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  • #276117

    Socorro
    Member

    Grantham is now back as Bourne, after having been suspended due to some allegedly harrassing post to Esprit (thanks a lot Abbot). I’m glad to be back. And don’t report me again Abbot.

  • #276118

    Finrudd
    Participant

    Welcome aboard Bourne. I quite like that – sort of a cross between Bourne Identity and Borne Again. Sweet. In a Napoleon Dynamite style.

  • #276120

    celso
    Member

    Welcome back. Lots of great people have been booted for very stupid reasons.

  • #276121

    celso
    Member

    One big problem is that many men find a dusky maiden who is 20-30 years younger with no education. It starts out very exotic but later you find out she is a Rede Globo novella addict and she thinks she has captured a Gringo with money to burn. Then come the problems.

  • #276125

    sven van ‘t Veer
    Participant

    So, you’re a Bourne again Grantham???

  • #276128

    I am actually Boris, the real estate tycoon of Rio.

  • #276140

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bourne]Grantham is now back as Bourne, after having been suspended due to some allegedly harrassing post to Esprit (thanks a lot Abbot). I’m glad to be back. And don’t report me again Abbot.
    [/QUOTE]
    You’re welcome.
    If you deserve it, I will do it again. WTF are you going to do about it? Nothing. You will do nothing.

  • #276149

    Serrano
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Bourne]Grantham is now back as Bourne, after having been suspended….[/QUOTE]

    Welcome back. It happensto the best of us. Big smile

    At least you had theintegrity to announce your return under a new name, unlike some sockpuppet-masters on here, who once one oftheir socks is decapitated from the Hydra,come slithering back pretending to be a newbie (or an ‘old guard’ member), asking (more)inane questions, creating distractions, and being a generalnuisance.

    I have to concur withAbbot’s action and SR’s judgment though. Your rant on Esprit was inthe same manner I once ranted on you. And he hadn’t even beenposting on here for quite sometime, sì≥ really not sure what thatrant was all about. But it’s now water under the bridge.

    You can contribute someinsightful posts Grantham… when you want to. Time to refocus.

    Gringo.Serrano2015-07-13 14:39:18

  • #276151

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Gringo.Serrano][QUOTE=Bourne]Grantham is now back as Bourne, after having been suspended….[/QUOTE]

    Welcome back. It happensto the best of us. Big smile

    At least you had theintegrity to announce your return under a new name, unlike some sockpuppet-masters on here, who once one oftheir socks is decapitated from the Hydra,come slithering back pretending to be a newbie (or an ‘old guard’ member), asking (more)inane questions, creating distractions, and being a generalnuisance.

    I have to concur withAbbot’s action and SR’s judgment though. Your rant on Esprit was inthe same manner I once ranted on you. And he hadn’t even beenposting on here for quite sometime, sì≥ really not sure what thatrant was all about. But it’s now water under the bridge.

    You can contribute someinsightful posts Grantham… when you want to. Time to refocus.

    [/QUOTE]
    I didn’t announce under my new name but then again I think it was two posts and someone had already said “Welcome Pauly” so I guess I never had to. LOLI did acknowledge immediately, though.

  • #276152

    Serrano
    Participant

    [QUOTE=The Abbot]I didn’t announce under my new name but then again I think it was two posts and someone had already said “Welcome Pauly” so I guess I never had to. LOLI did acknowledge immediately, though. [/QUOTE]
    Just as Esprit returning as Fila, you didn’t need to announce anything. Your style and syntax were recognizable. But neither did you try to hide anything, when it was Grads I think, who said “welcome back Pauli”. Wink

  • #276158

    I am Boris the property seller of Rio, if have any questions, fire away! :)

  • #276163

    Anonymous

    The funny thing is that several of us on this thread actually know Boris the Real Estate Tycoon. If you’re going to copy him, you have some big shoes to fill.

    Welcome back Grantham.
  • #276171

    Boris relocated to the Northeast coast. He is gone from Rio and the high drama selling shady properties in Rio. He lives about one hour south of Porto de Galinhas in a shack beach house made from bamboo.

  • #276182

    ffm
    Member

    * Don’t know how I managed to do it but I replied to another thread here. Embarrassed
    The Abbot2015-07-14 08:34:52

  • #276258

    Socorro
    Member

    Thanks everyone for the warm welcome back! I appreciate it. (Except you Abbot, I know you have problems with me, if you think you can beat me about on this forum you can think twice, I’m not your f***ing doormat.)
    So, anyone want to discuss politics, economics, current events, recent developments in national cultures? Same-sex marriage? Confederate flags coming down? This recent rash of anti-black sentiment across the US? Obama deciding to be friendly with Cuba? Austerity in the US and Europe? Anti-Dilma sentiment in Brazil? Teachers vs. Beto Richa in Curitiba? How about Confederate flags coming down? Thoughts, feelings, views, opinions, are all welcome, just start firing away!

  • #276259

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bourne]
    (Except you Abbot, I know you have problems with me, if you think you can beat me about on this forum you can think twice, I’m not your f***ing doormat.)
    [/QUOTE]
    First of all, I don’t have a problem with you at all. That’s in your head, just like you concocted other “beefs” with other members to the outsider was clearly of your device. I have no intention of beating anyone on this forum. Where did you get such a hair brained idea that I want to beat you?????
    You have issues, that’s for sure, just don’t project them on me.

  • #276260

    Socorro
    Member

    Abbot, I really don’t want to give you attention on this forum, my mind is already set about you, I have plenty of reason to believe you are incapable of being civil and courteous with me on this forum. From comments about my young age, my lack of experience, my lack of knowledge to talk about certain topics, my sexuality, I have enough reason not to engage you on this forum. I may not be as old as some people on this forum, but that does not give you permission to discount my young age as a disqualifier from speaking about certain topics here. You don’t just treat young people like little juniors whose opinions you can easily brush aside because they happen to come out of a young person’s mouth. That’s the height of arrogance, and it’s infuriating. (That goes for not only you, but a couple other older members on this forum, who I’m not going to name, but they range from around 40-70 years in age) I’ve also been treated courteously by other older members on here. Which makes me think some people, including you, don’t like the fact that a younger person can have a valid opinion, you feel the need to assert your dominance as an older person, because somehow you feel threatened that maybe someone younger can have the intelligence to speak their minds and be accurate when it comes to certain topics. I often feel like I’m in a lion’s den here. I shouldn’t have to constantly defend myself. This is not a parliamentary body. I feel like that because I’m often attacked on here and it’s not paranoia on my part. I shouldn’t have to defend myself because I shouldn’t be attacked in the first place! Jeez. Do me a favor Abbot, please leave me alone.

  • #276261

    Steven
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Bourne]Abbot, I really don’t want to give you attention on this forum, my mind is already set about you, I have plenty of reason to believe you are incapable of being civil and courteous with me on this forum. From comments about my young age, my lack of experience, my lack of knowledge to talk about certain topics, my sexuality, I have enough reason not to engage you on this forum. I may not be as old as some people on this forum, but that does not give you permission to discount my young age as a disqualifier from speaking about certain topics here. You don’t just treat young people like little juniors whose opinions you can easily brush aside because they happen to come out of a young person’s mouth. That’s the height of arrogance, and it’s infuriating. (That goes for not only you, but a couple other older members on this forum, who I’m not going to name, but they range from around 40-70 years in age) I’ve also been treated courteously by other older members on here. Which makes me think some people, including you, don’t like the fact that a younger person can have a valid opinion, you feel the need to assert your dominance as an older person, because somehow you feel threatened that maybe someone younger can have the intelligence to speak their minds and be accurate when it comes to certain topics. I often feel like I’m in a lion’s den here. I shouldn’t have to constantly defend myself. This is not a parliamentary body. I feel like that because I’m often attacked on here and it’s not paranoia on my part. I shouldn’t have to defend myself because I shouldn’t be attacked in the first place! Jeez. Do me a favor Abbot, please leave me alone.
    [/QUOTE]

    Grantham’s back for a couple of days on the Forum and he is already revving up his engines.
  • #276263

    hoganti
    Member

    [QUOTE=Steven][QUOTE=Bourne]Abbot, I really don’t want to give you attention on this forum, my mind is already set about you, I have plenty of reason to believe you are incapable of being civil and courteous with me on this forum. From comments about my young age, my lack of experience, my lack of knowledge to talk about certain topics, my sexuality, I have enough reason not to engage you on this forum. I may not be as old as some people on this forum, but that does not give you permission to discount my young age as a disqualifier from speaking about certain topics here. You don’t just treat young people like little juniors whose opinions you can easily brush aside because they happen to come out of a young person’s mouth. That’s the height of arrogance, and it’s infuriating. (That goes for not only you, but a couple other older members on this forum, who I’m not going to name, but they range from around 40-70 years in age) I’ve also been treated courteously by other older members on here. Which makes me think some people, including you, don’t like the fact that a younger person can have a valid opinion, you feel the need to assert your dominance as an older person, because somehow you feel threatened that maybe someone younger can have the intelligence to speak their minds and be accurate when it comes to certain topics. I often feel like I’m in a lion’s den here. I shouldn’t have to constantly defend myself. This is not a parliamentary body. I feel like that because I’m often attacked on here and it’s not paranoia on my part. I shouldn’t have to defend myself because I shouldn’t be attacked in the first place! Jeez. Do me a favor Abbot, please leave me alone.
    [/QUOTE]

    Grantham’s back for a couple of days on the Forum and he is already revving up his engines.

    [/QUOTE]

    1. Welcome back
    2. If you don’t want to give any attention just ignore him. (I don’t having anything against Abbott, but if there is someone I don’t like or wish to engage with I ignore them.
    3. Gay marriage…good job USA
    4. Confed Flag coming down….good job
    5. But both these things have done nothing to deal with the hate that is in people’s hearts which is the real problem.
    over and out
  • #276265

    Anonymous

    Sure, welcome back.
    But …
    [QUOTE=Steven]Grantham’s back for a couple of days on the Forum and he is already revving up his engines. [/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly.
    [QUOTE=Bourne]… talk about certain topics, my sexuality … I often feel like I’m in a lion’s den here. I shouldn’t have to constantly defend myself. … Jeez….. please leave me alone. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bourne]So, anyone want to discuss politics, economics, current events, recent developments in national cultures? Same-sex marriage? Confederate flags coming down? This recent rash of anti-black sentiment across the US? …. How about Confederate flags coming down? [/QUOTE]I miss esprit. He would’ve hit this one out of the park. Hopefully everything is working out with his wife’s health.

  • #276266

    hoganti
    Member

    I missed the part about espirit’s wife….what happened?

  • #276268

    Anonymous

    fila/esprit explained his leave of absence: his wife’s health is failing and he needs to dedicate himself to being by her side now.
    If I recall correctly, he is in the process of selling his place here in Brazil so they can return Stateside for better medical care.
    picolino2015-07-15 20:43:14

  • #276269

    hoganti
    Member

    oh dear….hate to hear that

  • #276281

    Anonymous

    Things in Curitiba are just as precarious as usual, Bourne. The strike is not over, just on hold, and while the kids are going to school extra hours and Saturdays and no vacations til January, they are talking about maybe restarting the strike in January just to make their point. (lots of kids got screwed this year- 73 days lost- and I suspect they’ll see the impact when ENEM time comes). I hope it makes people realize what an absolute idiot Beto is but they voted for him in droves, it is hard to comprehend.

    Then we have our local mayor who is up to his eyeballs in issues and (I personally think) doing the best he can, albeit without much power and no funding to work with and a population that cares about one thing and one thing alone: food trucks, and vereadores like Chico de Uberaba crying, literally, on the radio crying that 20K per month is not enough and that public servants have hard, hard lives. And yet we somehow are finding 50 gazillion reais to build a subway to nowhere, even as factories are laying everyone off.
    To top it off, I’ve heard that there is a Jaime Lerner biopic coming out, so we can expect a good long period of backslapping and masturbatory publicity.
  • #276291

    Finrudd
    Participant

    Confederate Flags coming down – I was quite sad to hear about this, and of course, I am not American so it doesn’t have the same meaning to me anyway. For me the Confederate Flag was The Dukes of Hazzard, and a reminder of a period of American history when a proud region of the country stood up for what they believed in, rightly or wrongly. I am not getting into that part.

    However, I remember when the Union Flag in the UK was hijacked by a right-wing minority when I was a child, and through vilification in the press, was held to be a symbol of racism, hate and general vileness. It was, and still is sad to see a country that is embarrassed of its national flag. I can cope with it being used for t-shirts, boxer shorts, and beach towels, but I don’t like to be made to feel ashamed of the flag, and I am by no means a Nationalist. The Brazilian flag is flown proudly everywhere in Brazil – I have never come across even a remote shame of the Brazilian flag (which is quite cool) in any ‘class’ of people here. I would hate to see that happen in the US too.
  • #276295

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Bourne]Abbot, I really don’t want to give you attention on this forum,
    [/QUOTE]

    ………but I’m gonna go ahead and write a novel about you………LOL
  • #276296

    ffm
    Member

    My $0.02 on the confederate flag, GOOD RIDDANCE!

    Seriously, WTF? How is this even a thing? People will completely ignore any parallels to the nazi flag and that is a shame. The nazi/Hitler parallels have been f***ed out so when anybody tries to use it it gets cut down without rational thought. BUT, slavery killed people and made their lives unbearable and based on what? The color of their skin. Slavery is always awful but it was hellishly awful in the US. You can tip toe around it any way you want but the underlying reason for succession was to protect this “right” that the Southern states felt was being threatened by the annexation of free states. Sure there were other quips but ENSLAVING a race of people was at the fore front. It is infuriating how people want to turn away from this fact. I have a theory. The Confederate flag is kind of cool looking. It has been used by rock bands and bad boys for decades. I think it is getting a free ride on it’s aesthetic appeal.
    About gay marriage:
    Well the Lord made Adam and Eve, not…….JUST KIDDING! GOOD! GOOD GOOD! Let gay couples have the same rights. The ONLY argument against it comes from a stupid ancient book. I think their is some genius stories in the bible and some cool quotes for girls to tattoo on their “side boob” but as a guide for today’s society to make rules??????? UHHHHHH no. We don’t take a lot of medical advice from 2000 years ago….just saying.
    Abraìßos meu querido Grantham/ Bourne!

  • #276299

    Silpy Gomden
    Member

    Enough already.Big smile

  • #276300

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=tcbains]Enough already.Big smile[/QUOTE]
    Of gay marriage and confederate flag talk?

  • #276304

    LOL! I got suspended too LOLSome people are just too sensitive to have honest discussions about things! They go crying to daddy when someone says something they don’t want to hear!bbrasileira2015-07-16 18:19:26

  • #276305

    Finrudd
    Participant

    [QUOTE=The Abbot]My $0.02 on the confederate flag, GOOD RIDDANCE!

    Seriously, WTF? How is this even a thing? People will completely ignore any parallels to the nazi flag and that is a shame. The nazi/Hitler parallels have been f***ed out so when anybody tries to use it it gets cut down without rational thought. BUT, slavery killed people and made their lives unbearable and based on what? The color of their skin. Slavery is always awful but it was hellishly awful in the US. You can tip toe around it any way you want but the underlying reason for succession was to protect this “right” that the Southern states felt was being threatened by the annexation of free states. Sure there were other quips but ENSLAVING a race of people was at the fore front. It is infuriating how people want to turn away from this fact. I have a theory. The Confederate flag is kind of cool looking. It has been used by rock bands and bad boys for decades. I think it is getting a free ride on it’s aesthetic appeal.
    [/QUOTE]
    Yep. fair play – slavery is abhorrent. However, we all know who the biggest ‘consumer’ of slavery was, right? Should they also remove their flag in shame? Slavery was one majorly wrong aspect of a region, but not related to the flag. Let us not forget that the North also had slaves – right? They just decided it was wrong sooner, and got on their holier-than-thou horse about it sooner, as the British did before that. Brazil was late to the party, as ever. As for flags being used by bad boy bands – the only album I can think of with a US flag on it it is Bruce Springsteen. He’s a bad-ass for sure, and that is not the Confederate Flag.
  • #276326

    Serrano
    Participant

    My favorite flag is the Gadsden flag; a coiled rattlesnake, ready to strike, with the words “Don’t Tread On Me”.
    Yet it too was recently hijacked, by the ultra-conservative Tea Party. Bummer, because it’s nonetheless an awesome flag!

    @grantham Bourne: The alternative media is reporting the Charleston shooter’s original target was a school, and not the AME church. Is the MainStreamMedia there on The Fazenda still trying to spin this as race related?

  • #276327

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=finrudd][QUOTE=The Abbot]My $0.02 on the confederate flag, GOOD RIDDANCE!

    Seriously, WTF? How is this even a thing? People will completely ignore any parallels to the nazi flag and that is a shame. The nazi/Hitler parallels have been f***ed out so when anybody tries to use it it gets cut down without rational thought. BUT, slavery killed people and made their lives unbearable and based on what? The color of their skin. Slavery is always awful but it was hellishly awful in the US. You can tip toe around it any way you want but the underlying reason for succession was to protect this “right” that the Southern states felt was being threatened by the annexation of free states. Sure there were other quips but ENSLAVING a race of people was at the fore front. It is infuriating how people want to turn away from this fact. I have a theory. The Confederate flag is kind of cool looking. It has been used by rock bands and bad boys for decades. I think it is getting a free ride on it’s aesthetic appeal.
    [/QUOTE]
    Yep. fair play – slavery is abhorrent. However, we all know who the biggest ‘consumer’ of slavery was, right? Should they also remove their flag in shame? Slavery was one majorly wrong aspect of a region, but not related to the flag. Let us not forget that the North also had slaves – right? They just decided it was wrong sooner, and got on their holier-than-thou horse about it sooner, as the British did before that. Brazil was late to the party, as ever. As for flags being used by bad boy bands – the only album I can think of with a US flag on it it is Bruce Springsteen. He’s a bad-ass for sure, and that is not the Confederate Flag.

    [/QUOTE]
    I get what you are saying but that flag was created solely because of a desire to maintain slavery. That’s why I think it should go. I just did a Google search and it seems that Germany had that bird symbol (sorry Germans for the crass description) and continue to use it today. But the abhorrent Nazi symbolism has been abolished.
    I admit this line of thought is a little all over the place but my point is (and I have a feeling it is not coming out clear at all) countries can make mistakes and maintain their symbols but when a certain symbol is directly linked to an atrocity, it should be tossed.
    Also, isn’t is a little treasonous to want t break off and start your own country? Therefore, forget the slave aspect, it represents treason, really.
    With all this said, I could care less really. I heard a comedian put it best and it’s not even funny. Symbols only have power if you give them power.

  • #276333

    Socorro
    Member

    [QUOTE=Gringo.Serrano]
    My favorite flag is the Gadsden flag; a coiled rattlesnake, ready to strike, with the words “Don’t Tread On Me”.
    Yet it too was recently hijacked, by the ultra-conservative Tea Party.¬† Bummer, because it’s nonetheless an awesome flag!

    @grantham Bourne: The alternative media is reporting the Charleston shooter’s original target was a school, and not the AME church.¬† Is the MainStreamMedia there on The Fazenda still trying to spin this as race related?
    [/QUOTE]
    Gringo.Serrano, the medias story is this: young, disaffected white man, with racist ideas and motives to start a race war in the USA, goes into historic black church in Charleston, attends bible study group as a visitor, members warmly welcome him in, sits for a looooong time, gets up and shoots the church members, some of which were very prominent members of the black community.(this was an elite black church). Including clementa Pinckney, apparently he was an important man. Photos later surface of this young man posing with the confederate flag, the apartheid era south African flag, and the pre- Zimbabwe Rhodesian flag. He is quoted as saying there’s a problem with race in this country, and he wanted to do something about it, because no one else would, they just talked about doing something, but never acted. Stuff like this is not new, as we have seen in Norway, with anders breivik. And there are MANY serious racists out there, just go to the stormfront website, I’ve visited that site many times, some of what they say is intelligent, but they still think Nordics are the most superior people in the world. I won’t comment on that. That is what the mainstream media reports, I don’t doubt much of it, because I don’t think they would seriously be in the business of fabricating parts of this story, or the entire thing, just to create racial divisions themselves. I know the “liberal” media sensationalizes many things to turn people’s heads and make them hate conservatives, but this story rings more true than not. This man was dead set on the church, I don’t see how he initially would target a school, then change his mind, or be obstructed in that first plan and then decide to target this church, I just don’t see how that could happen given the facts in this case.

  • #276335

    lilina
    Member

    I like the Confederate Flag and if people of color have a problem so what.

  • #276337

    Steven
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Freddy79]I like the Confederate Flag and if people of color have a problem so what.[/QUOTE]

    Hmmm. Starting with the Grantham baiting, are we?
  • #276338

    I don’t like the Confederate Flag and if people without melanin have a problem, so what.

  • #276339

    Deb&Ger
    Member

    [QUOTE=Freddy79] I like the Confederate Flag and if people of color have a problem so what.[/QUOTE]
    Lol hopefully you’re joking. The only heritage the flag has is one built on slavery. Like it’s so associated with hatred and racism that since the swastika is banned in most of Europe, neo-nazis use the confederate flag as their symbol. Even Robert E Lee rejected the flag after the war and asked to not have the flag displayed at his funeral since he found the flag to be a sign of treason. The only reason someone would defend the flag is either because they’re just really stupid or really racist (they go hand in hand)

  • #276340

    lilina
    Member

    You are wrong on all points.

  • #276341

    Deb&Ger
    Member

    [QUOTE=Freddy79] You are wrong on all points.[/QUOTE]
    Funny how white people get all defensive when black people bring up slavery and say “move on!! It was our ancestors not us” but yet they’re the ones who refuse to move on about a stupid flag.

  • #276349

    @freddy – You do know that this is a forum about Brazil (which is FULL of Black people), and not Stormfront, right? If you do not like Black people, you should definitely live in Finland or Connecticut. Definitely don’t go to Brazil Wink

  • #276350

    Steven
    Participant

    [QUOTE=bbrasileira]@Freddy – You do know that this is a forum about Brazil (which is FULL of Black people), and not Stormfront, right? If you do not like Black people, you should definitely live in Finland or Connecticut. Definitely don’t go to Brazil Wink[/QUOTE]

    There are plenty of Black people in Connecticut. It’s just that they live in Bridgeport with the Latins instead of in Westport with the White people.
  • #276357

    @ Steven – The true numbers do not really matter, with regard to the conversation/trolling. I was making a rhetorical argument that is typical in classical debate. In truth, though, it doesn’t really matter what Fredy chooses to do. He will most definitely lose at the game of life. It seems that he has already lostSmile

  • #276361

    lilina
    Member

    I grew up with blacks so I know all about them and as far as black Brasilians I ignore and avoid them like cow manure.

  • #276376

    Actually, if people did their research, they’d discover that the Confederate flag was just ONE of thousands of flags used by the Confederate military.
    I’m from the South. According to my DNA results, I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for a slave woman. I also have ancestors that fought on both sides of the war. I can’t understand why people hate the flag so much, nor the reason why so many people in the South like that flag so much. Hello! the South lost the war.

  • #276401

    Anonymous

    What I don`t get is why people OUTSIDE the south love the flag so much. Rural areas of the US northeast, you see that flag everywhere. Then again, people are always looking for their own tribe, and for the gun-totin roadkill-eatin nickelback-listening redneck there aren’t too many options that come with flags.

  • #276403

    Socorro
    Member

    The way I see the flag, and the use of it today, is this: this is a sign of resistance, defiance, of a region that was extremely politically incorrect in the 1860s, and just downright abusive of blacks, native Americans, and even some whites. To me, it is a signal of people who harbor hate towards the rest of the nation, to the north especially, and to the modern age. These people don’t want to move into the 21st century, they don’t want to live in a democracy, they take pride in offending others, they take pride in being distasteful, they take pride in being a thorn in the rest of the nations side. I mean, all I need to do is look at who is defending the flag. Rednecks and white trash. Need I say any more as to why this flag should not be used officially by any government entity, to represent itself? It is an offense to black people, to sensible white people, to recent immigrants to the south who have no history in the south, to the rest of the nation, to the modern age, to the rest of the respectable world, and to everyone everywhere who considers themselves intelligent. There are millions of immigrants from outside the USA who have arrived to live in the south and to whom the confederate flag has no cultural relevance: east Asians, south Asians, middle easterners, Europeans, Africans, Latinos, southeast Asians, etc. None of them feels that this stupid flag represents them. It only represents those white southerners whose ancestors fought for the wrong, and losing, side in the civil war. History is done, the south takes its directions from Washington DC, we are all a part of the same federation, and that’s the USA!!!

  • #276407

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Bourne]The way I see the flag, etc, etc [/QUOTE]

    The voice of bigoted intolerancecan have its parallels to Bourne’s rant:

    The way I seeChristianity, and its practice today is this: this is a sign of resistance anddefiance of a group that was extremely politically incorrect during thecenturies and just downright abusive of blacks, whose original beliefs havebeen forced from memory, native-Americans and even most whites. To me, it is asignal of people who harbour hate towards the rest of the nation and to themodern age. These people didn’t want to move into the 20th least the 21st century,they don’t want to live in a free-thinking democracy, they take pride inoffending others and they take pride in being distasteful. They take pride inbeing a thorn in the rest of the nation’s side. I mean, all I need to do is lookat who is defending the church. Rednecks and both white and black trash. Need Isay any more as to why this religious group should not be tolerated officiallyby any government entity to represent itself? [In God we trust] It is anoffense to all intelligent people, to recent immigrants who have no history ofthis nonsense, to the rest of the nation, to the modern age, to the rest of atolerant and respectable world and to everyone everywhere who considerthemselves enlightened. There are millions of immigrants from outside the USAwho have arrived and to whom Christianity has no cultural relevance: EastAsians, south Asians, middle easterners, Europeans, Africans, Latinos,southeast Asians, etc. None of them feel that this mythology represents them.It only represents the unthinking whose ancestors were born into a beliefsystem. History is done, the people should take direction from Washington DCand the Constitution â‚Ǩ separating church from state. We are all a part of thesame federation, and that’s the USA!!!

  • #276408

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Esprit][QUOTE=Bourne]The way I see the flag, etc, etc [/QUOTE]

    The voice of bigoted intolerancecan have its parallels to Bourne’s rant:

    The way I seeChristianity, and its practice today is this: this is a sign of resistance anddefiance of a group that was extremely politically incorrect during thecenturies and just downright abusive of blacks, whose original beliefs havebeen forced from memory, native-Americans and even most whites. To me, it is asignal of people who harbour hate towards the rest of the nation and to themodern age. These people didn’t want to move into the 20th least the 21st century,they don’t want to live in a free-thinking democracy, they take pride inoffending others and they take pride in being distasteful. They take pride inbeing a thorn in the rest of the nation’s side. I mean, all I need to do is lookat who is defending the church. Rednecks and both white and black trash. Need Isay any more as to why this religious group should not be tolerated officiallyby any government entity to represent itself? [In God we trust] It is anoffense to all intelligent people, to recent immigrants who have no history ofthis nonsense, to the rest of the nation, to the modern age, to the rest of atolerant and respectable world and to everyone everywhere who considerthemselves enlightened. There are millions of immigrants from outside the USAwho have arrived and to whom Christianity has no cultural relevance: EastAsians, south Asians, middle easterners, Europeans, Africans, Latinos,southeast Asians, etc. None of them feel that this mythology represents them.It only represents the unthinking whose ancestors were born into a beliefsystem. History is done, the people should take direction from Washington DCand the Constitution â‚Ǩ separating church from state. We are all a part of thesame federation, and that’s the USA!!!

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    I hope all is well with you, amigo! Hug

  • #276410

    miguel
    Participant

    [QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=Esprit][QUOTE=Bourne]The way I see the flag, etc, etc [/QUOTE]

    The voice of bigoted intolerancecan have its parallels to Bourne’s rant:

    The way I seeChristianity, and its practice today is this: this is a sign of resistance anddefiance of a group that was extremely politically incorrect during thecenturies and just downright abusive of blacks, whose original beliefs havebeen forced from memory, native-Americans and even most whites. To me, it is asignal of people who harbour hate towards the rest of the nation and to themodern age. These people didn’t want to move into the 20th least the 21st century,they don’t want to live in a free-thinking democracy, they take pride inoffending others and they take pride in being distasteful. They take pride inbeing a thorn in the rest of the nation’s side. I mean, all I need to do is lookat who is defending the church. Rednecks and both white and black trash. Need Isay any more as to why this religious group should not be tolerated officiallyby any government entity to represent itself? [In God we trust] It is anoffense to all intelligent people, to recent immigrants who have no history ofthis nonsense, to the rest of the nation, to the modern age, to the rest of atolerant and respectable world and to everyone everywhere who considerthemselves enlightened. There are millions of immigrants from outside the USAwho have arrived and to whom Christianity has no cultural relevance: EastAsians, south Asians, middle easterners, Europeans, Africans, Latinos,southeast Asians, etc. None of them feel that this mythology represents them.It only represents the unthinking whose ancestors were born into a beliefsystem. History is done, the people should take direction from Washington DCand the Constitution â‚Ǩ separating church from state. We are all a part of thesame federation, and that’s the USA!!!

    [/QUOTE]
    I hope all is well with you, amigo! Hug
    [/QUOTE]
    Indeed! And your wit has been sorely missed around here. Even sporadic contributions would provide munition for fellow members not to turn off the lights just yet on this site ….

  • #276413

    Serrano
    Participant

    [QUOTE=miguel][QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=Esprit]

    The voice of bigoted intolerancecan have its parallels to Bourne’s rant: [/QUOTE]

    I hope all is well with you, amigo! Hug
    [/QUOTE]
    Indeed! And your wit has been sorely missed around here. Even sporadic contributions would provide munition for fellow members not to turn off the lights just yet on this site ….
    [/QUOTE]
    And that’s a +100 from me!!! Indeed, welcome back Esprit! Clap
    If personal situations keep your time limited here, we all understand (and we hope all things are going as well as possible). Yet as Miguel stated, “even sporadic contributions” would provide us some intellectual sustenance, in this growing wasteland of sock puppet drivel about their co-dependent dysfunctional relationships, and their succession of failures to cut the mustard in the land of ‘Ordem e Progresso’.
    Gringo.Serrano2015-07-22 09:28:27

  • #276416

    Anonymous

    Indeed, Esprit, hope you and your family are doing well.

  • #276418

    graham
    Participant

    Esprit – appearances…sometimes, often memorable are good. may your challenges be light and your heart always full.

  • #276419

    Anonymous

    Ms Keller nailed it whenshe wrote, “Walking with a friend in the dark is better than walking alone inthe light.”

    Thank you guys!

  • #276420

    agri2001
    Participant

    You`re back….. That is indeed great news and hope your wife is getting better.

  • #276427

    Anonymous

    So glad to see esprit here again. We all wish the best for you and your wife, may you stay for many years to come.

  • #276434

    ffm
    Member

    Funny, the title of this thread is “Gratham is back” but the real excitement came when we saw that “Esprit is back”!
    I’ll say it again, wishing you the best.

  • #276438

    Anonymous

    All of us have, in oneway or another, discovered that Brazil can flaunt its inconsistencies in a bizarrerange of paradoxes that often defy reason and logic leaving one frothing at themouth and trying hard not to break the 5thCommandment [Thou shallnot kill]. With this in mind I feel obliged to offer Brazil some rare andheart-felt praise where praise maybe overdue:

    Yes, my wife has healthinsurance yet given the vagaries of such policies that are subject to theaforementioned Brazilian foibles, such insurance does not adequately compensatesome specialists and in particular, neurologists and neurosurgeons who todayinsist on cash payment from the patient. So, following a range of expensive testsand scans, my wife was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis; an incurable and insidiousdisease that, depending on its whim, can severely compromise the body, crippleor kill it â‚Ǩ thank you Jesus.

    She endured a week inhospital during which she was treated with corticosteroids which play havocwith the body and requires constant monitoring of blood levels and qualityduring such treatment. Once home again no further treatments are required otherthan the self-injection, on alternate days, with the drug “Betaferon” [Betainterferona1b]. And here I get to the point where praise is due to Brazil: Unlike anyother first world country that I know of, this expensive drug is provided freeto all patients at a cost of approximately R$3000 each and every month for life- thank you Brazil. So you see, not everything is greed and corruption in thisdiamond encrusted dog turd.

  • #276441

    Anonymous

    So glad to hear that things are going well for you and for her. Being able to have access to drugs you need is indeed a blessing, free of charge is even better. We often joke about “your tax dollars at work” when we see our money wasted on stupid projects, but it is glad to know that some things are indeed functioning where they are needed.

  • #276443

    Silpy Gomden
    Member

    Some history you may not know about the War of Secession:

  • #276446

    Serrano
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Esprit]Once home again no further treatments are required otherthan the self-injection, on alternate days, with the drug “Betaferon” [Betainterferona1b]. And here I get to the point where praise is due to Brazil: Unlike anyother first world country that I know of, this expensive drug is provided freeto all patients at a cost of approximately R$3000 each and every month for life- thank you Brazil. So you see, not everything is greed and corruption in thisdiamond encrusted dog turd. [/QUOTE]
    And may Brasil never allows itself to be roped in by Tio Sam into something like the recently passed TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership), which was kept secret, until Wikileaks blew it’s cover. Big pharma would assuredly stop such programs!
    Thanks for the great report Esprit.

  • #28504

    Ligia
    Member

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