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  • #270134

    Anonymous

    I have been noticing lately that Brazilian women – sometimes hot, sometimes not – LOVE them some ugly foreign men!! It is the strangest thing I’ve ever seen! Every now and then, I will meet a fellow gringo male who is decent looking and not a loser, but it is very, very rare. These men are usually WAAAY past their prime. Sometimes they have money and sometimes they don’t. But the women seem really devoted to them and willing to have children with them, even if they are pushing 70 or 80. In their own countries, many of these men would be considered unattractive or just flat out losers. But here, they are treated fairly well. I have also seen a lot of Brazilian women finding unattractive or senior citizen men through the internet and marrying them. But when I talk to some of the women, they claim it is real love. I don’t think I am any more shallow than any other person, and definitely do not believe all these women are deeply in love with these gimpy men. What is up with this?? Could it be because of pressure from society to be married? Is it is because “foreign” = “better” (at least in their minds)?? This isn’t really a frustration – just a curiosity!

  • #270138

    celso
    Member

    Michele Temer, Vice President of Brazil is about 70 years old. Married a twenty year old swimsuit model in his late sixties. Brazilian men marrying much younger women is a local thing. Temer and wife, four decades younger have kids and he is running with Dilma for reelection.
    I have a Brazilian neighbor in his seventies who married a sixteen year old. They have a few kids.

  • #270141

    Finrudd
    Participant

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]
    I have a Brazilian neighbor in his seventies who married a sixteen year old. They have a few kids.[/QUOTE]

    That seems wrong. Did she remind him of his grand-daughter from a previous marriage? Confused
    Seriously, what parent would want for their sixteen year old daughter to marry someone potentially older than their own parents and nearer in age to their own grandparents? Unless she is taking one for the team, and marrying an old General with a great pension that gets passed onto the wife for the rest of her life, as military pensions seem to…
  • #270143

    Anonymous

    i don’t know, i think it’s pragmatic. in many case she may indeed be taking it for the team (her kids, her family).

    maybe the issue is our own fear of aging and old people, at least in the US. And the ugly thing, well, it all seems to be relative.
  • #270146

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira]I have been noticing lately that Brazilian women – sometimes hot, sometimes not – LOVE them some ugly foreign men!! It is the strangest thing I’ve ever seen! Every now and then, I will meet a fellow gringo male who is decent looking and not a loser, but it is very, very rare. These men are usually WAAAY past their prime. Sometimes they have money and sometimes they don’t. But the women seem really devoted to them and willing to have children with them, even if they are pushing 70 or 80. In their own countries, many of these men would be considered unattractive or just flat out losers. But here, they are treated fairly well. I have also seen a lot of Brazilian women finding unattractive or senior citizen men through the internet and marrying them. But when I talk to some of the women, they claim it is real love. I don’t think I am any more shallow than any other person, and definitely do not believe all these women are deeply in love with these gimpy men. What is up with this?? Could it be because of pressure from society to be married? Is it is because “foreign” = “better” (at least in their minds)?? This isn’t really a frustration – just a curiosity![/QUOTE]
    Maybe these girls don’t have all that much money and they would rather take a foreigner Gramps instead of a João Manì©. Brazil isn’t all that easy to survive in. You can buy what with a minimum wage?
    Women have been using their bodies to get what they want since when?

  • #270154

    Steven
    Participant

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira]I have been noticing lately that Brazilian women – sometimes hot, sometimes not – LOVE them some ugly foreign men!! It is the strangest thing I’ve ever seen! Every now and then, I will meet a fellow gringo male who is decent looking and not a loser, but it is very, very rare. These men are usually WAAAY past their prime. Sometimes they have money and sometimes they don’t. But the women seem really devoted to them and willing to have children with them, even if they are pushing 70 or 80. In their own countries, many of these men would be considered unattractive or just flat out losers. But here, they are treated fairly well. I have also seen a lot of Brazilian women finding unattractive or senior citizen men through the internet and marrying them. But when I talk to some of the women, they claim it is real love. I don’t think I am any more shallow than any other person, and definitely do not believe all these women are deeply in love with these gimpy men. What is up with this?? Could it be because of pressure from society to be married? Is it is because “foreign” = “better” (at least in their minds)?? This isn’t really a frustration – just a curiosity![/QUOTE]

    I think that it’s a Latin thing. No doubt in my mind that I see more young Brazileiras with their sugar daddies than in other countries. (Not only gringo sugar daddies – they love their pudgy old Brazilian men too). But I also see the same thing in Italy during my visits and in the Latin American countries. I don’t think that I see quite as much of this in the northern European countries or the U.S. The Chinese have a more practical approach – the old tycoons stay with their old wives but keep a young second wife on the side (that’s what they call them – their second wife).
  • #270156

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    Is this copypasta? I’ve lived in five countries in the last 7 years, and I see this thread on the local forums of every one of them.

    Here, the women look a little more closely at the future. A guy with a good degree and a steady income in a growing industry is a lot more attractive here than in Cleveland.
  • #270158

    vcbkol
    Member

    As usual, a very, but very annoying presence and tone, miss Bama. Whatever. Maybe it will enlighten you the fact that the pressure of the society does not work on the boyzinhos who are living with their parents until they are 40 something and having good stable jobs.

    Also, I don-t get it why you push it so much on a website where many gringos are trying to have a break from Brazilians. Better said, from the vast majority of the annoying ones, just like you. And you may be more honest and objective and to put in the matter the dichotomy (imposed by your own people) – poor/not poor.
    It-s pretty simple. This sort of ‘love’ does manifest all over the world. Big deal. As it-s very obvious in the first place, many do this form of prostitution obviously for money and to escape from some sort of misery. Others may simply like and want older partners. But how you get in love online, only you may know.
    And, more important, most of the Brazilian men(middle class and richer) are hardcore cheaters, pedos, lazy ass basterds, tyrannic figures, they do not cook, they do not help with cleaning, they do not wash their own unmentionables and judging by their posture and by their silly faces – you know who, those with glasses with a dumb face who walk like they have a stick up their ass. For sure the love life with a common middle class Brazilian is pretty much as in the street, where almost everyone is a crazy egoist, self centered and in the bed, my dear Bama, must be a hell of a boredom, having the lazy husband just using a position, finishing fast and sparing no carinho. So, maybe some educated, sensitive, caressing and helpful around gringos with a very nice paternal figure may be a better choice then a grumpy barigudo who never talks about a book, about a subject that does not imply football and food and about their stupid jobs.
    Very very, very raaare, you say, to meet a decent gringo, but you were saying that you-re married, so you-re checking out geezers in places where obviously is full of old sacks. Too bad that I have very rarely heard about cases where a Brazilian man gets married with a gringa. Especially some younger ones.
    And as it appears that you have been testing somehow the gringos, means that you can do this only after meeting closer some of them to be able to construct a comparison, right? And even if you appear to dare to question other women about their choices, one of the main attributes that you have installed in your mind is MONEY . Whatever, maybe you are too busy to think about interesting subjects to post while your subjects may be simply looking for a paternal figure to fill the voids left by their fathers, if they met them.
  • #270163

    vcbkol
    Member

    For the rest of the peopel here who are not a Bama – please imagine if you want – this lady, with her palm around the hip and bragging about this in Portuguese…

    ‘ Gente, essas mulherzinhas sao pegando esses gringos velhos rabogentos! Meu Deus, esse mundo ta acabando meu, tem muita menina que ta dando para o gringo e quando eu faz pergunta, elas me fala que esse e o jeito de aprender um ingles, de falar ‘tchu’ e que o gringo e bem carinhoso e faz coisas que os nossos maridos nunca pensaram.
    ‘ce viu aquela gostosa, novinha, ela ta enchendo nosso saco, pegou o gringo e agora nao fala mais com a gente, oxxx, que isso gente, oxxx, eitcha parada, aquela piranha ta gostando de dar para o velho, NOSSA, que isso, oxx, deixo ver aqui num site do internetchy o que o povo acha desse bagulho errado, meu Deus, nossa, Senhora, coisa errada, ta tudo acabado com esse mundo filha!!
    E esses velhos safados, sem nocao, anda com a novinha fazendo essa parada na nossa frente, eu li na Veja e assistiu ao Globo que esse tipo de relacao e contra nos, assim que chega todos os gringos safados de pegar a nossa mina e de fazer coisa suja com ela, meu Deus, tou indignada moca, olha ai, que coisa mais doida, de ver o pai com a filha desfilando nums bares de noite enchendo o rabo de cachaca e de dar pra capeta,oxxxx, deve ser negocio de diabo e de gringo sem educacao, esse povo acha que o gringo ta melhor meu Deus, oxxx, deixo te falar uma coisa; esses gringos sao todos a mesma coisa gente, eles chega ai de pegar nossas minas e depois reclama que eles pegaram doencas no pintinho, oxxx, e todos deles se acha melhores. Deixo te falar uma coisa: meu Ze Povin nao e o melhor marido de mundo mas ele nao faz coisas desas de gringo, ele e muito educado, trabalha, ta dedicado a familha, e nao ta cacando a mulherada como esses gringos que tem suvaqueira e que sao todos ricos e burros. Oxxx
  • #270172

    Anonymous

    Interesting responses. I can definitely understand the hot chick with old guy who has money but is unattractive scenario, as most of the younger Brazilian men seem to suck in one way or another, unless they have lived outside of Brazil. My question was specifically about unattractive (by ANY stretch of the imagination) foreign men who also have no money! If it is cultural, though, I guess there might not be any explaining it. Thanks for the input anyway!

  • #270178

    Anonymous

    @GRINGOVACILAO- you are so hilariousLOLyou remind me of this cute little angry man I used to know when I lived in England. You are such a DIVA and I cannot help but to like you somehow, even I try really hard to hate you! Every time I read one of your posts, I shoot coffee out of my nose and show to my husband. I imagine that you are short, have dark hair with a little grey in it, and that you type angrily with one finger. Is it true??

  • #270184

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira]My question was specifically about unattractive (by ANY stretch of the imagination) foreign men who also have no money[/QUOTE]
    I don’t know where you’re seeing all these couples. It sucks to be poor here. If I were poor, I’d go back to America where the quality of life for poor people is a lot higher. Perhaps it’s your jealousy talking?
    Also yeah, probably the dusky maiden feels like an equal in a relationship with an ugly gringo, instead of his hired help baby maker while he goes out to the hookers. People like to be treated with respect, and Brazilian men, as a group, are weak in mind and spirit, with inferiority complexes the size of Christ the Redeemer, and they are shockingly disrespectful to everyone, double for the wife.
    Perhaps you should go find an ugly gringo.

  • #270191

    vcbkol
    Member

    Aff, I may be more of the Penguin Man like you say; this must be a shot for the survey of how the gringos are. Better imagine Dolph Lundgren(only that he-s handsome and much more smart than me) – when he was Ivan Drago – Brazilians love Rocky 1.

    Yes, but if you would have the chance to rip my eyes off after offending you repeatedly, for sure you would do it with a huge smile. Or you ask me about my physical characteristics to send that jagunco to show me some Brazilian problem solving.
    ANd you, miss Bama, let me see if I do better profiling than you, even if I did this already regarding you. SO, you are sort of a nerd Margareth Menezes, curly and with glasses in your 35’s, rubensian a bit after giving birth at least once, with a guttural voice and of 1.60 m height, dressing with large, sort of serious clothes but with a bit of a forced hippie aura, wearing gold ostentatiously but not much. Probably for some little period just before travelling out of Brazil you were into some funny lesbianism, catholic enough for the neighbors and a big fan of the student movements, once, now, a corporatist puppet, complexed by your beautiful skin and hair, obsessed with details for clothing and always changing your profile picture showing off each time how you have a new hair style and a new set of colored nails.
    For sure I pointed out much better than my Tiririca-alike description you have made just guessing.
  • #270194

    ffm
    Member

    When I visited João Pessoa I noticed a lot of horrid pasty gringos with locals. But the locals were NOT the hotties described in this thread! They were just as ugly as the gringos in tow. It was a strange scenario that repeated itself many times.

  • #270198

    Anonymous

    @OBviously – Definitely not jealous (cuz I am married to one of the “good” ones, whom I met when we were not living here)…just curious! Most of the foreign men that I know here who are living here permanently are not that attractive, AND they dont have a lot of resources. Also, they seem overly dependant on these women to solve all of their problems for them, so I was just wondering what was in it for the women. But you are correct about the quality of the men. I have heard and seen that the men of society very chauvanistic and such! So maybe it is enough for the women that these men are simply nice to them!

  • #270199

    Anonymous

    @gringovacilao – WOW! you were pretty spot on about some of those thingsLOLhave we met before?? I am happy to give your angry typing finger so much exercise lately!Wink

    Also, don’t be so naive about marriage and how we choose partners. Marriage is a business arrangement – especially here where the classism is rampant! If you are a woman who is the marrying kind, better to choose a partner with (1) resources (2) is decent human being and (3) isn’t quasimodo! If you are NOT interested in marriage and you are a woman who has her OWN money, then you may be only interested in # 2 and # 3. But if you are woman with no resources and your man has no resources AND he is 20 – 30 years older than you / not all that attractive, what are you left with?? I am sure that lots of people EVENTUALLY grow to “love” each other (or are simply attached to one another).
    The scenario here is just very different than the one I have observed in other places. In Thailand, I ALWAYS saw young chicks with RICH older/unattractive gringoes. But I am not accustomed to unattractive men who also do not have any resources AND who are overly dependant on their women being attractive to said women. But I have seen this scenario played out in the lower class, middle class, and “slightly upper” middle class, and usually, the women are substantially more attractive than the men. I am a sociologist, so this type of thing is kind of interesting to meSmile

    bamabrasileira2014-09-18 11:11:45

  • #270200

    Anonymous

    @Abbott – yes, I have also witnessed this “lowered expectations” scenario. It is obvious why THESE couples are together. I have also seen 2 “pool boy” scenarios – once with an old British man, and one with an older French woman – where they have these hot guys go to their houses to clean up and ..er…”service” them. THIS, I even understand! And I am understanding the answer to my original question better as well, as people here remind me of some of the challenges of dating locally!

  • #270206

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira] @OBviously – Definitely not jealous (cuz I am married to one of the “good” ones, whom I met when we were not living here)…just curious! Most of the foreign men that I know here who are living here permanently are not that attractive, AND they dont have a lot of resources. Also, they seem overly dependant on these women to solve all of their problems for them, so I was just wondering what was in it for the women. But you are correct about the quality of the men. I have heard and seen that the men of society ¬†very chauvanistic and such! So maybe it is enough for the women that these men are simply nice to them![/QUOTE]
    Well yeah, contrary to popular belief, women are people, and they prefer an ugly, respectful guy to a guy with the personality of a cartoon character.
    Something else: Gringoes are a *lot* more marketable and hold the promise of a way better future than the average Brazilian man. Why would she get involved with someone whose salary tops out at r$5k? I’ve seen professional jobs make less than that, and never in my career have I worked for that little. Not even fresh out of college in the 90s . There’s just no opportunity here.

  • #270212

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]
    Well yeah, contrary to popular belief, women are people, and they prefer an ugly, respectful guy to a guy with the personality of a cartoon character.
    Something else: Gringoes are a *lot* more marketable and hold the promise of a way better future than the average Brazilian man. Why would she get involved with someone whose salary tops out at r$5k? I’ve seen professional jobs make less than that, and never in my career have I worked for that little. Not even fresh out of college in the 90s . There’s just no opportunity here. [/QUOTE]

    LOL! Yes, we are people too! And I can definitely see the “opportunity” aspect that you have pointed out. I have not brought the issue to Brazilian friends because it would obviously be quite insulting. But I can see what you are talking about. I had not considered how deeply the chauvinism goes or how bad sh*t can be outside of the more developed cities!
  • #270214

    vcbkol
    Member
  • #270218

    [QUOTE=gringovacilao]For the rest of the peopel here who are not a Bama – please imagine if you want – this lady, with her palm around the hip and bragging about this in Portuguese…

    ‘ Gente, essas mulherzinhas sao pegando esses gringos velhos rabogentos! Meu Deus, esse mundo ta acabando meu, tem muita menina que ta dando para o gringo e quando eu faz pergunta, elas me fala que esse e o jeito de aprender um ingles, de falar ‘tchu’ e que o gringo e bem carinhoso e faz coisas que os nossos maridos nunca pensaram.
    ‘ce viu aquela gostosa, novinha, ela ta enchendo nosso saco, pegou o gringo e agora nao fala mais com a gente, oxxx, que isso gente, oxxx, eitcha parada, aquela piranha ta gostando de dar para o velho, NOSSA, que isso, oxx, deixo ver aqui num site do internetchy o que o povo acha desse bagulho errado, meu Deus, nossa, Senhora, coisa errada, ta tudo acabado com esse mundo filha!!
    E esses velhos safados, sem nocao, anda com a novinha fazendo essa parada na nossa frente, eu li na Veja e assistiu ao Globo que esse tipo de relacao e contra nos, assim que chega todos os gringos safados de pegar a nossa mina e de fazer coisa suja com ela, meu Deus, tou indignada moca, olha ai, que coisa mais doida, de ver o pai com a filha desfilando nums bares de noite enchendo o rabo de cachaca e de dar pra capeta,oxxxx, deve ser negocio de diabo e de gringo sem educacao, esse povo acha que o gringo ta melhor meu Deus, oxxx, deixo te falar uma coisa; esses gringos sao todos a mesma coisa gente, eles chega ai de pegar nossas minas e depois reclama que eles pegaram doencas no pintinho, oxxx, e todos deles se acha melhores. Deixo te falar uma coisa: meu Ze Povin nao e o melhor marido de mundo mas ele nao faz coisas desas de gringo, ele e muito educado, trabalha, ta dedicado a familha, e nao ta cacando a mulherada como esses gringos que tem suvaqueira e que sao todos ricos e burros. Oxxx

    [/QUOTE]
    Muito bem dito, Gringo.
    No Brasil, a sexualidade ì© muito paradoxal. Os homens brasileiros são muito mais conservadores do que vocì™ imagina, e muito ciumentos tambì©m. Muitos acham que mulher ì© objeto.
    O que acontece ì© que, muitas vezes, o “gringo” mais feio ì© muito mais respeitoso com a mulher â‚Ǩ independentemente do que ela veste. Não digo que o dinheiro não compra certas pessoas, mas não ser tratado como objeto ou um animal selvagem certamente conta muitos pontos a seu favor.

  • #270252

    I remember going to the beach between Rio and SP and seeing a lot of middle-aged, unattractive, Skol-bellied Brazilian guys with cute, skinny girlfriends half their age. I remarked on it to some female friends who were with my wife and I at the time, saying that you didn’t see this kind of pairing so much anymore in Europe or the US. All of the women explained that this phenomenon was because so many Brazilian men were “going gay” in their words, “it’s a really big problem here”. In their view, for a younger Brazilian woman, the pickin’s are gettin’ slim!

  • #270253

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    [QUOTE=donpelon415] I remember going to the beach between Rio and SP and seeing a lot of middle-aged, unattractive, Skol-bellied Brazilian guys with cute, skinny girlfriends half their age. I remarked on it to some female friends who were with my wife and I at the time, saying that you didn’t see this kind of pairing so much anymore in Europe or the US. All of the women explained that this phenomenon was because so many Brazilian men were “going gay” in their words, “it’s a really big problem here”. In their view, for a younger Brazilian woman, the pickin’s are gettin’ slim![/QUOTE]
    I just cringed so hard when I read that.

  • #270255

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=donpelon415]I remember going to the beach between Rio and SP and seeing a lot of middle-aged, unattractive, Skol-bellied Brazilian guys with cute, skinny girlfriends half their age. I remarked on it to some female friends who were with my wife and I at the time, saying that you didn’t see this kind of pairing so much anymore in Europe or the US. All of the women explained that this phenomenon was because so many Brazilian men were “going gay” in their words, “it’s a really big problem here”. In their view, for a younger Brazilian woman, the pickin’s are gettin’ slim![/QUOTE]

    I have heard this too, AND I have heard that a lot of “straight” dudes here like to creep on the DownLow (i.e. have sex with other men even though they are married with kids and all that). But I didn’t know that the issue was THAT bad!
  • #270256

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira] I have heard this too, AND I have heard that a lot of “straight” dudes here like to creep on the DownLow (i.e. have sex with other men even though they are married with kids and all that). But I didn’t know that the issue was THAT bad![/QUOTE]
    The easiest thing for a gay man is to go to a hookup bar and get laid. He’s gay and can have as much anonymous sex as he wants with whoever he wants, and there’s no real stigma there (beyond the fact he’s a slut). No way he would ever have a need to pay for sex. So why are there so many male for male prostitutes?

  • #270257

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]
    The easiest thing for a gay man is to go to a hookup bar and get laid. He’s gay and can have as much anonymous sex as he wants with whoever he wants, and there’s no real stigma there (beyond the fact he’s a slut). No way he would ever have a need to pay for sex. So why are there so many male for male prostitutes? [/QUOTE]

    I have commented before about the “fluidity” of Brazilian sexuality – particularly regarding the men. I tend to focus more on the female perspective, since I’m a woman. But when I stop to think about it, I can see that they seem to be into ALL things sex, in any way, shape, or form. Communities tend to be small here, so it is probably safer for “straight” dudes to pay someone, rather than risk being seen in a gay bar. People say that Brazil is not tolerant of gay people, but I think they are over compensating because so many of them are closet homsexual/bi-sexual/trisexual/pansexual men. Women seem to have a bit of this fluidity too, but it is definitely not expressed as strongly as with the men.
  • #270258

    Lot of transsexual street walkers in Brazil too. Seems like often the majority of the “working girls” you see out at night are not quite what they seem. They clearly must fulfill some niche market…

  • #270268

    celso
    Member

    The saying goes that sex with a tranny is not homosexual. Strange Brazilian thinking. I saw many beautiful trannies around USP in Butata. Not my cup of tea but fun to look at.

  • #270279

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira][QUOTE=donpelon415]I remember going to the beach between Rio and SP and seeing a lot of middle-aged, unattractive, Skol-bellied Brazilian guys with cute, skinny girlfriends half their age. I remarked on it to some female friends who were with my wife and I at the time, saying that you didn’t see this kind of pairing so much anymore in Europe or the US. All of the women explained that this phenomenon was because so many Brazilian men were “going gay” in their words, “it’s a really big problem here”. In their view, for a younger Brazilian woman, the pickin’s are gettin’ slim![/QUOTE]

    I have heard this too, AND I have heard that a lot of “straight” dudes here like to creep on the DownLow (i.e. have sex with other men even though they are married with kids and all that). But I didn’t know that the issue was THAT bad!

    [/QUOTE]

    I’ll pile on here. I have heard this as well! I think Globo must have told them this and they all bit.
  • #270289

    Is he related to Marina? They’re so predictable and actually believe in all that even when they’re stealing.

  • #270299

    doctorlili
    Member

    The idea that many Brazilian men would turn gay would be a very interesting phenomenon if true. but I doubt it is true, some Brazilians seem rather obsessed with the subject.

    From my own observations I think there is an observer bias in what the thread title describes. Often what is described as cute girls is 35 year old women close to their initial expiry date of cuteness.
    I don’t have a beer belly so I don’t quite fit that description either, but I know full well male observers tend to look down on other males and describe them in negative terms.
    And it doesn’t just apply to gringos as was already described. Of course when you are on Copacabana beach you will see pairings where some greater amount of “interesse” on her side has helped forge the pairing.
    But overall, it is natural that younger women pair with older men. My new and marvelous girlfriend is confirming that for herself. It is actually a late doctrine of western decadent idiocy that looks down on couples where he is much older. It’s idiotic because it is much better for all that way.

    Squiddie2014-09-21 17:14:31

  • #270300

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]The idea that many Brazilian men would turn gay would be a very interesting phenomenon if true. but I doubt it is true, some Brazilians seem rather obsessed with the subject.

    From my own observations I think there is an observer bias in what the thread title describes. Often what is described as cute girls is 35 year old women close to their initial expiry date of cuteness.
    I don’t have a beer belly so I don’t quite fit that description either, but I know full well male observers tend to look down on other males and describe them in negative terms.
    And it doesn’t just apply to gringos as was already described. Of course when you are on Copacabana beach you will see pairings where some greater amount of “interesse” on her side has helped forge the pairing.
    But overall, it is natural that younger women pair with older men. My new and marvelous girlfriend is confirming that for herself. It is actually a late doctrine of western decadent idiocy that looks down on couples where he is much older. It’s idiotic because it is much better for all that way.

    [/QUOTE]

    I am actually a North American woman with these views. I do not “look down” on anyone-per se. I am just from a place where women have more equality in the society and where the pickens are not SO slim for women. I would not marry a man who was 15+ years older than me, or someone who was not attractive UNLESS he ALSO had resources (unless, of course, I were rich myself :-) ) The majority of the “western”, professional women I know would also prefer to stay single, rather be married with “just some guy.” So I was surprised that I have observed so many Brazilian women marrying foreign men who are old, often unattractive in any sense of the word (like 2s and 3s if we were using the same scale men use to rate women), AND they have no money!!
    I think the commenters on this forum have shed interesting, and probably accurate, light on the subject, though. They have observed that younger men in Brazil tend to be immature, chauvinists who disrespect women, are often closeted homosexuals, and who often cheat on the women. The women are, I guess, sort of expected to stay at home and be married, and that’s it. The men on this forum have highlighted that with a foreign man, at least the women have a chance to be treated well – even if the man is old, unattractive, or has no money – which they would not normally have the chance to experience with a typical Brazilian man. I have observed that a LOT of the Brazilian men in my area are gay or bisexual, there are more women than men in general, and that there is a undue amount of pressure on women to be married with at least 1 kid before the age of 30.
    There is also an assumption in Brazil that, if it is American, Canadian, or European, it is “better” automatically. I knew most of the things before, but had not quite connected all the dots, and did not know the grim reality for Brazilian women, until I started this thread.
  • #270316

    You’re definitely correct, that when it comes to foreign anything (cars, handbags, even boyfriends), there is the conscious or subconscious assumption that it is “better quality”. Hence we see Brazzers paying 4x the price for a pink Polo shirt with a little horseman on the chest…

  • #270317

    doctorlili
    Member

    What “grim reality” befalls women in Brazil? What feminist humbug is that?

  • #270321

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]What “grim reality” befalls women in Brazil? What feminist humbug is that? [/QUOTE]

    Oh GOD! A men’s rights activist! I advise you to read the whole thread, which contains a lot of input from men in Brazil, to gain a better understanding of the “grim reality” of the dating scene for women in Brazil. I only wanted to know why Brazilian women are willing to get with dudes that seem like losers in my society. And the dudes on this board have pointed out that it’s because Brazilian men are even bigger losers. And one should note that I have not made a sweeping statement that says “all foreign men married to Brazilian women are losers.” I am referring to a specific segment of the population.
  • #270325

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira]
    […]
    The men on this forum have highlighted that with a foreign man, at least the women have a chance to be treated well – even if the man is old, unattractive, or has no money – which they would not normally have the chance to experience with a typical Brazilian man. I have observed that a LOT of the Brazilian men in my area are gay or bisexual, there are more women than men in general, and that there is a undue amount of pressure on women to be married with at least 1 kid before the age of 30.
    [/QUOTE]
    Well, to be fair, Brazil has always been hypocritical about sexuality, even 30-40 years ago; in fact, back then it was even truer the saying “I’m not gay if I’m having sex with a tranny.” Guys would even brag they were the top of the relationship!
    The issue with men is a series of issues: Brazil’s birth rate has decreased a lot, crime has increased (killing more men), and gay men don’t feel as forced to live in a closet as they did in the past, which means they are less likely to marry. This is why there seems to be a “lack” of men.
    The reason young women search older partners is simply because, closeted gays or not, men tend to give up on the “macho” attitude as they age â‚Ǩ or at least soften about it. Usually, they have married before and probably have kids, so they have “proved” themselves to society.
    Older guys also tend to be more economically stable, so even if they still act macho, they’re a nice “option” for women that can’t work due to lack of opportunity (or simply won’t). If not a way to earn an income, it’s at least a way to increase what you already have. Plus, if you have an older, gay guy, he might be more than happy to marry someone and live a convenience marriage.

  • #270343

    doctorlili
    Member

    ^^ there is a lot of bs assumptions in this.
    I conversed with my 16 year younger GF about this issue with gays and she says she knows a lot of bisexual men, even estimated 60% from her window as a cabalereira talking with a bunch of people. I am questioning the 60% but there is something I have also observed in India. It seems like in societies where women (mothers) have groomed and selected men a lot to be machos may be that is where you have this issue. Ancient Greece also had it. I have no explanation ready but its interesting.

    And of course it’s humbug to assume women are victim in this or any society. Since they are the mothers who groom their boys and the mothers who select the fathers. Etc. etc. There is no way they can complain about macho attitude if that is, apparently, what works. Women stay with older men because it is economically advantageous. And because older men who are available become selective and invite younger women. It’s how life works.
  • #270345

    ffm
    Member

    These guys must be REAL “down low” with their dealings because in my 6 years here I have not met one bisexual (openly, at least) man. Not one. I have met quite a few old fashioned, straight up gays, but these guys who blur the lines, not one.

    I am not negating that they exist! In fact, maybe I have met a few of the down low guys, but they are great at hiding it.
  • #270348

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]^^ there is a lot of bs assumptions in this.
    I conversed with my 16 year younger GF about this issue with gays and she says she knows a lot of bisexual men, even estimated 60% from her window as a cabalereira talking with a bunch of people. I am questioning the 60% but there is something I have also observed in India. It seems like in societies where women (mothers) have groomed and selected men a lot to be machos may be that is where you have this issue. Ancient Greece also had it. I have no explanation ready but its interesting.

    And of course it’s humbug to assume women are victim in this or any society. Since they are the mothers who groom their boys and the mothers who select the fathers. Etc. etc. There is no way they can complain about macho attitude if that is, apparently, what works. Women stay with older men because it is economically advantageous. And because older men who are available become selective and invite younger women. It’s how life works.

    [/QUOTE]

    You must be one of the ugly ones who ain’t got no moneyLOLsorry if I offended you!
  • #270349

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=The Abbot]These guys must be REAL “down low” with their dealings because in my 6 years here I have not met one bisexual (openly, at least) man. Not one. I have met quite a few old fashioned, straight up gays, but these guys who blur the lines, not one.

    I am not negating that they exist! In fact, maybe I have met a few of the down low guys, but they are great at hiding it.

    [/QUOTE]

    LOL! You probably have met plenty of DL and bisexual men. But they have a kind of “spidey-sense” for recognizing each other. So you probably haven’t been targeted by any because you do not give off that vibe. Also, a lot of men who are 100% straight do not know how to spot homo/bi sexual men who are not overtly gay in a stereotypical sense!
  • #270352

    doctorlili
    Member

    This is rather surreal. Having a discussion with a full fledged feminist on the Brazilian board. My GF does not think I am ugly and neither do I, so I don’t care what some whiny self-pity femmie says who has no more arguments left. It’s always the same anyway.
    But as for the bisexual stuff, I still think it is somewhat exaggerated perception.

  • #270365

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]This is rather surreal. Having a discussion with a full fledged feminist on the Brazilian board. My GF does not think I am ugly and neither do I, so I don’t care what some whiny self-pity femmie says who has no more arguments left. It’s always the same anyway.
    But as for the bisexual stuff, I still think it is somewhat exaggerated perception.[/QUOTE]

    You mad bro?LOLI can see i hit too close to home for you. I’m not arguing. I am engaged in discussion. I know mens’ rights activists don’t like it when women say…uh…THINGS, but sometimes ya just gotta suck it up! You can take comfort in your 16 years younger girlfriend who finds you attractive! I’m sure she has nothing to say about anything. Just stay in your bubble and all will be well in your world. Shall I sing you a lullaby now so you won’t be so mad at us girls with brains that we can actually use to make money, vote, and choose attractive men who are not 16 years older than us, and who also have money, such that we can we expect more from them than mere kindness?

    bamabrasileira2014-09-23 23:49:47

  • #270375

    I was shaving this morning, and I thought:
    Man, we guys have to literally SCRAPE hair off of our face.

  • #270385

    doctorlili
    Member

    Bama, you are a lying manipulator. I have watched you at every step of this thread, and you got other replies before which are exactly on the mark, which you evaded with manipulative tricks. I am totally not mad or anything, I do not care one little bit about what you or the likes of you are thinking or blabbering. It’s pretty much lies anyway. You lie to others as you lie to yourself. But I don’t care, because I stay far away from the likes of you, and it is easy to do, because your ilk is easy to spot.
    The reason I respond is more for the benefit of others who do not see this nonsense so clearly as I do.
    I have already scraped my face :) and now I will go with my lovely namorada on a walk enjoying the day. PS: she went through a bunch of merda in her life, which is abused by the feminists to construct stories of man hatred and advancing their Marxist b/s for which the ilk of yours is the “useful idiot” (that’s a technical term). But she is not one of those liars. There are many good women out there, no need to bother with these liars and manipulators.Squiddie2014-09-24 12:29:16

  • #270408

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]Bama, you are a lying manipulator. I have watched you at every step of this thread, and you got other replies before which are exactly on the mark, which you evaded with manipulative tricks. I am totally not mad or anything, I do not care one little bit about what you or the likes of you are thinking or blabbering. It’s pretty much lies anyway. You lie to others as you lie to yourself. But I don’t care, because I stay far away from the likes of you, and it is easy to do, because your ilk is easy to spot.
    The reason I respond is more for the benefit of others who do not see this nonsense so clearly as I do.
    I have already scraped my face :) and now I will go with my lovely namorada on a walk enjoying the day. PS: she went through a bunch of merda in her life, which is abused by the feminists to construct stories of man hatred and advancing their Marxist b/s for which the ilk of yours is the “useful idiot” (that’s a technical term). But she is not one of those liars. There are many good women out there, no need to bother with these liars and manipulators.[/QUOTE]

    You are SUCH a drama Queen!LOLIf you have been reading the thread, you would know that men have offered me explanations to my question that I have accepted. To recap:
    Me: How do these old foreign dudes keep getting young, moderately attractive – very attractive Brazilian chicks if they also don’t have any money? (and I was asking about this demographic only. Not old/ugly dudes WITH money, cuz that’s pretty obvious)
    Forum Dudes: Cuz Brazilian dudes often have no money AND they are not nice to the women. Old gringoes are more likely to treat them better AT LEAST.
    Me: Oh, ok.
    Dont get it twisted bruh bruh!
  • #270409

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=andrew_nofro]I was shaving this morning, and I thought:
    Man, we guys have to literally SCRAPE hair off of our face.
    [/QUOTE]

    LOLIt’s all because of the evil, manipulative, emasculating women of the world who are trying to take away your manhood and rob you blind through sham marriages , divorces, and subsequent alimony checks!! You should totally NOT shave when your beard comes back tomorrow! That’ll teach those sluts!LOLFIGHT THE POWER!
  • #270420

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira][QUOTE=andrew_nofro]I was shaving this morning, and I thought:
    Man, we guys have to literally SCRAPE hair off of our face.
    [/QUOTE]

    LOLIt’s all because of the evil, manipulative, emasculating women of the world who are trying to take away your manhood and rob you blind through sham marriages , divorces, and subsequent alimony checks!! You should totally NOT shave when your beard comes back tomorrow! That’ll teach those sluts!LOLFIGHT THE POWER!

    [/QUOTE]

    I shave because I am a damn handsome feller and I would not deprive the world of my beautiful sculpted face. LOLTongue
  • #270423

    doctorlili
    Member

    And the stupid manipulation and attention seeking continues.

  • #270437

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=bamabrasileira][QUOTE=andrew_nofro]I was shaving this morning, and I thought:
    Man, we guys have to literally SCRAPE hair off of our face.
    [/QUOTE]

    LOLIt’s all because of the evil, manipulative, emasculating women of the world who are trying to take away your manhood and rob you blind through sham marriages , divorces, and subsequent alimony checks!! You should totally NOT shave when your beard comes back tomorrow! That’ll teach those sluts!LOLFIGHT THE POWER!

    [/QUOTE]

    I shave because I am a damn handsome feller and I would not deprive the world of my beautiful sculpted face. LOLTongue

    [/QUOTE]

    You mean you shave because you WANT to shave?? NO! Damn! I gotta go back to my “Manual For How to Manipulate Intelligent Men So I Can Always Get What I Want” and study! Big smileDon’t tell anyone, but chicks think you do it because you think WE dig itLOL
  • #270438

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira][QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=bamabrasileira][QUOTE=andrew_nofro]I was shaving this morning, and I thought:
    Man, we guys have to literally SCRAPE hair off of our face.
    [/QUOTE]

    LOLIt’s all because of the evil, manipulative, emasculating women of the world who are trying to take away your manhood and rob you blind through sham marriages , divorces, and subsequent alimony checks!! You should totally NOT shave when your beard comes back tomorrow! That’ll teach those sluts!LOLFIGHT THE POWER!

    [/QUOTE]

    I shave because I am a damn handsome feller and I would not deprive the world of my beautiful sculpted face. LOLTongue

    [/QUOTE]

    You mean you shave because you WANT to shave?? NO! Damn! I gotta go back to my “Manual For How to Manipulate Intelligent Men So I Can Always Get What I Want” and study! Big smileDon’t tell anyone, but chicks think you do it because you think WE dig itLOL

    [/QUOTE]
    Who cares. This kind of argument is senseless, the sky is light blue or dark blue kind of stuff.

  • #270516

    doctorlili
    Member

    ^^ indeed, this b/s about shaving is a senseless diversion of the issue, introduced by people too scared of objecting to women victim whining b/s.
    The point to oppose is “… and did not know the grim reality for Brazilian women, …” the entire dismissive notion of angelic Brazilian females falling into the hands of ugly predatory gringo men is complete nonsense. It was the white elephant in the room here all along, and from the beginning this Bamadrama femmie has tried to manipulate the consensus by patronizing people who brought it up, until unleashing the usual antagonism on someone who just calls it how it is: feminist b/s. Squiddie2014-09-27 07:24:26

  • #270517

    Anonymous

    saw this yesterday and you know i thought of this thread

  • #270518

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]^^ indeed, this b/s about shaving is a senseless diversion of the issue, introduced by people too scared of objecting to women victim whining b/s.
    The point to oppose is “… and did not know the grim reality for Brazilian women, …” the entire dismissive notion of angelic Brazilian females falling into the hands of ugly predatory gringo men is complete nonsense. It was the white elephant in the room here all along, and from the beginning this Bamadrama femmie has tried to manipulate the consensus by patronizing people who brought it up, until unleashing the usual antagonism on someone who just calls it how it is: feminist b/s. [/QUOTE]

    GIRL STOP!LOLYou are such a Queen! I LOVE it! Quit acting like you don’t live in a world where men want youth (and sometime beauty) in a woman, and that women don’t want men with jobs /money/ power when selecting partners. And in Brazil, if the woman is poor, she will accept a gringo, even if he is old and has no money, as it is still better than her other options. Sorry dude, but this is, in fact, a grim reality for women!

    bamabrasileira2014-09-27 09:27:44

  • #270519

    Anonymous

    @3casa – LOL! I think a lot of older people still think this way! Great postBig smile

  • #270520

    doctorlili
    Member

    Bama response as expected: social manipulation and relational aggression — attempt — futile attempt, because it only works on weak minded suckers.

    The Pat Robertson quote is spot on.
    You can ridicule it, but only liars like the Bamanut will hide the facts that are very clear.
    Note the complete absence of factual arguments from her, all she’s got is dismissive manipulative b/s, standard operating procedure by these things. Forgettable. Best way to have a good life is not associate with them, and press this issue at the start of any relationship. As I just did with my lovely lovely woman I found here 2 weeks ago.
    Feminism is for losers and those weak men who suck up to them.

    Squiddie2014-09-27 09:25:34

  • #270521

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]Bama response as expected: social manipulation and relational aggression — attempt — futile attempt, because it only works on weak minded suckers.

    The Pat Robertson quote is spot on.
    You can ridicule it, but only liars like the Bamanut will hide the facts that are very clear.
    Note the complete absence of factual arguments from her, all she’s got is dismissive manipulative b/s, standard operating procedure by these things. Forgettable. Best way to have a good life is not associate with them, and press this issue at the start of any relationship. As I just did with my lovely lovely woman I found here 2 weeks ago.
    Feminism is for losers and those weak men who suck up to them.

    [/QUOTE]

    Men’s rights activists are hiLARious! I tried to ignore you, girl (as evidenced by my not responding to your post before today), but you just keep engaging with meBig smileI can understand that young chick that’s marrying George Clooney (who is about 15 – 20 years older than her), because he’s hot and has plenty of resources to offer. That’s not “feminist” , my friend…that is “woman!” If you have no money, just keep being nice to your “girlfriend” so she’ll stick around! The on this forum have given me insight into why a Brazilian woman might choose to be with someone who is physically unattractive and who has no physical resources, as I have never seen a young woman opt for an older or unattractive man who does not have money. It never occurred to me that JUST kindness would be enough for any real investment on the woman’s part. Now that they have answered the question, I have no problem with it!

    bamabrasileira2014-09-27 10:05:06

  • #270527

    doctorlili
    Member

    What a liar this Bama thing is. Says “I tried to ignore you, girl (as evidenced by my not responding to your post before today)” — nonsense! Bama is so anxious about manipulating consensus that she has replied immediately to every message anyone sent. Sucking up to every straw of support and then twisting people’s opposition to her b/s into agreement with lots of “LOL”ling. And when someone calls her b/s and isn’t acquiescing to her manipulations, she just ratchets up her relational aggression with more b/s. Doesn’t work with me, and, as I said, standard operating procedure feminist. Not worth to even argue with, much less have a personal relationship with. Toxic waste.
    But as for the idea that the poor angelic Brazilian woman would be so starved of “just kindness” — what lame “save the brown woman” b/s this is. Of course women are hypergamous, always. And women who are in tune with themselves and their femininity don’t need to heed the stupid narrow minded paths into which the femofascists have pressed women in the North-West with their indoctrination. These (b/w)itches are trying hard here too, but have not yet wreaked as much damage here.
    As if Brazilian men are beasts. They are not. There is plenty of good men in Brazil who give their life and work for their family. All these questions can only be answered by good population statistics not by conjecture into ignorance or induction from anecdotes and stereotypes. Is there a family income statistics from the Brazilian census? (One that’s not falsified like the PT propaganda). There is plenty of scope to find out about these interesting questions.Squiddie2014-09-27 18:34:23

  • #270528

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]What a liar this Bama thing is. Says “I tried to ignore you, girl (as evidenced by my not responding to your post before today)” — nonsense! Bama is so anxious about manipulating consensus that she has replied immediately to every message anyone sent. Sucking up to every straw of support and then twisting people’s opposition to her b/s into agreement with lots of “LOL”ling. As I said, standard operating procedure feminist. Not worth to even argue with, much less have a personal relationship with. Toxic waste.
    But as for the idea that the poor angelic Brazilian woman would be so starved of “just kindness” — what lame “save the brown woman” b/s this is. Of course women are hypergamous, always. And women who are in tune with themselves and their femininity don’t need to heed the stupid narrow minded paths into which the femofascists have pressed women in the North-West with their indoctrination. These (b/w)itches are trying hard here too, but have not yet wreaked as much damage here.
    As if Brazilian men are beasts. They are not. There is plenty of good men in Brazil who give their life and work for their family. All these questions can only be answered by good population statistics not by conjecture into ignorance or induction from anecdotes and stereotypes. Is there a family income statistics from the Brazilian census? (One that’s not falsified like the PT propaganda). There is plenty of scope to find out about these interesting questions.[/QUOTE]

    LOL! I started this thread, girlLOLBecause it is the thread that I started for the purpose of engaging in a discussion about something I did not understand, I have responded to the people who have contributed – including you (except that time I tried to ignore you and you did not accept being ignored)! I can see you are spiralling out of control now. Bye girl! Holla!
  • #270530

    doctorlili
    Member

    Oh, she “tried to ignore” me, but I “did not accept being ignored.” (ridiculous by itself to contemplate the utter nonsense of this idea). What a liar. It’s rater funny how she wraps herself up into her anxious and failing manipulation attempts. As anyone can see this troll kept replying to every message anyone sent including mine. There was no ignoring, it is incapable of ignoring anything. And then this thing keeps addressing me with “girl” as if that is some sort of cussword. Or, ah, it is an attempt at undermining her opponents manhood. Hypocritical feminazis are doing that because they do not have arguments or truth, every one of their words or thoughts are lies, hateful lies, and because they have no truth, all they got is very cheap knee jerk attacks involving sexual stereotypes, the very same thing they bitch and whine about being victimized with. I am sure it’s just some ugly hag that has a failing passionless relationship herself, and she knows she wrecked her own life, and now she is jealous at young girls who are going their own ways. Or whatever. I don’t even care.
    Now we all shall see the liar do its next best attempt of “trying to ignore” me. Squiddie2014-09-27 18:51:08

  • #270531

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]Oh, she “tried to ignore” me, but I “did not accept being ignored.” (ridiculous by itself to contemplate the utter nonsense of this idea). What a liar. It’s rater funny how she wraps herself up into her anxious and failing manipulation attempts. As anyone can see this troll kept replying to every message anyone sent including mine. There was no ignoring, it is incapable of ignoring anything. And then this thing keeps addressing me with “girl” as if that is some sort of cussword. Or, ah, it is an attempt at undermining her opponents manhood. Hypocritical feminazis are doing that because they do not have arguments or truth, every one of their words or thoughts are lies, hateful lies, and because they have no truth, all they got is very cheap knee jerk attacks involving sexual stereotypes, the very same thing they bitch and whine about being victimized with. I am sure it’s just some ugly hag that has a failing passionless relationship herself, and she knows she wrecked her own life, and now she is jealous at young girls who are going their own ways. Or whatever. I don’t even care.
    Now we all shall see the liar do its next best attempt of “trying to ignore” me. [/QUOTE]

    I haven’t called myself a “feminist” – YOU did, girl! And that’s just how I talk to all melodramatic divas, girl! Your hystrionics are typical of most of the queens I’ve met in my life! Also, thanks for giving me all these magical sorceress siren superpowers in your imagination!! I never knew I was so powerful, but I guess I am in your world! TTYL girlfriend!

    bamabrasileira2014-09-27 19:06:50

  • #270532

    doctorlili
    Member

    Oh how I am feeling so ignored. Approve
    Continues with this sophomoric “gril” calling, just because the hag is jealous she doesn’t deserve this title of honor any more.
    I smell a femofascist from miles away. It can call itself whatever it wants, who is a feminist and who is not is for others to decide. They are themselves far to deluded and dishonest to have their own opinion on this even considered. But her calling any opposition a “man’s rights activist” and resorting to these retorts more than gives it away that this here is a rather active specimen of its ilk. Who here on this forum would even know what any of this means.
    This serves a good lesson to see what pathetic toxic liars and manipulators these types are who whine about “the plight of women” in Brazil or elsewhere.
    Shall we see how it will “try to ignore” me this time? Too bad that people just don’t shut up to feminists any more.

  • #270535

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Squiddie]Oh how I am feeling so ignored. Approve
    Continues with this sophomoric “gril” calling, just because the hag is jealous she doesn’t deserve this title of honor any more.
    I smell a femofascist from miles away. It can call itself whatever it wants, who is a feminist and who is not is for others to decide. They are themselves far to deluded and dishonest to have their own opinion on this even considered. But her calling any opposition a “man’s rights activist” and resorting to these retorts more than gives it away that this here is a rather active specimen of its ilk. Who here on this forum would even know what any of this means.
    This serves a good lesson to see what pathetic toxic liars and manipulators these types are who whine about “the plight of women” in Brazil or elsewhere.
    Shall we see how it will “try to ignore” me this time? Too bad that people just don’t shut up to feminists any more.[/QUOTE]

    “It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again…” Buffalo Bill?? Is that you??? Please don’t try to make a skin suit out of me!! Girl you are a MESS!!LOL
  • #270538

    doctorlili
    Member

    ^^ giving the appearance of some refined intelligence, this is how these people “ignore” after saying “bye bye”. Very obviously it bugs the heck out of her that someone would disagree with her b/s and call her out on her lies (and her sophomoric attempts of keeping the upper hand.) Where is all the rest now? She needs a white knight come to her help here pretty soon, these people need agreement. She needs this sense of high-fiving someone, who she could manipulate to giving her the attention and satisfaction of agreement in her relational aggression game.
    And just to remember, the issue (which, as we all should know by now, is never the issue) was simply me calling out this idiotic idea that beautiful good hearted angelic Brazilian women in their despair for kindness need to make do with ugly gringo men, because ugly Brazilian men (and anyway all men) are so awful.
    And because someone disagrees, now we are witnessing this sophomoric show of trying to shut up dissent. Just commenting. It is all standard operating procedure with these people.

  • #270539

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    You’re both nuts lol

  • #270540

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]You’re both nuts lol[/QUOTE]

    LOL
  • #270542

    Anonymous

    It has a lot to do with culture too. From ancient joint families to recent nuclear families to current culture of being independent (mostly in the developed western countries where individualism is praised), things have changed and people have changed.
    In my opinion, Brasillian men and women both are culprits. They say Brasillian men are cheaters. Well, Unless they are gay or transexuals or bisexuals, they would cheat on their wives with some other women. Brasillian women are extra possessive or needy and care more about how they look. They would spend more than 50% of their low salaries on beauty.
    And the most important thing is that children can be shaped into good humans or white elephants. Brasillian parents do not give necessary education as parents to their kids which will enable them to survive in this world providing them the ability to do household chores, be interested in education and particularly science, respect women, be a good citizen, jetinho is wrong etc. Instead they are pampered and are grown into big mama boys who can not actively take part in making this world a better place.
    Respect in western societies for marriage, relations, kids (its funny when people say they won’t have kids while taking their pets to pet hotels) is shrinking.
    If you look at eastern part of the world, they still regard marriage as holy union of two souls. Open culture is great but then it needs to have its limits.

  • #270543

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=jtp_redson]It has a lot to do with culture too. From ancient joint families to recent nuclear families to current culture of being independent (mostly in the developed western countries where individualism is praised), things have changed and people have changed.
    In my opinion, Brasillian men and women both are culprits. They say Brasillian men are cheaters. Well, Unless they are gay or transexuals or bisexuals, they would cheat on their wives with some other women. Brasillian women are extra possessive or needy and care more about how they look. They would spend more than 50% of their low salaries on beauty.
    And the most important thing is that children can be shaped into good humans or white elephants. Brasillian parents do not give necessary education as parents to their kids which will enable them to survive in this world providing them the ability to do household chores, be interested in education and particularly science, respect women, be a good citizen, jetinho is wrong etc. Instead they are pampered and are grown into big mama boys who can not actively take part in making this world a better place.
    Respect in western societies for marriage, relations, kids (its funny when people say they won’t have kids while taking their pets to pet hotels) is shrinking.
    If you look at eastern part of the world, they still regard marriage as holy union of two souls. Open culture is great but then it needs to have its limits. [/QUOTE]

    That is an interesting perspective that I had not thought about, although I would say that women tend to be needy/clingy BECASUE they know that their men would go and cheat and father other children outside of the family, if left to their own devices. But I agree 150% with the notion that most upperclass children are babied into oblivion and have no practical life skills as they age. The only time I see this scenario modified is with those who live abroad for at least 6 months. It “reprograms” them somehow. And if you meet enough upperclass people, you begin to see that they live in a stifling bubble where their entire lives are mapped out for them – regardless of their personal preferences -and where they have to fight mightily to move out of that bubble if that is what they want. The upperclasses are quite concerned with keeping the wealth of the country localized amongst themselves, since marriage automatically gives the partner of the individual half of his / her wealth. The prenuptial agreement, or marriage where wealth is not transfered is not yet a strong concept here – even among the higher classes.
    Also, I think that “eastern family values” have begun to mimic “western” values. The most fascinating phenomenon is the concept of the Chinese “leftover women”. These are, ususally, upperclass women older than 26-27 who have not yet found a mate. Interestingly, though, China – due to the one child policy – has an excess of men and not enough women. Many of the “leftover women” are going to marriage brokers to help find them a proper mate (i.e, a man with an education, resources, and progressive thinking to match her own). However, most of the women who are not paired off are choosing to stay single, rather than marry an “average joe” with no money – especially with the wealth and property laws there that favor men. In Japan, you see men and women mutually choosing to forgo marriage (and many times, relationships altogether) because of cultural shifts away from marriage. Educating and empowering women in societies seems cause a shift away from “traditional family values” wherever it occurs.
  • #270548

    doctorlili
    Member

    More b/s. Women cheat as much as men, if not more. In Brazil too. Excessive jealousy is often a mask under which her own illicit behavior hides. 1/3 of disputed paternity DNA tests come back negative.
    Both boy and girl children are pampered here, hanging at home until over 26 years old, etc.
    In China due to hypergamy and shortage, the price of women is crazy. They are asking for luxury. But it has always been crazy, which is the reason why families can’t afford a girl child in China.

  • #275218

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN] [QUOTE=bamabrasileira]My question was specifically about unattractive (by ANY stretch of the imagination) foreign men who also have no money[/QUOTE]
    I don’t know where you’re seeing all these couples. It sucks to be poor here. If I were poor, I’d go back to America where the quality of life for poor people is a lot higher. Perhaps it’s your jealousy talking?
    Also yeah, probably the dusky maiden feels like an equal in a relationship with an ugly gringo, instead of his hired help baby maker while he goes out to the hookers. People like to be treated with respect, and Brazilian men, as a group, are weak in mind and spirit, with inferiority complexes the size of Christ the Redeemer, and they are shockingly disrespectful to everyone, double for the wife.
    Perhaps you should go find an ugly gringo. [/QUOTE]

    hahaha! good post
  • #275219

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira][QUOTE=Squiddie]^^ indeed, this b/s about shaving is a senseless diversion of the issue, introduced by people too scared of objecting to women victim whining b/s.
    The point to oppose is “… and did not know the grim reality for Brazilian women, …” the entire dismissive notion of angelic Brazilian females falling into the hands of ugly predatory gringo men is complete nonsense. It was the white elephant in the room here all along, and from the beginning this Bamadrama femmie has tried to manipulate the consensus by patronizing people who brought it up, until unleashing the usual antagonism on someone who just calls it how it is: feminist b/s. [/QUOTE]

    GIRL STOP!LOLYou are such a Queen! I LOVE it! Quit acting like you don’t live in a world where men want youth (and sometime beauty) in a woman, and that women don’t want men with jobs /money/ power when selecting partners. And in Brazil, if the woman is poor, she will accept a gringo, even if he is old and has no money, as it is still better than her other options. Sorry dude, but this is, in fact, a grim reality for women!

    [/QUOTE]

    How is that a grim reality for women????
  • #275220

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira][QUOTE=Squiddie]This is rather surreal. Having a discussion with a full fledged feminist on the Brazilian board. My GF does not think I am ugly and neither do I, so I don’t care what some whiny self-pity femmie says who has no more arguments left. It’s always the same anyway.
    But as for the bisexual stuff, I still think it is somewhat exaggerated perception.[/QUOTE]

    You mad bro?LOLI can see i hit too close to home for you. I’m not arguing. I am engaged in discussion. I know mens’ rights activists don’t like it when women say…uh…THINGS, but sometimes ya just gotta suck it up! You can take comfort in your 16 years younger girlfriend who finds you attractive! I’m sure she has nothing to say about anything. Just stay in your bubble and all will be well in your world. Shall I sing you a lullaby now so you won’t be so mad at us girls with brains that we can actually use to make money, vote, and choose attractive men who are not 16 years older than us, and who also have money, such that we can we expect more from them than mere kindness?

    [/QUOTE]

    I’m attractive, young, have brains and would never go within 15 feet of a feminist by choice. I do like smart, attractive, intelligent women, but not those who hate men and disguise it as “pro women’s rights”
    Just because you think you are choosing those men doesn’t mean those men are choosing you. They are the weak men who need to be dominated by an overly aggressive woman! Pathetic.
  • #275238

    needhelp
    Member

    Funny people in this thread, saying that Brazilian men cheat etc.
    But hey, and my affair with German ?! He just picked up a prostitute on the beach of floripa, and even made a point of telling me that he liked her lots, he did not want me anymore because I am poor, and she was / is a part of him, she is better than me, he kicked me off. he said so many thing to make me so sad.
    And now, an update of this story:
    I travelled to germany last year, because of a scholarship, and i wanted to see him, because unfortunately I am still in love with him. he told me he would help me while I was in Germany.Clap
    You know what he did?
    He despised me, as if I were a stray dog. just cause, I am poor. but with the prostitute of floripa’s beach he surely held a red carpet. the world goes round, German. He only got excuses to not meet me. I figured it out, and left. I was even more frustrated, and of course, I became even more suspicious of men. I hope this German has so many sorrows in life. he’ll get the worse in his life. Angryhe will, he always sad to me, he never wanted to get stuck in a relationship. and now, he’s with a paranoid woman, who doesn’t let him even fart because she’d think, he’s talking to a woman. she even became pregnant to hold him.. and he doesn’t like her! hahah! bem feito!
    For me, all men cheat. I have not yet managed to recover it, and I’m seeing these women with gringos. how can they get those unicorns? those foreigners who dont cheat?? where, cause that’s impossible. Or they accept being cornas just because the guy is blond blue eyed???LOLdating a blue eye blonde guy, foreign, of any age is ask to be betrayed. Deadand I say to them, bem feito. LOL

  • #275241

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Menina] Funny people in this thread, saying that Brazilian men cheat etc.
    But hey, and my affair with German ?! He just picked up a prostitute on the beach of floripa, and even made a point of telling me that he liked her lots, he did not want me anymore because I am poor, and she was / is a part of him, she is better than me, he kicked me off. he said so many thing to make me so sad.
    And now, an update of this story:
    I travelled to germany last year, because of a scholarship, and i wanted to see him, because unfortunately I am still in love with him. he told me he would help me while I was in Germany.Clap
    You know what he did?
    He despised me, as if I were a stray dog. just cause, I am poor. but with the prostitute of floripa’s beach he surely held a red carpet. the world goes round, German. He only got excuses to not meet me. I figured it out, and left. I was even more frustrated, and of course, I became even more suspicious of men. I hope this German has so many sorrows in life. he’ll get the worse in his life. Angryhe will, he always sad to me, he never wanted to get stuck in a relationship. and now, he’s with a paranoid woman, who doesn’t let him even fart because she’d think, he’s talking to a woman. she even became pregnant to hold him.. and he doesn’t like her! hahah! bem feito!
    For me, all men cheat. I have not yet managed to recover it, and I’m seeing these women with gringos. how can they get those unicorns? those foreigners who dont cheat?? where, cause that’s impossible. Or they accept being cornas just because the guy is blond blue eyed???LOLdating a blue eye blonde guy, foreign, of any age is ask to be betrayed. Deadand I say to them, bem feito. LOL
    [/QUOTE]

    I’m a man and I don’t cheat, so maybe it’s the men you are dating.
  • #275242

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Menina] Funny people in this thread, saying that Brazilian men cheat etc.
    But hey, and my affair with German ?! He just picked up a prostitute on the beach of floripa, and even made a point of telling me that he liked her lots, he did not want me anymore because I am poor, and she was / is a part of him, she is better than me, he kicked me off. he said so many thing to make me so sad.
    And now, an update of this story:
    I travelled to germany last year, because of a scholarship, and i wanted to see him, because unfortunately I am still in love with him. he told me he would help me while I was in Germany.Clap
    You know what he did?
    He despised me, as if I were a stray dog. just cause, I am poor. but with the prostitute of floripa’s beach he surely held a red carpet. the world goes round, German. He only got excuses to not meet me. I figured it out, and left. I was even more frustrated, and of course, I became even more suspicious of men. I hope this German has so many sorrows in life. he’ll get the worse in his life. Angryhe will, he always sad to me, he never wanted to get stuck in a relationship. and now, he’s with a paranoid woman, who doesn’t let him even fart because she’d think, he’s talking to a woman. she even became pregnant to hold him.. and he doesn’t like her! hahah! bem feito!
    For me, all men cheat. I have not yet managed to recover it, and I’m seeing these women with gringos. how can they get those unicorns? those foreigners who dont cheat?? where, cause that’s impossible. Or they accept being cornas just because the guy is blond blue eyed???LOLdating a blue eye blonde guy, foreign, of any age is ask to be betrayed. Deadand I say to them, bem feito. LOL
    [/QUOTE]

    By the way, your opinion is sexist. And also, I’m a “gringo” and I don’t have blonde hair and blue eyes. Light hair and light eyes are uncommon traits, and most gringos have dark hair and dark eyes.
  • #275247

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Menina] Funny people in this thread, saying that Brazilian men cheat etc.
    But hey, and my affair with German ?! He just picked up a prostitute on the beach of floripa, and even made a point of telling me that he liked her lots, he did not want me anymore because I am poor, and she was / is a part of him, she is better than me, he kicked me off. he said so many thing to make me so sad.
    And now, an update of this story:
    I travelled to germany last year, because of a scholarship, and i wanted to see him, because unfortunately I am still in love with him. he told me he would help me while I was in Germany.Clap
    You know what he did?
    He despised me, as if I were a stray dog. just cause, I am poor. but with the prostitute of floripa’s beach he surely held a red carpet. the world goes round, German. He only got excuses to not meet me. I figured it out, and left. I was even more frustrated, and of course, I became even more suspicious of men. I hope this German has so many sorrows in life. he’ll get the worse in his life. Angryhe will, he always sad to me, he never wanted to get stuck in a relationship. and now, he’s with a paranoid woman, who doesn’t let him even fart because she’d think, he’s talking to a woman. she even became pregnant to hold him.. and he doesn’t like her! hahah! bem feito!
    For me, all men cheat. I have not yet managed to recover it, and I’m seeing these women with gringos. how can they get those unicorns? those foreigners who dont cheat?? where, cause that’s impossible. Or they accept being cornas just because the guy is blond blue eyed???LOLdating a blue eye blonde guy, foreign, of any age is ask to be betrayed. Deadand I say to them, bem feito. LOL
    [/QUOTE]

    Is this Squiddie’s ex?LOL
  • #275248

    Anonymous

    now that would be awkward!

  • #275249

    Finrudd
    Participant

    [QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=Menina] Funny people in this thread, saying that Brazilian men cheat etc.
    But hey, and my affair with German ?! He just picked up a prostitute on the beach of floripa, and even made a point of telling me that he liked her lots, he did not want me anymore because I am poor, and she was / is a part of him, she is better than me, he kicked me off. he said so many thing to make me so sad.
    And now, an update of this story:
    I travelled to germany last year, because of a scholarship, and i wanted to see him, because unfortunately I am still in love with him. he told me he would help me while I was in Germany.Clap
    You know what he did?
    He despised me, as if I were a stray dog. just cause, I am poor. but with the prostitute of floripa’s beach he surely held a red carpet. the world goes round, German. He only got excuses to not meet me. I figured it out, and left. I was even more frustrated, and of course, I became even more suspicious of men. I hope this German has so many sorrows in life. he’ll get the worse in his life. Angryhe will, he always sad to me, he never wanted to get stuck in a relationship. and now, he’s with a paranoid woman, who doesn’t let him even fart because she’d think, he’s talking to a woman. she even became pregnant to hold him.. and he doesn’t like her! hahah! bem feito!
    For me, all men cheat. I have not yet managed to recover it, and I’m seeing these women with gringos. how can they get those unicorns? those foreigners who dont cheat?? where, cause that’s impossible. Or they accept being cornas just because the guy is blond blue eyed???LOLdating a blue eye blonde guy, foreign, of any age is ask to be betrayed. Deadand I say to them, bem feito. LOL
    [/QUOTE]

    Is this Squiddie’s ex?LOL

    [/QUOTE]

    hahaha! That was the first thing I thought!! (sorry Squiddie!)
  • #275250

    Finrudd
    Participant

    [QUOTE=The Abbot][QUOTE=Menina] Funny people in this thread, saying that Brazilian men cheat etc.
    But hey, and my affair with German ?! He just picked up a prostitute on the beach of floripa, and even made a point of telling me that he liked her lots, he did not want me anymore because I am poor, and she was / is a part of him, she is better than me, he kicked me off. he said so many thing to make me so sad.
    And now, an update of this story:
    I travelled to germany last year, because of a scholarship, and i wanted to see him, because unfortunately I am still in love with him. he told me he would help me while I was in Germany.Clap
    You know what he did?
    He despised me, as if I were a stray dog. just cause, I am poor. but with the prostitute of floripa’s beach he surely held a red carpet. the world goes round, German. He only got excuses to not meet me. I figured it out, and left. I was even more frustrated, and of course, I became even more suspicious of men. I hope this German has so many sorrows in life. he’ll get the worse in his life. Angryhe will, he always sad to me, he never wanted to get stuck in a relationship. and now, he’s with a paranoid woman, who doesn’t let him even fart because she’d think, he’s talking to a woman. she even became pregnant to hold him.. and he doesn’t like her! hahah! bem feito!
    For me, all men cheat. I have not yet managed to recover it, and I’m seeing these women with gringos. how can they get those unicorns? those foreigners who dont cheat?? where, cause that’s impossible. Or they accept being cornas just because the guy is blond blue eyed???LOLdating a blue eye blonde guy, foreign, of any age is ask to be betrayed. Deadand I say to them, bem feito. LOL
    [/QUOTE]

    Is this Squiddie’s ex?LOL

    [/QUOTE]

    Hahaha! That was the first thing I thought! (Sorry Squiddie!)
  • #275251

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=Menina] Funny people in this thread, saying that Brazilian men cheat etc.
    But hey, and my affair with German ?! He just picked up a prostitute on the beach of floripa, and even made a point of telling me that he liked her lots, he did not want me anymore because I am poor, and she was / is a part of him, she is better than me, he kicked me off. he said so many thing to make me so sad.
    And now, an update of this story:
    I travelled to germany last year, because of a scholarship, and i wanted to see him, because unfortunately I am still in love with him. he told me he would help me while I was in Germany.Clap
    You know what he did?
    He despised me, as if I were a stray dog. just cause, I am poor. but with the prostitute of floripa’s beach he surely held a red carpet. the world goes round, German. He only got excuses to not meet me. I figured it out, and left. I was even more frustrated, and of course, I became even more suspicious of men. I hope this German has so many sorrows in life. he’ll get the worse in his life. Angryhe will, he always sad to me, he never wanted to get stuck in a relationship. and now, he’s with a paranoid woman, who doesn’t let him even fart because she’d think, he’s talking to a woman. she even became pregnant to hold him.. and he doesn’t like her! hahah! bem feito!
    For me, all men cheat. I have not yet managed to recover it, and I’m seeing these women with gringos. how can they get those unicorns? those foreigners who dont cheat?? where, cause that’s impossible. Or they accept being cornas just because the guy is blond blue eyed???LOLdating a blue eye blonde guy, foreign, of any age is ask to be betrayed. Deadand I say to them, bem feito. LOL
    [/QUOTE]

    Unless the prostitute was rich and I doubt that, you are committing a grand logical fallacy.
  • #275252

    celso
    Member

    Hey, nobody talks about the hot young ladies who marry old fat balding Brazilian men. Michel Temper, Dilma’s Veep, has a trophy wife 40 years younger! She was a swimsuit beauty queen. He proposed when she was 19 and he was 60. That is Brazil. This guy could not get votes in the prudish USA. Viva amor!

  • #275253

    ffm
    Member

    [QUOTE=GreatBallsoFire]Hey, nobody talks about the hot young ladies who marry old fat balding Brazilian men. Michel Temper, Dilma’s Veep, has a trophy wife 40 years younger! She was a swimsuit beauty queen. He proposed when she was 19 and he was 60. That is Brazil. This guy could not get votes in the prudish USA. Viva amor![/QUOTE]

    Not to mention he is a declared Satanist.
  • #27853

    luizfeliz
    Member

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