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  • #135822

    StevieC
    Member

    So I recently travelled to Brazil and met a girl at one of the local boates. She is a part-timer as far as the boates goes and teaches english part-time as well. She’s college educated and we really had great conversation. We had a very nice time, dinner, drinnks, hanging out, kissing, but I wanted to spend time with her and get to know her, so we did not return to my hotel and I then left brazil. We have been talking on the phone every day and she wants me to come visit. She says she hates her job but needs to do it to support her 2 year old son. The father is an American brazilian who has since moved back to the USA….their son goes to visit his father twice a year. She is very discreet about what she does, and has been applying to different jobs with no luck. She seems to genuine and I don’t think that she is lying to me. She tells me when she is going to work, and says that although she usually hates it, there are times when she enjoys it…such as with repeat clients…she says she is very happy to have met me and really likes me, etc, etc. Am I just being dumb here and being taken for a ride….does she like me or am I just another dumb gringo that she wants to milk for $$$? How can I tell? Is it worth another visit to brazil? Even if I go to visit, how do I know if her feelings are genuine or not? Any advice would be greatly appreciated….also, any questions that would help you guys give me this advice are welcome also. Thanks!!

  • #135827

    Ozzie girl
    Member

    If you are interested in Brasil and would consider spending more time here maybe you should visit and learn Portuguese from her. Only you can tell if she is genuine or not. No one on this forum can answer your questions based on what you have written. However, you do express doubt in your post. It can’t hurt to spend more time to find out.

  • #135830

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Whoo-hoo……the start of another good novela…….. [QUOTE=confused_gringo] ….. .She says she hates her job but needs to do it to support her 2 year old son. [/QUOTE] I have a number of friends in Brazil with small children. They all have an inadequate education thanks to the public school system, and no skills or training, thanks to lack of money/opportunity. They all manage to support their children in a dignified manner, by working hard,although I’m sure any one of them could take the easy route mentioned. This woman is a prostitute. She has chosen to sell her body to various men, few of whom, I am sure, respect her for her efforts. Your choice as to the character of the person you choose to keep company with. Note that people usually do not change; someone who takes the easy way would probably always do so. There are lots of lovely women of good character in Brazil out there to meet. Your choice as to what you want from the “relationship”. Do you see yourself introducing her to your family, including describing her profession? Try doing your thinking with the head on your shoulders.

  • #135831

    StevieC
    Member

    Thanks for responding. I guess you are right that only I can tell if she is genuine or not. I think that she is…one of the first things she said after I returned to the US is that she is very pessimistic about long distance relationships, but we seem to have such great chemistry that we are both overlooking that for the time being and just seeing what happens while we coordinate to see each other again.

    In part, its reading the horror stories on here that are making me think I’m being an idiot and also leading me to belive that no one in her line of work can be as honest as she seems. I’m not a gullible or naive person, and can usually judge people very well. People on here are saying that brazilian women, even non-pro’s are very manipulative and as I see myself getting sucked in, it makes me concerned.

  • #135832

    StevieC
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bahiana77] Whoo-hoo……the start of another good novela…….. [QUOTE=confused_gringo] ….. .She says she hates her job but needs to do it to support her 2 year old son. [/QUOTE] I have a number of friends in Brazil with small children. They all have an inadequate education thanks to the public school system, and no skills or training, thanks to lack of money/opportunity. They all manage to support their children in a dignified manner, by working hard,although I’m sure any one of them could take the easy route mentioned. This woman is a prostitute. She has chosen to sell her body to various men, few of whom, I am sure, respect her for her efforts. Your choice as to the character of the person you choose to keep company with. Note that people usually do not change; someone who takes the easy way would probably always do so. There are lots of lovely women of good character in Brazil out there to meet. Your choice as to what you want from the “relationship”. Do you see yourself introducing her to your family, including describing her profession? Try doing your thinking with the head on your shoulders. [/QUOTE] Thanks Bahiana. Sadly you are right. Thanks, you are helping to knock some sense into my head…its slowly sinking in…I’ll keep reading this forum and hopefuly fully convince myself to break it off.

  • #135838

    jeb2886
    Member

    I’ll toss a couple random thoughts in here.
    She’s going to be a little “damaged” right form the get go. Regardless of whether she is genuine or not. Like any profession that really pushes morale boundaries, it’s going to cause her some damage. Just look at military personal returning from a war. Telling people it’s ok to kill, and then releasing them back into a society where it’s not. Not everyone gets screwed up, but your odds are much higher. Their outlook on life is much different. Going from being shot at every day, to worrying about a burger that just fell off the grill is pretty hard.
    Coming from an economy where services are extremely expensive, it’s fairly hard for you to judge what is and is not worth it for her. Is spending 3 hours a night on the phone with you for months, worth it for a con or not? For someone in the US, it likely wouldn’t be unless there was some multimillion dollar payout at the end. For someone in her shoes, you might be able to add a few hundred dollars onto her monthly salary, which might be significant.
    Finally, even if she is legit, her “friends” are likely to encourage her to use you. They might not even consider it using you, just you have money that they could use and you’re willing to lend it. After awhile, it might become a habit for them to pressure her into getting that money. Worst case they turn it into a game.
    Your best case scenario is ending up with a legit long distance relationship (which sucks to start with), with someone who is damaged in some way, in a job you’re not likely to encourage within a few months. To top it off, you’ll likely need to help her if she ever decides to switch careers.

  • #135839

    mrtony4usa
    Member

    [QUOTE=confused_gringo]So I recently travelled to Brazil and met a girl at one of the local boates. She is a part-timer as far as the boates goes and teaches english part-time as well. She’s college educated and we really had great conversation. We had a very nice time, dinner, drinnks, hanging out, kissing, but I wanted to spend time with her and get to know her, so we did not return to my hotel and I then left brazil. We have been talking on the phone every day and she wants me to come visit. She says she hates her job but needs to do it to support her 2 year old son. The father is an American brazilian who has since moved back to the USA….their son goes to visit his father twice a year. She is very discreet about what she does, and has been applying to different jobs with no luck. She seems to genuine and I don’t think that she is lying to me. She tells me when she is going to work, and says that although she usually hates it, there are times when she enjoys it…such as with repeat clients…she says she is very happy to have met me and really likes me, etc, etc. Am I just being dumb here and being taken for a ride….does she like me or am I just another dumb gringo that she wants to milk for $$$? How can I tell? Is it worth another visit to brazil? Even if I go to visit, how do I know if her feelings are genuine or not? Any advice would be greatly appreciated….also, any questions that would help you guys give me this advice are welcome also. Thanks!! [/QUOTE] As Bahiana says…she’s a Prostitute…and in Brazil they are really “expert” at convincing otherwise. Everyone I’ve spoken to over the years always advised these Prostitutes do not change and should be left well alone “emotionally” Doing it to support her 2 yr old kid is a well used excuse. Brasilian Families are usually very large and supportive so if she has family, she would have opportunities to support her kid without doing what she does. The money is so good for most Prostitutes that they just will not give it up, despite all the stories you might hear. Almost certainly you will be a “dumb” gringo if you continue with her, like 000’s, 000 000’s before you and there have been some shocking stories of well to do and well off Gringoes losing HUGE fortunes! As the other Forum Member stated, there are so many good-intentioned, beautiful Brasilian girls, that you MUST avoid anything further with this Prostitute at all costs !!

  • #135847

    micko
    Member
  • #135850

    StevieC
    Member

    Feeling very much like a sucker right now….its comments like this that seem so genuine: “You have to promise that if you meet a girl that you like in the States that you will tell me, so I don’t keep falling for you” and “my friends are making fun of me for talking to you every night…they are asking me what the point is…he’s so far away.” Crap! Yeah, I’m an idiot. This kinda sucks, but better to get out now before I get in any deeper.

  • #135855

    jeb2886
    Member

    Even if she is genuine now, there will be some point in the future where things go offtrack and you won’t be able to sit on the side lines and let it happen. Medical issue, a real bad night at work, lost rent, eviction. Something.
    Once you do that once, you’ll become a known spot for finding help. Whether it’s intentional or not, you’ll be suckered into helping out all the time.

  • #135874

    lgwen
    Member

    So much has already been said, but to throw in another thought; How do you feel about the situation if you take out the ‘Brazilian’ factor? I.e. Would you date this woman if she was from your city?

  • #135877

    lmaonade5
    Member

    Good point. Clap

  • #135880

    HelloBrazil
    Member

    These are decent girls who seek foreigners for sexcompanionship, dinner, alcohol, dancing, stays at nice hotels, travel and gifts. Then you see them in the LAN house with 15 messenger windows open simultaneously. Copy paste copy paste copy paste: Germany, USA, Italy, she loves them all and misses them all.
    I know one, right here in Olinda, who doesn’t work at all, and lives off of this lifestyle. She’ll ask the guy for taxi fare home (R$20), take the bus (R$1.85) and pocket the difference. She’s a genius who conned an Australian friend of mine for months. Her name is Andreza and I’ll be glad to introduce you to her.

  • #135882

    gazf
    Member

    Hey CG. You can find the greatest extremes of character in this business. From ruthless lying whores, to smart authentic people who understand that their marketable skills have very little to do with love. This is true in Brasil and in every other country. More people than you can imagine in this world are doing jobs they would rather not for the greater good of helping feed, clothe and maybe even educate their kids. Your chances of one day finding “true love” with a sex worker are probably no greater or no less than finding it with a telemarketer, lawyer, landlord or politican.

  • #135884

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=confused_gringo]Feeling very much like a sucker right now….its comments like this that seem so genuine: “You have to promise that if you meet a girl that you like in the States that you will tell me, so I don’t keep falling for you” and “my friends are making fun of me for talking to you every night…they are asking me what the point is…he’s so far away.”

    Crap! Yeah, I’m an idiot. This kinda sucks, but better to get out now before I get in any deeper.

    [/QUOTE]
    Proceed with extreme caution. Say you met a call girl in the States with a two year old and had about ten “dates” a day. Is this what you really want? Even if she has a child with you and while ejoying a sizeable child support she decides to “work.”
    Usually once your bank account is empty, this kind of girl moves on.
    A recent case in Sp about a retiree who met a whore who had her phone number in a phone booth. She got him to buy a new car for 30,000 reais (Half of his retirement money), rent a house and get ready to sell his home of many years. His body was found in an empty lot with his fingers cut off. He was buried in the pauper’s lot. It took months for the family to find him.
    She told the cops he went on a trip to Paraguay to visit a friend. She is now in jail. Same story about “working” to support a child.
    There are other stories just as bad. Some guy met a girl over the internet. Eventually she drained out his bank accounts and killed him. That was in SP. Her real boyfriend did the deed.
    Aside from great sex and her need for a savior, what is there for a long term relationship?

  • #135890

    Ozzie girl
    Member

    Hey Confused- is she really like everyone here says she is? Is every girl that steps into a boate a hardened prostitute? The questions Bahiana77 asked are the ones you should ask yourself. Would you be comfortable introducing her to your parents, friends, family or anybody? Would you be happy with her long term? Do not let other people sway you or make judgements for you. You did not say much about the situation in your first post. I am not arguing the case for this girl. I am saying YOU should make your own decisions based on what you know and feel. In less than an hour this morning in your mind she went from being genuine to to a whore. You flip flop more than a politician. Be your own man and decide for yourself.

  • #135895

    jeb2886
    Member

    The real problem here is that it’s very difficult to tell what her situation really is. She’s already got a whole slew of bad issues against her. Including: her job, possible financial issues, she’s shown she’s willing to break the law with her job, others in her profession have been known to play with peoples minds, etc.
    There have been lots of negative ideas posted here about what could be happening, and no one has a story ending in a happy ending, other than perhaps people quoting from the movie pretty woman. (which no one has done yet……)
    It comes down to:
    – What she has got to offer you, or what could you potentially gain?
    – What reasons does she have to lie to you, what could she potentially gain?
    I’m guessing you have a very unhappy relationship you could gain, and a huge potential loss. We can’t provide a good answer to exactly what she might be doing, but we can point out that the odds are heavily stacked against you. So much so, that no one has pointed out a good happy ending story as of yet.

  • #135911

    majazac
    Member

    A good pointer as to whether she is a pro or not, is where you met her. I can only speak for Rio and SP, but if you met a girl in Help, she’s a pro. I’ve been told that you can also run into these type of women in more ‘genuine’ clubs like Nuth and Baronetti but hte likelihood is less….

  • #135923

    StevieC
    Member

    Thnx for all the responses. I’ll try to. Answer and fill in the blanks.

    She is not a criminal unlike what others have said. What she is doing is not illegal in Brazil so keep that in mind. Also I would not have gone into a place like that in the US. Is she a hardened hooker? No, she hasn’t been doing this for very long and no, I am sure it is not in her to kill someone for money. She doesn’t turn 10 tricks a night. She works about 3 nights a week and if she meets a client at the club and leaves with him she goes home afterwards, so at most its 1 client a night on nighta she works.

    If her feelings not genuine I can’t yet see her end game. Last night she said “what if u come to visit and we don’t like each other as much as we think?” I don’t think its being manipulative but I can’t ignore that. Possibility. I am not concerned about getting hurt physically. I’m worried about my heart as I get more emotionally involved.

    Would I feel comfortable introducing her to family/friends? Absolutely, IF she no longer worked in the business.

    Other concerns…she wants to only do this for a few more months but I think it will b hard to stop as she gets more accustomed to fast money. Also I think that as she does this longer she will change, become “damaged” as someone said and become hardened.

    I’ll leave it there for now and I’m looking forward to more respondes. Thanks guys. confused_gringo2009-12-01 10:45:54

  • #135928

    mrtony4usa
    Member

    [QUOTE=confused_gringo]Thnx for all the responses. I’ll try to. Answer and fill in the blanks.

    She is not a criminal unlike what others have said. What she is doing is not illegal in Brazil so keep that in mind. Also I would not have gone into a place like that. Is she a hardened hooked? No, she hasn’t been doing this for very long and no, I am sure it is not in her to kill someone for money. She doesn’t turn 10 tricks a night. She works about 3 nights a week and if she meets a client at the club and leaves with him she goes home afterwards, so at most its 1 client a night on nighta she works.

    If her feelings not genuine I can’t yet see her end game. Last night she said “what if u come to visit and we don’t like each other as much as we think?” I don’t think its being manipulative but I can’t ignore that. Possibility. I am not concerned about getting hurt physically. I’m worried about my heart as I get more emotionally involved.

    Would I feel comfortable introducing her to family/friends? Absolutely, IF she no longer worked in the business.

    Other concerns…she wants to only do this for a few more months but I think it will b hard to stop as she gets more accustomed to fast money. Also I think that as she does this longer she will change, become “damaged” as someone said and become hardened.

    I’ll leave it there for now and I’m looking forward to more respondes. Thanks guys.[/QUOTE] The only sensible action is to move on, put it down to a nice little experience and leave it at that and stop wasting your time and head Millions before you have tried hard unsuccessfully to reason, justify being with such a type of person

  • #135932

    Ozzie girl
    Member

    Originally posted by confused_gringo
    I’ll leave it there for now and I’m looking forward to more respondes.
    I don’t think there is that much more to respond with or to.
    The next step is yours with your girl. Let us know how it works out.

  • #135981

    Jeroen
    Participant

    A good friend of mine just got married with a “boate girl” and they are both very happy now. So yes, it’s possible. How many times did you both talk about money. Did she ask your for money or things for her or her child? Broken TV maybe? Problems with her house? An unpaid doctor’s bill? How does she react when you tell her that you love her, but that you’re not rich?

  • #136287

    enchantbeau
    Member

    The film ‘Pretty Woman’ had a happy ending, so if she’s like Julia Roberts and you’re like Richard Gere it could work!

  • #136306

    agri2001
    Participant

    [QUOTE=confused_gringo]Thnx for all the responses. I’ll try to. Answer and fill in the blanks.
    She is not a criminal unlike what others have said. What she is doing is not illegal in Brazil so keep that in mind. Also I would not have gone into a place like that in the US. Is she a hardened hooker? No, she hasn’t been doing this for very long and no, I am sure it is not in her to kill someone for money. She doesn’t turn 10 tricks a night. She works about 3 nights a week and if she meets a client at the club and leaves with him she goes home afterwards, so at most its 1 client a night on nighta she works.
    If her feelings not genuine I can’t yet see her end game. Last night she said “what if u come to visit and we don’t like each other as much as we think?” I don’t think its being manipulative but I can’t ignore that. Possibility. I am not concerned about getting hurt physically. I’m worried about my heart as I get more emotionally involved.
    Would I feel comfortable introducing her to family/friends? Absolutely, IF she no longer worked in the business.
    Other concerns…she wants to only do this for a few more months but I think it will b hard to stop as she gets more accustomed to fast money. Also I think that as she does this longer she will change, become “damaged” as someone said and become hardened.
    I’ll leave it there for now and I’m looking forward to more respondes. Thanks guys. [/QUOTE]
    CG I know that a lot of advise has been given here and all are trying to help and I will also try to do the same but from a different perspective.
    You see..! It could all work out if you are hardened to the fact of what she does for a living and see this as a perfect business opportunity.
    Let me give you a small example
    A friend of mine in Argentina, a real looser but very good looking, fell for a girl that worked in a cabaret in BA but the real reason that influenced his decision to hook up with her was the money this chick was making.
    She had contacts in the Argentine Congress and she would rent her services whenever they would travel within the country or overseas and she used to charge US$15.000 for a two week get together ( yes you read that right, about the price ) so the Argentine taxpayer was getting screwed twice, once by their elected clowns and then by this girl, literally speaking.LOL
    To top it all off she was Brazilian and owned apartments in Rio that she was renting out.
    So if this girl is decent you might want to start thinking along those lines and turn this into a profitable venture.
    Just a thought…..Big%20smile

  • #136307

    celso
    Member

    [QUOTE=agri2001][QUOTE=confused_gringo]Thnx for all the responses. I’ll try to. Answer and fill in the blanks.
    She is not a criminal unlike what others have said. What she is doing is not illegal in Brazil so keep that in mind. Also I would not have gone into a place like that in the US. Is she a hardened hooker? No, she hasn’t been doing this for very long and no, I am sure it is not in her to kill someone for money. She doesn’t turn 10 tricks a night. She works about 3 nights a week and if she meets a client at the club and leaves with him she goes home afterwards, so at most its 1 client a night on nighta she works.
    If her feelings not genuine I can’t yet see her end game. Last night she said “what if u come to visit and we don’t like each other as much as we think?” I don’t think its being manipulative but I can’t ignore that. Possibility. I am not concerned about getting hurt physically. I’m worried about my heart as I get more emotionally involved.
    Would I feel comfortable introducing her to family/friends? Absolutely, IF she no longer worked in the business.
    Other concerns…she wants to only do this for a few more months but I think it will b hard to stop as she gets more accustomed to fast money. Also I think that as she does this longer she will change, become “damaged” as someone said and become hardened.
    I’ll leave it there for now and I’m looking forward to more respondes. Thanks guys. [/QUOTE]
    CG I know that a lot of advise has been given here and all are trying to help and I will also try to do the same but from a different perspective.
    You see..! It could all work out if you are hardened to the fact of what she does for a living and see this as a perfect business opportunity.
    Let me give you a small example
    A friend of mine in Argentina, a real looser but very good looking, fell for a girl that worked in a cabaret in BA but the real reason that influenced his decision to hook up with her was the money this chick was making.
    She had contacts in the Argentine Congress and she would rent her services whenever they would travel within the country or overseas and she used to charge US$15.000 for a two week get together ( yes you read that right, about the price ) so the Argentine taxpayer was getting screwed twice, once by their elected clowns and then by this girl, literally speaking.LOL
    To top it all off she was Brazilian and owned apartments in Rio that she was renting out.
    So if this girl is decent you might want to start thinking along those lines and turn this into a profitable venture.
    Just a thought…..Big%20smile
    [/QUOTE]
    A German friend of mine married a “working girl” he met on the beach in Salvador.
    She cleaned out a bank account and stole a bunch of stuff from the house.
    Two years later he had to go to the delegacia to complain about death threats and a knife attack. She did some time for domestic violence. Her mother is a Macumba practitioner and she tells him that they are working on a form of Voo Doo to kill him.Confused
    He does not believe in Voo Doo and is happy to be rid of her.
    Good luck. You will need it.
    GreatBallsoFire2009-12-06 19:36:31

  • #136492

    815
    Member

    Frank,
    You meant to say that you CAN’T turn a hoe into a house wife, right?
    I love Luda! “Why do ya take a hoe to the hotel, Cuz the how go tell!” Classic

  • #136493

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    [QUOTE=HockeyFan]Hey Confused- is she really like everyone here says she is? Is every girl that steps into a boate a hardened prostitute? [/QUOTE]
    No. Many work, as he said “part time” and “once in a while”. The idea being, going out (for free) meet people and make a buck while having fun.

  • #136640

    enchantbeau
    Member

    [QUOTE=frank4000]

    3. Richard Gere/Julia Richards ( IT IS ONLY A MOVIE) repeat it.

    Ouch
    [/QUOTE] Oh, Frank what happened to your sense of humour. Surely the point I was making that this sort of thing only really happens in movies didn’t need spelling out? Yes, I guess it does here!

  • #136730

    Jabber Jones
    Member

    For me the main thing I would look at is, has she ever asked about or alluded to getting money from you.
    Yes marrying an American(or most foreigners) would be a nice out for a girl, sometimes a stable (hopefully) life is enough. But some want all the bling that a foreigner’s money can bring them.
    I had a few employees who married Americans and most were just looking for love. And all woman are looking for stability in marrying. But one or two just wanted to gifts associated with the money, those are the ones you need to suss out.

  • #15839

    Burmeister
    Member

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