marriage visa questions
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Topic: marriage visa questions
Posted By: Jared_James
Subject: marriage visa questions
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 01:04
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I would appreciate if someone could share their experience with me if they have already been through the process. I am from the U.S. and married a Brazilian woman. NVC approved DS-230 and I-864 the last week of September. NVC told me that the Rio consulate will getthe package in 2-4 weeks. In my letter from NVC it states a priority code of CR1 and a priority date of November 2. What does the date mean?
When can my wife expect further instructions from the consulate?
I know she will need federal police records and a medical examination from a consulate certified examiner. What will the examination cost and what are the probable locations for the examination?
What is the expected time of events that will bring us together forever?
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Posted By: Mineiro_Alemão
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 18:07
Well, I can´t say anything about processing times and procedures of the consulate or NVC.
About the medical exam, you will find a list of all documents, including the list of doctors, on the website of the US consulate in Rio de Janeiro :
http://www.embaixada-americana.org.br/index.php?action=mater ia&id=2415&submenu=rio.php&itemmenu=58 - http://www.embaixada-americana.org.br/index.php?action=mater ia&id=2415&submenu=rio.php&itemmenu=58
Well, the list is based on the K1 (fianceé) visa, but as I´ve heared it´s almost the same list as for the K3 (spouse) visa.
LIST OF DOCTORS
http://www.embaixada-americana.org.br/pdfs/ListMedNew_06.pdf - http://www.embaixada-americana.org.br/pdfs/ListMedNew_06.pdf
I´m not sure if there is a standard price, but I guess it will be around US$ 100,- for the exam.
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 20:39
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Thanks for replying. What about the cost of the blood test? Besides the 100 dollar exam, what about the blood testing and all the other medical tests? How much? Can this number vary from doctor to doctor a lot? Can anyone please tell me what they have paid for these services?
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 21:41
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I have asked this question because my wife has told me that it will cost 1300 U.S. dollars for her to travel 9 hours to Curitiba and have all the required testing and exams done.
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Posted By: Camzao
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 00:48
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That seems like alot of money. Has she told you where all the money is going?
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 08:36
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Not in detail. I have asked by email for a break down of the expenses. She said Curitiba is 9 hours away. She lives in Santa Catarina. I have not been able to view the list of doctors or the ds 2001. Would it be possible for someone to paste at least part of these things for me. Then I would have an idea of who to call in Brazil to confirm these things. I want to trust, but I feel the need to verify too. I do think it is possible that she has changed her mind and with the interview date near, she cannot lead me on much longer. 1300 dollars is about what she would need to live on until she could land another job in January. I hired and later fired a bad immigration attorney that dragged out this process way too long. She quit her job prematurely because the attorney lied about when she would be here and I have been supporting her for a significant time because of this. I have three children ages 5, 6, and 9. My 6 year old is autistic. I would not blame her for backing out. I am thinking about asking about her intentions. If she wants out, I will still support until January. I just want honesty.
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Posted By: Mineiro_Alemão
Date Posted: 21 October 2006 at 13:00
Hi,
well $1,300 is a lot of money. Lets see if we can break down the costs.
As I said, the exam is $ 100, the other lab exams (like blood tests, a chest x-ray, vaccinations) are done by private labs, doctors usually don´t do that in Brazil. So you wife can choose a private lab in her hometown or nearby, which doesn´t require a trip to Curitíba! The prices of the labs may vary, so a price research is recomended. But I guess the cost of thoose exams won´t be more than another $100.
I recomend that your gf checks with that doctor in Curitiba which labs are recognized by the US consulate, because the above mentioned flyer doesn´t say anything about the labs.
I´m not familiar with prices for a bus ticket from your gf´s home to Curitiba and back, incl. maybe a night in a hostel in Curitiba. So I can´t say anything about that. But I guess for bus and hotel (if nesccessary)$ 500 should be enought.
Belowe I paste for you the content of the medical flyer of the Consulate:
Originally posted by US Consulate, Rio de Janeiro
MEDICAL EXAMINATION INSTRUCTIONS:
In order to be eligible for an immigrant visa, you and your accompanying relatives included in the process must undergo a medical examination. It is necessary to conduct blood tests, a chest x-ray, vaccinations and a physical exam (including basic gynecological and breast examination).
The applicants must present their passport to the doctor and to the lab as proof of identity. If the passport is not available, the Brazilian ID or the equivalent for non-Brazilian citizens can be used.
Applicants should present a 3x4cm picture to the doctor at the moment of the clinical examination and inform the case number, if available.
The doctor’s fee is paid directly by the applicant. It cannot exceed US$ 100.00. Laboratory fees are also paid by the applicant.
The medical examination is generally valid for one year. In some cases the validity is only six months. This generally occurs when the applicant has some kind of illness.
The sealed Medical Report must be presented on the day of the interview.
See below the doctors’ addresses, listed by city:
BELO HORIZONTE:
Dra. Juliana Barbosa Cançado
Tel: (31)3224-2335
R. dos Otoni, 927 6º andar - S. Efigênia
30150-270
Dra. Mª da Gloria B.C. Maakaroun
Tel: (31)3224-2335
R. dos Otoni, 927, 6º andar - S. Efigênia
30150-270
BRASÍLIA:
Dr. Francisco Airton B. de Oliveira
Tel:(61)245-3133
Centro Clínico Sul - Torre II
Q. 716 Sul conj L. sl. T 0219 Piso da Praça
70390-700
CURITIBA:
Dra. Mirian Tomoko Matsuno Carvalho
Tel. (41)3264-9976
R. Alm. Tamandaré, 999 - Alto da XV
80040-110
RECIFE:
Dr. Paulo de Almeida
Tel:(81)3231-0104 / (81)3423-1825 / (81)3423-0951
R. Iramaia 1156 - Ilha do Leite
50070-530
E-mail: palmeida@elogica.com.br
RIO DE JANEIRO:
Dr. Alexandru Buescu
Tel:(21)2527-3477 / (21)2266-5340
R. Barão de Lucena, 48 sala 7 - Botafogo
22260-020
Dr. Aurelio Garrido
Tel:(21)2274-8641 / (21)2490-4310
Av. Ataulfo de Paiva, 135/904 - Leblon
E-mail: garrido@pobox.com
22440-010
Dr. Joaquim Duarte
Tel:(21)2533-1311
R. México, 21/1901 - Centro/Castelo
20031-144
SÃO PAULO:
Dr. Celso Rodrigues Fava
Tel:(11)3120-7065 / Fax:(11)3120-5407
Av. Angélica, 2503 - 14 andar Cj. 144 - Higienopolis
01227-200
Dr. João Jorge Leite
Tel:(11)3663-0404 / (11)3661-9522
R. Sergipe, 441 sala 111A – 11 andar - Higienópolis
Internet: exame-medico-visto.cjb.net
01243-001
Dr. Edwin Castello Filho
Tel:(11)3884-9132 / (11)9945-4856
R. José Maria Lisboa, 861 sala 104 - Cerqueira Cesar
E-mail: edwcf@sti.com.br
01423-001
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If you are interested in a US imigration lawyer, send me a PM, I´ll pass you the name and address of a very good one in the US to assist you and your wife through the K3-process and also in the future process of adjustment od status and Green Card process.
GOOD LUCK!
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 10:06
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Thank you Mineiro,
I was recently able to view the information from the consulate website. I emailed two of the doctors asking for firm pricing on all the services the consulate requires. I figure if they are consulate certified, they may offer one stop shopping or contract out what they don't do. I am trying to get someone in Brazil to call the doctor in Curitiba for firm pricing too. I will call if I have to do so. My portuguese is not very good and requires a very patient person, but I can communicate these things.
I will never hire an immigration attorney again. I was burned real bad once. I hate attorneys in general.
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Posted By: DUNGA
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 10:48
Where I am, blood tests are done at an independent lab unless you are in the hospital. They draw the blood there at the lab and you pay there. If I remember correctly it is R$15 per test. There is no SMA-12 or 20 with 'package' price, you pay say 20 x 15. of course there are other tests like urine but they all seem to work out to be about R$15. Of course it may be different in Curitiba. Good Luck!!!
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 23:51
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The 1300 hundred includes the 500 I have been sending her to live on each month. She quit her teaching job prematurely and then turned down another job later because my old negligent attorney blatantly lied to me about when my wife would be here. Below is an email from one of the approved doctors. His prices do not appear to include the mamogram and gynecology exam. She gave me a price of 50 dollars more than this doctor. She gave me approximate prices of 150 reais for a gynecology exam and 300 reais for a mamogram. 300 reais for 2 days in a hotel in Curitiba and travel expenses. It is looking much more reasonable now. I was a little shocked at first with the 1300 request without details. I knew there were some exam expenses but did not think it would be this much largely because i did not expect them to test so much. I hope this helps others prepare for this moment in the immigration process. It is not fair that ten's of millions of illegal, illiterate people cross the Mexican border without any of these expenses. Then get offered amnesty for breaking the law and amnesty for not paying taxes. They also bring into the country diseases that were eradicated decades ago. This is totally unfair to those that wish to obey the law.
Medical consultation is US$ 100
Expenses with lab work, X ray and vaccines around US$ 200
Please ask the aplicant to cal to 21-22748641 (1PM - 7PM) to get all the information
Aurelio Garrido
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Posted By: rc206-1
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 05:48
jared,how did things work out? when my now wife went for her fianceee visa in 2005.it cost $100.00 us dollars and she need to get a police report.she had to return before we finisher her visa in america.we started ove on a spousal visa.she getting ready to be contacted for her appointment in rio.so she will have to do the police thing again but i was told her last medical exam can be used from her fiancee visa. i can't remember what other papers we gotta do!
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Posted By: CATITA
Date Posted: 07 February 2007 at 12:34
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Originally posted by rc206-1
jared,how did things work out? when my now wife went for her fianceee visa in 2005.it cost $100.00 us dollars and she need to get a police report.she had to return before we finisher her visa in america.we started ove on a spousal visa.she getting ready to be contacted for her appointment in rio.so she will have to do the police thing again but i was told her last medical exam can be used from her fiancee visa. i can't remember what other papers we gotta do! |
yep you right,when getting K3/spousal, we can use the same exam and vaccination from K1(fiancee)but need police again,right!
police report for brazilian(federal/estadual)is free,no pay
$100 is for a consult to a doctor(for fiancee)doctor working to the american consulate.
vaccination if her/him exam(AIDS/VDRL)deceases,that's is a lot money $$$.Jacare,your wife when travel to Brazil ,she use GC or she alredy have too a american passaport(that's is a loooooooottt money here for getting and more exam too(aids/decease,they look skin,interview..they are very strict..) INS immigration/and not in consulate more.
------------- Brasil...,meu Brasil brasileiro
Brasileira(brazilian),Gaucha(Porto Alegre),cidadã americana e feliz.
A inveja mata,cara de paraiba!
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Posted By: Terry_2
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 04:18
Originally posted by CATITA
vaccination if her/him exam(AIDS/deceases)that's is a lot money $$$
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Let's see now, does this mean that AIDS is associated with becoming deceased, or is it an exam to see if you are deceased?
Assumption: Deceased being the singular of deceases (in the case of multiple applicants).
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Posted By: CATITA
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 15:35
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VDRL , Anti-HIV and X-ray
------------- Brasil...,meu Brasil brasileiro
Brasileira(brazilian),Gaucha(Porto Alegre),cidadã americana e feliz.
A inveja mata,cara de paraiba!
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Posted By: CATITA
Date Posted: 08 February 2007 at 16:14
Originally posted by Jared_James
The 1300 hundred includes the 500 I have been sending her to live on each month. She quit her teaching job prematurely and then turned down another job later because my old negligent attorney blatantly lied to me about when my wife would be here. Below is an email from one of the approved doctors. His prices do not appear to include the mamogram and gynecology exam. She gave me a price of 50 dollars more than this doctor. She gave me approximate prices of 150 reais for a gynecology exam and 300 reais for a mamogram. 300 reais for 2 days in a hotel in Curitiba and travel expenses. It is looking much more reasonable now. I was a little shocked at first with the 1300 request without details. I knew there were some exam expenses but did not think it would be this much largely because i did not expect them to test so much. I hope this helps others prepare for this moment in the immigration process. It is not fair that ten's of millions of illegal, illiterate people cross the Mexican border without any of these expenses. Then get offered amnesty for breaking the law and amnesty for not paying taxes. They also bring into the country diseases that were eradicated decades ago. This is totally unfair to those that wish to obey the law.
Medical consultation is US$ 100
Expenses with lab work, X ray and vaccines around US$ 200
Please ask the aplicant to cal to 21-22748641 (1PM - 7PM) to get all the information
Aurelio Garrido
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the doctor from american consulate,it cannot exceed US$ 100, mamogram/gynecology exams are all included ,don't need extra pay for a different doctor .
------------- Brasil...,meu Brasil brasileiro
Brasileira(brazilian),Gaucha(Porto Alegre),cidadã americana e feliz.
A inveja mata,cara de paraiba!
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 13 February 2007 at 18:52
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the doctor from american consulate,it cannot exceed US$ 100, mamogram/gynecology exams are all included ,don't need extra pay for a different doctor .
I think you are wrong about this. 100 dollars for chest x-rays, mamogram, gynecology exam, vaccines, blood tests, and general physical. That does not sound right. Please verify your response. If anyone has anything different, please share your experience.
My experience is that the consulate never even looked at most things. Too much information to review for too many people? Seems it is all for nothing when you consider 20 million illegal immigrants doing none of these things. We would have done it differently if we knew what we now know.
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Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 15:25
When I did this for my husband, in Japan, we paid approximately 600-800$ US for these exams. Obviously excepting the mammography and gyn. And the only vaccination he needed was for chickenpox. The prices are high, but what are you going to do?
It is true that so many people enter the country without following the rules, and those trying to enter LEGALLY get the kneejerk reaction that the illegals create. It is a shame, and not fair, but there is no way around it.
I feel your pain. If anyone had told me that I'd spend over $1500US on COPIES just trying to get the right to open a bloody bank account here, I would have been shocked. i can look out my window right now and see dozens of Nigerians and Gypsies who go running when the cops come, yet are working and renting apartments. But here we are.
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 15:55
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Bank of America is offering accounts to criminal aliens. For a couple of years this bank has free money transfers to Mexico. I am listening Fed Chief Bernanke speak. He recently admitted that criminal aliens were putting pressure on wages for unskilled workers. Low paid unskilled workers become burdens to taxpayers. It is simply corporate welfare at the expense of those that have worked hard enough to actually pay taxes. In Great Britain 1 of 3 people rely on the government for existance. The USA is not far behind with all the unskilled, illiterate, criminal aliens flooding the low skilled labor market.
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Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 16:11
Originally posted by Jared_James
In Great Britain 1 of 3 people rely on the government for existance. The USA is not far behind with all the unskilled, illiterate, criminal aliens flooding the low skilled labor market. |
Well, you're preaching to the choir... I am one of the rats that left that sinking ship.  Regardless, Jared, I hope that your situation gets itself cleared up.
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Posted By: DUNGA
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 17:21
Originally posted by 3casas
If anyone had told me that I'd spend over $1500US on COPIES just trying to get the right to open a bloody bank account here, I would have been shocked.
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What in the world?...Well I certainly hope your situation improves soon as well... Good Luck!!!
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Posted By: Denise
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 19:22
3 casas, if I knew that, I'd open an account for you for less!!!
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Posted By: Spanish_tony
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 19:28
Why diss the mexicans for being poor?
I don't get it, if you complain because the medical bills are high, then they must they be really high for them, specially if they have no right to min. wage.
I'd be thinking "there but for the grace of God" and getting on with life.
------------- We Fight/We Love
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Posted By: Denise
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 19:39
This is very complicated, really. There are places that really need workers - for example, Bill Brown was telling that the owner of a gardening company in CA couldn't find a single American gardener to work for USD 44/hour. Now, how much are you willing to pay for a nice garden? Or for nannies, maids, etc?
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 20:19
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It has nothing to do with dissing someone because they are poor. The problem is that they break laws to enter the country. They are criminals. Mexicans are the vast majority of criminal aliens but there are millions from other countries as well.
I never thought much about it until I started the immigration process. Is it fair to reward criminals over those that wait years and spend thousands of dollars to legally enter the U.S.?
There is no reason that Mexico should be poor other than the Mexican people have chosen Karl Marx inspired leaders on election day for several decades.
In case you do not know, our population is aging fast. The invasion of millions of poor illiterate people will only further burden on the U.S. Few earn enough money to make them ineligible for food stamps, energy assistance, housing assistance, low cost or free government sponsered health plans. The surplus of low skilled labor drives wages down, making a greater number of citizens eligible for tax payer funded programs. It is only a matter of time before the U.S. is just another socialist/marxist country, so don't anyone give up your citizenship of your native country when coming to the U.S. There may be a day when it is much better to live in the country that you came. I blame ignorant American people for permitting this above all others.
Don't anyone tell me all these poor people that are invading my country are helping. Hispanics have the highest teen pregnancy rates, the lowest graduation rates, and the highest gang membership rates. All of these things reliably forecast poverty.
Immigration opportunities should be given equally to all countries and based on skills and education. Not based on who can break the most laws.
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Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 14 February 2007 at 20:33
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Denise,
don't believe all that you hear. That is laughable. It works like this. Big business doesn't want to pay fair market wages. They lobby congress with hundreds of millions of dollars so they can more freely break federal employment laws. The tax payer funded services provided to these workers subsidizes the low wages. It is corporate welfare. Many of the industries that use illegal labor also recieve billions in subsidies. So, they get the cheap labor and cash from the federal government. Who is hurt? The American tax payer. But also workers thoughout Latin America. How can Latin American businesses compete with U.S. businesses receiving billions in subsidies and below fair market labor prices? This doesn't exactly promote democracy in Latin America? Does it?
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Posted By: Denise
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 09:39
Originally posted by Jared_James
How can Latin American businesses compete with U.S. businesses receiving billions in subsidies and below fair market labor prices? This doesn't exactly promote democracy in Latin America? Does it? |
I can't talk about Latin America, but in Brazil probs are more internal like high taxes, corruption, red tape, government inefficiency, ports inefficiency, low literacy, high interest rates, labour laws. In some markets (e.g. commodities) US subsidies hurt BR exports - but those subsidies are not because of whatever aliens they might have hired. And no, I'm not in favor of open doors immigration, but in a better system for workers.
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Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 17:18
I think at least one part of this problem is "low low prices". The US has gotten itself into a destructive cycle of reducing wages, employees, etc in order to compete with China and other markets with lower wages, and it's not helped by consumers who only want to pay "super low evil-mart prices", even at the cost of hurting the local economy. Often in the states i found myself saying i'd rather pay more for something made in the US, but there simply was NOTHING made in the US. No production jobs, either. And yes, some companies do employ illegal workers (there was a raid on a local evil*mart near my house in Boston, where dozens of illegals were working), and they should get more than a smack on the wrist. But there are many factors here. Another is the fact that the cost of living has gone up so high that a person can no longer live on low-wage jobs, and so we've encouraged our children to all go to college and become middle management, with a large gap at the bottom. Who's going to work for $7/hour as a nurse's aide, lifting and washing elderly people, if they have $25,000 in student loans? And how will they pay their rent? and childcare? and health insurance?
I don't have the answers, and I have strong feelings about immigration that I don't expect anyone else to share. But as with many other things in the US, if the population can't be bothered to lift a hand in protest, nothing will change.
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Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 17:22
Originally posted by Denise
3 casas, if I knew that, I'd open an account for you for less!!!
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Thank you Denise, but I'd hate to get you in trouble with the money-laundering police. 
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Posted By: Denise
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 17:25
Posted By: Jared_James
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 17:34
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Criminal alien labor and subsidies hurt trade with all of South America. All of the problems that you mention are very true. But you forgot one very important thing. Tariffs! Imagine trying to compete globally when the price of a simple computer is 3-4 times what your competition is paying. Also, consider the impact on the family budget on all imported items. If the U.S. played fair in regard to agriculture, trade between the U.S. and Brazil could flourish.
I see great potential in Brazil. You have great natural resources and a very young population. The intellectual talent is there. But Brazil ranks 88TH in the world in terms of economic freedom. Corruption and crime are some of the biggest impediments to prosperity. If you cut taxes enough, corruption and crime will decline. What happens is that much of the criminal element find it is easier to make money legally in a low tax environment than illegally in a high tax environment.
I like Brazil and the Brazilian people very much. I hope that major reforms take place soon in order to give more people economic hope.
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Posted By: Denise
Date Posted: 15 February 2007 at 18:52
I agree with all you said, it's general consensus things can't go on like this - see if bloodsucker politicians care! 
(I didn't forget tariffs - I put them under 'high taxes' - and I'm not even talking about electronics, but things like 'food'. -ICMS (commerce tax) in SP is 18%, and others...)
I agree about Brazil's potential. It's very hard seeing so much corruption & impunity - sometimes I don't even want to know what's on the news. But at the hardest times is when we have show our true selfs, to hold on to our beliefs, fight for them & try to make things better.
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