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  • #234372

    ozdodgeydude
    Member

    Gentlemen,
    Those persons who have been located in these latitudes for some time, or those who have visited them with a certain frequency, may be able to inform of the possible existence -or not- of places or of associations devoted to the preservation of our most Traditional Root forms of Appalachian Mountain Music, and of its related forms of dance or other manifestations of our ancestral folk-lore.
    There is a place in Francisco Matarazzo Avenue near Agua Branca Station (between Lapa and Barra Funda Stations, in the Capital of Sao Paulo), which dare to advertise itself as devoted to “Country Music”. That place is, however, only a sad disappointment. It is not Traditional Country Music at all. It is not even sung in English (it may be in some local dialect instead).
    There is a thread in this forum that announces the existence of Bluegrass Music, but it lacks any textual information as to where such a place is or might have been located. Certainly, Bluegrass in our purest form would be beautiful, if following the Heritage of artistic giants such as Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys, Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys, Jim and Jesse McReynolds and the Virginia Boys, or Lester Flatt, Earl Scruggs and the Foggy Mountain Boys.
    However, it need not be only Bluegrass. It could also encompass Hilbilly, Appalachian String Bands, Square Dance, Barn Dance, Barbershop Quartet, Hoe Down, Honky Tonk, or other Old Time Music forms in the line, for instance, of The Stonemans or The Original Carter Family. Something that would have had a natural place in the Ryman Auditorium or in Opryland, at the Grand Ole Opry Festival in Nashville, Tennessee.
    Questions have already been asked in Sao Paulo as to the possible existence of Old Time Country Music. There is some concentration of music shops at Seminario and at Barao de Itapetininga Streets, as well as Sao Joao Avenue and Paissandu Square, all of them in the city centre. After much, much difficulty at communication, it becomes clear that a good many of the attendants do not know the minimum about Old Time Music. Some of them do, but they are unable to inform of any such activities in or near the City of Sao Paulo. They report that our Old Time Music counts with very few followers round these parts.
    If that be true, then it is a most discouraging report. Does any of the gentle Members of this Gringoes Forum possess any information whatsoever, regarding the performance (or any other form of cultivation) of Old Time Music ? If so, it would be a great help to share it by posting in this thread, or by sending private message to the author of this post. Looking forward to it, receive a deep manifestation of gratitude and a martial Confederate Salute.
    Dixieland for ever !
    24th January 2013
    P. A. Stonemann

  • #234430

    toolio
    Participant

    Assuming this post is serious (and I have my doubts) why would anyone expect to find any “associations devoted to the preservation of “our most Traditional Root forms of Appalachian Mountain Music,” in Brazil?
    This is Brasil, not Dixie or Kentucky. Brasil has a rich heritage of its own music, enough to suit just about any taste. Reach out, my friend. Explore the world beyond your confederacy Smile

  • #234438

    Stuart Mark
    Participant

    Don’t feed the troll.

    Solteropolitano2013-01-25 17:00:26

  • #234451

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=toolio] Brasil has a rich heritage of its own music, enough to suit just about any taste.[/QUOTE]
    A slight exaggeration if you ask me. In terms of wealth of musical heritage, Brazil is middle income at best. And that’s being generous.

  • #234452

    toolio
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA] [QUOTE=toolio] Brasil has a rich heritage of its own music, enough to suit just about any taste.[/QUOTE]
    A slight exaggeration if you ask me. In terms of wealth of musical heritage, Brazil is middle income at best. And that’s being generous. [/QUOTE]
    But I wasn’t asking you Smile
    Obviously musical taste is in the ear of the listener. I’m not a big fan of MPB but I still enjoy the soothing sounds of bossa nova, I enjoy tropicalismo and a few other forms of music Brasil has provided the world over the years. And here in Bahia, there’s a vibrant music scene that offers something for just about everyone.
    But you (or I) are free to take it or leave it. I don’t judge anyone’s taste in music and I wouldn’t presume that mine is in any way superior to yours or anyone else’s. Just different, apparently.

  • #234455

    815
    Member

    Sorry my friend. I didn’t realize you were so touchy about the subject. I sincerely apologize if I caused you any long term grief over my comment. I will try to be more sensitive in the future.
    Abraços

  • #234457

    toolio
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA]Sorry my friend. I didn’t realize you were so touchy about the subject. I sincerely apologize if I caused you any long term grief over my comment. I will try to be more sensitive in the future.
    Abraços [/QUOTE]
    I’m not. The first sentence was a joke. No harm done, and I apologize if my attempt at humor wasn’t obvious. No long term grief and no need to be sensitive. I can take it LOL

  • #234460

    815
    Member

    I’m glad. I really did think you took umbrage with my post. Of course my response was an abortion of an attempt at humor as well.
    But I did mean it when I said:

  • #234464

    toolio
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA]I’m glad. I really did think you took umbrage with my post. Of course my response was an abortion of an attempt at humor as well.
    But I did mean it when I said: [/QUOTE]
    Now that we’ve straightened that out let’s listen to some forró. LOL

  • #234466

    815
    Member

    Blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
    The only Brazilian music I like is some Samba, some MPB and some of the older Rock, like Legião Urbana. I can even get into some pagode like Zeca Pagodinho.

  • #234468

    Stuart Mark
    Participant

    Don’t feed the troll.

    Solteropolitano2013-01-25 17:00:57

  • #234469

    toolio
    Participant

    Apparently I am an old fart, at least according to recent posters, so I like bossa nova. Actually, I liked it before I had even heard of Brasil. I find it extremely relaxing. It conjures up images of the the way I think Brasil should be–and never was.
    I do like Legião Urbana as well as Os Mutantes.
    I like Maria Rita. But I also like her mother’s music. So my tastes span at least two generations Smile
    For that matter, I like about 500 other Brasilian musicians, but I won’t bore anyone further with my musical tastes.

  • #234471

    toolio
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Solteropolitano]

    pq aqui NÓIS É CHIC DO URTIMO !

    [/QUOTE]
    LOL.
    I wanted to be a Brasilian country singer, but I have no brother Smile

  • #234488

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=toolio]It conjures up images of the the way I think Brasil should be–and never was.[/QUOTE]Deep sigh… Yes. So true.

  • #234490

    ozdodgeydude
    Member

    To Forum Member Mister Solteropolitano:
    Thanks, Sir, but it is impossible to play the video. Textual information will be much more appreciated, or hyper link to textual information.
    To Forum Member Mister Paulistano:
    Correct, Sir. You have perfectly understood that the supposedly “rich heritage of Brazil” is of no value to us, just like ours may be of no value to them. For what it seems to be, the cultural trajectory of these people has followed a very different historical development from that which we have had in Dixie since Jamestown 1607, or earlier. Such deep cultural differences naturally manifest themselves in all aspects of life, with music, language or social behaviour being some of those aspects.
    To Forum Member Toolio:
    The original post is an honest, well explained, and SERIOUS attempt at finding other enthusiasts of Old Time and Appalachian Mountain Music in its different cultural manifestations. Such a request has been done in this forum only AFTER an exhaustive search in the musical scene of Sao Paulo. Obviously without having found a positive result, because if some result could have been easily found, then there would have been no need of asking for help in this forum. If for example a Honky Tonk bar had immediately appeared in, say, Paulista Avenue or Anhangabau Valley, or if a Hillbilly Barn Dance had shown itself in, for instance, Paranapiacaba, Americana or Santa Barbara d’Oeste, then everything would be happiness and there would have been no necessity of disturbing the helpful Members of this Gringoes Forum with such requests for information. It has been requested because it has not been found so far. There is nothing wrong per se with such a simple request.
    You seem to be, Sir, a follower of the “rich Brazilian heritage”. That is Your freedom and Your right . Our right, AND OUR DUTY, is to keep a staunch Loyalty to the -not less rich- Historical and Cultural Heritage of the Confederate States of America. This, of course, fully includes our ancestral forms of language, music, or dance, besides plenty of other distinctive characteristics. The natural wish of keeping our Tradition alive cannot be criticised, in fair Justice. We are not imposing our ways on these people. Conversely, we have the undeniable right, and also the unrelinquishable obligation, of transmitting to Posterity the Esteemed Treasure that has been bequeathed to us by our ancestors of yore, lovingly kept intact through countless generations. Be it in Brazil, or be it in China, we shall live and die unconditionally Loyal to our Nation.
    If You wish, Sir, to show the World how much You appreciate and love Your “rich Brazilian music”, then by all means, feel free to do so. Do not expect, however, to convince everyone for loving Your music, same as we do not dream of attracting masses of Brazilian followers to a Dixie Cultural Tradition that seems to be almost unknown here. For us, our Culture is an intrinsic part of our growth, since our tenderest childhood. For them, it sounds like something exotic and incomprehensible. The opposite is also true, of course. One of the Brazilians asked showed in his computer a video of what he called “Familia Buscape”, or something like that. It was nothing less than our lovely, old television series, “The Beverly Hillbillies”, featuring the beautiful Bluegrass Music of Lester Flatt, Earl Scruggs and the Foggy Mountain Boys at the start of every episode. Therefore, our Music may be a little better known here, than Yours is known in our Country. If for better or for worse, that is only a matter of personal perspective. Keep it at that, and respect the choices made by others. Live Your Culture, Sir, and let others live their own.
    Dixieland for ever !
    25th January 2013
    P. A. Stonemann
    —-

  • #234492

    toolio
    Participant

    Uhhhhhhhhh, okay. Confused
    (edit to add that i AM a fan of bluegrass, and so-called “mountain music.” I am also a fan of traditional Irish music, the root of all you describe. I’m Canadian–you know, that country just north of Appalachia. “My culture” is not that much different from yours (minus the confederacy obsession, of course). My adopted culture is, however.)
    toolio2013-01-25 14:03:39

  • #234496

    toolio
    Participant

    “One of the Brazilians asked showed in his computer a video of what he called “Familia Buscape”, or something like that. It was nothing less than our lovely, old television series, “The Beverly Hillbillies”
    http://www.blacine.com.br/2012/12/a-familia-buscape-dublado-1992.html
    Somehow I think Brasiians suspected these were Americans.

    toolio2013-01-25 14:20:02

  • #234503

    toolio
    Participant

    [QUOTE=CSS Dixieland]Gentlemen,
    Those persons who have been located in these latitudes for some time, or those who have visited them with a certain frequency, may be able to inform of the possible existence -or not- of places or of associations devoted to the preservation of our most Traditional Root forms of Appalachian Mountain Music, and of its related forms of dance or other manifestations of our ancestral folk-lore.
    There is a place in Francisco Matarazzo Avenue near Agua Branca Station (between Lapa and Barra Funda Stations, in the Capital of Sao Paulo), which dare to advertise itself as devoted to “Country Music”. That place is, however, only a sad disappointment. It is not Traditional Country Music at all. It is not even sung in English (it may be in some local dialect instead).
    There is a thread in this forum that announces the existence of Bluegrass Music, but it lacks any textual information as to where such a place is or might have been located. Certainly, Bluegrass in our purest form would be beautiful, if following the Heritage of artistic giants such as Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys, Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys, Jim and Jesse McReynolds and the Virginia Boys, or Lester Flatt, Earl Scruggs and the Foggy Mountain Boys.
    However, it need not be only Bluegrass. It could also encompass Hilbilly, Appalachian String Bands, Square Dance, Barn Dance, Barbershop Quartet, Hoe Down, Honky Tonk, or other Old Time Music forms in the line, for instance, of The Stonemans or The Original Carter Family. Something that would have had a natural place in the Ryman Auditorium or in Opryland, at the Grand Ole Opry Festival in Nashville, Tennessee.
    Questions have already been asked in Sao Paulo as to the possible existence of Old Time Country Music. There is some concentration of music shops at Seminario and at Barao de Itapetininga Streets, as well as Sao Joao Avenue and Paissandu Square, all of them in the city centre. After much, much difficulty at communication, it becomes clear that a good many of the attendants do not know the minimum about Old Time Music. Some of them do, but they are unable to inform of any such activities in or near the City of Sao Paulo. They report that our Old Time Music counts with very few followers round these parts.
    If that be true, then it is a most discouraging report. Does any of the gentle Members of this Gringoes Forum possess any information whatsoever, regarding the performance (or any other form of cultivation) of Old Time Music ? If so, it would be a great help to share it by posting in this thread, or by sending private message to the author of this post. Looking forward to it, receive a deep manifestation of gratitude and a martial Confederate Salute.
    Dixieland for ever !
    24th January 2013
    P. A. Stonemann
    [/QUOTE]
    My somewhat flippant response above nothwithstanding, I remain baffled by your disappointment in not finding bona fide examples of what you call “our most Traditional Root forms of Appalachian Mountain Music, and of its related forms of dance or other manifestations of our ancestral folk-lore.”
    First off, you make the assumption that the world revolves around your country, referring to “our” in a post where readers are largely located in Brasil. Then you seem to chastise Brasilians for not properly playing or singing “your” music, including the fact “It is not even sung in English (it may be in some local dialect instead). ” That local dialect is known in these parts as Portuguese.
    You refer to music played here in Brasil that is “It is not Traditional Country Music at all.”. It is country music–the Brasilian version of country music.
    You criticize Brasilians because “it becomes clear that a good many of the attendants do not know the minimum about Old Time Music.” Why should they? And why can they not simply enjoy it, or an approximation thereof, without knowing a great deal about it?
    The reality is that “your music” came largely from Ireland. Do you know a great deal about Irish traditional music? Perhaps you do, in which case you will know that American country music is largely not “your music.” It is an evolution of Irish music, which is in itself an evolution of the music that came before it.
    I took a minute to discover who you are, courtesy of Google. If what I read is to be believed, you live in Brasil. You’re also someone who describes your late wife (sorry for your loss) as “a courageous fighter for the Aryan race and the Confederate Nation. ” This does not bode well for your tolerance of others, I am afraid. Nor does your original post or your recent reply.
    However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to clarify. Are you the same P.A. Stoneman whose Internet references include membership in the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation? Are you the author of:
    “Aryan page
    Providing Knowledge for the Victory of the Aryan Race
    Fighting in defence of our Language, Religion and Eternal Values
    We are not the last of yesterday, we are the first of tomorrow !!! “
    Is this you?
    http://www.cssdixieland.heliohost.org/START.HTM
    http://www.cssdixieland.heliohost.org/ARYAN.HTM
    If so, in my humble opinion you have no place in this forum, this country or in my world. If not, my apologies for connecting you with such a despicable human being.
    Standard of the Order of
    toolio2013-01-25 15:23:26

  • #234506

    Deleted User
    Moderator

    [QUOTE=CSS Dixieland]To Forum Member Mister Solteropolitano:
    Thanks, Sir, but it is impossible to play the video. Textual information will be much more appreciated, or hyper link to textual information.
    To Forum Member Mister Paulistano:
    Correct, Sir. You have perfectly understood that the supposedly “rich heritage of Brazil” is of no value to us, just like ours may be of no value to them. For what it seems to be, the cultural trajectory of these people has followed a very different historical development from that which we have had in Dixie since Jamestown 1607, or earlier. Such deep cultural differences naturally manifest themselves in all aspects of life, with music, language or social behaviour being some of those aspects.
    To Forum Member Toolio:
    The original post is an honest, well explained, and SERIOUS attempt at finding other enthusiasts of Old Time and Appalachian Mountain Music in its different cultural manifestations. Such a request has been done in this forum only AFTER an exhaustive search in the musical scene of Sao Paulo. Obviously without having found a positive result, because if some result could have been easily found, then there would have been no need of asking for help in this forum. If for example a Honky Tonk bar had immediately appeared in, say, Paulista Avenue or Anhangabau Valley, or if a Hillbilly Barn Dance had shown itself in, for instance, Paranapiacaba, Americana or Santa Barbara d’Oeste, then everything would be happiness and there would have been no necessity of disturbing the helpful Members of this Gringoes Forum with such requests for information. It has been requested because it has not been found so far. There is nothing wrong per se with such a simple request.
    You seem to be, Sir, a follower of the “rich Brazilian heritage”. That is Your freedom and Your right . Our right, AND OUR DUTY, is to keep a staunch Loyalty to the -not less rich- Historical and Cultural Heritage of the Confederate States of America. This, of course, fully includes our ancestral forms of language, music, or dance, besides plenty of other distinctive characteristics. The natural wish of keeping our Tradition alive cannot be criticised, in fair Justice. We are not imposing our ways on these people. Conversely, we have the undeniable right, and also the unrelinquishable obligation, of transmitting to Posterity the Esteemed Treasure that has been bequeathed to us by our ancestors of yore, lovingly kept intact through countless generations. Be it in Brazil, or be it in China, we shall live and die unconditionally Loyal to our Nation.
    If You wish, Sir, to show the World how much You appreciate and love Your “rich Brazilian music”, then by all means, feel free to do so. Do not expect, however, to convince everyone for loving Your music, same as we do not dream of attracting masses of Brazilian followers to a Dixie Cultural Tradition that seems to be almost unknown here. For us, our Culture is an intrinsic part of our growth, since our tenderest childhood. For them, it sounds like something exotic and incomprehensible. The opposite is also true, of course. One of the Brazilians asked showed in his computer a video of what he called “Familia Buscape”, or something like that. It was nothing less than our lovely, old television series, “The Beverly Hillbillies”, featuring the beautiful Bluegrass Music of Lester Flatt, Earl Scruggs and the Foggy Mountain Boys at the start of every episode. Therefore, our Music may be a little better known here, than Yours is known in our Country. If for better or for worse, that is only a matter of personal perspective. Keep it at that, and respect the choices made by others. Live Your Culture, Sir, and let others live their own.
    Dixieland for ever !
    25th January 2013
    P. A. Stonemann
    —-
    [/QUOTE]

    Ah, while you’re here Colonel,could you please let us have a peek at the recipe for your wonderful Kentucky friedchicken? Meanwhile, Sir, we offer our humble salutations to you and the entire Sandersfamily along with the recommendation that you avail yourself of the music of Vangelis for your utter enchantmentand timely introduction to modernity.

    P.S. I trust that the ChickenGeorge and the rest of the darkies continue to bring in the cotton?

  • #234508

    toolio
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Esprit]

    Ah, while you’re here Colonel,could you please let us have a peek at the recipe for your wonderful Kentucky friedchicken? Meanwhile, Sir, we offer our humble salutations to you and the entire Sandersfamily along with the recommendation that you avail yourself of the music of Vangelis for your utter enchantmentand timely introduction to modernity.

    P.S. I trust that the ChickenGeorge and the rest of the darkies continue to bring in the cotton?

    [/QUOTE]
    If my assumption above is correct he’s far worse than the Colonel–he’s the Grand Wizard. This represents a potential new low for forum membership.

  • #234510

    Deleted User
    Moderator

    [QUOTE=toolio][QUOTE=Esprit]

    Ah, while you’re here Colonel,could you please let us have a peek at the recipe for your wonderful Kentucky friedchicken? Meanwhile, Sir, we offer our humble salutations to you and the entire Sandersfamily along with the recommendation that you avail yourself of the music of Vangelis for your utter enchantmentand timely introduction to modernity.

    P.S. I trust that the ChickenGeorge and the rest of the darkies continue to bring in the cotton?

    [/QUOTE]
    If my assumption above is correct he’s far worse than the Colonel–he’s the Grand Wizard. This represents a potential new low for forum membership.
    [/QUOTE]

    Alternatively it could be some kindof dubious orifice attempting to emulate the style; hence the unusual full nameappendage. Still, assuming the worst, it must be galling to deal with theminimum wage in this day and age.

  • #234521

    Stuart Mark
    Participant

    Don’t feed the troll.

    Solteropolitano2013-01-25 16:59:24

  • #234522

    ozdodgeydude
    Member

    Forum Member Toolio,
    You are converting what has simply been a request for information about music, into a political diatribe. This forum may not be the place for engaging into political discussions, but yes, I am exactly the person that You have found. I am well known in the political scene, in which I have been active for my entire life, just like many other members of my background.
    The owners of this forum may not appreciate Your enthusiastic desire for indulging into political debates and endless speculations, so it is probably better to leave it at that, but let me add that I know Canadian History in detail. I am aware that Quebec also has a strong Secessionist Movement, and that Quebecois Nationalists are not comfortable at being ruled from Ottawa.
    They were French nationals until the French-British War of 1756-1763, when British General Wolf won the Battle of Abraham Heights against French Marechal Montcalm. To this day, Quebecois may feel closer to the still French Saint Pierre et Miquelon Islands, than they do to English Canada, although I of course know that the two languages enjoy official status in Canada. Probably You know that Brazil Colony briefly occupied Uruguay until it became independent, and that Brazil Empire had in the 1830’s the Secessionist Movement of “Republica dos Pampas”, led by President Bento Gonzalves in what is now Rio Grande do Sul. You may find it under the name of “Guerra dos Farrapos”.
    I am strong in History, and yes, I also know in detail the evolution of our own Country Music, from its Irish background and its even earlier Celtic Culture. I do not think, however, that we have to enter into that kind of conversation, but if You insist, I am fully prepared to do it. I suggest that we make an effort to keep its political connotations aside, because as You may know, the current struggle between Irish Nationalists and pro-British persons in Ireland, also tinges strongly the cultural scene.
    I have not said that Brazilians have an “obligation” to know our Culture, I have only stated as a fact that they do not. They of course are perfectly entitled to their own Culture, but using the name “Country Music” is somewhat confusing. For what I have researched, the expressions “Musica de Raiz” or “Musica Caipira” seem to be somehow more appropriate. This is, however, only a semantic disquisition, which does not deserve rivers of ink. Let them call it as they wish.
    I believe that if You have something to say, which might per chance be in dislike of the owners of this forum, You might have the kindness of saying it by private message to me, rather than distracting the other Members of this Gringoes Forum with conversations that they may fail to appreciate. But You are, anyway, a more veteran member of the forum, and it is to be assumed that You know what is permissible and what is not. I am, however, expecting to find other enthusiasts of Old Time Country Music, not to enter into political talk in this forum. If You wish to do that, I know of other Internet locations that might prove better places for Your political interests. This one is not, I am afraid.
    Dixieland for ever !
    25th January 2013
    P. A. Stonemann
    —-

  • #234525

    toolio
    Participant

    [QUOTE=CSS Dixieland]Forum Member Toolio,
    You are converting what has simply been a request for information about music, into a political diatribe. This forum may not be the place for engaging into political discussions, but yes, I am exactly the person that You have found. I am well known in the political scene, in which I have been active for my entire life, just like many other members of my background.
    The owners of this forum may not appreciate Your enthusiastic desire for indulging into political debates and endless speculations, so it is probably better to leave it at that, but let me add that I know Canadian History in detail. I am aware that Quebec also has a strong Secessionist Movement, and that Quebecois Nationalists are not comfortable at being ruled from Ottawa.
    They were French nationals until the French-British War of 1756-1763, when British General Wolf won the Battle of Abraham Heights against French Marechal Montcalm. To this day, Quebecois may feel closer to the still French Saint Pierre et Miquelon Islands, than they do to English Canada, although I of course know that the two languages enjoy official status in Canada. Probably You know that Brazil Colony briefly occupied Uruguay until it became independent, and that Brazil Empire had in the 1830’s the Secessionist Movement of “Republica dos Pampas”, led by President Bento Gonzalves in what is now Rio Grande do Sul. You may find it under the name of “Guerra dos Farrapos”.
    I am strong in History, and yes, I also know in detail the evolution of our own Country Music, from its Irish background and its even earlier Celtic Culture. I do not think, however, that we have to enter into that kind of conversation, but if You insist, I am fully prepared to do it. I suggest that we make an effort to keep its political connotations aside, because as You may know, the current struggle between Irish Nationalists and pro-British persons in Ireland, also tinges strongly the cultural scene.
    I have not said that Brazilians have an “obligation” to know our Culture, I have only stated as a fact that they do not. They of course are perfectly entitled to their own Culture, but using the name “Country Music” is somewhat confusing. For what I have researched, the expressions “Musica de Raiz” or “Musica Caipira” seem to be somehow more appropriate. This is, however, only a semantic disquisition, which does not deserve rivers of ink. Let them call it as they wish.
    I believe that if You have something to say, which might per chance be in dislike of the owners of this forum, You might have the kindness of saying it by private message to me, rather than distracting the other Members of this Gringoes Forum with conversations that they may fail to appreciate. But You are, anyway, a more veteran member of the forum, and it is to be assumed that You know what is permissible and what is not. I am, however, expecting to find other enthusiasts of Old Time Country Music, not to enter into political talk in this forum. If You wish to do that, I know of other Internet locations that might prove better places for Your political interests. This one is not, I am afraid.
    Dixieland for ever !
    25th January 2013
    P. A. Stonemann
    —-
    [/QUOTE]
    I will discuss nothing whatsover with a person of your kind. I do not deal with hatemongers. This is the end of my participation in this discussion.

  • #234529

    Stuart Mark
    Participant

    [QUOTE=toolio] I took a minute to discover who you are, courtesy of Google. If what I read is to be believed, you live in Brasil. You’re also someone who describes your late wife (sorry for your loss) as “a courageous fighter for the Aryan race and the Confederate Nation. ” This does not bode well for your tolerance of others, I am afraid. Nor does your original post or your recent reply.
    However, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to clarify. Are you the same P.A. Stoneman whose Internet references include membership in the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation? Are you the author of:
    “Aryan page Providing Knowledge for the Victory of the Aryan Race
    Fighting in defence of our Language, Religion and Eternal Values
    We are not the last of yesterday, we are the first of tomorrow !!! “
    Is this you?
    http://www.cssdixieland.heliohost.org/START.HTM
    http://www.cssdixieland.heliohost.org/ARYAN.HTM
    If so, in my humble opinion you have no place in this forum, this country or in my world. If not, my apologies for connecting you with such a despicable human being.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CSS Dixieland]yes, I am exactly the person that You have found. I am well known in the political scene, in which I have been active for my entire life, just like many other members of my background. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=toolio] I will discuss nothing whatsover with a person of your kind. I do not deal with hatemongers. This is the end of my participation in this discussion.
    [/QUOTE] Ditto for me.

  • #234530

    Anonymous

    OK I read everything, now I just have a question for Dixieland.
    So you did your research and you found out that probably “Musica de Raiz” or “Musica Caipira” would be more appropriate to call the “Brazilian Country”.
    Giving a suggestion like that, for the brazilians to change the name of their music shouldn’t be a political issue?
    And as far as I understood you disagree because they are calling their music “country”.
    Maybe you got offended because of them calling their kind of music using the same name as the music and the culture you were raised in.
    Maybe that happened because they don’t know about our culture and wanted to use the word because american and english UK music is worldwide.
    But just to answer your question. M√∫sica de Raíz, it’s the root of the sertanejo in Brazil, it comes from down south Rio Grande do Sul and it is disappearing from the country because of the music industry.
    It’s the kind of music they were used to play during the southern colonization of the country.
    M√∫sica Caipira is the music played by farmer families in parties they were used to do after a good season. Both are very distinct styles and you can tell by listening to it. I think you know that.
    Sertanejo, it’s kind of a mix between M√∫sica de Raíz and M√∫sica Caipira that somebody came up with for the music industry. In other words music made just to sell. Like all we have today. That explains why M√∫sica de raíz is disappearing from the country, nobody wants to listen, it’s not well known, it doesn’t make money.
    Concluding, sertanejo is the market music they sell here, a lot of people call Country Music just to be cute.
    They love to use english words to make something fancy, that’s all.
    BTW, you got your answer and I’m out of this too.Wagner2013-01-25 17:02:16

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    Stuart Mark
    Participant
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    Deleted User
    Moderator

    [QUOTE=toolio]
    …Is this you?
    http://www.cssdixieland.heliohost.org/START.HTM
    http://www.cssdixieland.heliohost.org/ARYAN.HTM
    If so, in my humble opinion you have no place in this forum, this country or in my world. If not, my apologies for connecting you with such a despicable human being.
    Standard of the Order of
    [/QUOTE]

    Imagine my surprise, having clickedon one of the links, seeing a photo depicting the tad narcissistic P. A.Stonemann striking a rather self-satisfied pose. The guy is quite thedoppelganger of the late Cuban musician, Desi Arnaz, former husband of Lucille Ball of “I love Lucy fame.” I say surprisegiven that this quadroon fancies himself an Aryan race warrior; what am Imissing here?

  • #234548

    ozdodgeydude
    Member

    Forum Member Mister Wagner:
    Thanks, Sir, You have been the only one with a truly informative reply. I am interested in what You have explained, and although I have some knowledge of the topic, I perceive that You have studied it in deeper detail. To continue our conversation along that objective and mutually respectful line would be important, I believe, to both of us. I suggest, however, that if You wish to continue in contact with me, then You do it by private message or through the Forum of E-Nationalist at:
    http://www.enationalist.com/forum/
    That is because I have no intention of continuing my posting in this forum, considering that some of its members are so indoctrinated by liberal egalitarian non-sense, that they cannot separate a legitimate request for information about music, from their brain pre-programmed prejudice against everyone thinking differently from Big Brother.
    Toolio and Esprit:
    As said in the lines above, You have allowed yourselves to be caught by liberal propaganda. I can boast to be a warrior, because it has costed me not small dangers, up to and including having seriously risked my life. Something that you, perhaps, have not experienced. Continue with that thinking of yours. I shall keep my deep convictions FOR EVER. You will not change them. Violence, prison and exile have not changed them
    Solteropolitano:
    Internet access is done via a mobile device that LACKS THE CAPABILITY OF PLAYING VIDEOS, of any format. I probably know more of computer technical complexities than you do, for I have created my entire Web document from scratch, using just a very simple text editor. Besides, I work with command-line operating systems, preferable over graphic interface by programmers like me, who know their command codes by heart. And I am not a “troll”, because I do not intend to provoke strife simply for the sake of it. On the contrary, I have never denied what my beliefs are. Like every loser who knows that he cannot win a debate using intelligent reasons, you are unnecessarily offensive and stupid.
    Farewell, ye all.

  • #234569

    jheathco
    Member

    Well, that certainly takes the “biggest idiot of the forum” award, for all time.

  • #253054

    adorasmith
    Member

    What? Mommy, are we in the Twilight Zone?
    I’m sympathetic to bluegrass being a relative of the infamous “Banjo Man from Turkey Creek,” but dude!? Are you freaking serious?
    do-do, do-do; do-do, do-do…

  • #24490

    alemaobaiano
    Member
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    CSS Dixieland
    Participant

    It is a pity to see how many brainless stupids have swallowed the modern
    liberal, non-sense, and FALSE propaganda of ‘racial equality’.

    Because those liberal cranks are stupid, and their notion completely false,
    they cannot use any arguments. They only write a few lines, or even just one
    line, where the only thing they do is insulting. Insults they receive back.
    They are only degenerated, materialist, consumist, hateful mongol idiots.

    The recent reaction in European nations, and in North America with President
    Mr Trump, shows that there is a re-awakening of White racial pride, fighting
    back against the sad situation of our White brethren in places like Rhodesia
    or South Africa. Kikes and niggers will be again put in their proper place.

    Their liberal accomplices will also pay for the catastrophic consequences in
    which they have put White Civilisation, with mass-immigration of monkeys
    directly from the jungle, their criminality, immorality, and parasitism.

    Serious readers of this forum can consult any of the following books,
    available for free at Project Gutenberg:

    http://www.gutenberg.org/

    -The Moral and Intellectual Diversity of Races, by T. S. Arthur and Comte de
    Gobineau

    -The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy, by Theodore Lothrop
    Stoddard

    -The Races of Man (Anthropology and Ethnography), by Joseph Deniker

    -The Natural History of the Varieties of Man, by Robert Gordon Latham

    -Odd People (Singular Races of Man), by Mayne Reid

    -Human Animals, by Frank Hamel

    -On the Phenomena of Hybridity in the Genus Homo, by Paul Broca

    -The Quest for a Lost Race, by Thomas E. Pickett

    -Man and the Glacial Period, by G. Frederick Wright

    -The Progress of Ethnology, by John Russell Bartlett

    -The Ethnology of Europe, by Robert Gordon Latham

    Not in Project Gutenberg, because it is still under legal copy-right, this
    book offers detailed scientific explanations proving conclusively that racial
    characteristics comprise an ample set of physical AND MENTAL differences:

    -Race, by John Randall Baker

    Comments on some of the above books, or how to find paper printings of the
    master-piece written by Professor Baker, are available in Internet.

    WE ARE NOT THE LAST OF YESTERDAY, WE ARE THE FIRST OF TOMORROW !!!

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