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  • #275777

    Serrano
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    Okay, so technically not about travel IN Brasil. Nonetheless…. Read an article recently about Gol’s new flight, non-stop GRU to Mendoza, Argentina. Wine country, at the base of the Andes, the scenery is spectacular. Some of the vineyards produce not only excellent wine, but the structures themselves are on the cutting edge.
    http://www.e-architect.co.uk/argentina/o-fournier-winery
    Anyway, right now, being winter, probably not the best time to go (not sure how far ski slopes are though). But some springtime wine-tasting sounds like a plan. Was wondering if anyone has ever been? Picolino, finrudd, anyone else…?

  • #275779

    agri2001
    Participant

    Been there and visited the wine producers where you can drink your fill for FREE..!

    Beautiful place.
  • #275783

    Finrudd
    Participant

    Mrs Finrudd spotted the flights are now direct, so something we are thinking of for the end of the year. You can also bring a good allowance of wine back, which is well worth the visit!

  • #275786

    Marc Maserati
    Participant

    I’ll have to look into that! I’ve been to Bueno Aires a few times. Each time the taxi driver tried to take me for a ride…on the fair! I’ve only really had issues like this in Argentina.

    Good luck!
    -Marc
  • #275789

    Serrano
    Participant

    [QUOTE=agri2001] Been there and visited the wine producers where you can drink your fill for FREE..!

    Beautiful place.

    [/QUOTE]
    Wine tasting for FREE? Really?! ? Color me there!!!
    Marc, finrudd, et al… maybe we should plan a gringo rendezvous in the spring? Sock puppets NOT invited!
    Read that the flight departs GRU at a reasonable 10hs and arrives about 14hs local. Perfect for hotel check in.
    Return is flight is late afternoon, arriving GRU around 20hs. Decent hours to travel both ways!
    Agri, where did you stay when you went there? Are there certain vineyards you’d recommend over others?

  • #275790

    Anonymous

    count me in. the pics were drool-worthy, GS!!

    my cousin went (he is even lushier than me, if you can imagine that) and he said he went somewhere like Concha y Toro and had an amazing time, it wasn’t the touristy giant boring thing he was expecting. I will ask him next time I see him.
    ETA- probably the US citizen tax will cost more than the airfare. boooooooo

    3casas2015-06-22 16:56:52

  • #275792

    miguel
    Participant

    Been there and it surpassed (admittedly low) expectations. Quality wineries, pousadas (some wineries have in-house pousadas), generous tastings, and some surprisingly good cuisine options. Many are relieved that the wine is not 100% about Malbec. Certainly more touristy (and much more of a draw) than Bento Gonìßalves and other locations in RS but definitely not a tourist trap (at least not yet). All in all, a charming and scenic place.
    miguel2015-06-22 18:48:59

  • #275794

    Paulo
    Participant

    Concha y Toro is a Chilean wine. Chilean wine has a better reputation than Argentinian wine mostly grown on the other side of the Andes opposite Mendoza.

    The best white wine I ever tasted was called Santa Catalina (three star version) from an old winery in Santiago.
  • #275795

    agri2001
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Gringo.Serrano] [QUOTE=agri2001] Been there and visited the wine producers where you can drink your fill for FREE..!

    Beautiful place.

    [/QUOTE]
    Wine tasting for FREE? Really?! ? Color me there!!!
    Marc, finrudd, et al… maybe we should plan a gringo rendezvous in the spring? Sock puppets NOT invited!
    Read that the flight departs GRU at a reasonable 10hs and arrives about 14hs local. Perfect for hotel check in.
    Return is flight is late afternoon, arriving GRU around 20hs. Decent hours to travel both ways!
    Agri, where did you stay when you went there? Are there certain vineyards you’d recommend over others?
    [/QUOTE]

    Hahahahaha..!
    That was many moons ago, maybe 2001, I went there an a invitation of a friend of mine that had family in Mendoza and I stayed with them.
    But Hotels are many and from what I remember and supposedly very reasonable depending on the time of the year.
    We went to Bodega Esmerald, Luigi Bosca and a few others that I cant even remember their names. But at that time they had certain days with tours of the Bodega and of course their wine tasting rooms, soooo we indulged.
    Some of the cheap table wines produced there are 10 times better then Brazilian vinegar that passes for wine here in Brazil.
    A bottle of Trapiche used to cost like US1.00, and it was very good table wine.
    I think the wines from that region, cost versus quality are the best in the world.
    I see that 3C mentioned Concha y Toro, which is a huge Chilean winery is also in Mendoza? could be because back then they had a buying office in the city and were buying wine pulp and also finished product in Argentina and sending it to their bottling plant in Chile and branding it as Chilean wine for export. Clever basterds…
  • #275807

    Anonymous

    No no, not Concha, but something like Concha— some well-known company that abroad you consider as to be the label for a typical US$10 bottle of red (nothing more, nothing less), and he was expecting it to be a joke but turned out to be a nice tour.

  • #275815

    agri2001
    Participant

    [QUOTE=janzzon]I am flying down there after I divorce my wife. Wanna go with me? :)[/QUOTE]

    You can come on the condition that you bring your wife with you.
  • #275952

    perhaps the OP can come back here and say if he had to pay the American Fee, since he is a dual. Did you have to pay man? I doubt it.
    @3casas, you’ve been here for like 20 years. I doubt you have any language insecurities. Why don’t you naturalize to get out of paying the “American fee” in Argentina? The news I get from the Land of Free, unfortunately, seems to get more worse by the year. The only added complication I have is voting and paying for a passport, which is chump-change to someone like you. You’re rich, right? Brazilians think Americans have a HUGE stash of dollars or an investment fund that pays them in Brazil, and we just work “because we want to”.. hahahaha

  • #275957

    Anonymous

    believe it or not, only 8 years, and we’ve moved. once the clock turns on 5 years in this address, i will be naturalizing, but i will not be dumping my US passport (and to be honest, I am much more likely to go to Chile than Argentina anyway….). Not sure how to take the latter part of your commentary. If passport fees are a problem the IRS is not going to be coming after you.3casas2015-07-05 17:56:25

  • #276011

    Serrano
    Participant

    [QUOTE=andrew_nofro]perhaps the OP can come back here and say if he had to pay the American Fee, since he is a dual. Did you have to pay man? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
    No, haven’t made a visit there yet. Really not the best time of year to do sì≥, right now. Thought maybeSpring, or even Summer. While I agree with 3casas, and Cardi, thatChile is a better destination where wine is concerned (Carmenì®re ismy ‘vinho da mesa’ at home), been there, done that. Haven’t been to Mendoza, the pics of the scenery are fantastic, and the convenient and more compact hours oftravel Gol now offers on this new route, non-stop fromGRU, is also attractive!
    I’ve been to AR many times, and yes, likeBR you have to be on your guard, some places more so than others, but I have loved each and everyvisit! BsAs, like any big city has it’s low lifes looking to scam tourists, but a trip I made once to Patagonia was full of nothing but wonderful encounters. I think Mendoza will be similar. If the economy and politics in Argentina wasn’t so damn dysfunctional (and I mean consistently whacky), then I think it would be a good place to live.
    @Marc, just like GRU has the Airport Express bus to central points in Sampa, EZE also has an airport bus service to central BsAs. You then catch a cab to your more specific destination; less likely to be ‘taken for a ride’ by the taxi driver.

    When I do go Mendoza andrew_nofro, it will be on a Mercosul passport. Not to save on fees, but that seemsto be the logical thing to do (Brasilian citizen traveling toArgentina… kinda like the border crossing for an EUAcitizen into Mexico, yes?).

    Like 3casas, I have no intention (now)of surrendering/renouncing/relinquishing my passport granting entrance to the Heimat. For now, I only have to declare accounts held outside of the EUA;they are not taxed. Yet the day Tio wants to tax me on my not onlyon my worldwide income (which he does already), but also levy a tax on my worldwidesavings(which I expect to be sooner, rather than later), thenyah, I will prompty return to Tio his official travel document, witha middle finger salute.

    Granted, that confines me to travel ‘only’South America, Central America, most of the Caribbean (including Cuba),Canada, Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa, Asia, Australia, Antarctica, and Iceland…. I’ll hate no longer being able to make trips to shop atCostco, but in the end, meh, sì≥ what?

    The inability to no longer travel tothe Heimlat is truly not a big deal. In fact, to travel solelyon a US passport these days, can be a liability, even very dangerous, in many,many parts of the world! Never used to be that way…. Disapprove

    Gringo.Serrano2015-07-08 15:01:55

  • #276014

    Marc Maserati
    Participant

    [QUOTE=andrew_nofro]perhaps the OP can come back here and say if he had to pay the American Fee, since he is a dual. Did you have to pay man? I doubt it.
    @3casas, you’ve been here for like 20 years. I doubt you have any language insecurities. Why don’t you naturalize to get out of paying the “American fee” in Argentina? The news I get from the Land of Free, unfortunately, seems to get more worse by the year. The only added complication I have is voting and paying for a passport, which is chump-change to someone like you. You’re rich, right? Brazilians think Americans have a HUGE stash of dollars or an investment fund that pays them in Brazil, and we just work “because we want to”.. hahahaha
    [/QUOTE]

    The American fee for Argentina is a one time fee good for 10 years. I was told at the migracion that other nationalities have to pay different rates. If that is true or not, I’m not exactly certain. The extra fee does suck but it’s not horrible and will not keep me from traveling there in the future.
    -Marc
  • #276015

    Marc Maserati
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Gringo.Serrano] [QUOTE=agri2001] Been there and visited the wine producers where you can drink your fill for FREE..!

    Beautiful place.

    [/QUOTE]
    Wine tasting for FREE? Really?! ? Color me there!!!
    Marc, finrudd, et al… maybe we should plan a gringo rendezvous in the spring? Sock puppets NOT invited!
    Read that the flight departs GRU at a reasonable 10hs and arrives about 14hs local. Perfect for hotel check in.
    Return is flight is late afternoon, arriving GRU around 20hs. Decent hours to travel both ways!
    Agri, where did you stay when you went there? Are there certain vineyards you’d recommend over others?
    [/QUOTE]

    I will probably be up for that in the fall.. once the kids are out of school! Now to find the prices of those flights!
    -Marc
  • #276016

    Marc Maserati
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Gringo.Serrano]
    @Marc, just like GRU has the Airport Express bus to central points in Sampa, EZE also has an airport bus service to central BsAs. You then catch a cab to your more specific destination; less likely to be ‘taken for a ride’ by the taxi driver.

    [/QUOTE]

    Good to know! I have friends there that suggested a taxi service meet you at the airport as well. I’ll have some options now for next time!

    -Marc

  • #276022

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=mmaser]The American fee for Argentina is a one time fee good for 10 years.
    [/QUOTE]

    That is good to know. I had understood it to be just a smack-in-the-gringo-face kind of fee and was more miffed by that than the amount. If you consider it to be basically a tourist visa, it is a lot more reasonable.
  • #276026

    Finrudd
    Participant

    I don’t remember getting a Visa with a Brit Passport – given the less-recent history, I’ve always felt very welcomed in AR too – love the place! ìç would definitely be up for a trip there – Fall Oct/Nov?

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