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  • #276612

    Serrano
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    This kinda ties in with athread started yesterday by The Paulistano Abbot. He mentionedsomething about the present youth in Brasil, how many of them seem deficient inabilities to pave a path for the future; a few others commentedfurther on that specific facet of what’s coming down the pike here inOrdem and Progresso World.

    Scenario: My caseiro’sdaughter is going to graduate from high school next year. She’ll beseventeen… an entire lifetime ahead of her. I’ve watched her growup. She’s bright, engaging, very attractive, and I think ifencouraged/pressed to do so, would be ambitious enough to actuallysucceed in something other than posting selfies on Facebookee. Asmentioned, her father is my caseiro, yet he also has his owngardening business. However, the majority of his income in thatventure is derived from yard maintenance, so in summer he makes goodmoney, but in winter (here in southern Brasil), he earns a third ofwhat his summertime income usually brings in (excluding what I payhim, which is his safety net). Her mother is a seamstress.

    Therefore, the incomebracket the daughter comes from is a low rung of the new middle classin Brasil. Her parents do not have the extra income to provide forher additional educational expenses (and aside from limited income,they’ve run up quite an amount of unsecured debt, due to the easycredit hoisted upon the lower economic class over the past fewyears). Presently, the daughter thinks that becoming a seamstress isher only viable option for work, once she graduates. Nothing wrongwith that, but I just hate thinking that this young, bright, andattractive girl will be consigned to a life of drudgery, sewing laceon bras and panties in a factory in Blumenaufor the next thirty years.

    I want to help… to anextent. I have my own financial priorities and goals, but am willingto funnel something her way to assist, if used in furthering hereducation. Of course (if she can pass the entrance exams),continuing on to a federal university, paid for by my taxes andyours, is a possible route (but not necessarily a means to an end). Taking concourso after concourso publico seems to be the routefor most college grads in Brasil, unless you come from a family withmoney, and/or the political/community ties needed to fast track one’schild into adulthood as a significant wage earner with a cushy job. And I’d rather see her become a seamstress than a funcionariopublicoshuffling papers allday! I thought perhaps I could sponsor her for an exchangeprogram abroad, but she doesn’t speak english well enough yet forthis route; she only knows basic phrases I’ve taught her, like “goodmorning” (good-gee mohn-ing).

    Saw on the tele the othernight a recruitment ad for the Navy. Kind of a light bulb moment…. The military is always an excellent route for those often of lessermeans to further obtain a good education after high school, as wellas the opportunity to learn technical skills that could be marketablelater, should she decide to leave the military. But ‘careermilitary’ wouldn’t be a bad option for her either; good benefits,secure pay check, opportunities for advancement. Should the governofederal ever get the sacos to cut expenses, it would assuredlybe pubic servants who see a reduction in pay and benefits (evenlayoffs), way before military personnel (least there be a coup!).

    And seeing that Brasil doesn’t have a foreign policy that createsenemies (like some countries do,which I won’t mention here), the likelihood of ever actuallyseeing combat somewhere is minimal, if non-existent. And in theunlikely event of an internal ‘revolution’, if bloody, the Navy wouldmost likely not be involved (unless dealing with terroristassurfistas). Lastly, although I’m not sure about this, I’m guessingthat each branch of the military in Brasil has a certain quota theyneed to fill with women (?).

    Anyone know of someone’schild who has entered the military in Brasil, right out of highschool? I assume there is some rigid testing involved to become acandidate. Anyone have a link to help prepare for such testing, orknow about a specific concourso for entering the military? Any otherinfo someone might have, and/or constructive comments on this topic,please weigh in.

    Grato!

    EDIT: The Navy’s website (http://mar.mil.br) seems to have limited functionality. Or maybe it can only be viewed using IE? Confused

    Gringo.Serrano2015-08-05 14:03:04

  • #276613

    ffm
    Member

    I have a few friends (all male) that have been in the army. They all come from modest means and all are ballers today. (Three total) They all make 10k+ in completely unrelated fields. They are my most reliable friends. They have a sense of honor to them. I also had a few students that were army men. All decent positions (heck, they had a native teacher show up to their work site weekly) and all stand up guys.
    I think you would do well to steer her that way. Good on you GS. I know some lefty white knight asses would accuse you of being the “paternalistic white man blah blah blah” but I think it is commendable. I had some pretty crappy parenting and I would have done good to have someone whisper some words of wisdom into my ear as I was drowning my excellent opportunity at good university in booze and poon tang.

  • #276615

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    I knew a few people at my university that where actually navy and army and studying law.

    In order to enroll as a career, just as anything in public service she must do a “concurso pì∫blico” to enter.
  • #276616

    Anonymous

    Well, Professor Higgins,you are considering a long and treacherous path with this adventure. Having nodoubts about your impeccable motives, that of almost missionary and laudable aims,I fear that you may well find yourself in the cannibal’s pot.

    Assumption is themother of all phuck-ups and in this case, the assumption may be that youconsider this family to be within your own personal mould from which kindred Westernfolk emerge – the equality of Man and all that. I naturally lean to the beliefthat, comparatively speaking, you and that family are alien to each other inalmost every cultural aspect and life experience. Remembering alsothat financial sponsorship can be a bottomless pit of guilt and conscience whenyou may become the only salvation at some inescapable point.

    The Scottish poet, RobertBurns, like all Scots, had difficulty with the English language as evidenced byhis brilliant observation, “O wad some Power the giftie gie us. To see oursels as itherssee us!” Poor man meant to say, “Oh would some power the gift giveus. To see ourselves as others see us.”

    Mypoint is suggesting that we know not what others think about us and whom we are,their general perception of us, gringos, and how our actions and motives may likelyjudged.

    The immediate and obvious misjudgement being nefarious thoughts about thedaughter, our Eliza Doolittle, sweet sixteen and on the cusp of womanhood.What, pray tell, do you think other members of the family, friends andneighbours would think of this unusual gallant philanthropy? We sin in thought,word and deed and the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This is adifficult oneâ‚Ǩ¬¶

  • #276649

    Socorro
    Member

    You can opt to take some specialized classes while in the military, I’ve heard. Also, if you have a university degree they will upgrade you to some higher post, comandante or something, I don’t know exactly. There are a few women in the military, but I suspect they have to adopt a serious kind of attitude to move on in that kind of environment. The Brazilian military is still very sexist, she would have to put up with that and really love what she is doing to make it.

  • #276652

    Anonymous

    for some reason i kept getting booted off every time i tried to post this link

    okay, i can’t get through to it today— it is at the bottom of this page here (official site for EAMSC)… maybe you can get to it with explorer.
  • #276676

    Serrano
    Participant

    [QUOTE=The Abbot]I had some pretty crappy parenting and I would have done good to have someone whisper some words of wisdom into my ear as I was drowning my excellent opportunity at good university in booze and poon tang.[/QUOTE]

    This kid’s parenting isgood. They do what they can with what they have, and while notnecessarily ‘strict’ with her, she has definite boundaries andlimitations (boundaries… the majority of personal relationships,and even political ones, would greatly improve if people had theslightest concept of what they are, and how they should berespected). I don’t want to be her mentor, nor feel qualified forthat. To be her sponsor, her patrocinador, is fine (and that doesn’tmean her sugar daddy).

    But I hear ya PaulistanoAbbot about being young and foolish in college. My first year, I wason the Dean’s list, but not because of academic excellence.LOL

    Yet I went from attending adictatorial parochial school all my childhood and pubescent life(where the nuns were not the singing kind, but wore perpetualscowls), to a public state-run university. I lived in a co-ed dorm(quite a novelty ‘back then’), and the school even occasionally had’streakers’ run through the middle of campus at lunchtime! I waslike a kid in a candy store, a bull in a china shop, a wild child, myfreshman year! The nextfourwere more stable.Wink

    Theuniversity I attended had, and still has, the reputation as a bigtime ‘party school’, so that certainly didn’t help matters. Neitherdid the legal drinking age during that era being a mere eighteenyears of age (which I turned two months before starting college). The first ‘herb’ I ever toked was at a party thrown by one of myprofessors. Nonetheless, I think I received a good ‘education’….Confused

    Neverlet schooling interfere with your education” ~Mark Twain~Thumbs Up

    Butseriously, times are different now. Some really toxic substances outthere that can kill you, quickly, instantly; even sex can belife-threatening these days if one doesn’t take proper precautions.

    @sven:Sì≥ I take what you said to mean, no matter what sort of employmentone hopes to gain via the federal gov’t, even enlisting in themilitary, they have to start by taking a concourso publico? I’mcompletely clueless about this concourso crap. Is it kinda likedriving school, some are more legit than others?

    @Esprit: I do see the flashing CAUTION light you’re waving directly in frontof me! I’m quite aware of what you said about how the family viewsme, and you are (as always) correct… to an extent. Yet to assistthe daughter is in many ways an expression of my thanks to thefather, who has been the ‘faithful servant’. I won’t bore you, orthe others with stories, but this guy has had multiple opportunitiesto lie, cheat, and steal, yet never has.

    Genuinetrust is a rare commodity. Oftentimes, what we might think is trustis merely mutual self-interest. Nonetheless, the time comes when ourzone is called for boarding, we trust that the jet will notonly take off safely, fly safely, but also land safely, and we arriveat our destination no worse the wear. Most of the time, the majorityof the time, that trust proves warranted (but there’s never aguarantee, is there?)

    Imyself have had benefactors along the way, such as a great aunt whopassed her dividend checks on to my mother, to help pay for mycollege (and partying). She gave from her abundance, not her need. Did that matter? Hell no. I could never pay her back while she wasstill living, sì≥ I believe, as clichì™ as it might sound, in payingit forward. Gratitude is gratitude, no matter how you slice it.

    Yetwhen the graduation day arrives for my caseiro’s daughter from highschool, and it’s time to make a decision as to which route to take,she might respond to my suggestion to enroll in the military with a”WTF are you talking about Tio?! I just want to sew, get married,make babies, and cook beans and rice for my family” (a big one)! Yet what I have observed in my brief time here, is that theless-haves don’t think options, especially life-changing ones, reallyexist for them.

    I want to give her at least some options. Herchoice, but here they are: choose wisely. And if she does indeedchoose the military route, I would expect any financial contributionon my part would be minimal, other than paying for a fewconcoursos.

    BTWEsprit, she already has Halle Berry’s complexion, and appears to bedeveloping Halle’s figure too, sì≥ she should look stunning in herstarched Navy whites!Wink

    @GranthamBourne: I had a roommate in college who was ROTC (Reserve OfficerTraining Corps), and yes, when he graduated he entered the militaryas an officer, not a grunt. I assume that program still exists inthe US. She’ll undoubtedly face sexism if enrolled in the military,especially in Brasil, but it can only make her stronger and moreconfident later on in life.

    BTWGrantham Bourne, when I’m finished with my project here in the serra,I’m going to invite both you and Esprit to the grand opening, andmake you both sit down at the same table and get drunk together!

    @3casas: As always, you come through with the goods! Thanks for the link. This looks promising!

    Thanksall for you input thus far. Bom FdS!!!

  • #276695

    Anonymous

    The life prospects that stretch out beforethis young person can be many and varied including the proverbial oyster. Inthe first instance, we need to look at her environs and at the generation shewill replace should she remain within the immediate geographical area togetherwith her family circle and friends; what you see is what she can get.

    An important determinant, aside fromher personality and current aspiration, is not only her intelligence andability but also what opportunities she’s had to learn thus far. My single fear,predicated on your description of her parent’s financial ability, questions thelikelihood that they have not funded a good general education thus far.

    Brazilian State schools are, ofcourse, a joke leaving only the possibility that some private schools are competentto begin to address this, the dominant problem in Brazil. And by way of exampleI would imagine that the current fee for this young person’s final year in aprivate school would be in the region of R$13k; a sum unlikely to be providedby her parents. Of course, she can graduate and I’m certain that whichever typeof school she attends the in-house examiners will â‚ǨÀúensure’ that the highestpercentage of students will pass their finals and graduate.

    The next usual step, I believe, is tosit and pass the Vestibular examination. Outstanding results may, just may,give her the chance of a scholarship at a State or Federal university. By theway, given the fact that she has a Halle Berry â‚ǨÀútan’ that single issue couldget her a place via the â‚ǨÀúquota system’ an insidious if not racist programmethat tries to balance ethnicities in the annual intake. Incidentally, manyprivate â‚ǨÀúuniversities’ will enrol any type of student, high school graduate ornot, Vestibular success or not provided that the single-most important qualificationcertificate is to hand; that being a cheque for the annual fees.

    The Jesuits say of characterformation, “Give me the child until seven years old and I will give you theman,” This would suggest that it’s a little late, but not impossible, to startwith this young person. It is of paramount importance that we remember thewisdom in the Irishman’s reply when asked for directions, “Sure I wouldn’tstart from here.” G.S. You’re a sucker for anything with puppy-dog eyes and so youmust have been a Samaritan in a previous life.

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