Returning to Brazil with birth certificate
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Topic: Returning to Brazil with birth certificate
Posted By: Meredith81
Subject: Returning to Brazil with birth certificate
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 16:34
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I have a question: can my Brazilian born son travel to the US on an American passport and then return to Brazil without a passport and just his Brazilian birth certificate?
A friend of mine has done this. She holds 3 passports (US/Italy/Brazil) and was travelling to the US on her American passport but wasn't sure how to return because her Brazilian passport had expired. She was told by the Policia Federal that she could just show her Brazilian birth certificate at the airport in lieu of her Brazilian passport. She did have a passport/picture ID with her. She did and there was no problem. We went to the PF today and asked but the man who helped us, as nice as he was, didn't know anything. He suggested if the wait time is too long to get our son his Brazilian passport then to try and get it at a consulate in the US (since we'll be there a month). I don't want to do that because I'm travelling to visit family, not to visit the consulate. Any advice on what to do? Just suck it up and get the passport? Both my husband and son need to get their US passports before we go so if we can save the money and time it'll take to get a BR passport then I'd be happy. |
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Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 17:33
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Yes, you have to get a BR passport. If the child was born in Brazil, it MUST leave the country on the Brazilian passport and enter it on the Brazilian passport.
The example you mentioned is of someone that came back on an expired passport, something completely different. |
Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 17:45
OK. Thanks. |
Posted By: man of leisure
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 17:59
Yes, in practise but not in theory. Friends have done just this with regard to the USA and I have done it with regard to the UK. Sven has cited the rules but the rules are overlooked, and especially when young children are travelling with otherwise legitimate documents. If you don't have time to get Brazilian passports you can use US passports with Brazilian BCs. |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 19:05
| With a chance of getting into troubles. When was the last time you tried that? |
Posted By: nikkij12185
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 19:13
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You have to get the BR passport and all Brazilian children must have a notorized letter giving the other parent permission to take the kid out of the country (if both aren't travelling together). I know someone who didn't have time to get a new notorized letter to take her 4 year old out of Brazil. She tried to take her on her British passport, but the "place of birth - Brazil" set them off and they demanded to see both the BR passport and the letter. Even though the father was present and willing to sign whatever documents necessary on the spot to give his consent, mom and daughter ended up missing the plane because there was no way to get the letter notarized in the airport.  Don't risk missing your plane! |
Posted By: man of leisure
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 19:41
I did it last year to the UK but my US friends went at Christmas. The PF guy was completely unconcerned on the outward and the return. Sven, you may get someone wagging their finger but they are not going to prevent exit or entry to a family with children in those circumstances. Everyone there completely understands the problems with getting Brazilian passports in a reasonable period of time. Nikki's comments are not relevant to this discussion as they refer to not having permission to travel from a parent who is not present. How does that relate to the original question? |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 19:47
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Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 20:24
MOL, You said exactly what I want to hear. My son is not even 3 weeks old and we're already trying to get his passport. I went online to the PF site to "agendar" for him to get his passport and he can't do so until June 11th at the earliest. We are travelling in August so I'm afraid that may cut it close. I also wondered even if the PF didn't know the child not having a BR passport, at least he'll have a US passport and a Brazilian BC. What will they do? Make us stay at the SP airport? As for Nikki's comment, you're right. It has nothing to do with our case. Both parents are going to the US and we know about parental authorization anyway. |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 20:31
What MOL didn't mention, is that the law requires for Brazilians to use their Brazilian passport, and although he "has been lucky" so far, doesn't mean that you will be lucky too. If the PF guy had a fight with his wife, or a bad cup of coffee, you might not be as lucky. Just as everyone knows it's difficult to get a passport quickly, it's also known that the PF may act strictly "according to the law" almost "at will". |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 20:32
| By the way, agendamento on jun 11th you'll have the passport in july. |
Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 20:54
OK. I appreciate the help, even though I like MOL's answer better :). We will work on getting the BR passport. |
Posted By: man of leisure
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 06:12
We are, or course, referring only to re-entry into Brazil rather than exit from Brazil as the outward journey does not matter (in the sense that Meredith could be leaving Brazil for good and taking her child with her; with absolutely no intention of applying for a Brazilian passport). In such circumstances the child will already have arrived in country with the parents. Are you suggesting the PF guy might be minded to send the child back on the next plane? No way! He is a Brazilian on Brazilian soil with a BC to prove that. |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 07:47
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He's Brazilian on Brazilian soil with a Brazilian BC, and was born in Brazil. As such he must be able to show a Brazilian passport to leave the country under the Brazilian passport law.
Of course there are other possible obstacles for the OP. child of Leisure has a UK passport, whilst the OP's child has a US passport, and even though both start with U, there is of course a huge difference between the two. UK citizens enter Brazil on a visa waiver whilst US citizens need a tourist visa. As the child has no tourist visa, the airline company might not let the OP board the plane, as they have no way of certifying the authenticity of the BC, and if the child fails to enter they are responsible to fly it and the mother back. You may very well have been lucky, but what you propose is against the law and may cause several problems, as the law is quite clear, Brazilians must travel from and to Brazil on a Brazilian passport. Of course the Brazilian consulate will not provide a tourist visa for a Brazilian citizen. |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 07:59
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I don't have the link-- it's on thet net somewhere, but the State Department makes it very clear: - Leave Brazil on Brazilian passport; - Enter the US on US passport; Just invert the process on the way back. However, the US State Department says to travel to other countries, must use US Passport. Yeah right, who wants to pay reciprocity fees!! ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 08:01
Of course the US state department suddenly has sovereignty over brazil too. |
Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 08:15
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i would be much more concerned that the child would not be allowed to board the plane for the return trip. of course, any reasonable person would say, oh a baby, with family, etc but all you need is one checkin agent having a crummy day or one PF who decides that the hourly example is going to be YOU. yes, chances are it won't happen, but why would you take the chance? ------------- |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 09:46
| My point exactly. |
Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:05
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I also thought about the possibility that they wouldn't let my child board the plane because he has a US passport without a Brazilian visa and a BC that may not be good enough.
We will not risk it and will get the BR passport. We were thinking worse comes to worse to get a BR passport while in NY. But I do NOT want to wait to do that. If agendamento in June means passport in July then I'm good to go. We'll agendar today. |
Posted By: Mineiro_Alemão
Date Posted: 15 May 2012 at 10:37
No problem there, the problem is to get the appointment at the PF, once you handed in the application and documents, it takes max. 2 weeks for the PF to issue the passport and you can pick it up. So plenty of time, if you get an appointment in June untill your trip in August!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 12:07
Good to know! We scheduled the appointment yesterday. We see PF on June 12th. Just to verify, does R$156 sound right for a minor's passport? |
Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 12:20
| A unidade da Polícia Federal verificará os documentos e coletará os dados eletrônicos e será impresso protocolo onde constará a data provável da entrega do passaporte, que será de no máximo 6 (seis) dias úteis. |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 15:28
| see... |
Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 21:39
| Great news! It's a good thing that I read somewhere on the PF site to pay attention to the date by which you have to pay. We have to pay up to 8 days before our PF appointment. |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 22:28
@Sven, the US thinks they have soveignty over the whole world. I'm not kidding. If you want references, I'll give them to you. I doubt you need them. Proof is all over the internet. The best sources are US Government sources themselves. @3casas, you gave me laugh for the day, thanks. "....that you are the hourly example.." too funny  - I don't think it's really THAT bad. ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 16 May 2012 at 22:30
Meredith - congratulations!! Sounds like the passport comes very quickly. The safest thing is to have a US passport and Brazilian passport for your child. If you get locked up in Guantanemo for breaking the rules, you won't be able to interact with us on here.  ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 08:55
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not so spongebob, i have heard tell that nowadays instead of waterboarding they force you to interact with Sal, Twirly and Esprit for half an hour.
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Posted By: Twirly
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 09:22
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Hey, hey, that's not fair.
I can be quite nice if I like the person in question. So now you know what I think of most of you short bus riding people
Also, fail of the week at comedy by 3casas
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Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 09:35
Well informed sources tell me that Sal, Esprit and Ray are on an intelligence mission in Afghanistan.....
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Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 11:10
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are we mad? i thought you'd be flattered!!!
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Posted By: Meredith81
Date Posted: 17 May 2012 at 12:37
Ain't that the truth... And it looks like my son will have his BR passport before his US passport. |