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  • #266415

    Anonymous

    Seriously! In the time I have been living in Brazil, I have heard SO many stories about how first cousins marry first cousins. Well I have heard of this elsewhere as well, but the stories up here also include how brothers and sisters get it on till the brother finds out he’s gay, how blood brothers (who grew up together in the same house and have the same mommy and daddy) fell in love with each other, and MORE! I can’t say that I am frustrated by this as much as I am fascinated and a little grossed out-but-still-fascinated by it! And each time I have this weirded out reaction to all this incest, they look at me like I’M the one with antlers growing out of my brain! Many of them also detail what I would consider blatant sexual abuse by an older person in the family or friend, but they often look back with fond memories of this abuse!

    I mean CHRIST! There is even a study about 1 particular region so rife with incest that they have spawned a group of disorders to match the incest
    And I suspect there are many more regions affected by this type of thing, but this particular study just happened to focus on one region.
    I have been trying to understand why so many people here are SO hypersexual (even though they think of themselves as pristine Catholics who are “hard to get!”) I mean SERIOUSLY!! I try to have an open mind when they tell me that they are just comfortable in their bodies and wearing almost nothing is not the same as being a naked hoe, or that they are just “touch” people…. But MY GAWD!
    And that is all Smile
  • #266417

    Kathy2012
    Participant

  • #266418

    815
    Member

    My wife has two, yes TWO sets of first cousin uncle and aunt pairs on her father’s side. They are from the “cu de Minas”. It seems to be very common there.

  • #266420

    Anonymous

    there are some genetic disorders here (most notably a rare thyroid disorder in children, if i’m not mistaken) that persist in very alarming numbers here in Paranì° due to intermarriage. this, though, seems to have sprung out of old “colonies”, principally of Ukrainians, Russians, and maybe Poles, who were encouraged to marry in rather than marry out (like the Amish and other religious communities). as the colonies fell apart, the problem should go away– the solution to pollution is dilution, right?

    [that said, i have been alarmed at the lack of basic biological knowledge among women. even though you can buy birth control at any pharmacy, i have met women who had no idea whatsoever how their bodies worked. add to that what i consider to be the flip side of the catholic coin, which is the shrugging dismissal of things as “natural, what can you do” (allowing children to be monsters, abuse to happen in the home, etc, the streets to overflow with unwanted pets because “it’s not natural” to spay them) and you have unpleasant results]
  • #266425

    vcbkol
    Member

    Maybe it is not really necessary for one to not be a forensic anthropologist, neither a scientist to not simply observe “the multitude” of shockingly similar physiognomies along your more than 220 mil population. This has nothing to do with the personality or class typologies that are not so many either..

    If you are so much related to eachother in terms of such closeness between familly members, then why you guys don-t collaborate as a big familly instead of eating eachother in any way?

    gringovacilao2014-05-07 09:28:08

  • #266436

    Anonymous

    @ Paulistano – YES! I KEEP running into families like this too! I have several friends/ aquaintances who are either in this sort of marriage, or they have the trend somewhere in the family!

    @ 3casas – I have heard of cousin marriages for royal families, and still hear about this in other places as well. But yes, the deviant sexual behavior is quite alarming! And I have also seen these ignorant women and men who don’t know how babies are made, etc.! Here in Fortaleza, there is a sh*tload of money being spent to try to educate these communities when they come to the hospital. I have actually sat thru a sex education class here full of adults (17 years – 30’s and 40’s) and many of them have never even seen a condom!!! WHAT??!!!Shocked
    And definitely up here, there is that hyper – sexuality! I sometimes feel like everyone in the room – men AND women – would like to screw me! I always laugh when my Brazilian friends get outraged at the racism they face in places like Italy and Spain because they are viewed as prostitutes (but if you go to either of those places, you will see a LOT of Brazilian prostitutes!), because they are not aware that a lot of their “normal” social cues are considered a little hoe-ish in other places!
    It’s so ridiculous now, that any time someone smiles at me sheepishly and asks:
    ” Hey Bama…do you know what (insert Brazilian slang) means??”
    I can always answer correctly:
    ” Does it mean sex, penis, vagina, anal sex, or sex with an animal?”
    And they ALWAYS fall all over themselves laughing because I was able to “guess” correctlyLOL
    @gringovacilao – We DO collaborate with one another in other places! It’s just that it is usually frowned upon to have sex with your close relatives as a form of collaboration!!
  • #266438

    kenalag
    Member

    First i read about incest here was in the recent articles about that woman they lynched in Guaruja, thinking she is a “witch”…

    Folha writes: She was a cousin of her husband. Both started dating after her 15th birthday.
    She had a miscarriage in her first pregnancy and another child stillborn 4 years later…
    Brr…
  • #266439

    Anonymous

    @Willi – I read this story too! Yes, they said that the town killed her based upon a freaking DRAWING that was put out by someone, and that the woman resembled the person in the drawing. And I have a read several stories here that casually mention that the people in the story are cousins, like it ain’t no thing! There is even a freaking movie about brothers that fall in love, which I though was totally CRAZY till I started talking to people about it! Most of them seem to at least know someone who had feelings for a close siblingWackoHere’s the movie:

  • #266445

    Wow- in my 3.5 years in Brazil I never heard any stories of incest like you guys are talking about. Usually Brazilians are appalled when they come to the US or the UK and see how easily girls there get wasted drunk and go home with a guy they met that night! Seriously, I think the average Brazilian girl has far fewer sex partners in her lifetime than the average American, Australian or European- though I couldn’t quote the statistics on that. They might dress like strippers, doesn’t necessarily mean the behave like it(?)

    What shocked me were the stories of men fostering secret families behind their wive’s backs. My wife’s best friend and other best friend at work, both found out in their 30s that they had a whole other group of half-brothers and sisters they never even knew about. Their dad’s had been living a whole other double life with another “wife” and “children” and kept it under wraps for decades! Apparently this was, or maybe still is, very common.
    Another thing a Brazilian friend told me about was how many men lose their virginity to their live-in maids. Supposedly among upper-class families, the parents encourage the 13-14 yr old teenage boys to “sow their wild oats” with the cleaning lady, and “get it out of their system”. Anybody else heard stories to that effect?
  • #266446

    Anonymous

    @ donpelon – After living here and being a woman interacting with other women here, I feel that the “good girl who keeps her legs closed” is just a facade. It also depends on the “class” of the girl and what the man has to offer. If he lets her think – after tongue kissing her 15 minutes after meeting her – that they can have a future or that she might be able to trap him by getting getting pregnant, those legs will fly open faster than a bucket of fried chicken at my family reunion! But if she KNOWS that you don’t have the confidence to stick your tongue down her throat, or that youw will never marry her or agree to have a long distance skype relationship, they will stay closedLOL

    And I gotta agree with you on the secret family thing! This is actually the case with my in-laws! His dad has his primary family, but my husband -who is 33 now – started learning about secret brothers and sisters by different women when he was 17. So far he has found a brother, and 2 sisters! And, unfortunately, a lot of the women stay with these men because they don’t really have any bankable skills other than being the “lady of the house.” AND my father in-law refuses to accept that his actions have torn his “first” family apart!! It really is an insane situationDead
    Also, I have several male aquaintances who screwed the maid as their first! a lot of times the family maid is some country girl – 15 or 16 – who comes to live with the family, or is at least there a LOT! If it is a young live in maid, you can bet there is some f*cking going on! Some of these sons even have “secret” children with these maids that the families secretly pay for OR which they “adopt”. Oh the rabbit hole is SO deep…
  • #266447

    vcbkol
    Member

    bleahgringovacilao2014-05-08 09:07:46

  • #266448

    Fernandez
    Member

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira]but the stories up here also include how brothers and sisters get it on till the brother finds out he’s gay, how blood brothers (who grew up together in the same house and have the same mommy and daddy) fell in love with each other, and MORE! [/QUOTE]
    Mainstream movies, not to mention telenovelas, dish up such fare. Art imitating reality, or reality imitating art? Either way OP if this is what floats your boat, you would appear to have done your homework in choosing to live here.
    The fact that the following “general audience” film which has already run on basic cable caused so little controversy tells it all:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1shT2BLHRk
    ferrar2014-05-08 02:01:35

  • #266453

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=donpelon415]. Usually Brazilians are appalled when they come to the US or the UK and see how easily girls there get wasted drunk and go home with a guy they met that night!
    [/QUOTE]

    They say this “out of the side of their mouth” because in my experience, Brazilian girls are EQUALLY DTF.
    It’s the alcoholic pointing out the other guy’s drinking problem.
  • #266454

    ejboyd
    Member

    cousin marriages – isn’t this the main story of this new globo telenovela now? “Em Familia”.. namorar to her cousin and almost got married, and now the tio and sobrinha are namorando Confusedshowing this kind of story on tv just show how typical this kind of relationship is here in Brazil.

  • #266455

    Anybody found any statistics or studies on which nationality of women are the most promiscuous? I once read that New Zealand women had the most sex partners of any nation studied! I don’t know how Brazilian girls rank as compared to anyone else? Although with any of these surveys, men will probably say they’ve had more, while women say they slept with less ;-)

  • #266456

    Anonymous

    We live inpart of the third world where elements of the primitive society thrive. Thisthread smacks of a gossiping style of comment about the worse kind of readablevoyeurism; a perverse type of titillation that focuses beyond the simplicity ofthe sex act and into the suspect realms of taboo that also embraces thefantasies of the teratophiliac or the depravity of bestiality. Worried aboutthe gene pool from which the person you’re sleeping with comes? Scary! Stern Smile

  • #266457

    Yeah- I agree. I think foreigners tend to project a “tropical fruit bowl” exoticism onto Brazilians and their “wild/primitive” sex habits, that don’t always ring true in my experience. Sure, there’s prostitution and sex tourism galore in Brazil, this will occur anywhere there is dire poverty mixing with western wealth (ala Thailand, Cuba etc). In my experience, I’d say Brazilian teenagers are WAY more innocent regarding sex and drugs than their developed world suburban counterparts (though this is changing fast). Plenty of fat, middle-aged white men from Europe and North America can be found filling planes bound for the NE looking for trannies and under-aged boys and girls. I think this says far more about our own depraved gringo sex culture than Brazilian bedroom habits, sorry to say…

  • #266458

    agri2001
    Participant

    [QUOTE=donpelon415]Yeah- I agree. I think foreigners tend to project a “tropical fruit bowl” exoticism onto Brazilians and their “wild/primitive” sex habits, that don’t always ring true in my experience. Sure, there’s prostitution and sex tourism galore in Brazil, this will occur anywhere there is dire poverty mixing with western wealth (ala Thailand, Cuba etc). In my experience, I’d say Brazilian teenagers are WAY more innocent regarding sex and drugs than their developed world suburban counterparts (though this is changing fast). Plenty of fat, middle-aged white men from Europe and North America can be found filling planes bound for the NE looking for trannies and under-aged boys and girls. I think this says far more about our own depraved gringo sex culture than Brazilian bedroom habits, sorry to say…[/QUOTE]

    Maybe you should come to my neck of the woods and I can show you babies having babies galore.
    As far as drugs…pfft.
  • #266459

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=agri2001][QUOTE=donpelon415]Yeah- I agree. I think foreigners tend to project a “tropical fruit bowl” exoticism onto Brazilians and their “wild/primitive” sex habits, that don’t always ring true in my experience. Sure, there’s prostitution and sex tourism galore in Brazil, this will occur anywhere there is dire poverty mixing with western wealth (ala Thailand, Cuba etc). In my experience, I’d say Brazilian teenagers are WAY more innocent regarding sex and drugs than their developed world suburban counterparts (though this is changing fast). Plenty of fat, middle-aged white men from Europe and North America can be found filling planes bound for the NE looking for trannies and under-aged boys and girls. I think this says far more about our own depraved gringo sex culture than Brazilian bedroom habits, sorry to say…[/QUOTE]

    Maybe you should come to my neck of the woods and I can show you babies having babies galore.
    As far as drugs…pfft.

    [/QUOTE]

    I wish I lived in his world. The bairro where my wife was born is loaded with 14 year old mother`s and unless it was God who shot loads in them like Mary, I am afraid it was probably another dirty poor person of similar age.
    As I work in a prominent school in a small town, we hear what goes around in other schools. Our school is pretty innocent to tell you the truth but stories of bathroom fellatio and the like are abundant. As for drugs, I can honestly say that at least among the private school kids, you cannot compare with the US where in my junior high kids where getting high in the seventh grade.
  • #266460

    Anonymous

    LOL! “Promiscuity Statistics” in a country of pathological liars will probably be biased in their favor. i think all you need to look at is the booming Motel industry here and consider the fact that they are NOT being used by married couples and dudes with whores. One could hypothesize that they are here because people live with the folks until they get married. However, when you travel to other countries that have a culture similar to this (think Spain, Italy, Greece), you do NOT see Motels everywhere! We gotta face the fact that they are being used by unmarried Brazilian men and women! ESCANDALO!LOL

    If you are a man married to a Brazilian woman, and she told you that she was a virgin or that she only had one boyfriend before, BUT she is totes ok with anal, you might consider that she has not been completely honest with you!
    Most of the folks where I live are not that into drugs, but they are totally anything related to sexual activity – both the men and the women.
    I don’t think that foreign people are “projecting exoticism” onto Brazilians. I think that many of us just have eyes and report what is in front of our faces. What is in front of my face are things like:
    1. Close relative incest
    2. Girls being totes down for anal sex so that they can appear to be virgins when they get married.
    3. A sex motel arround every corner to facilitate all that anal sex.
    4. Folks who don’t know what condoms are.
    5. Brazilian women having a reputation for being a little hoe-ish when they go to America or Europe because they are a little hoe-ish when they go to those places.
    6. Good looking Brazilian chicks marrying gringo dudes who are like 3’s and 4’s in their native countries because gringoes are perceived as being “better” – particularly if they do not have dark hair or eyes.
    7. Gringoe dudes wondering how they got so lucky!
    8. Married guys with secret families and babies scattered all over the place.
    9. Students being allowed to kiss teachers ridiculously close too their mouths, or touch them in a questionable place without think twice cuz of the “culture”.
    Oooh LAWD! And that’s just the beginning! LOL
  • #266466

    Anonymous

    we also saw that compared to the US and the relatively decent public and previously private school here that my kid goes/has gone to, drug use, pregnancy, and teachers fiddling kids has all been pretty much the same (a few of each case). however, because here kids can leave school younger we aren’t seeing all the kids when we look at schools.

    we know secret families here, but in the US I don’t think it’s super uncommon either. my own grandfather had several secret families. it made for some pretty interesting family reunions at first, now it’s just pretty awesome (every single family cut him out. i don’t think he’s still alive, but nobody cares. he doesn’t come to the picnics.) FFS, my mother went to school with her half sister and nobody had a clue til they were in their 40s.
  • #266468

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=3casas] fiddling kids

    [/QUOTE]

    Great name for a hipster bluegrass band!
  • #266477

    I used to live in Japan, there’s Love Motels everywhere there as well. It’s a crowded place and kids live with their parents until their 30s. Married couples with kids want privacy, younger couples the same. I’m sure they’re used for unfaithful rendezvous as well. The younger teenagers would just use the rent-by-the hour private karaoke booths for after school orgies. Don’t put that microphone too close to your face, son…

    As far as anal goes, I remember a Muslim-American colleague at Uni once telling me that Arab girls are also notorious for backdoor with their boyfriends, aka preserving the all-important virginity. Just goes to show, that hijab doesn’t always mean innocent!
  • #266478

    Anonymous

    LOLI wonder where Arabic chicks rate on the “promiscuity index!” I think you can see “some” of the things in every place. My only point is that you can find ALL of them in abundance in Brazil (not that ther’s anything wrong with any of them, I guess)!

  • #266479

    Again, this is all our own personal observations. I never lived in the NE, I did hear stores about father incesting their daughters and putting them out on the street in Fortaleza, but again these are “stories”.

    When I lived in Sao Paulo, the majority of the Brazilians I knew were my wife’s family and friends. Mostly humble, family-oriented, 1st generation in college, rising lower-middle class types. Really, very sweet, salt-of-the earth kinda folk. I never saw or heard about this kind of wanton, promiscuous behavior in the circles I knew (except for the secret family things going on). Most Brazilian women I met in Sampa, seemed very attached to their boyfriend: “The One” and longed for marriage and kids. Perhaps it’s all a front, but my own experiences growing up and partying/drinking/drugs in the States seemed like an alien planet to these folks. They seemed like how I imagined the US back in the 50s… Again, I’m sure others have had different experiences and it’s hard to generalize across such a huge country of 220 million.
  • #266486

    Anonymous

    @donpelon – so you think all the scandal only happens in the NE and in neighborhoods to people who are not associated with you or anyone you know in Brazil…and really, secret families, incest, sex motels around every corner,and girls who screw gringos in hopes of having an anchor baby are kinda equally common everywhere int he world…and people in sampa know nothing of all these tawdry things….der…OK! Actually, I could believe that, as most of the people I meet – regardless of where they are from here – really have no idea about what is happening in their own backyard. Try getting someone to coherently explain the Bolsa Familia Welfare scheme intelligently, ask them about the steep increase in vigilante killings around the country, or explain why no one -including educators – seems to know how the Portuguese language works, even though Portuguese people and Portuguese speaking Africans seem to understand it just fine. Most of them …just…CAN’T! So I actually believe you (not that you care or anything…just sayinWink)bamabrasileira2014-05-09 23:54:56

  • #266522

    Just sayin that was my own personal experience and observations within the circles of people I came to know in SP. No way denying that of course there is incest, infidelity, child prostitution etc etc in Sao Paulo, just like everywhere else in the world. Cafe Foto, the most exclusive brothel in SP, was just around the corner from where I used to work. Anyway, everyone’s experience is different wherever they go, and again, it’s hard to generalize and say that all regional cultures are the same across all cities, states and social classes of Brazil. It’s a huge a country!

  • #266523

    Anonymous

    @donpelon – Yes I understand where you are coming from – that you can never say that anything applies to 100% of people anywhere at any time, and that the 6 – 8 bilion people who inhabit the earth are all likely to have experiences that vary from time to time. I AgreeLOLI also think it is possible that you do not really know everything about the people that surround you. As I have said, you live in a country of pathological liars who can be both vicious and childlike. It is nice that you have seen the “nice” side of your small community of folk in SP. Just don’t ever be surprised if / when you begin to hear otherwise. But if you are an American or European male, I am fairly certain the info won’t come to you unless you seek it out. The ones I have met up here in the NE have an odd cluelessness about what is happening around them! Usually it is because they are married to Brazilian women who will anything to protect them and make them as comfortable as possible. The women are different, as they tend to be more informed about things. Incidentally, most of the Child diddling, cousin marrying, sex motel going, secret family having people that I have met here are all fine, upstanding Christians like the folks you talk about. It’s just that they all are ALSO all these other things as well. Nevertheless, i still see where you are coming from!

    Over and Out!Smile
  • #266551

    “Incidentally, most of the Child diddling, cousin marrying, sex motel going, secret family having people that I have met here are all fine, upstanding Christians”. That could be anywhere in the US, or anywhere else religion is found! People hide behind their church, no doubt…

  • #266556

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=donpelon415]”Incidentally, most of the Child diddling, cousin marrying, sex motel going, secret family having people that I have met here are all fine, upstanding Christians”. That could be anywhere in the US, or anywhere else religion is found! People hide behind their church, no doubt…[/QUOTE]

    +1
  • #266563

    Anonymous

    @frank – I KNOW!! That was the whole point of starting the thread…because they think incest and child molestation are ok!!!

  • #266564

    Anonymous

    @donpelon – Nah, I haven’t been to too many places in the world where I hear people openly talking about about ALL these things. I agree that they happen everywhere. I am simply incredulous that many (if not most) of these things are not really considered taboo enough to not talk about … openly …in front other people…. who are not close friends… or family! I am fascinated because these taboos are NOT taboos here!LOL

  • #266587

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=bamabrasileira]@frank – I KNOW!! That was the whole point of starting the thread…because they think incest and child molestationare ok!!![/QUOTE]

    Whoa, whoa, whoa…..you really think that? WHO ARE YOU ROLLING WITH?????
    I am positive that vast majority of Brazilians are against child molestation!!!
    Either:
    1. You hang with the wrong people.
    2. You have a distorted perception of reality (perhaps through the lens of a closet pedo?)
    3. You are trolling to get a rise out of people.
  • #266606

    Anonymous

    @ Paulistano – LOL! I LOVE when people give me a short list of choices about what MUST be wrong with me, when they cannot believe something!

    I am afraid that none of your “choices” accurately fit my reality. In truth, I am just a person whom others feel comfortable being honest with. This has been true for me my whole life. When people get comfortable with you, the truth usually comes out. Generally, you cannot tell what the “truth” will be just by looking at another person. Just as I said before, this is precisely why I started the thread. I focussed on incest, but the rabbit hole is very deep here! And if you said the words “child molester”, “incest” , or “rapist” to any of these folks, they would be shocked, because their reality/ definitions of things are not as cut and dry as YOUR understandings of these words/ contexts! And yet, these are exactly the things they are talking about. Sorry to burst your bubble dudeConfused
  • #266608

    Anonymous

    It’s becoming abundantly clear the op can be safelydiagnosed as a paraphilic; a type of mental disorder. Symptoms include a strong sexual taste or arousalto abnormal or peculiar relationships.

    The op confesses that throughout herlife, once she befriends someone and makes them feel comfortable in her trust,she introduces the topic and seeks their truth but with a special focus on incest.Who does that! Perhaps the problem rests in a confused guilty pleasure withdaddy? Whatever the strong interest is it ain’t academic study going on in herwet rabbit hole.

  • #266610

    Anonymous

    @Esprit – Or maybe people feel comfortable talking to me and THEY introduce the topics of their lives, not thinking that there is anything “wrong” with them. And perhaps my surprise at the number of people who were sharing these personal truths with me prompted me to start this threadWinkbamabrasileira2014-05-14 21:04:00

  • #267041

    JHZcali24
    Member

    My wife’s childhood friend from Manaus married her first cousin. They are completely happy, and they have normal children, so I do not see what the problem is.

  • #267051

    Marc Maserati
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Amazonian]My wife’s childhood friend from Manaus married her first cousin. They are completely happy, and they have normal children, so I do not see what the problem is.[/QUOTE]

    It’s really not the first generation which will have the mental and physical problems. What they need to worry about are the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time in a family that siblings and close cousins marry and if this culture embraces kin folk marriage, populations as a whole will suffer greater numbers of mental retardation, higher demand for social services and a further degradation of society.
    Yeah, this should be avoided.
    -Marc
  • #267053

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Amazonian]My wife’s childhood friend from Manaus married her first cousin. They are completely happy, and they have normal children, so I do not see what the problem is.[/QUOTE]

    A comment like this is clear evidence that having opposable thumbsis not a strict requirement to punch a keyboard and post on this forum. Thelack of education or even innate evolutionary knowledge is of no defence forsuch ignorance of this taboo in human breeding behaviour. What is appalling, ifnot frightening, about this comment is that some vague anecdotal evidence abouthis wife’s childhood friend who married a first cousin and had healthy childrenoutweighs fully documented and proven studies by biologists and geneticists inconnection with disabilities andcongenital anomalies that result from inbreeding. Yet theposter cannot see the problems associated with incest. My God, they walk amongus.

  • #267056

    JHZcali24
    Member

    This is simple conversation, so there is no need for insults. If wish to inform, site your source that shows the issue with this practice. Trying to elevate yourself by putting me down shows a lack of decorum. Não respeito senhor.

  • #267061

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=Amazonian]This is simple conversation, so there is no need for insults. If wish to inform, site your source that shows the issue with this practice. Trying to elevate yourself by putting me down shows a lack of decorum. Não respeito senhor.[/QUOTE]

    Please understand that if you accept anecdotal hearsay evidence withregard to incest from unqualified and biased sources in preference to not onlycommon knowledge and almost universal legal statute yet, more particularly,scientific evidential proof, then by your own admission you are blind to whatis patently obvious to allâ‚Ǩ and here I want to be super polite â‚Ǩ to all but theeccentric and that disadvantaged few among us in whose numbers you includeyourself. In the interests of any offspring resulting from such sexual impetuousgratifications might I suggest that you educate yourself on the subject beforeimplying that inbreeding is not a problem?

  • #267062

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    There actually isn’t really a measurable risk of genetic problems in the kids of first cousins.

  • #267071

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]There actually isn’t really a measurable risk of genetic problems in the kids of first cousins. [/QUOTE]

    This is an inaccuratestatement. Several studies have concluded that not only are the risksmeasurable, they are significantly high enough to warrant serious warning. Theincidence of problematic conditions can be 22% greater in the case of firstcousin’s incestuous offspring.

    The issue relates to the existence of up to asmany as six harmful recessive genes in the general population if, when made homozygous,that is to say having the same alleles or corresponding pairs would cause geneticillness or disease. We need not look to modern science other than for detailed confirmationof the observances of ancient Man who was keenly aware of the health andstrength of the tribe but also the vigour in their animal husbandry.

  • #267665

    Tony
    Participant

    Bamabrasileira
    Most of your accounts on Brazilian promiscuity are spot on.
    There is also plenty of child’s born out of the wedlock. Men here take women for granted here, even after laws have been overhauled.
    A tell tale example would be a number of prostitutes who have kids to support with absentee fathers. Never mind child support. Many if these such girls embark on supporting their kids on their own, since there is no recourse. And to think they would plaster subway walls with photos of deadbeat dads back stateside.
    Now, you can take this whole army of sex workers, I am sure, without looking at any stats, the sheer majority of them get into the life because it is the only viable option they have. Not by a long shot this is a career choice, or the budding prostitute is a bona fire ninfomaniac. There are mouths to feed. And even at times, their boyfriends.
    Now as for overtly sexuality of American and Brazilian young women, well, both may manifest their sexuality in different ways, yet at the end is just the same result. Back in the 80’s American girls in mill tones were pushing baby strollers down the street, while their colleagues or even themselves were dressing like Madonna. They only reason they didn’t turn prostitution as a cottage industry had to do with the fact back then we had something called Welfare State which eventually dried up as the State sought to enroll them in study to work programs. Boyfriends also chipped in for the extra, then and now.
    For one thing, if you can make the distinction, you will come to accept that there are different strokes for different blokes.
    All women strive for men’s attention, just as men do. American women may find that going for drinks and bonding with guys works better. Brazilian women engage in flirty behavior and spend their pay checks on sundries, clothing, sexy underwear.Brazilian women, on their account, strive to show their formed on tightly clad clothing, much to their discomfort. American women want comfort, and rather be wined and dined.
    As for those lads boning their maids, I suspect it is true. I didn’t have it at home since we only had a maid when mother was pregnant. And even then, she fired those lazy Brazilians. She grew up in the farm. She could do better without them.
    It is just the way it is.
    So stop nagging.

  • #267692

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Esprit] [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]There actually isn’t really a measurable risk of genetic problems in the kids of first cousins. [/QUOTE]

    <p =”Msonormal” style=”mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom: .0001pt;line-height:150%”><span style=”font-size: 9pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;”>This is an inaccurate
    statement. Several studies have concluded that not only are the risks
    measurable, they are significantly high enough to warrant serious warning. The
    incidence of problematic conditions can be 22% greater in the case of first
    cousin’s incestuous offspring.¬†</span><p =”Msonormal” style=”mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom: .0001pt;line-height:150%”><span style=”font-size: 9pt; line-height: 150%; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;”>The issue relates to the existence of up to as
    many as six harmful recessive genes in the general population if, when made homozygous,
    that is to say having the same alleles or corresponding pairs would cause genetic
    illness or disease. We need not look to modern science other than for detailed confirmation
    of the observances of ancient Man who was keenly aware of the health and
    strength of the tribe but also the vigour in their animal husbandry. <o:p></o:p></span>

    [/QUOTE]
    Source? Because this goes against literally everything I’ve ever read on the topic.

  • #267699

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN] [QUOTE=Esprit] [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]There actually isn’t really a measurable risk of genetic problems in the kids of first cousins. [/QUOTE]

    This is an inaccurate statement. Several studies have concluded that not only are the risks
    measurable, they are significantly high enough to warrant serious warning. The incidence of problematic conditions can be 22% greater in the case of first cousin’s incestuous offspring.
    The issue relates to the existence of up to as many as six harmful recessive genes in the general population if, when made homozygous, that is to say having the same alleles or corresponding pairs would cause genetic illness or disease. We need not look to modern science other than for detailed confirmation of the observances of ancient Man who was keenly aware of the health and strength of the tribe but also the vigour in their animal husbandry.[/QUOTE]
    Source? Because this goes against literally everything I’ve ever read on the topic. [/QUOTE]

    I wouldof course be happy to provide a scientific research study source but, beforedoing so, I am intrigued if not fascinated by the challenge suggested by your manyalleged readings of contradictory evidence on the topic of incest that suggestsinterbreeding between first cousins is free of risk for the offspring.Meanwhile you will no doubt be aware that non-scientific anecdotal evidence,while of limited interest, is unacceptable as exampled by a remark such as:”Grandpa smoked for fifty-years but didn’t get cancerâ‚Ǩ¬¶therefore smoking isharmless.”

  • #267702

    815
    Member

    [QUOTE=Esprit] Meanwhile you will no doubt be aware that non-scientific anecdotal evidence,while of limited interest, is unacceptable as exampled by a remark such as:”Grandpa smoked for fifty-years but didn’t get cancerâ‚Ǩ¬¶therefore smoking isharmless.”
    [/QUOTE]

    But’s it’s so useful when you are an addict! Wink
  • #267703

    Marc Maserati
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Paulistano USA][QUOTE=Esprit] Meanwhile you will no doubt be aware that non-scientific anecdotal evidence,while of limited interest, is unacceptable as exampled by a remark such as:”Grandpa smoked for fifty-years but didn’t get cancerâ‚Ǩ¬¶therefore smoking isharmless.”
    [/QUOTE]

    But’s it’s so useful when you are an addict! Wink

    [/QUOTE]

    Who are you suggesting is addicted to incest?Tongue
  • #267713

    815
    Member

    I meant using anecdotal evidence to carry on certain behaviors that one knows they should not be participating in; not necessarily incest but…..LOLone could do just this if one were so inclined to hump their cousin “raw dog”

  • #267718

    Marc Maserati
    Participant

    Haha, so very wrong!Smile

    -Marc
  • #267731

    Kathy2012
    Participant

    [QUOTE=Esprit] [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN] [QUOTE=Esprit] [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]There actually isn’t really a measurable risk of genetic problems in the kids of first cousins. [/QUOTE]

    <span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>This is an inaccurate¬†</span>statement. Several studies have concluded that not only are the risks
    measurable, they are significantly high enough to warrant serious warning. The incidence of problematic conditions can be 22% greater in the case of first cousin’s incestuous offspring.
    The issue relates to the existence of up to as¬†<span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>many as six harmful recessive genes in the general population if, when made homozygous,¬†</span><span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>that is to say having the same alleles or corresponding pairs would cause genetic¬†</span><span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>illness or disease. We need not look to modern science other than for detailed confirmation¬†</span><span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>of the observances of ancient Man who was keenly aware of the health and¬†</span><span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>strength of the tribe but also the vigour in their animal husbandry.</span><span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>[/QUOTE]</span><br style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”><span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>¬†</span><span style=”font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4;”>Source? Because this goes against literally everything I’ve ever read on the topic. [/QUOTE]</span>
    <p =”Msonormal” style=”margin-bottom: 6pt; line-height: 13.5pt; -: initial; -attachment: initial; -size: initial; -origin: initial; -clip: initial; -: initial; -repeat: initial;”><span style=”font-size:10.0pt;font-family:”Verdana”,”sans-serif”; mso-fareast-font-family:”Times New Roman”;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial”>I would
    of course be happy to provide a scientific research study source but, before
    doing so, I am intrigued if not fascinated by the challenge suggested by your many
    alleged readings of contradictory evidence on the topic of incest that suggests
    interbreeding between first cousins is free of risk for the offspring.
    Meanwhile you will no doubt be aware that non-scientific anecdotal evidence,
    while of limited interest, is unacceptable as exampled by a remark such as:
    “Grandpa smoked for fifty-years but didn’t get cancerâ‚Ǩ¬¶therefore smoking is
    harmless.” ¬†Â¬†<o:p></o:p></span>

    [/QUOTE]
    I see. So googling turned up nothing to support your position, and so you’re more interested in going on the attack. Facts disagree with your opinion. Google is the best. Check out this result:
    http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=overview
    They’re incestuous couples, but at least they have sources.

  • #267741

    Anonymous

    [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN] [QUOTE=Esprit] [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN] [QUOTE=Esprit] [QUOTE=ObviouslyGYN]There actually isn’t really a measurable risk of genetic problems in the kids of first cousins. [/QUOTE]

    This is an inaccurate statement. Several studies have concluded that not only are the risks
    measurable, they are significantly high enough to warrant serious warning. The incidence of problematic conditions can be 22% greater in the case of first cousin’s incestuous offspring.
    The issue relates to the existence of up to as many as six harmful recessive genes in the general population if, when made homozygous, that is to say having the same alleles or corresponding pairs would cause genetic illness or disease. We need not look to modern science other than for detailed confirmation of the observances of ancient Man who was keenly aware of the health and strength of the tribe but also the vigour in their animal husbandry.[/QUOTE] Source? Because this goes against literally everything I’ve ever read on the topic. [/QUOTE]
    I would of course be happy to provide a scientific research study source but, before doing so, I am intrigued if not fascinated by the challenge suggested by your many alleged readings of contradictory evidence on the topic of incest that suggests interbreeding between first cousins is free of risk for the offspring.
    Meanwhile you will no doubt be aware that non-scientific anecdotal evidence, while of limited interest, is unacceptable as exampled by a remark such as: “Grandpa smoked for fifty-years but didn’t get cancerâ‚Ǩ¬¶therefore smoking is harmless.”

    [/QUOTE]
    I see. So googling turned up nothing to support your position, and so you’re more interested in going on the attack. Facts disagree with your opinion. Google is the best. Check out this result:
    http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=overview
    They’re incestuous couples, but at least they have sources. [/QUOTE]

    Well I mustsay that you’re an amusing fellow. I have not attacked you, I am simply respondingto your challenge to the case I put forward. If anything, it’s your belligerenttone that stimulates imagined hostility; rest easy my friend.

    Now then, Isay you’re amusing because while suggesting that Google has turned up nothingto support my position, you start bottom feeding and dredge up an extraordinaryinternet support site for incestuous couples. Mind you, it’s of no surprisethat one can find support groups for just about any of the human oddities thesedays that strive to ensure a heavy bias to excuse or rationalise unusual behaviour.Pick you quirk and someone will rush out of the woodwork to hold out a sweaty handin support.

    I should sayat this point that I have no serious objection to someone like you and othersplaying a little hanky-panky in the moonlight with first cousins; plunging intoa relative’s love pudding must surely have its joys during a drunken family weddingreception provided one practices safe sex and doesn’t stay over for breakfast.

    Now if youwant to begin serious studies of the risks of inbreeding you might make a startwith some of the works by Dr. F. James Crow and Dr. Motoo Kimura who shouldinspire further unbiased study unless of course such an endeavour in these deeperwaters may be understandably above the pay-grade of a vocational Englishteacher.

    http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/supp/effects_inbreed.html

  • #27488

    luizfeliz
    Member

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