy man. Already you seem stressed and now a kid will be in your future? You are in for a helluva ride bud.

  • #276224

    mpbgd
    Member

    [QUOTE=richsa05]Another option could be airbnb. You could book an apartment for a month or 2 then negotiate with the owner directly to extend before the 2 months are up? I’d prefer to do that rather than a flat or hotel – just a thought.
    [/QUOTE]

    We’re looking at that one right now. Thanx for the information.
  • #276228

    Goofus: Walk away from this probable suicide you are attempting. Back off and think clearly what you want to do. Life in Recife is not easy and I make bank. Brazil can be very dangerous. Step back and think about what you are doing bud.

  • #276232

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]
    You are a gringo and gringos in Brazil are not treated very well, this is the hard truth.
    [/QUOTE]
    This says more about you than anything. You probably felt this way because of the quality of person you are. Gringos are treated very well in SP. I guess you got what you gave.

  • #276237

    Silpy Gomden
    Member

    Abbot, you are absolutely correct. I have lived in the North and the Northeast and have traveled all over Brazil. I always get what I give. Even with university students in the early 1960’s. Wink

  • #276244

    bandizim
    Member

    If you need furnished unit for less than one year I recommend http://www.saopauloflat.com

    Rental without 3x deposit, or fiador. Everything can be done in one day.

    slowson2015-07-15 12:16:44

  • #276254

    Then you live in a dream world.

  • #276264

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=finrudd]

    Quality Long-Stay Bela Cintra is charging R$356 for two people[/QUOTE]
    This is a good option. I am very familiar with this “flat”-hotel. The apartments are fair and well-equipped. Maybe a bit too small to live an entire year, but that is Sao Paulo for you.
    You can do better if you deal directly with them. A girl I know keep an apartment there, paying a monthly rate of just over R$4K, no breakfast included.
    To OP: If you go with the hotel option there is no need to rent a second place just to get an address. The hotel itself is accepted as your address, even for legal purposes. You will of course have problems producing a utility bill, but a bill or receipt from the hotel, made out to your name, might serve the same purpose. If not, go to a “cartorio” to produce a sworn and notarized statement of address — it comes with pretty stamps and most places will take that in lieu of a utility bill.
  • #276284

    mpbgd
    Member

    Thanks for the precious information. One of the guys that hiked up the prices called my wife back and is trying to negotiate. I will tell her what you wrote and check up with the embassies on the address.

    You are most likely right. The hotel/equipped long term rental suites will do just fine as an address.
    Anyway once again thanks.
  • #276288

    Tony
    Participant

    Just pm me. I can get around with this 30 month nonsense.
    Let me know your locating preferences.
    Depending on what you seek ( 4000 can be either too short or plenty ) I might have places I can show.

  • #276325

    mpbgd
    Member

    [QUOTE=Rebroker@sampa]Just pm me. I can get around with this 30 month nonsense.
    Let me know your locating preferences.
    Depending on what you seek ( 4000 can be either too short or plenty ) I might have places I can show.
    [/QUOTE]

    PM Sent
  • #28507

    Jepster
    Member

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