Brazil is a biased and racist country
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Topic: Brazil is a biased and racist country
Posted By: Triste
Subject: Brazil is a biased and racist country
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 15:44
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Brazil is a biased and racist country, and it's written in Constitution of Brazil.
You need know that there are two types of citizens, two types of Brazilians - "native" (those was born in Brazil) and "naturalized" - that were Brazilians who received citizenship in Brazil. Then these citizens - "naturalized" are "fifth category" because they have not the same rights as native Brazilians. In the "Constitução" ist written that the "naturalized" Brazilian citizens have no right to be diplomats (are not accepted to study at the "Instituto Rio Branco"), can not be military or police, etc So, Brazil have the "first-class citizens" - those who were born "second category citizens" - those who were born in ojther countries and have Brazilian Pass. "Second Class Sitizens" have the same duties but do not have the same rights ... So, Brazil is a racist country - if only because of place of birth one citizen have prohibit certain rights and options in life. I have known one girl who lived in Brazil since 5 years old, she is a naturalized Brazilian, graduated with a Brazilian Universitate with distinction (she was the best!) and her dream was to be a diplomat (she is fluent in six languages). Her documents was not accepted in Rio Branco! This is prejudice and racism! The girl lives life in Brazil since 5 years old, has a Brazilian passport and is considered her brasilian!! But she is the is only "second category citizens" because of place of birth! |
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Posted By: praia gato
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 15:54
Where have you been ..................... ? 
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Posted By: praia gato
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 15:57
And Gringos fall in to the sixth catagory ...... Ever been robbed? Ever been jacked? Jumped? Mugged? If you have, head down to the Tourist Policia and see how you're treated. 
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Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 16:13
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I'm not talking about tourists, I talk about naturalized Brazilians who live permanently in Brazil and have BRASILIAN pass. Of course, the Brazilians treat foreigners that have dollars in your pocket with pleasure ...
Only NATIVE Brazilian has the right: (Text from Constitution of Brazil): § 3º - São privativos de BRASILEIRO NATO os cargos: I - de Presidente e Vice-Presidente da República; II - de Presidente da Câmara dos Deputados; III - de Presidente do Senado Federal; IV - de Ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal; V - da carreira diplomática; VI - de oficial das Forças Armadas. VII - de Ministro de Estado da Defesa(Incluído pela Emenda Constitucional nº 23, de 1999) § 3º - São privativos de brasileiro nato os cargos: I - de Presidente e Vice-Presidente da República; II - de Presidente da Câmara dos Deputados; III - de Presidente do Senado Federal; IV - de Ministro do Supremo Tribunal Federal; V - da carreira diplomática; VI - de oficial das Forças Armadas. VII - de Ministro de Estado da Defesa(Incluído pela Emenda Constitucional nº 23, de 1999) |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 16:15
From what I understand most countries in the world have similar policies. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 16:58
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Yes, but only for President of the country position.
But for others positions ... Which countries? Can you give me an example, please? I think: "Am I citizen or not? If I am citizen of Brazil and I have brasilian Pass - why I am brasilian of "second category"? I have one friend, and she was not admitted because of a Spanish accent in a job. She is Uruguayan but Brazilian naturalized. Future chief tells for her: "You curriculum is very good, but we are a private service and I do not want to bother with customers because of your accent" |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 17:14
If you read my other posts on the forum you will see I believe Brazil is very xenophobic. |
Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 17:16
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So what? It is what it is. This post will attract troll flies like manga on a hot day, and nothing will be solved but hot air.
Let me be the first: I got a headache today, and this whining ain't helpin. I'd like to hear something positive on this forum more often. ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 17:29
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Yes, cara 0910!!!!
But I get irritated when Brazilians say they are not xenophobic. They think that foreigners in Europe are not well received! But... Imagine the situation: the Brazilian government admits thousands of Paraguayans, Peruans, Ecuadorian, at al and provides home for them, donations, jobs, educations for children et al. Of cause, braizlians will burn the houses of foreigners and kill them, right? But European hold thousands of immigrants from all countries (including Brazil) and they are "xenofobic" for brasilians!!!! |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 18:10
Again, if you read my posts on the forum you will see I share your opinions. Others, however, do not like our opinion. Part of the reason I left Brazil were the xenophobia and discrimination. |
Posted By: praia gato
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 18:58
Whining is something you just did complaining about your headache. Tiste is stating the truth ...... The problem with you and many others is you can't handle the truth.
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Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 19:12
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praia gato..you are right, I am whining. It is true. Is Triste's whining just more moral? Feel free to whine more about my opinion too, if you must. Handle that truth. ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: praia gato
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 19:27
Finally, we can the truth ... ! ! ! Yep, Brasilians love us Gringos as long as we got deep pockets. Thank you Triste, and are you Brasilian by chance?
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Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 19:49
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Military - AT LEAST in the US, it's better ($$$) to be work as a contractor. Diplomat - yeah, that kind of sucks. Just about every country only let's Brasileiros Natos have high-level government positions. In Brazil, it ** IS ** more rigid than most countries like the US or Australia. OP - about your friend and her spanish-accent: maybe she needs to work on her accent. Lemme tell you the story of ME and girl from Mexico. I've been here for 6 years, the girl from Mexico, about 12. Brazilians here think I've been here for much longer than the Mexican because the Mexican speaks Portunhol and makes a lot of mistakes - and doesn't want to speak REAL Portuguese instead of Portunhol. It's her fault. It could be a form of discrimination but employers are do not exist to give everyone a job. The best thing your Uruguaiana friend can do is try to hook up with a different company. ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 19:52
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Ah, the truth has never sounded so facil when the premise of the argument is false.
Who are these "the Brasilians," and do all share the same attitudes towards estrageiros? Can you say, with certainty, that the laws of Brasil were written with racist intent or merely to protect the general welfare of the nation as a whole? Your opinion is your own, but it is not necessarily "The Truth." ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 20:56
First, the idea of 'protecting' locals as you describe may be seen as xenophobic per se. Second, nobody is saying every Brazilian is xenophobic. However, there after a look at the low number of immigrants, the laws that prevent naturalized citizens from holding government posts, and discrimination toward foreigners in many private sector jobs, one may reasonably conclude that Brazil tends to be more anti-immigrant than many other countries. For example, I don't deny that rural America (USA) tends to be racist, anti-immigrant and conservative. Of course that doesn't mean the country as a whole may be described that way, nor that every rural American behaves/feels that way. It's only important to look at facts, not anecdotes, and to appropriately define the scope of the argument being made. It seems many forum members are not away with that type of rational argument. |
Posted By: GreatBallsoFire
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 21:32
 ------------- Simia quam similis, turpissimus bestia nobis. Oi amigo, pode trazer a saideira? |
Posted By: GreatBallsoFire
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 21:51
------------- Simia quam similis, turpissimus bestia nobis. Oi amigo, pode trazer a saideira? |
Posted By: GreatBallsoFire
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 22:36
Stay, have some kids here and they can do that.  ------------- Simia quam similis, turpissimus bestia nobis. Oi amigo, pode trazer a saideira? |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 23:10
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GBF: HUH?
cushy office job with 30 days vacay and a million benefits and insanely high pay, and you wouldn't want it? oh no, take a private sector job without the benefits that pays less... |
Posted By: praia gato
Date Posted: 22 April 2012 at 23:40
I would never hire a Maid. I'd never open a business. I'd never marry a Brasilian. I clean my own house and wash my own clothes. I even cook. I am self employed, worked my A__ off since I was 14 years old. If some low life Brasilian dragged my shaggy booty over the coals in Brasil or the courts, my Baretta's full clip of black talons would be emptied a long time ago.
Great Balls: you got more patience than I'll ever know .....
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Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 01:31
Whoa. Take it easy mayne. |
Posted By: jubilee6936
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 01:41
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Well, my little one spent his first two months in BR and will prob spend the rest of his time in the UK, so I guess he will be entitled to run for President of Brasil, interesting. lol ------------- There's an angel standing in the sun. |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 07:54
You know, they [bitter employees] make up some of the most outlandish stories. Too bad the concept of "to perjur onesself" isn't an issue in Brazil. Documentation is the key. If you pay everyone on the card, problems are diminished. Some Brazilians have lived lives where nobody wanted to pay them on the card, so they think that a minimum wage on the card isn't a bad deal... ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 08:12
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To Crads:
"Can you say, with certainty, that the laws of Brasil were written with racist intent or merely to protect the general welfare of the nation as a whole? How interesting! If Europe makes laws to protect its citizens - this is called "xenophobia." Poor Europe have not these laws as well .. "protectionistas." And if Brazil makes this laws - so if it's called "protect nation"? If a retiree who lives in Germany all worked as a cleaner at a supermarket has her money infinitely smaller than a Brazilian immigrant (Turkish, Polish, whatever) - because she must pay rent of her apartment and health plan and for emigrants the "Socialamt" pays all - that is normal? And when a grandson of these cleaner revolts against the Brazilian (Turkisch, et al) who lives at the expense of Socialamt - this is called xenophobia, "Europe mistreat Brazilians"! But ask for any Brazilian - what they think if Brazil will pay for all for one from Bolivia or Paraguai - they say, "we have our miserable" , "out emigrants!" - this is called 'Nation protect"?!!!! |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 08:17
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To jubilee6936
"Well, my little one spent his first two months in BR and will prob spend the rest of his time in the UK, so I guess he will be entitled to run for President of Brasil, interesting" Yes, your Bbritish child may be President of this nation ... He has more rights than a little boy who was born in another country, but since two months old and lives in Brazil are considered Brazilian. This "Brazilian by heart" has no the same rights as "Brazilian by birth." Does your child become President of Brazil. Maybe, this country will become more HUMAN. The Brazilians are false, unfortunately ... |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 08:24
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To GreatBallsoFire:
Yes and wait untill a toothless psyco ex empregada takes you to the communist labor court on false charges. Yes .. Have false accusations for former employer, for a doctor, etc. here is a national sport ... The "miserable" has free support for lawyers and public process. 80% do not earn anything, because everything is false ... But an employer, doctor, etc. spend a lot of money to clear his name. Brazil should be more honest and more human, but Brazilians deny this. For them that's OK. |
Posted By: toolio
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 11:56
Just make sure one of those bullets doesn't ricochet off the walls of your cave and cap your ass. On the other hand, I suspect you'd be shooting blanks, anyway. ------------- I don't need to be right; I just don't want to be wrong. |
Posted By: zeezonyc
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 16:45
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I think that in the case of being naturalized rather than native, that's more biased. I don't think that the constitution is racist because natives are mostly a combination of European, African, South American Indian, Japanese and Middle Eastern. There's nothing about our "race" that prevents us from obtaining those positions. In the U.S., McCain was born in Panama from military parents and he's considered native. Obama was born in Hawaii and he's still suspect for not being an American. As an American with Brazilian residency, I think the U.S. is more racist with our current President. Besides, who wants to be a political figure in this corrupt and bureaucratic country of Brazil? ------------- Itapema, Santa Catarina |
Posted By: tamte
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 16:49
Well, as a political figure, you can steal the most amount of money ------------- life's too short to be living without you, babe. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 20:29
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To zeezonyc
Exactly that! there is no the no the "Brazilian" nation - they are combination of nations. But they do not give the same rights for new immigrants - those rights that greatparents and great-grandparents had in past, when they came to Brazil. Because these prohibitions only the last (new) Brazilian Constitution has. The old COnstitution was more democratic! The new Constitution is xanofobic! And do you think is not xenophobic, when a child who grew up in Brazil since 5 years old and has a Brazilian passport (naturalized Brazilian) was prevented from entering the Rio Branco Institute - to be a diplomat - only by place of birth?! Ah, Brazil lost a great diplomat, who has unusual intelligence and speaks six languages fluently ... I am sorry for my english, the englich is my 4th language... 
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Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 23 April 2012 at 20:37
Don't confuse definitions of race with xenophobia. They are different. The US is certainly racist. But, Brazil is even more closed to outsiders/foreigners. GO to Silicon Valley, all American universities, etc. and find out for yourself. |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 11:49
That's a big generalisation for ya! It's always talking about a problem that keeps it "a problem". The US has a black president so you can't say that everyone there is a racist. There xenaphobia everywhere. That's why we have "borders". <period outside of quotes because I like it that way>. People are people, and that's just life. ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 12:11
People are people? Wow, bob, what a profound statement. The point is that Brazil is more xenophobic and closed of than the US as a whole. It's that simple. You seem to paint a lot of things with a brush so broad that all distinctions are lost. Go to LA, SF, NYC, Chicago, DC, etc. and look at the diversity of people working in companies, in positions of power, in government. There are many foreign-born individuals who succeed in the US. You cannot find that in Brazil, period. All the foreigners who have succeeded in Brazil came a significant time ago and have become "Brazilian natives." They are third or fourth generation. They own restaurants. There are very few recent immigrants who are successful in moving up through Brazilian society, becoming professionals, working in local government, etc. because Brazil is a xenophobic country. All countries have borders, bob. That's part of what defines the modern nation-state. Yet, not all countries are the same. Brazil happens to be very closed to outsiders. Not like, say, the US or an even better example, the UAE. |
Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 12:34
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@cara...Your observations and opinions are limited to your experience, and your statements and examples - comparing USA/Brasil/et al, vis a vis xenaphobia - lack valid premises to valid conclusions. You have failed to consider many factors and differences between what you are comparing. Your logic is flawed.
Your opinion is very clearly stated; however, it is just that and not absolute truth. ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 12:47
Wow, what harsh criticism! Feel free to be slightly more specific... 
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Posted By: toolio
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 13:18
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It might be prudent to point out that for decades countries such as the U.S. have been seen as lands of opportunity, while Brazil has largely been regarded as a land of lack of opportunity. This is why recent times have not seen large numbers of immigrants in Brazil, and one of the reasons why the political or legal clout of immigrants has not increased. There is little point in leaving your home country to emigrate to a low-wage nation that is not likely to provide the same degree of economic opportunity that many other countries can provide. Of course, many people emigrate to Brazil for other reasons. Most don't. While this may have changed somewhat in recent years--particularly in a few select areas such as the financial sector--Brazil by and large does not have what it takes to attract immigrants who seek new frontiers for economic reasons. And that means it is not capable of attracting large numbers of immigrants. Other countries--the U.S., Canada and many European nations included--generally become less xenophobic as large numbers of immigrants exert their economic and political strength. Without large numbers of immigrants, there is little reason for Brazil to change. (By immigrants I mean people born outside of Brazil, not those whose ancestors lived outside of the country.) ------------- I don't need to be right; I just don't want to be wrong. |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 13:34
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Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 15:03
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@Toolio: Rationale and discernment...even thought provoking...praise be your post of fresh air!!! Obrigado. ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 17:37
And so what? I don't really care that I can't be a diplomat. If I wanted to be a diplomat, I could just ask for US Citizenship back and then apply for the Foreign Service. Whoops... nevermind, that doesn't pay enough money. I HAVE been to many places you are talking about, and YES, I have worked at several Fortune 500 companies. Something you fail to remember is that there is something called AFFIRMATIVE ACTION in America. Stop complaining by saying that Brazil isn't open to foreigners. It *IS*. Things just didn't work out for you, coitadinho. For it to "work" for you, you have to do the right things. Business is tough everywhere you go, be it the US, Europe, or Brazil. Reality check: just because someone opens a restaurant doesn't mean that they are profitable. There are actually several foreigners in this podunk town that have shops and restaurants. Some of them have closed after a year or two, and a couple are still open. Like I said, you really can't say that Brazil is xenaphobic when you threw in the towel. I'm glad I'm not in the trenches with you  ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 17:43
Bob, you are the stereotypical American in the way you view basically everything. You just happen to be an American who is fed up with things back home. Look how you referenced "the trenches"! Hehehe. I didn't throw in the towel in Brazil. I moved to a much, much nicer place with many more opportunities, like-minded people, more diversity, less crime...the list goes on. That is irrelevant to the discussion. I'm super happy with my life and I'm glad I went to Brazil to realize how GREAT the place I am from really is. You may want to read some of the other posts on this page about why Brazil is xenophobic. I have said similar things. It's not diverse, people are not accustomed to foreigners that aren't sex tourists! |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 18:03
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Typical American. Haah! I have never been a typical American. I didn't like it there, so I left, twice. I'm on here talking about how I hate being American and how I think a US passport is a piece of s***t. <sigh>. You of all people should understand why I am using American expressions with you... BTW - my home is not in the USofA; it's in Brazil. If you think I should be more "cheerful" about the US, then get them to change their laws. ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 18:35
Your views are very, very American! I can see it every one of your posts. Let me guess, are you from the South? I'm being serious. I can bet you are not from SF/NY/Boston/Seattle... |
Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 19:04
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Sometimes it is what is in a person's heart that is most important rather than anywhere that they might be...IMO ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 19:05
Hi Tristy
How long have you been living in Brazil? |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 22:35
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The problem is: Brazil is more xenophobic and closed of than the US, or than Europe or than England, etc. BUT: THE BRAZILIAN THINK THEY ARE NOT xenophobic.
The Brazilian media is always full of articles on "how mistreat" Brazilians in Europe or the USA. But they do not look for them yourself! Yes, USA have Been seen the lands of opportunity for all. But Brazil may be land of opportunity for poorer neighboring countries - Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay. But there are no emigrants because the laws are very xenophobic and for for foreigners is almost impossible to obtain any position. And xenophobia is LAW! Constitution and others laws! |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 22:44
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To Amsterdam
I will response to you in private message. The time of live here reflects something? I have god job wiht good payment here. But my dream is go out of here to another place, perhaps with less money but with more culture and happiness. But unfortunately in my country nobody expects me more ... and here I have at least one job and some friends (almost all are foreigners). I can not make Brazilian friends, because they are FALSE and I think that falsehood is worse human quality. |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 22:59
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Triste, Expat2233-Kurtz-Cara90210 attacks people over English grammar mistakes. I have lived in Brazil for many years. Despite this, I still write "American" expressions so that he will understand me better. But your're English is hard to read. Why not put your thoughts into Google Translator and then put here???? Or even right in French. If your mother language is a common language, references are easy to find. ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 23:11
I have only mentioned grammar/spelling/usage to GD because he calls me names. I am not into calling people names, and it's against the forum rules. So, I point out that he seems to have a low level of education, and that is reflected in his childish attacks and his writing. GD bashes people all over this forum. All I do is express my opinions about BRAZIL not other people. I have shown great resistance to all of the personal attacks against me and tried to keep the focus on the ideas at hand. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 23:29
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To spongebob
I already have been sorried for my English, it is the 4th for me. Nobody here will understand my native language, and my French will be reduced to simple "c'est la vie" and "pardon" 
I can write in Portuguese, but I don´t know if people here will understand it. |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 24 April 2012 at 23:37
Se depender de mim, tudo bem... |
Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 07:39
yeah, write in Portuguese. Portuguese is the official language of Brazil after all. ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 09:33
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Although this forum is a good place to practice English and trollish, I think. Ainda muito aqui falam Port. tambem ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 09:52
Spongebob, you sound like a Brazilian to me. Are you? |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 09:54
I speak Portuguese like a local so i am told but reading and writing it is another story.
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Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 10:15
GOOD, I need some miracles today 
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Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 10:38
nope, but I HAVE put in an application for citizenship. ------------- - ** Just sayin' ** ** Make lemonaid out of lemons. ** ** Trolls get old...** |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 10:44
I notice how you put your real name as Sponge Bob on your Member Profile, Who are you trying to kid
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Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 10:54
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Squidward, maybe? I am fan. ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:00
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Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:00
Ah, Sven! Se eu tivesse "God's job".... Daria para você monte um de oportunidades :-) 
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Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:09
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Obrigada por permitir me falar em Português.
Então, um DESABAFO: 1. Eu não aguento mais os brasileiros reclamarem, que estão mal-tratados na Europa ou nos EUA, ou no qualquer outro lugar! Pois eles são muito mias xenofóbicos,do que europeus, ou americanos ou outros! Imaginem uma situação: o governo brasileiro abre fronteiras e um punhado dos paraguaios vem para cá... governo brasileiro vai fornecer para eles casas de graça, bolsa disto, bolsa daquilo e cursos profissionalizantes... Perguntam para brasileiros o que eles acham disto? Eles ficam indignados! "Nos temos nossos pobres!" - reclamam eles! "A Europa é rica, Europa DEVE ajudar para nações pobres" - falam eles... Mas - por quê a Europa DEVE?!!! A Europa têm os seus próprios pobres também e além de tudo sustenta monte dos emigrantes legais e ilegais as custas dos impostos dos seus povos! As vezes pessoas de baixa renda na Europa (por exemplo, na Alemanha) tem qualidade de vida PIOR, do que emigrantes, que tem tudo "de mão beijada"! Por que a Europa DEVE ajudar para brasileiros que vão lá em busca de "oportunidades", mas Brasil NÃO DEVE ajudar para um paraguaio que vem para cá em busca da mesma oportunidade? |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:12
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2. Eu não aguento mais falsidade dos brasileiros! Eles vão te beijar, te abraçar, falar bem, mas assim que tu vira de costas eles podem falar monte coisa ruim, fofocar, discutir como tu fala, como tu se veste, etc... No meu país - se eu não gosto alguém - eu simplesmente não chego perto desta pessoa. Mas aqui - todo mundo vai sorrir para você, vai "puxar seu saco" (principalmente se você tem uma boa posição), mas estes sorrisos são muito falsos. No início eu achava que os brasileiros são muito abertos, amigos - mas NÃO! Estes sorrisos não são verdadeiros, esta amizade não é verdadeira!
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Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:15
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3. Um assunto muito delicado - racismo. Acho que nem é bom discutir aqui, mas como este aqui é um desabafo, então vou na frente. Aqui é um racismo "ao contrário" (no meu ver). A minha filha no colégio era "branquela", "magricela" e "loira burra" (mesmo tendo notas boas) - pois é uma loira magra e de pele branca demais. Imagina, se ela retrucar com um "negro" e "gordo"!!! Numa discussão no estacionamento de prédio uma vizinha negra me falou: "Tu és sueca, vai embora para sua Suécia" (não sou sueca, mas ela mencionou o meu país, me mandando embora para meu país - pois carro dela fechava a saída do meu e eu discuti com ela por causa disto - não era a primeira vez que aconteceu isto). Imaginem, se eu chamaste ela de negra e mandaste ela embora para Africa!!!! |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:20
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Sabem, eu estou aqui há muitos anos, e esteve aqui por causa do meu ex-, que se "achou" aqui (ele não é brasileiro), mas agora ao me separar estou pensando seriamente de ir embora, só que não sei para onde... Ninguém me espera no meu país e não vejo possibilidade de voltar para lá. Mas estou pensando sobre um país mais humano, com valores humanos mais em alta (amizade, humildade, trabalho, obrigações, deveres, honestidade, etc), com menos corrupçao, burocracia, etc e sem orgulhos nacionais to tipo que estão aqui em alta - peitos e bundas siliconadas, regados a cerveja.
Eu não sou pessoa que quer ficar em casa, também gosto vida interessante, ativa - mas nos somos seres humanos, HOMENS SAPIENS se vocês preferem e não HOMEM ERECTUM como os muitos brasileiros parecem ser.... No meu ver - a diferença entre homen Sapiens e homen Erectum - é o que os sapiens tem valores morais diferenciados e não pensa somente no sexo-comida-vestuário-enriquecimento a qualquer custo-praia-artigos de luxo-carros de luxo-.... - que também são coisas boas e fazem parte da vida de qualquer um de nos, mas NÃO devem ser PRIORIDADE! |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:21
Os brasileiros são indignados sobre tudo. A economia brasileira é a sexta do mundo, mas ainda falam que tem "muita pobreza" no Brasil. Pois é! Por que eles não resolvam essa questão? É o país deles, né?
Os brasileiros se acham os mais abertos, mas é somente uma declaração, é sem justicativa alguma. São extrememente fechados. "Esse é nosso país! É nosso momento histórico, nossa oportunidade de estragar as coisas para os outros, de abusar, de fechar as fronteiras, de desmatar a selva, de reclamar sobre tudo! Mas, lembre-se que somos os mais felizes e os mais abertos! Agora, saia do nosso país, gringo explorador!" Durante anos no Rio ouvia todo dia que tinha ido para o Brasil para "explorar o país." Ignoraram o fato de que tinha aprendido a língua sozinho, e sem prospectivas econômicas por ter feito isso. Ignoraram o fato de que estava ganhando uma miséria como imigrante no Brasil, que tinha largado muitas oportunidades no meu país para aprender "a beleza da cultura brasileira." Sobre isso, falo: vá tomar banho! Foi o maior erro da minha vida ir para a terra dos egoístas! O Brasil não é mais de que praia e sexo fácil para muito gringo pois é somente isso que o Brasil OFERECE aos estrangeiros!!!! País fechado de povo ignorante que se declara o melhor do mundo, e usa a história para legitimizar sua ignorância. Já não é um país pobre, então quando vai acabar de ser um país de ignorantes? Quando vai abrir as fronteiras? Quando vai aceitar estrangeiros como membros da sociedade como os países europeus, os EUA e o Canadá fazem? Hahahahaah! Rsrsrsrsr! NUNCA!!!! |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:23
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Desculpem por desabafo, OK?
Podem criticar, mas tenho amigos aqui onde eu moro - estrangeiros - que COMPARTILHAM o meu ponto de vista... Aliás, a critica faz bem para discussão... Eu somente escrevi meu ponto de vista, minha dor, meu desabafo. Podem dizer - "se não gosta daqui - vai embora" (como brasileiros dizem), mas por enquanto não posso ir embora e não tenho como voltar para a minha pátria também... |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 11:37
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Someone was telling me that the GDP of the country is excellent but it is cancelled out by the countries internal debt, in otherwords cancelled out by internal corruption, so you do the math on that one. Imagine how corrupt the place is. I mean the most strikingly obvious Xenophobia in brazil is that Gringoes cannot open a bank account and yet they can own property here, wtf
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Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 15:55
Read this, please: http://catenaecastro.com.br/news/conta-corrente-bancos-para-estrangeiros-no-brasil - http://catenaecastro.com.br/news/conta-corrente-bancos-para-estrangeiros-no-brasil |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 16:01
Adolescentes são particularmente cruéis. No entanto, o seu "racismo ao contrário" não prejudica significativamente as oportunidades de emprego ou socialização da sua filha na vida adulta. Quem mais vai sofrer com o preconceito vai ser você, isso é fato (as primeiras gerações de um povo imigrante sempre sofrem muito mais preconceito do que a segunda). |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 16:09
I would rather reply to this in English. Well, about you, cara0910, I see a strong pattern in your logic. * I was mistreated by Brazilians living in Rio. * Rio is xenophobic. * Rio is part of Brazil. * Therefore, Brazil is a whole is xenophobic. Now let's change this a bit. * I was mistreated by Americans living in South Carolina. * South Carolina is xenophobic. * South Carolina is part of the United States. * Therefore, South Carolina is a whole is xenophobic. Does it make sense to say US as a whole is xenophobic if people in South Carolina did not like me? Does it even make sense to say every single person in South Carolina is xenophobic? As you said yourself, there are "yokels" in US, but they're not everywhere. And yet, you claim there are yokels everywhere in Brazil. What I truly see is you being mistreated and reflecting some of your own prejudice using double standards. |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 16:36
Read this, please: http://catenaecastro.com.br/news/conta-corrente-bancos-para-estrangeiros-no-brasil%5b/QUOTE - http://catenaecastro.com.br/news/conta-corrente-bancos-para-estrangeiros-no-brasil[/QUOTE ] Yes, perhaps i didnt explain it clearly enough for you Megabyte, Gringoes without Permenant Visas and RNE's, Yes? I know Gringoes with Permanent Visa's can do most things. |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 17:17
I understand what you are saying, except Rio is supposedly the most open/friendly place in Brazil! South Carolina is NOT the Rio of the US! Hehe. |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 17:44
South Carolina is part of BRAZIL? Been playing with the improbablility drive again? |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 18:14
Typo. That's what you get for copying and pasting a few sentences sometimes, you know. Anyway, thanks, fixed. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 19:15
Hm.. Os 10% reservados para pessoas de pele negra em qualquer concurso publico - é racismo ou não? Eu não estou falando sobre vestibular, mas por exemplo - um concurso para cargo de juíz, quando candidatos já tem diploma universitário - por que uma pessoa vai ter mais vantagem sobre outra pessoa somente pela cor da sua pela? Por que um japonês (que é chamado de "japa" pelos brasileiros - e isto não se considera-se racismo) não tem também os 10% devido a sua forma dos olhos? Além de tudo: Quem mais vai sofrer com o preconceito vai ser você, isso é fato (as primeiras gerações de um povo imigrante sempre sofrem muito mais preconceito do que a segunda) - então - VOCÊ CONCORDA, que Brasil é um país xenófobo, não é? Exatamente isto eu quero dizer - os brasileiros são preconceituosos contra estrangeiros - mas NEGAM ISTO! Eles simplesmente recusam admitir isto! Eles se acham um país mais justo do mundo e se queixam dos europeus e das outras nações! Brasileiros, olham no espelho antes de criticar alguém! |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 19:39
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Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 20:45
No its not. Equality means treating the disequalities disequally in order to promote equality.
Well, for obvious reasons. Black people have been treated as disequal for centuries. Untill 1937, public education was forbidden in Brazil. For that reason you will find very few black judges in Brazil, so reserving 10% is a way to make good on the difference.
Have the japanese been enslaved untill 1888? Do they generally live in Favelas and go to public schools? |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 21:02
You know... I'm sorry I doubted about your skills before. This speech is indeed the one of a lawyer. |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 21:32
It's actually something very old, thought up by Aristoteles: O que faz surgir o problema é que o eqüitativo é justo, porém não o legalmente justo, e sim uma correção da justiça legal. A razão disto é que toda lei é universal, mas a respeito de certas coisas não é possível fazer uma afirmação universal que seja correta. Nos casos, pois, em que é necessário falar de modo universal, mas não é possível fazê-lo corretamente, a lei considera o caso usual, se bem que não ignore a possibilidade de erro. E nem por isso tal modo de proceder deixa de ser correto, pois o erro não está na lei, nem no legislador, mas natureza da própria coisa, já que os assuntos práticos são dessa espécie por natureza. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 21:34
Bem... Visita a colonia japonesa em Cristal e Ivoti (Rio Grande do Sul) vai ver os japoneses de chinelo de dedo + estudantes da escolas públicas em casas "quase favelas". São agricultores muito pobres. Ok, eu vou deixar japoneses ao lado. Mas os primeiros alemães chagaram para Brasil ANTES de 1888, atraídos pelas FALSAS promessas de governo Brasileiro de boas terras e ajuda. Foram colocados no "interior do interior" dos estados RS e SC, sem ajuda alguma. Sobreviveram. Tem muitas colonias onde se fala até agora alemão (dialeto) no sul do Brasil. São pobres, filhos deles estudam nas escolas públicas e usam SUS como plano de saúde. Porém, filhos deles não vão ter direito aos 10% das quotas pois tem pele branca e olhos azuis. Alguns anos atras num concurso público de nível superior tinha 20 vagas e mais de 600 candidatos. Os primeiros 18 vagas foram ocupados pela classificação geral. As duas últimas - pelas pessoas de pele negra (10%), que nem entraram na primeira CENTENA dos classificados... Até agora - tudo bem, nos estamos dando uma oportunidade... se não fosse uma detalhe: uma das pessoas era uma filha de um casal negro, ambos são cirurgiões plásticos e filha deles terminou uma faculdade de medicina particular cuja mensalidade naquela época era de 4500,00 reais por mês. Numa entrevista para um jornal local esta guria, nascida em berço de ouro, que estudou no melhor colégio particular da cidade, falou que ela acha a situação, pois para ela foi dada neste concurso público uma "oportunidade" devido a cor da pele dela... Detalhe: pediu exoneração logo depois, pois o salário era baixo e trabalho era difícil :-) |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 21:42
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Por isso hoje em dia, alem de ser negro tem que ter cursado em escola público.
The case you describe is not treating the desiqual desequally, it's treatig the equal disequal to give them an advantage. Obs: The STF decided on the constitutionality of quotas. |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 21:46
Unfortunately, this sort of abuse will always exist. No law is perfect. We can only make laws this good, but there's always going to be "loopholes." And yes, unfortunately the Germans before 1888, as many other immigrants, were tricked. However, most of the ones that moved to the south of Brazil thrived. So much, indeed, that they once started a war to separate from Brazil and to be a different country altogether. Overall, their social well-being is much better than the rest of the country – and that ranges from environment policies to education. |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 22:10
@Megabyte. Good point. Let's START with good laws. Discriminating based on skin color is a poor way to make up for the inequalities of society. The US has failed with such policies. Almost all social scientists have united against them. Yet, Brazil is going this route. Good luck! Going to ruin the only good thing that country has! Hahaha 
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Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 25 April 2012 at 22:22
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Cara:
1) Brazil has good laws, just lacks a lot in enforcement 2) brazil ain't the US, just because it didn't work there doesn't mean it won't work here. 3) what social scientists are that? Americans? Cotas is somethIng used in Europe and seems to work. |
Posted By: cara0910
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 00:24
1) good laws? Pahahaha! If you don't like freedom of speech! How about the ban on that HOPE ad? Please.... 2) I feel ya. I agree. It's not that it won't work. I know you are a history buff and that you understand Brazil. You know about "one drop," the quantification of "indigenousness" etc. in the US? Now, translate that to Brazil...race is a myth. All these laws do are perpetuate it. 3) Umm, how about this one from UFRJ: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/03/29/brazils-racial-identity-challenge/looking-to-the-us-has-been-a-mistake-for-brazil "Yvonne Maggie is a professor in the department of cultural anthropology at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro. She is the author of "Guerra de Orixá" and "Medo do Feitiço" and co-editor of "Raça Como Retórica." She blogs at A Vida Como Ela Parece Ser. The history of racial relations in Brazil, which is completely different from the American case, leads me to believe that no, Brazil would not benefit from U.S.-style affirmative action. A Brazilian quota system based on group identities similar to the U.S. would have to render separate that which is conjoined. In Brazil, there was no legislation dividing the population into "races," nor prohibiting marriage between people of different "races," in the post-abolition period; we’ve had no "one drop of blood" rule. The result is a national society based on the idea of mixture. U.S. affirmative action seeks to unite and make equal what had been separated by law. To implement this in Brazil, we would have to create legal identities based on the opposition between whites and blacks or African descendents. A Brazilian system based on group identities similar to American affirmative action would have to render separate that which is conjoined. For this to come about we would first have to establish potentially harmful policies delimiting distinct "racial" identities. This is precisely what has been happening in the last 10 years in Brazil since the first law was passed to create racial quotas for access to university. Since then, public school programs have sought to strengthen identities through courses that attempt to establish who is "black" and who is not, and, in many cases, courts have adjudicated on whether people who self-proclaim to be "black," as defined by law, are speaking the truth or lying. I, therefore, think that the greatest challenge to the implementation of a system of affirmative action in Brazil is, precisely, overcoming the influence of North American models. We should instead focus on programs that seek to remedy past injustices toward the poor, strengthening the ideal of equality and not the idea that humanity is divided into “races,” a notion that has caused great harm the world over. Programs geared toward poverty would positively affect a large parcel of blacks in poverty, without the grave defect of legally pigenoholing the population into blacks and whites." |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 07:54
Querido Sven. Você esta errado. "Cursar" escola pública está exigido somente para vestibular (passar na faculdade federal) Porém - para qualquer concurso público no Brasil (inclusive de nível SUPERIOR - quando as pessoas ja tem diploma universitário - quero dizer, eles ja tiveram oportunidade de se FORMAR no nível superior ou até concluíram pós-graduação) - tem regras básicas: 10% das vagas - são reservadas para deficientes físicos (meus aplausos, concordo!) 10% das vagas - são reservadas para pessoas de pele negra, independentemente do nível sócio-econômico, escola qual cursou, faculdade... Nestes casos, por exemplo, um loiro de olhos azuis de família pobre, que com sacrifício terminou uma faculdade - no-fundo-de quintal (trabalhando de manha e estudando de noite) esta em clara desvantagem ao comparar com pessoa de pele negra, nascida em berço de ouro, que terminou melhor escola particular e faculdade paga no exterior por exemplo... Nestas situações - o que decide - SOMENTE COR DE PELE. |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 08:32
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And do you see many people "de pele negra" as funcionários públicos?
Is you are a concurseiro, and you always end up in the lowest 10%, study harder.... |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 18:04
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Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 18:23
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This has not been my experience during many years in Brasil. In fact, I feel like most extra gringo attention I've received has usually been well mannered, with only a few exceptions. Of course...
Xenophobes, a**holes, etc all are the same, and all part of the human race. Let it pass. If ya dwell on the idiots, then you might miss something something else worthwhile. PS - However, the people in Brasil who I really dislike are those who are 2 faced. They are friendly, with smiles good manners, but this is an act to mask their intentions. Lordy, this world is filled with all kinds, no? ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 22:35
Brazil is known for having bad customer support overall. I once had a trouble with my credit card, as I've paid my bill with weeks of antecedence, but the system hadn't recognized my bill had been paid. So, I called customer support. I had to be Buddha. Once, they hung up straight on me. Then, I had to re-explain everything all over again. I was redirected to another sector, then they hung up on me *again*! Then, I called a third time, and said their system told them the bill had been paid weeks ago. I was simultaneously online to check out things, and I noticed that they were actually "fixing" the problem manually so they wouldn't admit their mistakes! When I asked "what happened," they just replied "well, sometimes the system takes a while to recognize payment." Oh, really? About the guys running over you, well, I guess Brazilians love to insult people using their weak spot. If you were riding the street the wrong way and you were a Brazilian woman, they'd say, "Oh, no wonder. A woman." If you looked gay, "Oh, no wonder. A faggot." (And if you looked gay, they would probably throw some "cocksucker" insults and worse.) If you were an elder, you'd get, "Oh, but it had to be an old hag / guy!" |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 26 April 2012 at 23:43
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Indeed Grads and Megabyte. Customer services yes. Oi for example to resolve a fixed line problem, they asked me to fax them my details which i tried to do for about a month but their lines were engaged constantly so i gave up and they aventually disconected my line. Very rude telephone operators i just started joking with them in the end. But you are right, there are a**holes everywhere on the roads and on the whole things are getting better here and sometimes i have had alot of help, rare but heroes are everywhere, i guess we can allow the negatives to override the positives in our minds at times, but i always try to treat people with respect and help them if i can, like pushing a young ladies car around a car park afew months back trying to get it started for her when i saw her having car trouble, haha. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 07:48
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Tentam comprar uma passagem aérea via webjet. O sistema on-line pede CPF. Então, sendo turista ou estrangeiro sem CPF ainda você é obrigado comprar passagem aérea mais cara - TAM, GOL. So quem tem CPF consegue passagem de avião de companhia mais barata.
Brasileiros adoram um gringo, quando este gringo tem grana, quando vem de um país "rico" -da Europa ou USA. Eles vão gostar este gringo somente quando vejam que podem tirar algum proveito, alguma vantagem (nem que seja SOMENTE aprender sua lingua "de graça" ou - para mulheres - quando este gringo paga as contas num lugar mais diferenciado). Assim que eles percebem que não vão conseguir tirar nenhuma vantagem em cima de você, eles ja começam falar mal. Sobre emigrantes dos paises latinoamericanos (bolivianos, paraguaios, peruanos etc) - eu nem falo, pois estes são sempre motivos de piadas e péssimos tratamentos. Até os argentinos, que nos meses de verão vão para praias de Santa Catarina sempre são mal vistos, pois "ocupam nossas praias". |
Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 08:02
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When dealing with Oi or any other telco, one must have ANATEL on speed dial. If you don't succeed in resolving the problem on the first try, lodge a complaint with ANATEL. Within 2 days someone from the telco will call you and resolve your problem. Their number is 1331.
When they cut your landline, they usually do so even though stating on the phone they won't. That's good for some 2K in damages. In 2010, Oi paid 5.1 BILLION, 11% of their gross result, in legal damages. Meaning that BEFORE TAXES some 15% of your phone bill serves to pay legal damages due to the crappy service they provide. Same goes for credit card companies. You paid, they say they didn't, go get your 2k in damages in Juizados Especiais. It's free and no lawyer is required although it might be worth it. |
Posted By: Megabyte
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 09:08
É... infelizmente eu não tenho sobre o que comentar contra a rixa que temos contra os argentinos. Essa realmente existe, e é péssima: é muito mais do nosso lado do que o deles! |
Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 10:31
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Yes, Triste, much of what you say is true. A some Brasilians don't like Argentines (especially portanos) and also look down on bolivianos, et al. Brasilian laws are racially biased, etc...or so you say as your opinion.
It is also true that Uruguayans don't like Argentines, at all! ...True that many Europeans don't like the French, although it is mostly just in Paris where they are snobs....True that Greeks don't like Turks....True that India doesn't like Pakistan...and true that many don't like Americans or Russians for many reasons...ETCETERA, VICE VERSA, AD NAUSEUM! This is most obvious, and it is a quality of humanity, not just Brasil. So, you are Triste. Sad sensitivity becomes outrage. Are Brasilians any worse or better for the way some treat others in the world? NO. In fact, they are fairly friendly, as people of the world go. Should everyone, no matter where they come from, be treated with kindness and dignity? YES. That's the way the world is, and hopefully human nature is evolving into something better. It is a battle that needs to be fought - perhaps by people who feel so "Triste," like you. One thing is for sure: You, or your alter ego (sic), have made the point well in the forum - at Brasil's expense. Demais! More grinding of this topic here seems pointless to me, unless you are obsessive or dishonest about your cause. Shine your light for the oppressed...but please, it is needed in many more places than concentrated in this tiny forum of the world. ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 13:21
Caro Grads, concordo plenamente com você em tudo que você escreveu. Pois eu fugi da tema do meu tópico, comecei escrever magoas pessoais de estrangeiro qualquer. Óbvio, O problema não é que os brasileiros gostam ou não gostam qualquer estrangeiro.. isto acontece nos todos os países. O problema é: 1. A XENOFIBIA esta nos LEIS brasileiros - - desde Constituiçao até os federais, estaduais, municipais... (Conheci recémtemente uma moça do Leste Europeo que casou com um brasileiro - esta no Brasil há um ano e 10 meses - até agora a documenteçaõ dele não progrediu para receber RNI e visto permanete. Ela vive com protocolo da Policia Federal e não consegue emprego. Tem cabimento? Tendo marido brasileiro!!!) 2. 2. Apesar de xenofobia estar NOS LEIS brasileiros - brasileiros são tão ignorantes que se acham que são a única naçao do mundo, que não prejudica estangeiros, que "recebe estrangeiros de braços abertos". Eles criticam outras naçoes e fazem uma gritaria na mádia quando algum brasileiro fica "mal tratado" no outor país. Problema é este - BRASILEIROS, OLHAM ANTES NO ESPELHO! Revisam seus leis burocráticos e xenofóbicos, não tratam mal os outros naçoes. Daí, voces podem criticar outros! Não precisa ir muito longe - revisam dados da UNHCR (ACNUR em portugues) - o Brasil acolhe refugiados, sim (claro, tem que se mostar "boazinhos" para o resto do mundo!). MAS: OS REFUGIADOS NÃO FICAM FICA! Os REFUGIADOS PREFEREM VOLTAR PARA seus países, do que ficar no Brasil!!!! Isto não acontece com refugiados que são acolhidos pelas outras naçoes... |
Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 27 April 2012 at 13:36
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OK Triste. Brasil needs to look in the mirror and revise laws. HELLO!!! Most everyone on this Forum are grngos - who have a lot of opinions on everything, but little say in anything, and absolutely no vote at all.
Your pleading for attention and calls for change are touching, querido(a), but you win nothing here except a shoulder to cry on, or an arguement, or probably a lot of discussion about things not related to your critical points. Speaking of which, this is all I have to say. I tire of complaints...mine included. ------------- Quem puxa os seus nao degenara. |
Posted By: Triste
Date Posted: 28 April 2012 at 08:41
Sim, Grads amado(a)  ! Eu procurava - e achei - exatamente ombro amigo" aqui, procurava as pessoas que nem como eu sentem que o Brasil é um país xenofóbico - e ACHEI.
Sabe, uns anos atras, num outro fórum, no qual se falava outra língua, eu quase briguei com uma pessoa anônima que escrevei que o Brasil é xenófobo. Naquele época eu recem cheguei para Brasil, estava deslumbrada e achava que os sorrisos e palavras dos brasileiros são verdadeiros - pessoa ingênua era eu! Pois agora eu assino embaixo de cada palavra daquela pessoa anônima, que cansado de Brasil foi embora... Acho que um fato é interessante: na minha língua materna eu tenho dificuldade de achar análogo de algumas palavras brasileiras, do tipo: - "jeitinho" 
- "sacanagem" + verbo "sacanear" + pessoa "sacana"
- "vagabundo", "bagaceiro", "malandro" (apesar que tem "vagabond" inglês...)
Porém este tipo das palavras eu escuto cada dia aqui, bem como vejo coisas que correspondem a estas palavras. Sem comentários, tá bom? "Die Spreu vom Weizen trennen" |
Posted By: Amsterdam
Date Posted: 28 April 2012 at 17:25
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Sven 5.1 Billion in damages and they still dont care about customes services, it just says it all doesnt it. I have heard that TIM are going down the toilet aswell, know idea why, its just what i heard up here in the northeast. |