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  • #275992

    My neighbors got robbed and beaten so now the wife and I have death threats for no reason than we are gringos. Suffice to say we want to buy a Weapon for self defense. We found an AR 15 semi auto rifle. I love it but the wife is nervous. Anybody else out there have a GUN? Opinions…the good, the bad?

    gringo.recife2015-07-07 23:40:57

  • #275993

    celso
    Member

    Perhaps you should move to a safer part of town?
    Sadly more guns usually do not solve the problem.

  • #275995

    Anonymous

    Unless you live in Alaska (or maybe Afghanistan) I can’t see an automatic rifle as a great form of self defense. Will she learn to shoot it? Will you never leave the house again? If anything happens to you it will probably happen at the gate. If they do burst in to your house chances are in the heat of an assault you are not going to be able to find and load the gun… are you going to have it hanging around loaded all the time?

    We have had the opportunity to acquire handguns here (legally and otherwise) and we have always decided that having a gun in the house is more of a liability than not having a gun. After all, it gives thieves a high-value target… and seriously, if we had a loaded weapon around the house, we would all be dead many times over. (parents of teenagers, you all know what I`m talking about)
    I am with GBOF- move, get a security detail, a few very ugly, angry dogs (shepherd mixes scare the hell out of people), etc.
    I don’t mean to sound rude- we were burgled a few years ago and I wouldn`t wish that on anyone. We ended up moving and redoubled all our security. I’m sorry to hear this is happening to you.
  • #275996

    Ron
    Participant

    Keep in mind that for no matter what reason and justification you have if you, as a foreigner, hurt a Brazilian, the authorities will most likely turn on you. In the small community I live in everyone is related, somewhere along the line, to a policeman.

    It is a dilemma I am sure most of us have at some time considered.
    The situation which most concerns me is if Brazil’s economy eventually collapses and the poor turn on the wealthy. Hopefully we get out before.
  • #275998

    ffm
    Member

    You say weapon with a capital “W”. Does that mean you are talking about bazookas and stuff? If so, go for it. Thumbs Up

  • #276001

    Finrudd
    Participant

    Illegalities aside:

    AR 15 – the civilian M15, right? How thick are your walls up there in Recife? One shot with an AR15 that misses, and it will probably miss your intended target, will travel through a thin ‘Bahiano’ brick (the hollow, red type commonly used in Brazil) and carry on its merry way, maybe taking out some of your family members, friendly neighbours etc as it goes.
    The Australian comedian Jim Jeffries says it best. He is a rude man, but he has quite a convincing way of saying it.
    [TUBE]Jl–YVnni0I[/TUBE]
  • #276002

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    Unless you have a “get out of jail for free card”, having a gun like that will earn you a 3 to 6 year stint in a typical brazilian sh*thole of a prison.

  • #276027

    The wife wants the gun, not so much me.

  • #276029

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]The wife wants the gun, not so much me.[/QUOTE]

    Then the wife goes to jail.
  • #276035

    Ron
    Participant

    What a great idea – I’ll see if I can talk my wife into buying a gun. Wink

  • #276036

    Anonymous

    Ha, the chances are probably higher that she will go to jail for shooting you!! Be careful if she suddenly signs you up for life insurance.

  • #276039

    graham
    Participant

    I was raised in a home full of guns. It was natural and OK…no problems. Here it is a different culture. Guns are not OK. Due to its laws and legal liabilities for self defense, I think that gun ownership in Brasil has the potential for trouble more than safety…plus it could make one a target. Attention, caution and wisdom are the best defense here. Automatic weapons would be insane to own.

  • #276041

    Ron
    Participant

    http://theshrug.net/this-is-the-last-bullet-youll-ever-need-watch-and-see-the-technology-for-yourself/

    Other than a revolver loaded with these, a pump action shotgun would be my home protection weapon of choice.
  • #276042

    Finrudd
    Participant

    I Buy Brazilian! The Taurus Judge revolver fires a .410 bore shot shells or a .45 Colt cartridge! It is a pump action without the pump!

  • #276044

    agri2001
    Participant

    I thought it was totally illegal to own a gun that uses a cartridge larger then .38 cal.

    Has the law changed?
    If so just buy what The Abbot suggested, a f**king bazooka.
  • #276045

    How come most of you are liberals? This site is ant-gun that is for sure until one of you is mortally wounded, then you buy a gun, if you are still alive. Wife still wants to buy the gun.

  • #276046

    [QUOTE=sven][QUOTE=gringo.recife]The wife wants the gun, not so much me.[/QUOTE]

    Then the wife goes to jail.[/QUOTE]
    Who are you the authority on gun control?
  • #276050

    Anonymous

    hm. you just posted about how lovely recife is in another thread. Change your mind?

    Want to talk about what the site is? People actually offer real advice even when you continue to troll here. We’re truly terrible people.
  • #276055

    My great city Recife is great but we have issues like all over. Wife still wants to buy the gun. She is pro gun and believes in personal protection but she has a temper like so many women here. i am so confused I don’t know what to do. What if she uses the gun on me if she blows her temper? Women are known to kill their husbands. On ebay I can buy a locked safe to keep the guns?

  • #276058

    Finrudd
    Participant

    How does the gun protect you when it’s locked in the safe? I refer you back to the excellent Mr Jim Jeffries and his video on this subject, and guns locked in the safe…

    4 mins 40 into the video :)

    finrudd2015-07-10 15:21:54

  • #276059

    graham
    Participant

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]My great city Recife is great but we have issues like all over. Wife still wants to buy the gun. She is pro gun and believes in personal protection but she has a temper like so many women here. i am so confused I don’t know what to do. What if she uses the gun on me if she blows her temper? Women are known to kill their husbands. On ebay I can buy a locked safe to keep the guns?[/QUOTE]

    a pro gun spouse with a temper…you might be in jeopardy no matter what you do. murder in brasil is often prompted by anger and jealousy. behave.
    good luck.
  • #276068

    Good news today as we are happy to report we found a nice little 45 caliber Glock. My wife likes it and I do too. Next up to buy a small hand safe that is activated by our finger prints. I hope we can begin target practice so my wife is a good shot. Recife has a large Police Range near Centro. I just hope my emotional wife dos not use the gun in erratic ways!

  • #276071

    Ron
    Participant

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]Good news today as we are happy to report we found a nice little 45 caliber Glock. My wife likes it and I do too. Next up to buy a small hand safe that is activated by our finger prints. I hope we can begin target practice so my wife is a good shot. Recife has a large Police Range near Centro. I just hope my emotional wife dos not use the gun in erratic ways! [/QUOTE]

    Have a look at trigger locks. Keeps the weapon safe from children and angry wives but still allows quick access.

    A combination lock with only one number off set is very quick to remove.
    Revolvers don’t jam!!!!!!!! and if you can’t get the job done with 6 rounds……………..
    I think your wife will find the recoil of a .45 a bit intimidating……..maybe you too.
  • #276072

    Finrudd
    Participant

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]Good news today as we are happy to report we found a nice little 45 caliber Glock. My wife likes it and I do too. Next up to buy a small hand safe that is activated by our finger prints. I hope we can begin target practice so my wife is a good shot. Recife has a large Police Range near Centro. I just hope my emotional wife dos not use the gun in erratic ways! [/QUOTE]

    If it is not a licensed gun, then going anywhere near a Police range with it, might be a bad idea. There is a process for getting a gun license, but from what I have seen, it is only for keeping in your house or the gun club – transporting it requires additional temporary permission.
    Again, a gun in a safe does not offer much in the way of protection. If anything, that safe will cause you more problems. The intruders break in while you are asleep, and your gun is safely locked away. Or, perhaps more common, follow you into the house when you arrive late one night. Again, your gun is safely locked away, protecting no one. While you are being tied up with a gun to your head, by someone who might well use it, they spot your safe – which of course is full of diamonds, gold and Yanquis Dollars in their mind. So, after being pistol-whipped for the combination, they realise that it opens with finger print access. Great – they move you or your wife over to the safe, or my personal dislike of finger-print readers, they decide to take your fingers to the safe. Bingo! They now have a shiny new Glock and all the other stuff that you put in the safe.
    Oh, and they waste you both on their way out, using your gun. City of God Motel Scene style.
    So – now lets consider the same without the gun in the safe. It’s the same really, but you dont get wasted with your hand-cannon at the end, or lose a finger or two because they are too lazy to move you to the safe (that you dont have). You instead get shot with their crappy old .22 revolver that is rusted and falling apart, and if you are luck, escape with a flesh wound. Not so much chance of that happening with a .45.
    I would focus on building a panic room, and improving security measures around your house.
  • #276088

    Today we just got back from the Gun Range and Wifey found a Shot Gun she adores! We decided to buy it. The safe, the Glock and now the Shot Gun….we are ready for ISIS!

  • #276103

    theiv
    Member

    I would invest in a well trained guard dog. A much safer and effective option. But’s that just my 2 cents

  • #276108

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]Good news today as we are happy to report we found a nice little 45 caliber Glock. My wife likes it and I do too. Next up to buy a small hand safe that is activated by our finger prints. I hope we can begin target practice so my wife is a good shot. Recife has a large Police Range near Centro. I just hope my emotional wife dos not use the gun in erratic ways! [/QUOTE]

    Good luck taking a .45 glock to a police range LOL
  • #276109

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=finrudd]

    If it is not a licensed gun,

    [/QUOTE]

    You CAN’T license a .45, unless you’re with the police/federal police/army/navy/airforce.
  • #276112

    Ron
    Participant

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]Today we just got back from the Gun Range and Wifey found a Shot Gun she adores! We decided to buy it. The safe, the Glock and now the Shot Gun….we are ready for ISIS! [/QUOTE]

    Shotgun – you’ll need a bigger safe!
    100 round magazine for Glock – fully automatic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrggqzwhFc
  • #276148

    The wife is shooting today at the Range! :)

  • #276154

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife] The wife is shooting today at the Range! :)[/QUOTE]
    How is this possible?

  • #276161

    The wife enjoys shooting I guess?

  • #276184

    mpbgd
    Member

    Guys, what kind of documents do you need to buy a gun? What kind of guns can you get over there?

    How expensive is ammo? I am going to assume it’s hell expensive so better be shooting something worthwhile like criminals……
  • #276193

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Goofus]Guys, what kind of documents do you need to buy a gun? What kind of guns can you get over there?

    How expensive is ammo? I am going to assume it’s hell expensive so better be shooting something worthwhile like criminals……

    [/QUOTE]

    You need a license from the PF that costs R$ 3000.
  • #276200

    oweng
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire] [QUOTE=gringo.recife] The wife is shooting today at the Range! :)[/QUOTE]
    How is this possible? [/QUOTE] So she’s not shooting crack heads again down by the station

  • #276205

    mpbgd
    Member

    [QUOTE=sven][QUOTE=Goofus]Guys, what kind of documents do you need to buy a gun? What kind of guns can you get over there?

    How expensive is ammo? I am going to assume it’s hell expensive so better be shooting something worthwhile like criminals……

    [/QUOTE]

    You need a license from the PF that costs R$ 3000.

    [/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the information. Will keep this in mind.
  • #276220

    The dood svin is wrong, we only paid R$400. Perhaps down in the crazy urban jungles of SP and Rio. We are in Northeast Brazil.

  • #276234

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=gringo.recife]The dood svin is wrong, we only paid R$400. Perhaps down in the crazy urban jungles of SP and Rio. We are in Northeast Brazil.[/QUOTE]

  • #276239

    Kiet to
    Member

    Well that certainly says everything about you..

  • #276252

    We just got back form the Range….Wife is a great shot. Me, not so good. ;)

  • #276312

    Tony
    Participant

    Unless she gets the gun illegally , and so the ammo, getting a gun permit here takes up to a whole year, and the odds in getting approved are thin. Even for justifiable use, people carrying valuables.
    Also crimes of heart, fire guns are the weapon of Choice.
    My father sold guns legally through a Sporting Goods store, way back in the 60’s. . Out of our then competitors, only one stood in business. And they only have a small single location ( Ao Gaucho, São Paulo, they go way back from over 50-60 years in Business. ). Government killed the gun dealing business.
    Actually Governmrnt took guns from the common citizen through voluntary gun disposal programs. Meanwhile , police officers were selling illegal guns to career criminals. Go figure.
    So just get out of Recife. Go south, way south. And if you get a farm, then you may be able to get an issued permit to buy a shotgun. For hunting and self defense purposes.

  • #276362

    Paulo
    Participant

    An AR15 is the old M16 from Vietnam but with the fully automatic disabled. With a muzzle velocity of 2,200 ft per second it will take out the thief and anything behind him for 20ft.

    A Colt .38 revolver Positive or Special can be legal and if she misses the thief and hits you then at least you have a chance of survival.
  • #28488

    rojenbd
    Member

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