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  • #59017

    mercy224
    Member

    Hey guys,

    My Brazilian wife is convinced we can ship a used vehicle to Brazil when we move. Everything I have read on this site as well as other sources indicate that this is not the case. Is she allowed to take a vehicle as part of her personal effects? Her Brazilian friends here in Texas are trying to tell me I’m crazy for saying we can’t!! What is the “official” policy if there is one? My wife has dual citizenship if that makes a difference.

  • #59019

    Grimm
    Member

    So if they say you can do it then that’s fantastic news. Now ask them to guide you and provide some information/links maybe on how to go about it.

    Oh and the tax question, don’t forget to ask them that.

    If it can be done we would all be very interested in the details.

    good luck, I hope it works out for you

  • #59027

    demiurge
    Member

    You can fly to the moon if you have enough money….

    Furthermore, you can import anything you want into Brazil, the question is how much you are prepared to pay in taxes and hurry-up money etc.

    A couple of days ago the Brazilian customs in Rio seized three luxury cars being imported on a ship from USA, a BMW, Ferrari and a Jap 4 X 4.

    The shipment value was given at R$750,000 and the reason for the seizure was something to do with paperwork !!! If you wanna play, you have to pay.

  • #59028

    ramith
    Member

    It is best to check with the Receita Federal to make sure and if they say it is OK make sure you get documented proof. On their website

    http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/principal/Ingles/faq.htm

    Under moving to Brazil it specificaly says

    IV – Motor vehicles and vessels

    The Brazilian customs regulation does not allow the import of used motor vehicles and vessels. New vehicles are not exempt and will be taxed in full.

  • #59030

    wparks83
    Member

    Their website also states that cars are not allowed to be brought as baggage ……. so sticking it in a case may not be a sensible option either

    Of course their website has a disclaimer that the information might not be uptodate so best check in person.

    Certainly cars are much more exspensive in Brazil but even if you could import it I am sure it would be a lot of hassle.

  • #59031

    dalmata
    Member

    You could always try to get a job at an Embassy in Brazil, or the UN.

    My father in law brought a Volkswagen from Hollandback in the 70’s as he worked for the UN.

  • #59032

    floripa
    Member

    I thought I had found a loop hole until I read that.

    Maybe the folks I’ve heard of have friends in high places. Or maybe the people insisting it can be done know not of what they speak!!!

  • #59033

    -Swiss2007-11-29 00:11:23

  • #59034

    ramith
    Member

    Yes, the plan is to live full-time. “Wiggle room”? Any ideas on where I might find information on this “wiggle room”?

  • #59036

    wparks83
    Member

    And by the way I would like to invite everyone to come to Texas to drive one of our thousands of cars longing to feel the open road of your Brazilian highways!!

  • #59039

    mercy224
    Member

    Glenn, in Brazil, being the wonderful place it is, it’s a matter of not what you know, but who you know, regardless of what the Receita Federal’s or anybody else’s rules say.

    Some years ago we used to send a guy to the airport or the docks with a suitcase full of Reais to get things moving. It was either that or we faced months of delays with excuses and storage costs adding to the bill. It was considered cost effective until human nature intervened and the gents on the receiving end got greedy and increased the cost of the graft to the point where it was no longer acceptable, killed the golden goose so to speak. Now-days we use a reputable handling agent with the right connections who can get things done on time. Paying the import tax is cheaper than the graft was and, providing the paperwork is a million percent correct, we get our equipment without delays.

    If you are anywhere near Houston give Panalpina a call, we use them on a daily basis for importing equipment and personal effects into Brazil and their office in Rio has people who speak English fluently. If you send me a PM I can give you contacts at both ends.

    Good luck..

  • #59040

    Wilson Cruz
    Member

    -Swiss2007-11-29 00:11:57

  • #59041

    mercy224
    Member

    -!Swiss2007-11-29 00:12:17

  • #59066

    blue
    Member

    Ah no, keep the guaraná! You get very funny, never seen a Swiss stoned on guaraná!!!

  • #59069

    Milenko
    Participant

    If it was common to bring in used cars from outside Brazil it seems as if you would run across the odd model for sale here. I don’t. Yet there must be thousands of Brazilians repatriating every year.
    But then there is the black GTO in Fortaleza…

  • #59071

    Aaronk
    Member

    [QUOTE=Swiss]
    There is a freind with Ferrari here, but with potholes the size of moon craters on the BR 116, he can’t open it up past 1st gear without having a deathwish.

    QUOTE]

    The BR116 myth again. I have just travelled a good length of that very road. I have even written an article about it ( and the BR101) for Gringoes called the Great North Road.A great number of people must be detered from travelling the route because of storys like that. I travelled an extra 600kms and put one day on my journey because of that myth. On my return journey I was forced to use the BR116 and found a road where I could travel at speed, virtually free of trucks and complete with breathtaking scenery to boot. I will be driving to Joao Pessoa again very soon. I will avoid Rio and travel on the BR116.

    One other point, I asked my good lady wife to make a note of all the bad areas on our way back from Joao Pessoa to Sul De Minas so I could tell readers of Gringoes articles. A worthy but pointless exercise it proved to be, as she might as well have counted Ferraris.

    May I ask when did you actually travel on it?

  • #59076

    wparks83
    Member

    [QUOTE=DUNGA]If it was common to bring in used cars from outside Brazil it seems as if you would run across the odd model for sale here. I don’t. Yet there must be thousands of Brazilians repatriating every year.
    But then there is the black GTO in Fortaleza…
    [/QUOTE]

    It is fairly common to bring in used cars from outside Brazil by a few of the thousands of repatriating Brazilians every year, the majority are driven over the various borders avoiding the port controls.

    They are usually sold privately which is why you don’t see them advertised too much.

  • #59078

    Almost There
    Member

    How would you register one though? Surely DETRAN would go right over it and realise its not a local car.

  • #59081

    Almost There
    Member

    Correct, but as has been said before, it’s not what you know in Brazil, it’s who, these vehicles are filtered into the system.

    Missus has an uncle in Detran, he asked me when I would like my Brazilian drivers license delivered. !!!

  • #59086

    Almost There
    Member

    Thankd for reminding me, I need to go and get my temp licence or whatever they call it, I’m still driving on my Aus one.

  • #59088

    Xavier
    Member

    [QUOTE=Terry_2]It is fairly common to bring in used cars from outside Brazil by a few of the thousands of repatriating Brazilians every year, the majority are driven over the various borders avoiding the port controls.

    They are usually sold privately which is why you don’t see them advertised too much.
    [/QUOTE]

    Well I happen to live on the ‘fronteira’ and I just don’t see that many for sale or on the road, and I know what a model not produced in Brazil looks like. It isn’t that common because there isn’t that big of an advantage in brining one in. I also happened to have had one so I know exactly what was necessary to register it for the first time. By the way the magical powers of the Detran mafia have been declining with the agency’s computerization so you better get that DL now.

    Cheers

  • #59091

    Grimm
    Member

    Not sure if I told this story before, but an SP Jardins-dwelling friend told me that he was staring out of his window one day and saw a Ferrari driving past. Said Ferrari got to one of the huge drainage dips in the road and grounded. The owner slowly backed it out, but was in a one way road. He parked up, climbed out, got on his mobile phone and walked off

  • #59094

    Xavier
    Member

    Dunga, Brazil is a big country with a zillion kilometers of border adjacent to 9 other countries, you can’t see all of it from where you live unless you’ve got good binoculars.

    The subject came up a few months ago when I was looking for another car and was inquiring (with futility it turns out) about importing. The in-laws, who are fairly well connected, were talking about people they knew that had driven used cars over the border and mentioned that it was fairly common (a relative term I suppose). I didn’t ask which one but assumed it was in the northern regions closer to the US.

    You are right, on the surface there appears not to be a big advantage in bringing one in this way, however if it’s an exotic and the registration is “taken care of” it’s probably worthwhile. It’s all relative, you should know that.

    Computerization of records has probably slowed this down a bit but where there is a will there is a way. There are some incredibly ingenious people in Brazil when it comes to making easy money, a lot of them are also in jail.

    As for models not produced in Brazil, just stand on the corner of any street in Barra da Tijuca and count them….you’ll need more than your fingers and toes.

    Edit: Just been told 9 countries border Brazil, not 8

    Terry_239121,5421875

  • #59104

    mercy224
    Member

    Speaking of borders, I can’t remember where but there was a recent article about the monkey business with gasoline on the Venezuelan border. On the other side gas is ridiculously cheap (8 centavos per liter) being subsidized by the government.

    As the border is very porous, the Feds were having a hell of a time with people sneaking over from Brazil to fill-up.

    For our US readers 8 centavos/liter is around 14 cents/gallon. When the govt increased the price from 12 cents/gallon the poor majority rioted leaving 300 people dead.

  • #59199

    mercy224
    Member

    RNE CIE ID ???

    What is this again? It’s kind of hard to keep up with all the different documentation!!!

  • #59200

    Glenn, if you use the search function on the log-in page you should find everything you need to know, these topics have been discussed at length here.

    There is also a few good articles on the home page where you can use a search function.

  • #59207

    lenine
    Member

    -Swiss2007-11-29 00:12:50

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  • #59244

    bg1601k
    Member

    Is Guarana a stimulant? I didn’t realise that…
    I used to drink the diet stuff by the bucket load.
    Supposedly Tesco sell it here in the UK…

  • #59247

    JamesKetch
    Member

    a stimulant and an a aphrodisiac ……so they say

    There was some chocolate bar with guarana that was advertised in the UK and claimed to give you a boost – but i can~t recall the name

  • #59270

    Aaronk
    Member

    Chocolate bars eh?! Look anything like these?

  • #59407

    floripa
    Member

    -Swiss2007-11-29 00:13:21

  • #59452

    63mitmig
    Member

    [QUOTE=Russell]Is Guarana a stimulant? I didn’t realise that…

    I used to drink the diet stuff by the bucket load.

    Supposedly Tesco sell it here in the UK…
    [/QUOTE]

    You can buy Guarana (Antartica 5 pounds) in various places, as well as various Brasilian groceries in several shops in North London.

    51 Cachaça is 16 poundsa bottle. Import that and retire a millionaire.

    Salsa in London sell caipirinhas for 5.50pence a shot thats it something like 23 reais.

  • #60261

    Danbergst
    Member

    hi all,

    yes well my option is to send the car to zarate and then visit the swiss village in uruguay and then drive the car to buzios and stay there….jehhhhhhhhh…

    and then go from there…to drive in… is no problem and then for sure not that hard to register…mate said he can do that…

    or go to paraguay and they will make a nice citroen car club meeting have a frog friend there and come in up there…but a big detour for me….

    was very surprised of the shipping fee australia to zarate 5.200aus $ in a container to buenos aires, or then ro/ro 2.400aus$ to zarate…

    again better do your shopping…well at the end what ever it will cost..

    then the second car still not sure can i really get one car in as a immigrant??? very confusing and different stories i get….second car could not drive it that far to risky…. normally anywhere if you emigrate you can take a car free???

    very strange no one has connection with customs?? told my partner in buzios not good… but he was to chicken to try to bring a car and most are.. so then dont do it…where is the fund and the risk guys??

    well time is running out 2 month or less car will take 45 days..but go to home to switzerland first anyway…

    pierre

  • #64903

    demiurge
    Member

    What would be the rules on somebody driving into the country as a tourist then deciding to stay?
    http://www.jesseslife.com/ This guy drove all over South America in a Ford F350 from the US, including some time in Brazil. Would it be that hard for somebody like him to register the car/truck in Brazil. From what it sounds like, getting the vehicle in is the hard part.

  • #64935

    Flat82
    Member

    hi…

    well im all ready all papers done and car will leave on the 25th this month will take 45 days to arrive to zarate….

    then the fun will start… but have a firend that can register it in brasil

    not very hard.. the hadest thing is to et it to brasil without incident

    and thats what im doing and planing to get 20 more also one free when i move to brasil will get my ferari testarosse in as the free car but mo avocado will handle that one to be sure not to have a surprise….

    well ons i have it set up well guess just pay and dont think ther shopuld be a problem…

    will now more in 2 month

    pierre

  • #64941

    demiurge
    Member

    -Swiss2007-11-29 00:13:41

  • #64945

    demiurge
    Member

    Hallo swiss

    jo kein problem… wird scho alles guet go…. bi jo bim kollege in buzios iglade… und au bin paul in rio das ostras het doet schwizer restaurant het no es anders in nueva friburgo

    ha grad eins von mine hueser verkauf hie in australie.. binfroh…mues au no is buere hus in frankreich verkaufe isch alles zviel…

    isch alles guet organisiert und ha viel hilf in argentinie und ha au kolleg in paraguay falls es problem gibt in uruguay…

    jo klaaro….

    schoeni ostere gell

    ciao

    pierre

  • #65319

    zambany
    Member

    On the car issue and living in Fortaleza. I have seen at least 3 Ferrari’s here and one really nice Maseratti.
    Before moving to Brazil, I lived in San Diego. There, I had a gorgeous black Chevrolet Camaro SS, 380hp and all tricked out. It’s a numbered, limited edition vehicle. Fairly rare.
    The cost of bringing it to this country is prohibitive, and the roads, particularly here, are terrible for low sports cars, so I sold it.
    I put it down as part of the cost of living where I want to live with the person I want to be with!
    Andy

  • #65673

    I want to bring my car in badly!! But I’m selling it because the cost of importing it to Brasil is ridiculous.

    Maybe if I drive there….hmmm…

  • #65674

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=Larry LaRose]

    I want to bring my car in badly!! But I’m selling it because the cost of importing it to Brasil is ridiculous.

    Maybe if I drive there….hmmm…

    [/QUOTE]

    well one car you can get if you have perm residence?? do u have it??? perm. residence

    im getting a ferrari in like that but all true my solicitor to be all set since i have to lern the lingo first then be different…

    what car is it??

    also as a tourist you can brin one but then go out and come back so often not sure 3 or 6 month a germen does it but with a land rover…

    pierre

  • #65675

    No perm residency yet…but my wife is dual citizen Canada/Brasil. I’ll apply once I get there.

    It’s a 2002 BMW 540i 6-speed

  • #65677

    phsp23
    Member

    well worth trying to take it as moving goods… should be able in sydney i tryed with the brasilien consulate but they are useless… was not very impressed… will have a go in zuerich in a few weeks to find out more…

    since u are moving there and then will aply not sure how that would affect it… better check it with a decent solicitor in brasil… but then again most of them wouldent now also…

    i will only bring the main car in when its all done.. but will be up and down all the time and have to make a few containers from my house in france first then in a few year all the stuff from australia when i sell the second house in australia….

    no hurry for me first have to buy my motel and thats in a few month now getting there… well im from bern and we dont rush there like the bears… but now will be the best time to buy since off season

    pierre

    sending on now to start on the boat 45 days over us and panama….not very fast….

  • #65678

    CDGosnell
    Member

    http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/auto/international/importreq/TBR20 06.pdf

    Check out pages 14-15 & 16

    When we emigrated our lawyer (Brasilian) advised that yes, we could bring a vehicle IF we wanted the months of legal wrangeling, IF we wanted to run the risk of losing the vehicle in the system, IF we wanted to risk eventually getting the vehicle undamaged and IF we wanted to pay something in the region of 80% of the vehicles value to get it into the country and one day drive it legally on the Brasilian roads!!!

    Id be more than interested how YELLOO is importing a Ferrari with documentation showing how it is being done and at what cost?

    A retired Algerian Colonel in our town brought a 1 year old Audi TT into Salvador in a 20 foot container, all paperwork was stamped etc

    almost 2 years later, he managed to get the container and vehicle (which has NEVER left the customs warehouse) back to Algiers where he sold it!

    He states that to pay all bribes, legal fines, etc etc it would have cost double the vehicles value!!!

  • #65685

    masha
    Member

    well this is mor fore the usa and really different at the end of the day in brasil…. not much i can take out of this ito.doc.gov. thing but still a few interesding things like the size of engines for import and so…

    no one has the guts to do due to all those phantom stories.. im moving for good to brasil and will take one car that i own for a while

    as my personal good like the furniture and other stuff also two container full of parts are moving good and will be for my business whitch is more hobby anyway…

    of corse al lot are trying to cheat and bribes will not help much and they are just to happy to confiscate a car or so…

    pierre

  • #65686

    masha
    Member

    So you are not importing a vehicle into Brazil?

    My apologies, i thought you were importing your Ferrari.

    Our Brazilian lawyer says that you CAN NOT take a private vehicle as part of your household goods????

    And any other way will cost u twice the vehicles value without any guarantee you will ever get to drive it in Brazil??

    So many stories………….safer to just buy new in Brazil when u get there like we did…………..

  • #65687

    masha
    Member

    You keep telling us you are taking acar to Brazil, please show us all what documentation you are using etc……..

    I have a beautiful machine back home i will bring if you show us how………legally.

    I am a resident, as is my wife, our daughter is a Brazilian citizen, the vehicle can easily be changed into her name.

    Once again my lawyer says it is NOT possible………..please tell me he is wrong!

  • #65691

    printese
    Member

    [QUOTE=LUCIFERS HAMMER]

    So you are not importing a vehicle into Brazil?

    My apologies, i thought you were importing your Ferrari.

    Our Brazilian lawyer says that you CAN NOT take a private vehicle as part of your household goods????

    And any other way will cost u twice the vehicles value without any guarantee you will ever get to drive it in Brazil??

    So many stories………….safer to just buy new in Brazil when u get there like we did…………..

    [/QUOTE]

    hi there,

    yes i will import it when i bougth my motel and old factory to store all my stuff…

    all solicitors will tell you a different stories… i will deal direct with the governement and get it all sorted out no bribes needed..

    i dont think i would want to buy a testarossa in brasil when i own one for a few years in switzerland…

    well in a bit over a month i will be in buzios and drink beer for a while at my partner motel and set it all up from there…

    one car i will send it to argentinia and then just drive it till i have it all sorted out… not really worried..

    pierre

  • #65692

    printese
    Member

    [QUOTE=LUCIFERS HAMMER]

    You keep telling us you are taking acar to Brazil, please show us all what documentation you are using etc……..

    I have a beautiful machine back home i will bring if you show us how………legally.

    I am a resident, as is my wife, our daughter is a Brazilian citizen, the vehicle can easily be changed into her name.

    Once again my lawyer says it is NOT possible………..please tell me he is wrong!

    [/QUOTE]

    i will be taking a lot of cars to brasil but again im in no rush since im still in the land of prisonar and leaving the 29th of mai waiting to finelise the sale of my first home here…

    well if you are a resident then you shoudve dont it before when you moved??? there is a limit in time to do that… yes my one solicitor said to well hes said to complicated… not for me i have the time and will do it…

    same the sh*t i had to ge true to send my car out of australia was told i cant do it myself… well i showed them all wrong will not pay those ripp off agents and crooks when i can do it myself… her was the samne for the import impossible you have to get a co,pliance plate big deal i had to lern it and i did…

    i sont listen to all those horror stories… i have balls and i do it if anyone is in the way i take leagal actions and problems go away as simpl as that…

    my partner in buzios the same with all the stories dident dare to import his car…. not me…

    of corse thers a lot of jalous arround but i will be on tv with my cars in a few years was in france and switzerland and all major cars news magasine… i build my own cars… and got them fully registered all unhered of… well best to play stupid…. and thats not very hard…

    pierre

  • #65693

    demiurge
    Member

    Yes i agree,

    It is not very hard to play stupid, some people are very good at it.

    So you have a Ferrari and a lamborghini?

    Houses, Hotels etc, I am surprised you have the time to come on here and talk to us very poor people…………..

  • #65695

    Greenback
    Member

    [QUOTE=LUCIFERS HAMMER]

    Yes i agree,

    It is not very hard to play stupid, some people are very good at it.

    So you have a Ferrari and a lamborghini?

    Houses, Hotels etc, I am surprised you have the time to come on here and talk to us very poor people…………..

    [/QUOTE]

    never said i have a lamborghini???? i dont work anymore have plenty of time.. just selling all out here and then will go to europe and sell some stuff there

    before moving to buzios… a ferrari is not dear in switzerland they start at 60-80.000$, a porsche boxter 2-3 years 25-30.000$ and low km and very well keept…

    i dont have a hotel yet i will buy a little motel thats all they are so cheap in brasil.. still amaised…

    pierre

  • #65697

    floripa
    Member

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]Looks like another newbie has unwittingly struck up a conversation with yelloo! [/QUOTE]

    why dont you mind you own business

  • #65698

    JohnPeople
    Member

    What? Did someone say something? I keep hearing this noise but can’t work out what it is.

  • #65699

    phsp23
    Member

    que des connards ici… ca me dgoute…

  • #65700

    x32792
    Member

    Sorry Yelloo, my most sincere apologies, i thought you said you had owned a Lamborghini in Switzerland for a few years.

    So what cars do you have now and which models, if you need a warehouse in Brazil to house everything you must have loads, where are you thinking of living in Brazil, u must be very important if your talking direct to the government about your move and the importing of your stuff etc.

    Where are all your houses etc, Austria, France and Switzerland?

    Sounds to me like your a millionaire ……………

  • #65701

    x32792
    Member

    Hey, sounds to me like you will be putting together some private security when you arrive in Brazil, PM me if you need anything, this is my sort of business and i have a lot of contacts.

    A guy like you needs to be very careful.

  • #65704

    x32792
    Member

    Hi there!
    I have a personal friend here who, 7 years ago, brought an old…in fact antique car, into Fortaleza. It sat on the dock in the container for a year…then 2, then 3. He finally got it out after paying a lot of money, and then couldn’t get then to release the spare parts that came in the container as well. He drove the car for a while and when it needed parts, he fabricated them, but he ended up selling it eventually when it just got too much to handle.
    The law is…you can ship personl, household, used goods here one time, after you obtain your permenant visa. You have to do it within a year.
    After that…it is correct. The duties make the car cost double and they use the retail value of a new model for calculation.
    Andy

  • #65707

    emaikebes
    Member

    One of my contacts in Brasil imports heavy equipment from China, USA, Europe and Africa daily…and is very well connected at the port of Santos.

    When I asked him to help me import my Bimmer, he looked into it for me.

    Let’s do the math:

    2002 BMW 540i – Retail value in Canada…approx $25,000 USD (34,000CAN)

    “” &nbs p; “” Retail value in Brasil…approx 200.000 Reals

    2007 BMW 545 Retail value in Brasil…approx 700.000 Reals

    My cost and suffering for importing my $34,000 540i all in would be 240.000 Reais, according to the port authorities in Santos.

    I’m no rocket scientist, but I didn’t get where I am by making horrible decisions like importing used cars to Brasil. In fact, I’ll argue that any successful person would not do this as it would contradict logic on so many levels.

  • #65713

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]Looks like another newbie has unwittingly struck up a conversation with yelloo! [/QUOTE]

    Maybe LUCIFERS isn’t a newbie. Just a thought.

  • #65716

    demiurge
    Member

    [QUOTE=Larry LaRose]

    One of my contacts in Brasil imports heavy equipment from China, USA, Europe and Africa daily…and is very well connected at the port of Santos.

    When I asked him to help me import my Bimmer, he looked into it for me.

    Let’s do the math:

    2002 BMW 540i – Retail value in Canada…approx $25,000 USD (34,000CAN)

    “” &amp ;nbs p; “” Retail value in Brasil…approx 200.000 Reals

    2007 BMW 545 Retail value in Brasil…approx 700.000 Reals

    My cost and suffering for importing my $34,000 540i all in would be 240.000 Reais, according to the port authorities in Santos.

    I’m no rocket scientist, but I didn’t get where I am by making horrible decisions like importing used cars to Brasil. In fact, I’ll argue that any successful person would not do this as it would contradict logic on so many levels.

    [/QUOTE]

    I’ve been following the car thread like so many others. I own abrokerage here in Houston (wholesaling cars and selling cars on eBayfrom the dealer auctions). We already figured out what you did on thecar issue… sad. Your friend imports heavy equipmentfrom China, USA, Europe and Africa. Are those products new or used ora mix?
    We’ve been trying to import items we consider out of theirrealm of competition (protectionist issue), but are initially gettingthe “nope, we can produce those here or have a competitive item” carteblanche answer from shippers and attorneys. Has he had to get aroundany such issues or does he only ship raw material for factories andmachine shops?
    My family is in the construction equipment rentalbusiness and I’m curious to know if he’s found that you can indeed getthrough their bureaucracy in certain areas… just not in cars,obviously. I want to do business in Brazil, I just have had a hardtime finding which areas they have set a ‘yes, you can’ precedent andwhich ones are flat-out ‘we will tariff the @#$% out of that, don’tsend it here unless you want a fat tax bill’.
    Brasil says NO USED ITEMS, period… and specifically my attorney said many major (well-funded) companies have lobbied no end for getting cars in — no dice. Exceptions are made for items such as manufacturing equipment to set up a factory. Any other known exceptions?
    Anyone know of a market in which a used item, taxed as new, is worth importing? AND ALLOWED, obviously. Say, a $200,000 construction equipment item bought for $30,000 and refurbished, pay $200,000 bill and sell for $300,000 vs. $400,000 new with taxes? I’m just trying to think outside the protectionist box here…

  • #65719

    Greenback
    Member

    My friend owns a manufacturing/export company. He brings in equipment for his factories and also lots of raw material for the products. He recently went to China and secured a robotic machine for a factory and brought it in, no problem.

    But, that’s him and he’s been doing it for 30 years and actually maintains a business addy in Santos because he is there doing so much. He’s an extraordinary entrepeneur.

  • #65723

    oliver1234
    Member

    [QUOTE=deshizzawn]Brasil says NO USED ITEMS, period… [/QUOTE]

    Well, yes it says that various places on the Receita Federal’website. For example – The Brazilian customs regulation does not allow theimport of used motor vehicles and vessels. under: IV – Motor vehicles and vessels; under:Moving to Brazil;Here

    But look at this siteand you can see how it is legal toimport antique cars. And the governing Portaria MICT nº 370covers theimportation of used parts as well. A qualification here РI can’t say if theseregulations are all current. Of course it is usually impractical and/ortoo expensive to import a used car, it can be done. I personally haveregistered an imported vehicle in Brazilfor the first time and it was, at the time, neither expensive nor difficult. Iwas lucky I guess. Someone else, trying the same thing might conclude it isimpossible.

    Good Luck Motor Heads!!!

  • #65729

    xiaofo
    Member

    Anyone wanna buy a car?

  • #65730

    xiaofo
    Member
  • #65734

    floripa
    Member

    Can’t get ya link to work Larry, I assume its a link to your car advert.

  • #65736

    mercy224
    Member

    Oh Larry, Please send the link asap. If I buy your car though can you arrange shipping to Recife, Brazil within the week, two at the most?

  • #65744

    masha
    Member

    Um, er, yeah sure…I’d like to sell some swampland in Florida too.

  • #65746

    [QUOTE=Camzao]

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]Looks like another newbie has unwittingly struck up a conversation with yelloo! [/QUOTE]

    Maybe LUCIFERS isn’t a newbie. Just a thought.

    [/QUOTE]

    why not bring anything decent that this discussion is about??? no wonder real poeple dont use gringos anymore??? feel sorry for those that are here only to write c…p

    oh well since you havent got a clue you two no wonder…..

  • #65747

    Benjamin86
    Member

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, uh! what was that? hmmm, zzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • #65748

    Benjamin86
    Member

    [QUOTE=Larry LaRose]Um, er, yeah sure…I’d like to sell some swampland in Florida too.[/QUOTE]

    So this swampland is OK to build on right and I can have easy access to fishing rights? What is it per cubic metre? Is Florida near Brasil?

  • #65749

    Tam – I want to know who that guy is on your profile – looks like Otto von Bismarck to me but I’m sure that’s not him.

  • #65752

    phsp23
    Member

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]zzzzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, uh! what was that? hmmm, zzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz[/QUOTE]

    yes that was for you such a jerk??? useless

  • #65916

    healthybeeme
    Member

    [QUOTE=yelloo][QUOTE=Camzao]

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]Looks like another newbie has unwittingly struck up a conversation with yelloo! [/QUOTE]

    Maybe LUCIFERS isn’t a newbie. Just a thought.

    [/QUOTE]

    why not bring anything decent that this discussion is about??? no wonder real poeple dont use gringos anymore??? feel sorry for those that are here only to write c…p

    oh well since you havent got a clue you two no wonder…..

    [/QUOTE]

    ohh you big bloody baby! que uma chupeta?

  • #65921

    toastwise
    Member

    [QUOTE=Camzao][QUOTE=[QUOTE=Camzao]

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]Looks like another newbie has unwittingly struck up a conversation with yelloo! [/QUOTE]

    [/QUOTE]

    ohh you big bloody baby! que uma chupeta?

    [/QUOTE]

    sgliche arschloch ihr zwei???? nuet bessers ztue???? ihr 2 tuend mer leid????? f**k

  • #65926

    Benjamin86
    Member

    you’ve really hurt my feelings.

    I’m so upset, I don’t have a bloody clue what you are dribbling but I’m really upset, I think you need a babador to go with that chupeta.

  • #65936

    Igloo
    Member

    There are three Ferrarris in JP.

    Theres George Ferrari, the baker, Emilio the estate agent and Alfonso, nobody knows what he does.

  • #65938

    Brazilgirl
    Member

    he’s probably in Real Estate too

  • #65939

    AndrewPOA
    Member

    Or a Lawyer

  • #65943

    oakley
    Member

    Yello, did you ever write a book called “How to make friends and influence people” It was obviously a rollicking success

  • #81579

    mark3960
    Member

    Hi Pierre, Thanks for your posting saying “also as a tourist you can brin one but then go out and come back so often not sure 3 or 6 month a germen does it but with a land rover…” I am looking to move to Brazil and it is very difficult (almost impossible) to bring my car to Brazil but it was a lot of effort for me to get it in the first place and I would love to keep my cutie! Can you please elaborate a bit more on how exactly your German friend does this with his car? I understand that as long as the car is supposedly a “tourist car”, i.e. one have to drive it out of the country (Brazil) every 6 months (or 3 not sure on timescales) and drive it back than it should be fine? Thanks in advance! Angel

  • #81594

    Benjamin86
    Member

    What`s this with you people? Is it “everyone against Yellow”? I can sense a little “war” here. You gave me a laugh this morning though. If as a Newbe my opinon counts, I must say that I don`t like Yellow`s posts. I deplore the way he makes a massacre of the Queen`s English. But perhaps I am just being old fashion….

  • #82249

    Tenzin
    Member

    hi angel, well my car is here and no problem and i will bring the rest… but will not discuss it here to many loosers or only loosers……. well jimena why dont you write french germen or italien they way i write englisch…. thats why i havent used it here anymore…. well i got my pousada in buzios 100m beachfront and dont think to many on this forum can say the same and i did import my car…. i just did it without beeing able to write englisch and i dont really care… well angel you just have to do it and dont listen to most of those loosers here that dont have a clue…. my 2cv charleston has big sucess here they all want to buy it thers two meharis here in buzios…. took me 10min to get the car in the country….. then the receita federal… no worries there….all very nice and helpful….. don pedro

  • #82266

    Ramon
    Member

    I was going to say welcome to our Swiss friend but errrmm. Oh yeah what’s a looser? One that wears looser pants than others? Camzao2007-11-04 18:33:11

  • #82267

    Olumn
    Member

    1) looser A looser is a loser who can’t spell “loser”.

    Moron: “Hey man, you are teh looser!”
    Guy: “It’s spelled ‘loser’ you uneducated bastard.”

    2) looser Maybe the most common loserishmisspelling of loser. Source: (or is that sauce) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=looser

  • #82272

    [QUOTE=yelloo]hi angel, well my car is here and no problem and i will bring the rest… but will not discuss it here to many loosers or only loosers……. well jimena why dont you write french germen or italien they way i write englisch…. thats why i havent used it here anymore…. well i got my pousada in buzios 100m beachfront and dont think to many on this forum can say the same and i did import my car…. i just did it without beeing able to write englisch and i dont really care… well angel you just have to do it and dont listen to most of those loosers here that dont have a clue…. my 2cv charleston has big sucess here they all want to buy it thers two meharis here in buzios…. took me 10min to get the car in the country….. then the receita federal… no worries there….all very nice and helpful….. don pedro [/QUOTE] Anyway I am glad you got your car into Brazil hassle free yelloo. If you have a change of heart and would care to discuss with us plebs please do.

  • #82297

    Sian
    Member

    [QUOTE=yelloo]hi angel, well my car is here and no problem and i will bring the rest… Ahh so you brought it here in pieces but will not discuss it here to many loosers or only loosers…….so far you have posted 195 times so you must be getting something out of it or is it a case of “crumbs to the masses” well jimena why dont you write french germen or italien they way i write englisch…. leider mein deutch und mein italianish ist sehr (sehr) schlectthats why i havent used it here anymore…. well i got my pousada in buzios 100m beachfront and the global warming will soon whittle that down and dont think to many on this forum can say the same do I hear “na,na nee,na na” and i did import my car….I think you greatly underestimate the forum unless of course you are comparing it to your own social circle. They must look at you like a cod, but they would in Buzios. I once spent a week there, one Saturday ( I know Morecambe and Wise again) i just did it without beeing able to write englisch and i dont really care…obviously but we are a caring and understanding lot and not given to being too critical. well angel you just have to do it and dont listen to most of those loosers here that dont have a clue…. my 2cv charleston has big sucess here they all want to buy it thers two meharis here in buzios….having never heard of “type approval” in Buzios, I am sure they were queuing up took me 10min to get the car in the country.well it would in bits…. then the receita federal… no worries there.thats because they thought it was a perambulator and a giant sized clockwork train set from the 60s (yes, I still have mine)…all very nice and helpful…..except from you of course. No advice given to assist us other mere mortals. My Silver Ghost and ungenuine replica of “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang” languish on a Pinewood studio back lot, not to mention my 1929 Scott Squirell (I know I mentioned it) with original purple paintwork. Cuts quite a dash, dont you know. And your Ferrari, did you bring it in its original box (worth more) or did you give it away in a random act of unprecedented generosity (so bold)? don pedro Indulge me more, Mr Don Pedro Swiss Pierre, scatter your crumbs of knowledge to the waiting throng, Tamashin awaits, I am a waiting Tamashin, let me savour your delusions, I am spent, a spent Tamashin. [/QUOTE] tamashin2007-11-05 06:12:25

  • #82298

    Sian
    Member

    [QUOTE=tamashin]Yello, did you ever write a book called “How to make friends and influence people” It was obviously a rollicking success[/QUOTE] Still doing well I hear, is that another pousada to be built?

  • #82299

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=Jimena]What`s this with you people? Is it “everyone against Yellow”? I can sense a little “war” here. You gave me a laugh this morning though. If as a Newbe my opinon counts, I must say that I don`t like Yellow`s posts. I deplore the way he makes a massacre of the Queen`s English. But perhaps I am just being old fashion…. [/QUOTE] No war, Jimena, Yello and I enjoy a gentle joshing, thats how we get through the day. Yello has posted many times, he ribs others and the others rib him. At least I think they do. Do you think I have got it wrong after all this time? I hope not, I was hoping to put my 1989 Chevy Verey against his Deixa-me ver or Deixa vous or 2CV. His car doesnt have the original engine, it has a 6litre Dodge motor and does over 150miles an hour or did he swap his Ferrari motor over cant be bothered to go through the posts to find out but hopefully he will come back to us.

  • #82316

    Sian
    Member

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]Tam – I want to know who that guy is on your profile – looks like Otto von Bismarck to me but I’m sure that’s not him.[/QUOTE]
    Rear Admiral Sir Christopher Craddock

  • #82321

    phsp23
    Member

    He must be a relation!

  • #82366

    Greenback
    Member

    -Swiss2007-11-29 00:15:20

  • #82382

    x32792
    Member

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback]He must be a relation![/QUOTE]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Cradock
    maybe. who‘s tamashin then ?? a Chinese admiral ???

  • #82465

    Greenback
    Member

    FYI, I found this article about a company that specializes in importing special cars for customers, used and new, at the end of the article there are several importers and phone numbers for them…worth checking out!
    http://carsale.uol.com.br/opapoecarro/variedades/var_010206.shtml

    I found something really interesting from the receita fazenda website specifically about importing vehicles: http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/publico/Aduana/folder/ImportacaodeVeiculos.doc

    the importation of used vehicles, in a general sense, are not authorized by Decex, although, certain conditions are exempt from this rule, antique vehicles, as long as they are more than 30 years from the date of their fabrication, with the objective of being used for a cultural and collection purpose; those imported via donation, those obtained via inheritance from the exterior, those imported for diplomatic missions, consular repartitions and representations of international organizations.

    So find a long lost dead uncle or start a non prophet organization Tonguealso, since there is a european union colony just above brazil, couldn’t you register your car there (if you are european) and just “drive” it in brazil ?ToVoltando2007-11-07 16:48:40

  • #82696

    wtdknknm
    Member

    [QUOTE=yelloo]hi angel, well my car is here and no problem and i will bring the rest… but will not discuss it here …. took me 10min to get the car in the country….. then the receita federal… no worries there….all very nice and helpful….. [/QUOTE] Hi Don Pedro and thank you for responding to my posting! I am very encouraged that you have been successful in sorting your car and I hope you can share your expertise on this matter as I am very keen to keep my current car which is so pretty, girly and cute and I would really hate to sell it. My direct email address is olenab@hotmail.co.ukand I would be most grateful if you would kindly drop me a line to explain the process. Thanks! Angel

  • #82746

    Greenback
    Member

    -Swiss2007-11-29 00:15:43

  • #85370

    ysadkjh
    Member

    [QUOTE=Angel][QUOTE=yelloo]hi angel, well my car is here and no problem and i will bring the rest… but will not discuss it here …. took me 10min to get the car in the country….. then the receita federal… no worries there….all very nice and helpful….. [/QUOTE] Hi Don Pedro and thank you for responding to my posting! I am very encouraged that you have been successful in sorting your car and I hope you can share your expertise on this matter as I am very keen to keep my current car which is so pretty, girly and cute and I would really hate to sell it. My direct email address is olenab@hotmail.co.ukand I would be most grateful if you would kindly drop me a line to explain the process. Thanks! Angel Hi pleeeaaassee tell me how u got ur car into brazil…. I have dual nationality british and brazilian… I am moving back to brazil, I have a car in the US ” BMW M3 super charged ” which i would love to bring it over… I will take it apart if I have to hahaha….. Ps.. what the hell is with the punks that are giving you so much grief, they must be so pissed that they cant get laid not even in Brasil…! Please write back with some information,,,, luizsurf45@hotmail.comThank you, Luiz Pinheiro. [/QUOTE]

  • #87963

    AnnaO
    Member

    Very interesting information Chi-Fortaleza, The thing I am wondering is if it’s beneficial or not and what the restrictions are, for example, here in europe we have a car called the audi a2 made of all aluminum, haven’t seen it in brazil (get’s 22 km/l on gasoline and it’s a decent sized car). There are no hybrids as well, and no small diesel cars (I believe there is a law against using small diesel cars?). Any ideas of the restrictions? I also don’t see the smaller gasoline motors in a lot of cars that are offered in Brazil. What are all the beginnning to end costs involved in importing a car (including the import tax etc)? I think if we answer some of these questions of how benefitial it is to import a new car then there may be more interest.

  • #87964

    BrazilDream
    Member

    [QUOTE=ToVoltando]Very interesting information Chi-Fortaleza,
    [/QUOTE]
    Are you being ironic? I can’t seeanyinformation in that post. Merely saying they have hummers and Corvettes in Ceara is like me sayingwe have beaches and samba in Rio. He does not imply that he has involvement in the import, only that they have themthere (they exist in that location) – presumably brought in as new unregistered cars by legitimate dealers.nevergoingback2008-01-16 07:32:01

  • #87966

    [QUOTE=nevergoingback] [QUOTE=ToVoltando]Very interesting information Chi-Fortaleza,
    [/QUOTE]

    Are you being ironic? I can’t seeanyinformation in that post. Merely saying they have hummers and Corvettes in Ceara is like me saying we have beaches and samba in Rio. He does not imply that he has involvement in the import, only that they have them there (they exist in that location) – presumably brought in as new unregistered cars by legitimate dealers. [/QUOTE] Good point, I read it a second time and realized that they just “exist” in Fortaleza hehe. And it would have been very interesting information if it was him who imported them like I had thought! TongueThank you nevergoingback for pointing out the error of my ways LOL(I’ll let you decide the Irony of that one )

  • #92495

    Aaronk
    Member

    I’m told that the car must be 6 months old and you will be taxed at between 70 and 100 % if all the papers are done right. if not they can tax you up to 125% or just take the car. You don’t have the choice they do. Oh by the way I’m told they decide the value of the car regardless of what you paid. Also you may see the car in 6 months or so.

  • #118643

    Cici
    Member

    Hi guys, I’m looking to import my car (Dogde SX 2.0 Sport) to Brazil. Now my girlfriend is Brazilian and lives with me in Edmonton, Canada and her dad is a businessman in Belo Horizonte. I’m wondering if anyone knows if its possible to ship my car to brazil and what the impact of the new tariffs on cars would be. I’ve heard that you can’t import used cars but I’ve also heard it can be done, but that its expensive. This is a used car, its a 2003, but the thing is, it would be worth 10 times what its worth here in brazil. If anyone can point me in the right direction, that would be great. Thanks

  • #118646

    Gema
    Member

    I am not sure, but just maybe this guy can give you good information: OfflineAdriana(adriana@logtrade.com.br) This is his e mail.

  • #118647

    danpatel
    Member

    I am wondering if any one got any good info about bringing cars into Brasil? Seems lot of non information is floating around. And to be honest if the guy that has done it but does not want to publicly talk about it, I have to think it is illegal.

  • #118649

    afforcini
    Member

    To be honest, unless you follow what I detailed in this thread (or another importing a car thread) it’s illegal.
    Some of these things were: importing because you are an ambassador, donating a car to a non profit, inheriting a car etc.
    It can be done if “used” by “other means” consequently adding to brazils corruption….

  • #118650

    jerryd
    Member

    Clap

  • #118652

    Well, I am not into adding to Brasil already heavy duty corruption problems. I just as soon stay legal. jimmy1232009-04-29 15:36:47

  • #118655

    doctorlili
    Member

    I remember that, a long time ago, I placed a link to this law on the forum. It is indeed prohibited except under strict circumstances.In any case the import tax would be huge.

  • #118656

    nlode
    Member

    Ys, Thats what I am told

  • #118657

    musio
    Member

    [QUOTE=jimmy123]Ys, Thats what I am told[/QUOTE]
    AFIK, the value is calculated (60%) over the value of the car here and not there.

  • #118658

    Carmen
    Member

    Thanks for giving that contact jimmy. The thing is guys, Lula just changed the tax laws to reduce the tax by a huge amount to encourage more people in brazil to buy cars and consequently keep the factories open. I’m just wondering if this would have any impact, obviously its great for people looking to import large quantities of new vehicles, but I just one to sell mine, which isn’t new. Anyway, I understand why they have the law, but its a little stupid really.

  • #118659

    Here is an excerpt I translated earlier from this link:
    http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/publico/Aduana/folder/ImportacaodeVeiculos.doc

    the importationof used vehicles, in a general sense, are not authorized by Decex,although, certain conditions are exempt from this rule, antiquevehicles, as long as they are more than 30 years from the date of theirfabrication, with the objective of being used for a cultural andcollection purpose; those imported via donation, those obtained via inheritance from the exterior, those imported for diplomatic missions, consular repartitions and representations of international organizations.

  • #118692

    Sian
    Member

    For me I think this is a dead issue. I only was thinking of importing a new family car, like a Civic or a Hyundi. these cars are way overpriced here in Brasil. I am told the reason is they are not made in Brasil.

  • #118693

    Sian
    Member

    Hi there!
    The Honda Civic and Toyota cars ARE built either here or in Argentina. They WANT you to buy here and that’s why the import tax is so high.
    Andy

  • #118695

    phsp23
    Member

    I understand why they put high taxes on these cars. I don’t blame them. Customs told me that the Civic has a higher price tag here because it is not made here and the taxes are higher because they rather we buy cars made in Brasil.

  • #118716

    BeBe
    Member

    Yes but even if you buy a car in Brazil it is still very highly taxed!
    For example, the Mercedes C-class (some of them like the coupe and others) are manifactured in Minas Gerais but the price is still the same as other imported vehicles…why is that?
    I personally don’t see any difference in price between imported and non imported cars, maybe it has to do with if the manufacturer is a Brazilian one or not…(which there was only 1 time in history)
    EDIT: I researched this, for a car to be free of import tax when manufactured in Brazil, at least 60% of the parts must be produced in Brazil as well! The Mercedes clc doesn’t meet this requirement and therefore must be sold at the same price as an import…even though its made in Minas Gerais….
    ToVoltando2009-04-30 13:08:54

  • #118723

    doctorlili
    Member

    ToVoltando, That is the most interesting fact that I have heard to date.( 60% of the parts being produced in Brasil)

  • #118731

    Benjamin86
    Member

    The price for the Civic here in Fortaleza is about the same as for the Toyota Corolla! R$90,000 loaded. In the case of the Honda Civic, the flex model as I understand it is a special model only manufactured in Brazil. It has an extra fuel door on the passenger side ahead of the front door.

  • #118732

    Al Morrison
    Member

    The Hilux pickup is R$125,000 and the mitz pickup is R$117,000. I’m told the Chrysler 300 sold here is R$135,000 but it’s an import as far as I know.

  • #118806

    Anonymous

    Importing a car for nationalization can be quite difficult and costly. I have looked into the same in Colombia, Brazil, and Argentina. The easiest way to enjoy your car or motorcycle here in latin america is to drive it in with no tax implications, but only 6 months temporary permission is granted…..3 months with a 3 month extension. at the end of 6 months you would need to cross a border in order to recieve a new 6 months for your car or Moto. I just rode my motorcycle in from Uruguay, crossing the border at Chui. The girl and the staff are quite pleasant to deal with there in Chui.

  • #118811

    danpatel
    Member

    Tell us about the cost and proceedures that you found when you researched Brasil, as to what you are calling nationalization. I am finding it difficult to believe that the Brazilizn government would make it illegal for a Brazilian citizen to import a regular standard family car.

  • #119094

    mstevenson
    Member

    If you guys need any info help,e-mail me.I have been living around the world,but I’m returning to Brazil.I know the world and I know Brazil.

  • #119282

    mstevenson
    Member

    Hi there!
    All this is quite simple. The Brazilian govt is like any govt…they want you to buy here!!!!!
    That is the purpose of making it so expensive to bring vehicles in.
    Andy

  • #119288

    rockinglicks
    Member

    [QUOTE=aneill]Hi there!
    All this is quite simple. The Brazilian govt is like any govt…they want you to buy here!!!!!
    That is the purpose of making it so expensive to bring vehicles in.
    Andy
    [/QUOTE]
    And so expensive to buy locally…errr…umm…sounds like a lose lose situation!

  • #119290

    livelock
    Member

    aneill. This is true and we all know this. but where there i s a will there is away. I for one don’t expect to import a car for me for nothing. However, I don’t want to be screwed either. If it is not affordable so be it. but if there is a secret I want to know about it. thats all.

  • #119293

    musio
    Member

    Hi there!
    I think they’ve probably covered all the bases and there really is no secret…in particular no EASY secret.
    But buy used and not new.
    Andy

  • #119295

    NeksGoobe
    Member

    All true, but what if he manages to get a legal paper from official instancy(wich you can buy for a smaller amount than you have to pay on taxes here) back home that a car new/old is from a legacy ? In this case tax is not an issue is it ?

  • #119323

    nlode
    Member

    When I moved to Brazil a year ago, I wanted to bring my car with me as part of my personal possessions. The company I used to send over all my stuff told me that, no if‘s no but‘s, you cannot personally import your own car. It was dissapointing but there it is. It cannot be done. I got over it and stumped up nearly three times what I sold my car for in the UK to buy a similar age and model car here!

  • #119327

    Phillipe’
    Member

    No, You can bring your car over, you are just going to pay through the nose for the import taxes

  • #119334

    Lasse
    Member

    If you have a car worth 5000 quid it would be worth about 45000 reals here, the import tax on that would be nearly 30000 reals, twice what the car is worth. The figures aren‘t accurate just a sort of estimate based on my experience of car prices here. I could be completely wrong, of course!! delco2009-05-13 15:03:52

  • #119336

    Phillipe’
    Member

    Yes I am aware. they told me that they do not use the bill of sale or any other out of country value. They use their own and the tax could go as high as 125%

  • #119508

    NeksGoobe
    Member

    this helps.nelson240z2009-05-16 11:03:22

  • #119523

    ajmh
    Member

    nelson240Z. Does this mean you have plates from Arg. on the car or do you get Brasil plates at the border? What papers do you need at the border. What does it cost to register and insure in Argentina? How long a drive from B.A to Sao Paulo? Thanks

  • #119524

    ajmh
    Member

    nelson. One more thing. What does it cost to get into Brasil with your car?

  • #119526

    Irishguy.
    Member

    iinelson240z2009-05-17 18:11:15

  • #119540

    demiurge
    Member

    so you get the car in the country and pay no taxes? Does this work for Brazilians? I wonder of you can drive a US registered car if you have your perm. visa? After I think 90 days you need a Brazilian D.L. legally.

  • #119564

    fatstick77
    Member

    Thats what Im wondering, how to you maintain the car in Brazil, I mean there wouldnt be a guarantee that you can enter into the country with the car. Is it just a set 3 months, then to the boarder to extend 3 months again or crossing the boarder every 6 months?
    And how about insurance and the like?

  • #119576

    Jimmy,
    I just passed through 7 countries with florida plates. I carry an international driver’s license that must accompany my US DL. I carry insurance on everything I own but if something gets stolen in Brasil…..it’s gone….I doubt any ins. company would honor the claim. I picked up some temporary insurance in Colombia (SOAT). I would think you can find something similar in BR.

  • #119587

    NeksGoobe
    Member

    Dont you need a “Carnet de Passage en Aduane”in order to cross all those countries?The Carnet is usually need as a sort of a deposit bond to make sure you dont sell the car in the country you are allowed in temporarilly.If not,how did crossed the borders from the U.S until where you are now?Im planning on doing the same thing from Florida to Brasil driving a Lincoln Navigator,any info is highly appreciated.When you dont need the car anymore I reccomend you to sell it in Paraguay.

  • #119591

    Lasse
    Member

    Two more questions. Can you keep USA plates on the car more than 90 or 180 days? I know that if you have a perm. visa you can only use your USA D.L. for 90 days. If you are in Brasil with a 90 day visa you can get another 90 days extention but only once in a year. So how can going back over the border to bring the car back help you?

  • #119614

    dalmata
    Member

    I have heard of the Carnet…..but used for european vehicles. nelson240z2009-05-20 14:53:26

  • #119627

    Benjamin86
    Member

    Thank you Nelson for the info and yes,I have heard about that place between Panama and Colombia.Maybe travelling with some people together and only during the day might help.

  • #119948

    demiurge
    Member

    [QUOTE=Globalist]Dont you need a “Carnet de Passage en Aduane”in order to cross all those countries?The Carnet is usually need as a sort of a deposit bond to make sure you dont sell the car in the country you are allowed in temporarilly.If not,how did crossed the borders from the U.S until where you are now?Im planning on doing the same thing from Florida to Brasil driving a Lincoln Navigator,any info is highly appreciated.When you dont need the car anymore I reccomend you to sell it in Paraguay.[/QUOTE] It was a few years ago admittedly but I drove a tour bus on the Rio to Bogota route. We used a Fiat and a US International bus (school type). The vehicles were on New Zealand plates with Carnets. The Carnet was not needed in Brazil as they gave you a 2 month entry permit. On my last trip when going through Chile I was told that the tour company had gone into liquidation. I tried for a while to sell the bus in Paraguay, had some interest but no immediate cash so moved to Rio where I left the bus with a friend and flew home to UK (they do not seem to put vehicle details in the passport so no problem leaving). I told my friend to sell the bus and keep the money. He found a buyer for $5000 and sold it BUT the bus was stopped by police soon afterwards and the buyer had to pay another $5000 in customs duty. Last I heard the bus was still doing school runs in the Caxias district.

  • #119949

    aminalove
    Member

    [QUOTE=jimmy123]Two more questions. Can you keep USA plates on the car more than 90 or 180 days? I know that if you have a perm. visa you can only use your USA D.L. for 90 days. If you are in Brasil with a 90 day visa you can get another 90 days extention but only once in a year. So how can going back over the border to bring the car back help you?[/QUOTE]
    It can’t. after 180 days on a tourist visa you must leave the country for at least 180 days and obviously the car must go with you. Obviously, when you come back after 180 days, the car can come too.
    If you ‘re here on a permanent visa, you would be required to import the car. Not doing so will result in running the chance of having the car forfieted. It will also definately make you a target for assaults. If these plates where from argentina or paraguay, no-one would look twice, but US plates will attract quite some attention.

  • #119951

    shaunmw87
    Member

    He could get his car armered… and hire some bodyguards to open and close the door for him…LOL

  • #120001

    schaudha
    Member

    USED cars are NOT allowed entry. Check this out on Consulate websites. They must sign some paper for you to import and USED they will not do. A brand new car can be imported but you will sure pay for it. Take a bus…cheaper and safer.

  • #120022

    Crybeaddy
    Member

    USED cars CAN BE allowed entry…if you are in some type of consular service, inherited it, or are importing it for a non-profit organization.
    there are also greatly reduced taxes for new cars imported for disabled.

  • #120023

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=glmel]

    USED cars are NOT allowed entry. Check this out on Consulate websites. They must sign some paper for you to import and USED they will not do. A brand new car can be imported but you will sure pay for it. Take a bus…cheaper and safer.

    [/QUOTE]
    This was what I thought too. Apart from the exceptions Tovoltando mentioned, and if the car is over 30 years old and a collectors item, you can’t import a used car. A couple of years ago, a Brazilian returning to Brazil to live was allowed to bring in a car as part of their possessions, free of tax. Now they can’t. I could find no information about importing a car and paying tax on it. Maybe it’s possible, but no one in the whole of this long thread seems to have any hard evidence of having done it or how to do it. As for importing a new car, I would assume that the taxes you would pay would not give you a saving over buying a new car here. So why bother? Unless for something exotic, in which case money would be no object.

  • #120040

    youngboys
    Member

    [QUOTE=delco]I could find no information about importing a car and paying tax on it. Maybe it’s possible, but no one in the whole of this long thread seems to have any hard evidence of having done it or how to do it. [/QUOTE]
    http://www.carroantigo.com/portugues/conteudo/info_importacao_carro_antigo.htm

  • #120042

    [QUOTE=delco][QUOTE=glmel]

    USED cars are NOT allowed entry. Check this out on Consulate websites. They must sign some paper for you to import and USED they will not do. A brand new car can be imported but you will sure pay for it. Take a bus…cheaper and safer.

    [/QUOTE]
    This was what I thought too. Apart from the exceptions Tovoltando mentioned, and if the car is over 30 years old and a collectors item, you can’t import a used car. A couple of years ago, a Brazilian returning to Brazil to live was allowed to bring in a car as part of their possessions, free of tax. Now they can’t. I could find no information about importing a car and paying tax on it. Maybe it’s possible, but no one in the whole of this long thread seems to have any hard evidence of having done it or how to do it. As for importing a new car, I would assume that the taxes you would pay would not give you a saving over buying a new car here. So why bother? Unless for something exotic, in which case money would be no object.
    [/QUOTE]
    And when importing there is always plenty of beauracracy crap to deal with, worth paying in most cases what the savings is….
    Hereis the precise information on what is allowed and not when importing a car.
    ToVoltando2009-05-25 08:26:56

  • #120043

    youngboys
    Member

    I hope this info stay between us,a person immigrating to Brazil can take an used car etc.Who cannot bring cars, are brasilians returning to the country after living overseas.When they make these laws usually takes an expert to interpret it,even the enforcers are not aware of the exact content of the laws,usually even generalising everything.

    cosmixtar@hotmail.com

  • #120046

    Sampaman
    Member

    [QUOTE=Globalist]

    I hope this info stay between us,a person immigrating to Brazil can take an used car etc.Who cannot bring cars, are brasilians returning to the country after living overseas.When they make these laws usually takes an expert to interpret it,even the enforcers are not aware of the exact content of the laws,usually even generalising everything.

    cosmixtar@hotmail.com[/QUOTE]
    Whaaa?
    where is the source for this information and how much do you have to pay the lawyers or mob to get it in?

  • #120051

    fatstick77
    Member

    “I hope this stay between us” This is part of why no one seems to know is because so many people try to get around the law or make their own and on the other end is always someone willing to try to make a few bucks to take advanage of the situation, so the laws and rules become fuzzy for everyone.

  • #120057

    MarkSurv
    Member

    Exactly!!

  • #125076

    amirhuk
    Member

    Wow…I just spent over an hour and a half reading this thread. Whew..! Where in the laws does it distiguish the difference between being brazilian moving back to Brazil versa being an American coming to Brazil for a 1 – 3 year work assignment? I have (2) vehicles I want to try to bring with me..one being over 40 years old. Scott

  • #125097

    Rusty
    Member

    To be honest Scotty, unless you fall into the categories posted at the top of this page (under my post), it doesn’t matter whether you are a Brazilian moving back, an expat etc.
    Anyone who has gotten a used car in that is not considered a classic (or doesn’t follow under the categories mentioned above), has payed someone off or the like.
    You have a couple of options: You can import a classic car being void of the high import tax (but I believe you need to pay the other taxes, such as state taxes etc), being able to drive it a limited amount per year (on paper, odometers can always be rolled right?). Or you can take a foreign car in for 3 months, being able to be extended to 3 more months. After the 6 months the car would need to be driven out of the country in to a neighboring country and then back in again receiving 3 months more permission extendable by 3 months again.

  • #125100

    rob1234
    Member

    Ok..so the classic I want to bring in is a 1968 Convertible Corvette. Sounds like that IS an option. The other is a MB E55 AMG…can I ship it in and then follow the 3/6 months rules? And if so, any idea how far a drive it is to the closest “other” country?

  • #125108

    qxglyvzbzr
    Member

    Hello, in any case my attorney said that you must be an official resident and can only bring/import a car to Brazil if it is brand new or older than 30 years.

  • #125115

    Anonymous

    So the only way to get my Mercedes in is by driving it in? Wonder if I can have it shipped to a neighboring country..pick up…and drive to Sao Paulo? But the vette would be a go?

  • #125118

    phsp23
    Member

    Brazilian Gring: Anyone who is there from 1 year on is considered a permanent resident.
    Scotty: The Corvette can be imported legally but needs to be as original as possible, and you will still pay a deal of taxes for it but not near as much as a new car.
    The Mercedes can be shipped to any port city outside Brazil such as Buenos Aires, Montevideo etc and be driven in but do remember that you WILL be at the mercy of the border agents and there is no guarantee that it will be let in, so a backup plan may be in order (I havent heard of problems, do a forum search and you can see others who have done it, maybe a good idea to pm them).

  • #125152

    Sian
    Member

    Gosh I read so much nothing on here that I inquired to bring a 1999 ford in the country and I was told it was not a problem, but that I would have to pay the taxes on the fair value of the car in Brasil, not the value in the USA It is a Tarus. They gave me a value 0f R$50,000,00. They told me they would look at the taxes when the car was here. It may be as high as 125%. When my Brasilian wife and I came to Brasil to live 3 years ago I inquired about my car as household effects and was told aboslutly no. Driving across the boarder is only a temperary situation as it is only good for 90 days, I am told, as a visitor. With a permanent visa you may not be able to do this,without paying the taxes. Nobody seems to really know the law if there are any real laws. Paying under the table will cost you,probably, every year. So be careful

  • #137191

    Anonymous

    We imported a second hand vehicle on a temporary permit eight years ago. It has been sitting unused for all that time. I know please don`t tell us what incredible idiots we are! Does anyone have any contacts to help us legalise it, or as they say filter it into the system. We don`t have any family within detran (unfortunately). But we would be eternally grateful for any help.

  • #137214

    Anonymous

    sell the car to someone equiped to deal with it …

  • #137285

    lenine
    Member

    [QUOTE=scotty447]Wow…I just spent over an hour and a half reading this thread. Whew..! Where in the laws does it distiguish the difference between being brazilian moving back to Brazil versa being an American coming to Brazil for a 1 – 3 year work assignment? I have (2) vehicles I want to try to bring with me..one being over 40 years old.Scott[/QUOTE]
    You can bring the car that’s over 40 years old. There is a special regulation for this.

  • #137287

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Brazilian Gring]Hello, in any case my attorney said that you must be an official resident and can only bring/import a car to Brazil if it is brand new or older than 30 years.[/QUOTE]
    With one exception, if you inherited the car. In that case you must prove that the car belonged to the deceased before he died. All taxes must be payed however.

  • #137300

    musio
    Member

    This is my understanding. A 30 year old car is no real problem to get here and pay a tax. I new or newer car is a problem. The tax will be a min. of 115% of the value and the Brasilians will set the value. It makes little differents what you have for papers about the value. They will decide the value when it arrives. There are other taxes besides the import tax. And dont try to sell the car for a long time. Be prepared to wait a few months for your car to clear customs and be sure to use Brasilian companies that do importing of cars. It is important to have a company that has a good reputation with the Brasilian Customs.

  • #137302

    musio
    Member

    I have searched and searched a way to bring a used car into Brazil that is just a couple of years old, and I don’t see anyway to do it. Even if you ship a new one over-which is permitted, by the time you pay the 115% tax, fees, etc-and wait three or four months plus all the other paperwork-the 20% you MIGHT save is just not worth it.

    The other thing to consider is tha many Brazilian dealerships and companies are NOT obligated to honor the warranty of the car. While some cases have been taken to court and there seems to be a push to make companies honor warranties, its not happening yet. So you might ship a Toyota, Chevy, or some other car to Brazil, go through all the hassle and expense, and still not have the warranty to fix it if something goes wrong. I just don’t see the advantages…

  • #137303

    musio
    Member

    Moving soon you are exactly right. It simply does not seem to be worth it. Plus today with the declining dollar I don`t see a 20% savings. I was looking at it a few months ago when auto prices were down in the USA and I did not see any real advantage and I was also concerned with the warrenty.

  • #137306

    musio
    Member

    There is even an other issue to consider. Cars in Brazil are adapted to Brazilian (horrible) road conditions, so you might need to adapt the shock absorbers. The other problem relates to the fact that the fuel sold in brazil is 20/80 alcohol/gasoline. You might need to adapt the engine as the alcolol increases the octane level in the gas.

  • #137307

    Good point, sven I don’t even see why anyone would consider it with all things considered… even if you could!! You also want to ‘blend in’ if you are a gringo…sticker on car saying it was bought at local place, etc.

  • #137328

    sphiatt
    Member

    What would happen if you were to say, have an ‘expedition’ to South America from the US and drove a car all the way down, passing through Brazil. But it took you 20 years to pass through Brazil. jubilee69362009-12-22 02:01:51

  • #137333

    demiurge
    Member

    The only person I have seen advise on shipping a car is the lawyer who trolled this (before getting kicked off) and other expat sites…. the article is more a form of advertising IMO: http://www.gringoes.com/articles.asp?ID_Noticia=2339I did look at importing a car – you can get a 5yr old Jaguar XJ6 in the UK for around ¬£6000 (16000BRL!) but as well as the shipping headache issues like right-hand drive, susceptbilty to theft, etc I think giving it a miss was the best option. Bubbles2009-12-22 07:10:24

  • #137336

    sphiatt
    Member

    Would that be the same lawyer whose OAB number is impossible to find ?

  • #137338

    Sian
    Member

    [QUOTE=sven]Would that be the same lawyer whose OAB number is impossible to find ? [/QUOTE] No comment!

  • #137344

    markcp55
    Member

    My god people, why keep on kicking a dead horse. The fact is that Brasil does not want you to bring cars into the country. So they make it hard and expensive and complicated. It will take 6 months or more to get a car here. If you drive in,it is a 90 day stay and than u can not register the car. Just like the car that has been here for years, just sitting around cause it can not be used here. The next step for the Brasilians is to make you alter the car so that it becomes a flex. that is on the way. Trust the fact that as you all know it is complicated for a reason. Why fight a battle that you can not win. EGOs are not worth it. Never mind finding parts. I have a friend that brought cars in many years ago and he is always looking for Brazilians returning to Brasil to bring parts in there household goods

  • #137930

    demiurge
    Member

    Cars for import to Brazil must either be new not previously titled orregistered, or more than 30 years old and of collector quality. Brazilreserves the right to inspect the vehicle for collector status prior toshipping.

    Shipping a car that is simply old will not qualify.

    Similarly,finding a collectible car that is almost junk and shipping it to Brazilfor Restoration at lesser cost will not qualify.

    The car must be of collector quality, though no necessarily perfect.

    Themost popular are early Mustangs, followed by Camaros andFirebirds/TransAms, then to older and unique Cadillacs, Lincolns, etc.

    Importduties are 80% of the combined cost of the car, shipping and insuredvalue. If you are going to do this, ship roll-on/roll-off rather thancontainer to keep shipping costs down, insure privately rather thanthrough the shipper so the cost is not exposed, and get all thedocumentation you can on the value of the car. A bill of sale showingthat you paid $10, 000 for a car that they think is worth $20, 000 willresult in customs spending hours on the internet researching the valueof the car and you’ll wind up paying on that value.

    In short, it’s not worth it.

    I’ve tried, and looked it up so I can bring in my 2007 Corvette for…. first impression purposes lol

    Illuminatus872010-01-03 16:34:18

  • #153379

    odusia
    Member

    zombiespamattorneys!!
    yesterday in our shop we had an rather rare car come in, and we discussed how realistic it would be for us to buy it and EXPORT it to the US, where a collector we know is interested. Other side of the coin. We don’t have the time or the cash to invest in the process right now but i thought of this thread when we were talking…

  • #155984

    Buib
    Member

    I am Brazilian and my husband is American. We are moving to Brazil. Brand new cars you can take to Brazil but this is taken as a regular import, you will pay so much taxes that it is easier to buy a car when you get there. Used cars, no, you can’t not take your used car to Brazil even if you can afford pay the taxes. So they tie our hands anyway. The cars in Brazil are absolutely outrageous so consider the possibility to buy a used one. I am very sorry I can not take my baby PT Cruiser. I am Brazilian and I can tell you how I despise the system of importation in Brazil. On the other hand, my husband found out antique cars in Brazil that worth a fortune here. He found a lot of used cars in the Brazilian ads that are rare to find in the US. Boats, kayak, all kind of “embarcacao” can not take to Brazil without paying taxes. My husband is miserable because of this, he can not take his boat. He intended to open a small business for sport fishing but no way. The boats in Brazil are outrageous. It is sad, but it is true. I myself have researched all sites of the government incluindo Receita Federal (the dept of government that take care of import/export), they answered me through my email. I will post more info about.

  • #156043

    Sian
    Member

    [QUOTE=paulistalady]On the other hand, my husband found out antique cars in Brazil that worth a fortune here. He found a lot of used cars in the Brazilian ads that are rare to find in the US.[/QUOTE]
    Yes, the old Beetles which are 10 a penny in Brazil as considered classics in the UK….
    Bubbles2010-10-31 16:11:50

  • #156113

    Daisy
    Member

    my husband found in this site http://veiculos.mercadolivre.com.br/

    Mercado livre means Free Market (NOT FLEA MARKET LOL) is a site similar to EBay but I don’t trust to do a business through internet in Brazil, it needs to be very safe for me to shop in internet (except one site for medications FarmaDelivery, this is good, very good. I got some medications not made in the US and paid by debit card, they sent to my a family in Brazil, very fast and from there my family mailed the medications to me (you need to have the copy of doctors prescription).

  • #156117

    honeylicker
    Member

    PaulistaLady: Check out the sites below. Other than the first link, the others arejust focused on south Brasil. I purchased two vehicles via webmotors afew years ago, from private owners, both in SP (skip the dealer listings). Still very happy withthem!
    Web Motors

    Meu Carro Novo

    Só Carrão
    Not sure where you’ll be moving to (SP?), but if you can’t find anything there, Curitiba has the bestreputation in all of Brasil, for taking care of their cars. Therefore, also a good place to purchase a semi-novovehicle, which is your best deal, rather than a zero km model. Forum member 3casas can probably second this about cars from Ctba….

  • #156122

    marydm22
    Member

    thanks Floripa, I really appreciate. We are moving to Sampa (SP) but we will check the sites you’ve informed anyway. I wish my husband register in this site, he could be motivated a little bit. He is frustrated with so many bureaucracy. I told him this is just the beginning LOL. When we set up everything will be just fine. Have you get your Brazilian driver’s license? If so, could you please tell us your experience. As far as I know in Brazil they don’t have a written test in English. My husband doesn’t speak Portuguese. I am Brazilian but my Brazilian license is expired so I need to do everything again. I also got some info from Detran(Traffic Dept) and they told me I could exchange my American DL but I need to go to Rio to do thatAngrythat’s ridiculous. I will have to renew my paulista DL in SP. thanks again.

  • #156129

    stepdress3v
    Member

    PL: That is indeed ridiculous you were informed you have to go to Rio. You just go to DETRAN there in Sampa. First, make sure your US license is not about to expire. If so, renew it before you leave. Next, take your US license to a tradutor juramentado, and have it translated. Some forum members want to argue with me about the benefits of having one’s US birth certificate translated for other things, but if you want to convert your US license for a BR license, without having to attend driving school, you’ll need your US DL translated into portuguese. I know you mentioned you do translations, but unless you have been certified as a juramentado translator, your personal translation won’t cut it.
    Once you have that done, go to DETRAN there in Sampa. They will put their seal of approval on that translation, and tell you to carry that and your US license, when driving, for the next six months. The stamp they put on the translation will have an expiration date. Just prior to that date (or even shortly thereafter), return to DETRAN to complete the process. You’ll do a silly psychological exam drawing lines on a piece or paper (I assume to prove you’d be steady behind a wheel), and also have a physical. The physical is nothing more than to prove you have a pulse. It took me half a day to do all this in Floripa, so in SP I’m guessing you should devote an entire day.
    Regarding another post you entered… the info you plan to compile about moving a container would be great! I for one would like more info about the right to send another container three years after the initial one arrived. Muitissimo obrigado!

  • #156154

    Dakotaee
    Member

    i am not sure i’d agree about Ctba drivers taking better care of their cars. we have a lot of caipiras here who arrive at the shop with pneus carecas, no oil in the engine, brake pads worn down beyond the alert wires, and say “but i paid 20 mil for this car, i shouldn’t have to pay another penny.” seriously, we take pictures sometimes of the crazy things people bring in. but you do have a point- at least SOME people understand the importance of maintenance.
    just saying, we bought both of our cars in SP and drove them down here- the prices in SP capital are the best, if you know what you’re looking for and where to buy.
    PL- my husband and i both got our DL’s “exchanged” here. no problems. if you are getting silly answers like this you need to either find another detran or another despachante. just like the whole poupatempo situation- try another place.

  • #156167

    wecare
    Member

    I found getting a Brazilian license very easy. Just show up with your translated license, and proof of addy, and they’ll have it sent to the office within 1-2 weeks.

  • #156168

    Sian
    Member

    One other thing…getting the car inspected for insurance is a bit frustrating. Detran in Sampa is crazy. It’s at a parking lot of a mall and has huge line-ups. After waiting an hour, inspectors told me to go get an etching on the engine block, and come back. Funnily, they had an etcher and photographer on the other side of the parking lot that was happy to take my money for the service.
    I went back to the Detran line-up and the inspector didn’t even look under the hood. Just glanced at the new picture of the new serial number, and approved me.
    The whole process was about 5 hours. And I remember it was an especially hot day, around 36 degrees. whew!

  • #156175

    Duke
    Member

    Hi Floripa, thanks a lot. I know where there is a tradutor juramentado in S.Paulo (certified translator), I will do exactly like you said. On the other hand I will complain to Ouvidoria of Detran about this misinformation copying and pasting the ridiculous info they gave to me. I can tell you that everytime I send email to Ouvidoria they really do something. Palhacada!!! Thanks God I have just renew my DL here in Florida.

    about the compilation: I am working in it to translate exactly what they told me (the information came from Ouvidoria of Receita Federal, it should deserve some little credit).

  • #156176

    Duke
    Member

    Thanks a lot Floripa I ‘ve have just post an answer for you right down. Your information is very valuable. My husband has a problem with his driver’s license in the USA, the da..Tennessee State still have in their computer a restriction in his DL back 30 years ago. He moved to Michigan and he got his DL again recently. When we move to Florida, they asked letters from Michigan and Tennessee to release his DL. Both States refused to give such letters so he still trying to get his DL, everything because a damn cervejinha.

    If someone has the same situation as my husband , I would like to have information if they get their Brazilian driver’s licence and what kind of “harrassment” they had to go through, thanks. brigadao Florida

  • #156177

    Duke
    Member

    LarryRose, my poor brother was a worse case than yours. My brother had to do more than 5 trips to Detran and other depts to have his plates done. He took pictures, get all documents and every morning he took his sacola de documentos (bag of papers) took his moto to deal with detran, finally he got everything done. He didn’t want to pay a despachante to do it.

  • #156179

    Jerry38
    Member

    Hi 3Casas, Floripa gave me all information how to get a DL in S.Paulo. I will do it as soon as I get in S.Paulo. About the silly answer, I am writting again to see if I they will return with same misinformation, if so I will contact the Ouvidoria to complain. Ouvidoria is a sub-dept inside each government dept and their job is listen people complainings about lack of informartion or wrong information or if you are mistreat in their office, etc. If your complaining is fair and right, they take an attitude with the staff that is doing this. Ouvidoria always attended my complainings and I did a lot. I send to Ouvidoria of Post Office, Ouvidoria Receita Federal, Ouvidoria of Social Security. They always come up with the right information and apologize. Believe or not, at least in my case it works as I get mad with such funcionario publico (public staffing). Ouvidoria comes from the words OUVIR that means in English LISTEN, HEAR, HEARING. They are paid to do that. about to buy a car: S.Paulo you get better prices because the city is huge and therefore the competition is bigger. But if you buy a car in one State to drive to other consider the amount you gonna spend in the road, the gas, etc. obrigada pelo apoio (thanks for your support)

  • #156180

    Jerry38
    Member

    Many people tell me I am wasting my time with Ouvidoria, but I am not. Everything I complain to improve the job of this people and give them a lesson. My Mom was disrespected in the Post Office, I was here in the US and I taquei (sent) an email to Ouvidoria. They sent a circular (a paper warning people that disrespect the “customers” mainly old people). MY Mom had to come back to the same Post Office and they treated her in a red carpet :-))))) I don’t give up easily to have they do their job.

  • #156183

    Pharmaco
    Member

    Answer from Ministerio da Fazenda Ouvidoria sent to my email in October 2010.

    To answer my questions about the procedures to move to Brasil, they had to consult Alfandega (Customs) of SantosPortand Alfandega(Customs) of Int’lAirportin Brasilia.

    This is the summary what they said. Eu vendo o peixe conforme comprei or rather I am just informing what they told me nothing more nothing less.:

    1)What can you bring in your container from your country when you move to BrazilWITH NO payment of import taxes:

    a) furniture

    b) appliances

    c) domestic personal items

    d) tools, machines, apparatus and items that are compatible to use in your profession, art, job. You must have some proof that you will use such items in your profession, in your job, in your work, your work art.

    (For example, my husband works in construction, he will bring his American license piece of paper as a proof he will use his tools).

    e) collection of guitars and collection of work art can be considered as outros bens de uso domestico, other items of domestic use.

    Since such items are not for commercial purpose, yes, you can bring without paying taxes. The quantity of each item can NOT configure import or export. In other words, the inspector in the Customs (fiscal da Receita) decides using his common sense if they configure importation or not. (For this reason it is important that you have a good despachante in the local to hang in there with the fiscal to open the boxes). The inspector (fiscal) will decide if your items are or are NOT included in the concept of bagagem (luggage).

    What you can NOT bring to Brazil:

    1) Vehicles and its spare parts. They say, this is not a luggage.

    2) Used vehicle, they do NOT issue any documentation for used vehicles, there is no import license for used vehicles, it does NOT exist such thing. This is the words they used to define. (So if you bring your used vehicle they might confiscate. What happen with the car? I don’t know but I assume that goes to auction later, I am just guessing).

    My conclusion: You can bring your car since a brand new car (novo em folha, carro zero km) but YOU WILL PAY THE TAXES because it is not a luggage and therefore it is a REGULAR IMPORTATION.

    USED CARS, there is no such thing as import a used car ( I will talk later about antique cars).

    This is what they answered me. I will continue this subject based on information of despachantes (broker), Transportation Company. You guys feel free to correct any misinformation or mistake. Some of the items above I will complete with more information. Maybe we can help one each other, as much as info we get, as much as better to prevent surprises in the Port or Airport.

    Someone here post a Receita Federal link in ENGLISH< I didn’t know they had a site in English, great tip.

    Thanks for reading

  • #156214

    Pharmaco
    Member

    [QUOTE=paulistalady]But if you buy a car in one State to drive to other consider the amount you gonna spend in the road, the gas, etc.[/QUOTE]
    not sure about how much the pedagios cost you b/t SP and Ubatuba, but for me to bring each of my cars from SP/SP to Curitiba we spent $100-150 max including fuel and whatever we spent on the road [bananas, lots of bananas]. Compare this with a price difference of thousands of reais buying in SP vs Curitiba (we probably saved $4000). The second car I got for free, so it was an even better deal. Shop around.
    3casas2010-11-03 08:41:10

  • #156402

    Rusty
    Member

    Things have changed recently about getting drivers licenses. Now everyone must take a test. This is after your medical and evaluation. The test will be in Portuguese so you must read and write Portuguese.

  • #156403

    A person that has applied for permanent residence can get a temp license for 6 months and can be renewed as long as you dont have your RNE number. Once you get that number you must get the permanent license or stop driving. As far as translating your other country license to portuguese it makes good sense as the police are not required to read any language except poruguese.

  • #156434

    bocokzoy
    Member

    QUOTEA person that has applied for permanent residence can get a temp license for 6 months and can be renewed as long as you dont have your RNE number. Once you get that number you must get the permanent license or stop driving. As far as translating your other country license to portuguese it makes good sense as the police are not required to read any language except poruguese UNQUOTE My husband has get the permanent visa, but to complicate further more, he doesn’t have his American DL and doesn’t speak or write Portuguese. Ta danado!!!. The written test to get a driver’s licence, I remember, it is test of multiple answer, usually the longest is the correct one. There are a lot of traffic signal to put in heart too. I don’t know if they changed the way. I get research in the site of detran. You said “the police is not required to read any language except Portuguese”, the case is they don’t have a test in English or Spanish. thanks Jimmy

  • #156435

    Sian
    Member

    the cost of pedagio in S.Paulo is high. everything in Brazil is expensive now thanks to our nice governmentDeadThe car will be the last thing I need to worry about. First we need to overcome the moving. thanks anyway for the tip

  • #156441

    p.lady – Of course the test is in Portuguese. It is probably like in my state where you take it on a computer and you can find a simulation of the test on line at the Detran (for your state) website.
    Thanks for the tip on the longest answer being the correct one.
    Best Luck!!!

  • #156443

    tfa1957
    Member

    [. about to buy a car: S.Paulo you get better prices because the city is huge and therefore the competition is bigger. But if you buy a car in one State to drive to other consider the amount you gonna spend in the road, the gas, etc. obrigada pelo apoio (thanks for your support) [/QUOTE] So you saved about 4000 reais buying a car in SP. What did you buy? How much did you pay? I’m in Salvador area and I guess a Fiat Uno Mille is not much chaper in SP. Thanks, GBOF

  • #156449

    Rusty
    Member

    GBOF, check out this website to compare prices of your Fiat: Webmotors
    I can attest to what 3casas said. I did similar. On average, the cars in SP were 10-15% less than Floripa (a 20% savings is certainly feasible). Some models offered in SP, are not even readily available in SC. Yet aside from the price, the conditionof the vehicles in SP, both cosmetically and mechanically, were far superior to what I’d been looking at. Semi-novo cars in Floripa are crap, full of rust, badly maintained. There are exceptions, but they are few, and costly.
    I’ve already mentioned in this thread that in Floripa, the Curitibanos have an esteemed reputation for maintaining their cars (people in Joinville too). While close to Floripa (Ctba +/- 3 hours drive), not really practical to drive often to check out a car for sale.
    I’d been perusing the webmotors site for a few months, and noticed the models and prices were much better in SP. Also, there seemed to be more vehicles for sale by the actual owner, and not a used car dealer. I needed to make a trip to SP anyway, so arranged to stay a few extra days to shop around. This is the best part of buying a car in SP (at least it was for me). Rather than having to drive here and there to look at a car, the seller comes to you! Because of security concerns in SP, the sellers want to meet you in a very public location, such as a shopping mall. Once you’ve rendezvoused , say in front of a Starbucks, and they have sized you up, convinced you’re not a kidnapper or car thief, they take you to where their vehicle is parked, and you go for a test drive.
    I was able to arrange to see 3-4 cars per day using this method. I had a good book to keep me entertained between test drives. I met people at Morumbi Shopping, and also Paulista Shopping. At the end of the story, closed deals on two vehicles, both 4×4’s. Although another story, which I can supply details to later, the process to transfer the car documents to another state was quite straightforward and swift. I had prepared myself for a true bureaucratic nightmare, but it was a very smooth process.
    The only downside for you perhaps, being in SSA, would be the distance to return with your purchase. When all was said and done, our convoy departed SP at 0600hs on a Sunday (I’d NEVER had seen the streets of SP so empty!), and we crossed the Hercílio Luz bridge in Floripa at approx. 15hs, so a total of nine hours travel time (which included stopping for lunch).
    PS – For anyone who might try to buy a car in SP, one thing to be aware of is many vehicles are blindado (the windows are bullet-proof glass). This adds significantly to the weight of the vehicle, hence will affect your gas mileage. Unless where you live, this option would be appealing, skip the blindadomodels.
    Gringo.Floripa2010-11-06 09:22:12

  • #156450

    Sian
    Member

    Last week, I picked up a little two door 2003 Fiat Palio Fire, with only 19,000 k, for 13,000. It was truely driven by a little old lady in Rio infrequently. Wanted a four door but couldn’t pass this up…so will get a truck in about 6 months now. (not repainted, one scratch on the bumper, inside is almost new) Bargains are there. Just take your time. MovingSoon2010-11-06 08:55:12

  • #156453

    jorgecafe24
    Member

    ^^ can’t agree more.
    we got a 2006 Uno Mille with 6000k on the odometer, a reposession that was in mint condition, for $12000. (this was in 2007, the car was practically cherry).
    We didn’t meet individual buyers, we went to the “auto shopping” type places, i think we went to one in Aricanduva and one in Tatuape. We did bring lots of printouts from webmotors of comparable models to know if we were paying more or less.
    i still can’t imagine that the pedagios between SP and Ubatuba cost more than $100R. Also the cars for sale in Ubatuba might have the maresia issues like you have in Floripa, another thing.
    If you do buy a car in the town in which you live, see if you can’t bring it by your mechanic and have it checked out. We charge a flat rate, usually under $50R, to look at a car and tell you if it’s going to be a lemon or an acceptable choice.
    3casas2010-11-06 09:54:22

  • #156454

    gn0s1s
    Member

    [QUOTE=3casas]…bring it by your mechanic and have it checked out. We charge a flat rate, usually under $50R, to look at a car and tell you if it’s going to be a lemon or an acceptable choice.[/QUOTE]
    This is something I neglected to mention. I already had certain makes/models I was interested in, so looked up the locations of the authorized dealers that would be nearby. Prior to meeting the individual sellers and going for a test drive, I had called several dealers in advance, and requested to speak to the manager of the service dept; made note of the name, and told them briefly what I was in the process of doing. This way, when you do go by, ask for them personally, they are more willing to make some time for you, even if it’s just a quick look over.
    I never mentioned I was going to transfer the vehicle out of state, so I assume they wanted to give me reliable info, in the hopes that I would return for maintenance and repairs. I was never officially charged anything, but would slip them a 20 or 50, depending on what was checked out, and how they answered my questions. Yet if you happen to know of an independent garage and/or a trustworthy mechanic in SP, which I didn’t, then even all the better….
    Gringo.Floripa2010-11-06 10:49:05

  • #9553

    milkshake
    Member
  • #183936

    mishalily
    Member

    Hello-
    I am replying to an old post so if you are still around thanks for any help. You give a detailed explanation of importing a car in you message and mention you will discuss classic cars later, but i am unable to find anything. The reason i ask is that my family in the US is involved in the classic car industry and i would like to start a company here in SP. I know the taxes are 100-125% and that is ok. My question is that i have read in other places imported classic cars cannot be resold. DO you have any knowledge of this or could you refer me to someone who may. Thanks again.
    R

  • #183937

    deangelo
    Member

    Hello-
    Has anyone successfully imported a classic car or fully researched the subject?
    My family in the US is involved in the classic car industry and i would like to start a company here in SP. I know the taxes are 100-125% and that is ok. My question is that i have read in other places imported classic cars cannot be resold. Does anyone have any knowledge of this or could you refer me to someone who may.
    Thanks for any help?
    RSPjayhawk2011-10-03 08:26:55

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