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  • #272816

    Anonymous

    Brazilian Communists… What’s their deal? I get it, they hate the USA, they hate the West, they hate England, Great Britain blah blah blah. But to be sympethetic with the rest of the third world? To be united to the rest of the world through common experiences of oppression, persecution, abuse, poverty, etc. at the hands of Europe, is an awkward alliance… Communists prop up the most cruel regimes in the world. Yet some Brazilians, young university students, especially at public federal universities, their professors, and some politicians, actively sympathize with the communist cause, to the detriment of more conciliatory ways of viewing things, like social democracy. I just don’t understand their sympathy when some of the worst and most atrocious things in terms of human rights have been perpetrated by communists… let’s see, North Korea, Russia, China, Cuba, corrupt African regimes, corrupt Latin American leftist regimes, corrupt Asian pro-Communist regimes. Sure capitalism isn’t great, it sucks for many people, but to choose communism over capitalism and say its great means that you’re plain stupid. There are other movements to choose from that are better than communism, I mean, just because they’re mad at the USA doesn’t mean they have to become communists. “Down with the USA, go Communism!”, that’s so retarded. You don’t fight a negative with another negative. What irks me is their sympathy with Cuba. The last thing we need is another Cuba, but it looks like South America is going down that path, with Venezuela, Ecuador, and a substantial segment of Brazilian intellectuals leaning strongly that way. Bolivia and Argentina don’t seem too far off the Latin American leftist spectrum either. I just wish they’d get over their hate and be smart about what they’re doing, actually use their heads to govern a country, not their hatred of the West.

  • #272821

    ffm
    Member

    How can they hate the West? They are IN the West!!!! Wacko

    Don’t forget the fact they show up to protests in Abercrombie Tee-shirts and Ray ban sunglasses! LOLDummies
  • #272831

    neto
    Member

    I consider that leftist thinking is more than an opinion, is a moral/cerebral illness, is a brainwashing, the individual stops thinking and just repeat formatted sentences like “Ok, Cuba does not have iPads but their educational system is great”. If the educational system of Cuba is so good, why they do not create anything worthwhile? They should be the most creative people in the world!

  • #272834

    ffm
    Member

    Here, in Brazil, I don’t think they have a clue what they are talking about about most things but especially about this. I have heard them use terms like “capitalist” to describe “materialist” just as an example. The funny thing about Brazilians is that they may have no information, contact, studies, etc. about a given subject but still hold a strong opinion about it. I’ve learned to discuss things that are over their head they way you talk to children. A lot of head nodding and “Ah ì©?” and “Sì©rio?” “Vc acha?” and then I try to divert the conversation to something they understand like the derriere of the female attendees at the churrasco.

  • #272835

    ffm
    Member

    …If they had a firm grasp of economics, would their country be such a piece of sh*te?

  • #272836

    gengibre
    Member

    This is slightly off topic, but something that I find very interesting;
    Many people, especially older people, have a real nostalgia for the military government. My father-in-law always tells me that the country was organised, there was minimal crime, the public services were pretty good etc etc. There were no holes in the roads! He says that Brazil became a mess during the late 1980s and 19990s and never recovered. Drugs, crime, inflation etc just exploded and there was no way of controlling it because the civilian government was so weak. In the military days, the police would literally take criminals away and you would never see them again.

  • #272837

    kenalag
    Member

    Well, watching the adverts in the telly agead last years election, i recognized 2 things….
    PT uses the red star
    Kommunists Party uses Hammer and Sickle.
    From my german (West), both are quite synonyms for Soviet Union etc…

  • #272843

    Winlearn
    Member

    Cut the drivel will ya? What is your question/problem?

  • #272860

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=38 Special] Cut the drivel will ya? What is your question/problem? [/QUOTE]
    My “problem” is that the discovery that so many Brazilians identify themselves with the far left/radical left, politically, is quite shocking to me. I’m young and I’m new to politics/political language/ideology, so I didn’t know where to place Brazil on my liberal-conservative, Republican-Democrat American political spectrum, as that’s all I’m familiar with. Now that I know, it’s shocking so many Brazilians are actually anti-USA. This is no small matter. These are the people voting, holding public office, making policy decisions, filling civil servant positions, and if they have such a strong anti-U.S. viewpoint, it’s hard to see where Brazil will improve. These are the people who are strongly opposed to anything resembling the military dictatorship of a few decades ago, and will blindly follow the PT party and other far left ideologies/leaders/regimes around the world. These people hate capitalism, hate western Europe, hate white colonialists (even though most Brazilian communists are white), they hate anything that is not communist. They have declared sympathy with the rest of the colonized world, which is most of it, and see themselves, and Brazil, as in the same position as Africa, the rest of Latin America, and most of Asia. They see themselves as part of a global Left and would like to see the demise of Europe/North America, and the triumpth of the rest of the third world. That is a path of destruction, violence, and extreme poverty. Many Brazilian communists are actually very educated, and it’s sad to see them thinking with their hearts instead of their heads. Of course, they love the current regime, even if it sucks. Politically, I wouldn’t be welcome in Brazil if a Communist country were to become the new global superpower, and overtake the USA for that status. Thus, with that happening, the already strong Brazilian communists, emboldened by the new communist superpower, would potentially take over the country, abolish the political parties of the opposition, and basically create hell. You would think with the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall the communists would have admitted defeat and moved on to a gentler form of socialism, like Western Europe currently has, but they’re still going at it!!! They hate the West too much!!

  • #272862

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Tiredforeigner] This is slightly off topic, but something that I find very interesting;
    Many people, especially older people, have a real nostalgia for the military government. My father-in-law always tells me that the country was organised, there was minimal crime, the public services were pretty good etc etc. There were no holes in the roads! He says that Brazil became a mess during the late 1980s and 19990s and never recovered. Drugs, crime, inflation etc just exploded and there was no way of controlling it because the civilian government was so weak. In the military days, the police would literally take criminals away and you would never see them again.
    [/QUOTE]
    Thanks, tiredforeigner, for that insight. I don’t know enough about the dictatorship to speak about that, but my Brazilian relatives remember a relatively peaceful, prosperous time, with the occasional threat of arbitrary police use of force if you did something to upset certain people. They might have been potentially harsh, but at least Brazilians weren’t starving? You can argue both sides I guess, but I’m not informed on the dictatorship, so I will stop here. What I do know is that the current Brazilian Left strongly opposes anything resembling the dictatorship, and their opposition to it fuels what they do. Every other word that they speak is “Ditadura”, it’s almost as if they want to have another one, except this time, they would be in control of it. They hate the dictatorship so much they go in the opposite extreme, fuelled more by hate of what’s wrong than with love of what’s good and right, and smart.

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    Anonymous
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