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Topic: Better off...
Posted By: Grads
Subject: Better off...
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 16:39
Here is a question inspired by elections and regime changes around the world these days:

Who, "Living in Brasil," cares to say whether their life is better or worse than it was 4 years ago...in Brasil, that is?

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Posted By: Gringo.Floripa
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 17:10

I'll answer your question first with a question:  Is Brasil at war, anywhere, with anyone (other than some traficantes)???

IMO, life is 'better' here, because of the absence of war, and the skewed mentality that goes with it.




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Posted By: 3casas
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 17:25
I would, absolutely.  Of course, is this a real question, or is this the setup to a trollfest??

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Posted By: kevbo
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 17:29


Posted By: kevbo
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 17:32
just to add to my last post....err yes because Brazil was at war four years ago.
The only thing that I feel is the dramatic rise in the cost of living.However I still prefer things here compared to the UK


Posted By: Gringo.Floripa
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 17:41
Originally posted by 3casas

or is this the setup to a trollfest??


I know some local fishermen who have some large trawl nets.  They use them to catch tainha, but I'm sure they're good at trawling for trolls too... Wink

@Kevbo:  Brasil was at war 4 years ago? Confused
I must have missed that skirmish....




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Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 18:03
3 Casas: not meant to be troll fest, but who can control? For me, I feel that I am better off and better positioned for the future than 4 years ago. I am glad to be in Brasil at this time.

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Posted By: kevbo
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 19:31
GF,the OP asked if life was better in Brazil now than four years ago.You claimed it was good because Brazil is not at war.Again was it at war four years ago?(insert silly face),hence war as no bearing on the matter.


Posted By: Esprit
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 20:10

Seriously, apart from the poor bastards living in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and such like battlefields, who among us has had a corporeal problem with war during the past four years? If violence and statistical risk is a problem, why would any right-thinking person choose to live in Brazil?

The prospect of a more serious conflict with Iran [Obama has said that he doesn’t bluff] may fill more newspapers, yet bouncing the rubble on Iranian nuclear facilities wouldn’t cause any shortage at the gasoline pumps in Brazil. Of course we could all wring our hands worrying about it but we’ve been there before and marvelled at the military technology and political rhetoric. So, other than the actual battlefields, it’s all just a conversation piece.

Life for me in Brazil is much that same as it was four years ago apart from the fact that money doesn’t buy as much. Regretfully, as each year passes I become more cynical about Brazil and its oh so tiresome ways; I have to guard against that as I watch the world go to hell in a hand basket.      



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Posted By: Grads
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 20:37
I too grow more cynical about the world in general -not just Brasil- but there is a certain mystery to life itself which always makes it worth the adventure.

We aren't the first, nor will we be the last, to think the world is going to hell in a hand basket.


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Posted By: Gringodude
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 20:41
Brazil is amazing! I feel there's too much attention and spotlight on her. Which is part of the problem If it's fun now, wait until olympics/wc and then see what happens.

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Keeping the BrazilianLifestyle


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Posted By: Esprit
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 21:22
Originally posted by Gringodude

Brazil is amazing! I feel there's too much attention and spotlight on her. Which is part of the problem If it's fun now, wait until olympics/wc and then see what happens.
 

Dude, four years ago you were just beginning to sprout hairs under your arms; you’re easily amazed. LOL



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Esprit


Posted By: Gringodude
Date Posted: 04 March 2012 at 21:41
If it's war you want, it's war you'll get!

Mark my words!    

You haven't seen the last of me!

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Keeping the BrazilianLifestyle


"Have a great day everyone" - Ray
"You know who you are, now go and reflect!" - Esprit


Posted By: Gringo.Floripa
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 11:21
Originally posted by Esprit

So, other than the actual battlefields, it’s all just a conversation piece.


Esprit, you obviously missed a series of legislation passed since 'war' was declared against the phantom called Terror.  But you're not from the US, so yes, it would just be a conversation piece for you....




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Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 11:27
in response to the OP, I'd use the intelligent words of Dr. House: "Nothing ever changes"


Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 12:17
In 2006, 100k internet was "reasonable". Now where I live, I can get 10 mb.

Quality of life... I don't notice too many changes except rising prices. When I came here, you could get a 600 ml Brama for 2,30. Now it's 4,50. I'm using the same bar as a comparison because I know, prices with beer can vary greatly depending on the area of town.

Depsite the increase in the cost of living, I'm still doing fine. At least I don't have to listen to "terror" alerts all day long.




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Posted By: Esprit
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 13:38
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

Originally posted by Esprit

So, other than the actual battlefields, it’s all just a conversation piece.


Esprit, you obviously missed a series of legislation passed since 'war' was declared against the phantom called Terror.  But you're not from the US, so yes, it would just be a conversation piece for you...

The new terror laws to which you refer, do they actually impinge on daily life or impinge at an intellectual or principled level?

Incidentally, I’ve seen close up the terrible results of terrorism attacks in London that came from both the IRA and radical Islam so I’m very much aware of terrorism’s reality and the subsequent security measures that have been put in place there; the juxtaposition that is awareness between paranoia and a feeling of security.

We’ve witnessed the evolution in the British government’s attitude to IRA terrorism that started with the brute and futile force of military action all the way through to the negotiating table when a cease-fire was agreed in 1998.

Today the world is still at the military force stage while fighting Islamic terrorism. Perhaps the Western democracies, or rather their innocent populations, instead of flag waving, supporting the troops [cannon fodder] and tying yellow ribbons, ought to address their politicians and suggest that they investigate the reasons why their countries are under constant alert and threat of attack and to seek a resolution beyond the expensive futility of operating overwhelming military force against shadows hiding behind rocks. The war on terror cannot be won in this manner.      



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Posted By: Gringodude
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 13:58
I agree with you, for once, you make it apparently obvious with the topic of terrorism. The shifting between colours, you might be stuck in traffic or at a rave, and this is suppose to be useful? I find it annoying that people are so stupid, so easily convinced to remain on track like sheep.

The suggestive measures of law ruling over the people, since the terrorism attacks, is a largely overdone. Let's not get started on the conspiracy of an inside job. It's all a measure of control and manipulation for power, but do we dare say anything in objection? No, because we enjoy our lives and trust that our headers have our best interests at heart ...



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"Have a great day everyone" - Ray
"You know who you are, now go and reflect!" - Esprit


Posted By: IrishNatal
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 20:34
Esprit, you touched a nerve, we witnessed the british governments total and utter capitulation on terrorism by their actions in Northern Ireland. Little Tony sold himself and his cabinet down the river by caving in to the IRA. He stood in Hillsborough and swore that the prisoners would not be released, swore to it! Then he decided he never actually said that and the rest is history. The day the prisoners walked free was the day I decided I needed to leave my country. Its part of the reason that Im in Brazil now, I refuse to be governed by terrorists or be any part of a country that subscribes to double standards. In my world murder is murder no matter what your "cause". And the sentence given should be served! NO exceptions!

And there is no way the war on terror can be won in any manner other than capitulation. You kill 1 terrorist and their cause is enhanced 100 times. (thatcher, hunger strike) Unless you resort to mass murder, its the only way of dealing with it, wiping out 100's, 1000's or more who share a belief. The war on terror will end because its costing too much or that the threat posed against the US/UK by the terrorists outweigh the hassle of chasing them.

Thats exactly what happened in Northern Ireland, London was at too much threat, too many bombs, so they caved in, let them out of jail and gave them all government jobs! Jesus, they are even running for the Irish presidency (not that its a position worth a toss). In the next 5 years the US/UK will be kissing arab butt because its more cost effective than war! My 2 cents!


Posted By: Gringo.Floripa
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 20:52
Originally posted by Esprit

Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

Originally posted by Esprit

So, other than the actual battlefields, it’s all just a conversation piece.


Esprit, you obviously missed a series of legislation passed since 'war' was declared against the phantom called Terror.  But you're not from the US, so yes, it would just be a conversation piece for you...

The new terror laws to which you refer, do they actually impinge on daily life or impinge at an intellectual or principled level?



Daily life:  Living here in Brasil, no... not yet.  But it might, once FACTA kicks in (oh, but since you're not from the US, this too is just a conversation piece to toss about over cocktails).  All this financial "disclosure" strong-arming gained it's momentum under fighting the big T monster.  We certainly can't have any expats buying arms (wittingly, or unwittingly) for the _____________ (fill in the blank with your favorite T cause/charity), now can we?

Intellectual and/or Principled Level:  If my nerves are impinged anymore than now, by what is (gradually) occurring, I will scream... louder.

Yet I certainly do concur with your last statement, the 'war' presently being waged cannot be won under the present "game plan".  However, why would those in charge want to win?  Their game plan is war for profit.




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Posted By: FloripaRawb
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 20:55
Granted I've only been here six weeks...but I moved down here to start a business.

In only a few unrealistic circumstances(Natalie Portman, massive amounts of molly, Jerry Garcia back from the dead) could I ever imagine myself to even attempt a start-up in the States right now.


Posted By: Gringo.Floripa
Date Posted: 05 March 2012 at 21:10
Originally posted by FloripaRawb


In only a few unrealistic circumstances(Natalie Portman, massive amounts of molly, Jerry Garcia back from the dead) could I ever imagine myself to even attempt a start-up in the States right now.


As for economic climate, you're probably on to something.  Yet as for ease and sanity of the set-up/start-up process, keep searching for a place to refill your Zanax Rx!



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Posted By: Esprit
Date Posted: 06 March 2012 at 01:24
Originally posted by IrishNatal

Esprit, you touched a nerve, we witnessed the british governments total and utter capitulation on terrorism by their actions in Northern Ireland. Little Tony sold himself and his cabinet down the river by caving in to the IRA. He stood in Hillsborough and swore that the prisoners would not be released, swore to it! Then he decided he never actually said that and the rest is history. The day the prisoners walked free was the day I decided I needed to leave my country. Its part of the reason that Im in Brazil now, I refuse to be governed by terrorists or be any part of a country that subscribes to double standards. In my world murder is murder no matter what your "cause". And the sentence given should be served! NO exceptions!

And there is no way the war on terror can be won in any manner other than capitulation. You kill 1 terrorist and their cause is enhanced 100 times. (thatcher, hunger strike) Unless you resort to mass murder, its the only way of dealing with it, wiping out 100's, 1000's or more who share a belief. The war on terror will end because its costing too much or that the threat posed against the US/UK by the terrorists outweigh the hassle of chasing them.

Thats exactly what happened in Northern Ireland, London was at too much threat, too many bombs, so they caved in, let them out of jail and gave them all government jobs! Jesus, they are even running for the Irish presidency (not that its a position worth a toss). In the next 5 years the US/UK will be kissing arab butt because its more cost effective than war! My 2 cents!

“Yeah but he started it, mommy!” From the first law of physics we learn that for every action there is a positive and equal reaction.  And this law can be usefully misappropriated when attempting to analyse conflicts between human beings.

In the limited space allowed I have no intention of regurgitating the cause of the Irish problem; suffice it to say that Ireland was invaded, conquered and subjugated by the English hundreds of years ago; as was the fashion of the day. Naturally, the Irish took exception to this and struggled down through the ages for justice and freedom. An incomplete freedom was achieved following various rebellious atrocities that may be described as acts of terrorism.

That outcome was a partial victory won by the terrorists, the Irish Republican Army [IRA freedom fighters] resulting in the unfortunate and cataclysmic partition of Ireland in 1922 when all but six of the counties became the Irish Republic we know today. This political folly was midwife at the birth of Northern Ireland; that throbbing abscess eating at the brain of some republicans. Little wonder Mick Collins knew that he had signed his own death warrant when he agreed to this compromise. This death warrant also applied to the thousands that continue to follow him into the grave; all were right but now just as dead as if they had been wrong.

The rest is modern history and the lesson offered, taunted by that law of physics, is that we must examine the cause of any hostile actions before we gauge our reaction to it; always remembering that the ideas, causation and passions behind terrorism, cannot be placated by further violence. There is hard evidence to suggest that effective terrorism ultimately brings the adversaries to the table. Therefore let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories about the deaths of men.

Countless stories give testimony that there is always wrong on both sides to be acknowledged in order that we can make amends and, if not forgiven, set aside for time to quench the heat of anger and the need of vengeance. To kill an enemy, to take his life, is too much yet anything else is too little. When a man lays dead at your feet it is a good time to hold a conversation with his soul across the great divide, to explain, to bring closure; but there is nothing left but a melancholic anticlimax and a kind of sadness combined with a type of forgiveness because there is nothing left to serve anger.

A resolution to the Irish problem is simplicity itself, however the irrational ideological objectives of fanaticism may require complete isolation from the rest of the world or the pure barbarism of a final solution; an unlikely possibility in the dimness of these enlightened times.



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Posted By: FloripaRawb
Date Posted: 06 March 2012 at 02:09
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa


Originally posted by FloripaRawb

In only a few unrealistic circumstances(Natalie Portman, massive amounts of molly, Jerry Garcia back from the dead) could I ever imagine myself to even attempt a start-up in the States right now.
As for economic climate, you're probably on to something.  Yet as for ease and sanity of the set-up/start-up process, keep searching for a place to refill your Zanax Rx!



My business partner is a manezin...let him do all the complicated stuff. heh.


Posted By: Gringo.Floripa
Date Posted: 06 March 2012 at 07:45
Originally posted by FloripaRawb

Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa


Originally posted by FloripaRawb

In only a few unrealistic circumstances(Natalie Portman, massive amounts of molly, Jerry Garcia back from the dead) could I ever imagine myself to even attempt a start-up in the States right now.
As for economic climate, you're probably on to something.  Yet as for ease and sanity of the set-up/start-up process, keep searching for a place to refill your Zanax Rx!


My business partner is a manezin...let him do all the complicated stuff. heh.


Leave the 'complicated stuff' to a Manezinho?!?   You haven't even opened your company, and you're already screwed!  Confused



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Posted By: sven
Date Posted: 06 March 2012 at 08:28
Originally posted by FloripaRawb




My business partner is a manezin...let him do all the complicated stuff. heh.


"smart" move   


Does the term "for the English to see" ring a bell?


Posted By: spongebob
Date Posted: 06 March 2012 at 10:13
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

Originally posted by Esprit

Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

Originally posted by Esprit

So, other than the actual battlefields, it’s all just a conversation piece.


Esprit, you obviously missed a series of legislation passed since 'war' was declared against the phantom called Terror.  But you're not from the US, so yes, it would just be a conversation piece for you...

The new terror laws to which you refer, do they actually impinge on daily life or impinge at an intellectual or principled level?



Daily life:  Living here in Brasil, no... not yet.  But it might, once FACTA kicks in (oh, but since you're not from the US, this too is just a conversation piece to toss about over cocktails).  All this financial "disclosure" strong-arming gained it's momentum under fighting the big T monster.  We certainly can't have any expats buying arms (wittingly, or unwittingly) for the _____________ (fill in the blank with your favorite T cause/charity), now can we?

Intellectual and/or Principled Level:  If my nerves are impinged anymore than now, by what is (gradually) occurring, I will scream... louder.

Yet I certainly do concur with your last statement, the 'war' presently being waged cannot be won under the present "game plan".  However, why would those in charge want to win?  Their game plan is war for profit.



If you're American, the FATCA will affect your life. Funny though, on my CNE, it says "Norte Americano". Tudo bem! Eu sou canadense! How many times have they asked for your citizenship: ALWAYS.

How many times have they actually verified it? NEVER. You could say that you are from Toronto and they will never know the difference. When I apply for a Brazilian passport, I'm going to squawk and chorar until they put Toronto as my place of birth.

Lalalalalalala - the US can go **** itself. I didn't ask to be born there, nor do I owe them anything.




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Posted By: FloripaRawb
Date Posted: 06 March 2012 at 11:55
C'mon...give the locals a *tiny* bit of credit. Maybe. We'll see in the coming months.

I few contracts were signed with the company a month or so prior to my arrival/signing of the paperwork...he really just needed a smooth talking, blue eyed gringo to add a sense of legitimacy to the business. A chance to build something how I want in a place as different/amazing as Brasil? Why not. Even if it fails...I go back to my little mountain town just south of Yellowstone no worse for wear, with a few good stories to tell and one more bullet of bullsh*t on my resume. :D



Posted By: WENGER
Date Posted: 06 March 2012 at 12:52
Originally posted by Esprit

[QUOTE=IrishNatal]Esprit, you touched a nerve, we witnessed the british governments total and utter capitulation on terrorism by their actions in Northern Ireland. Little Tony sold himself and his cabinet down the river by caving in to the IRA. He stood in Hillsborough and swore that the prisoners would not be released, swore to it! Then he decided he never actually said that and the rest is history. The day the prisoners walked free was the day I decided I needed to leave my country. Its part of the reason that Im in Brazil now, I refuse to be governed by terrorists or be any part of a country that subscribes to double standards. In my world murder is murder no matter what your "cause". And the sentence given should be served! NO exceptions!

Thats exactly what happened in Northern Ireland, London was at too much threat, too many bombs, so they caved in, let them out of jail and gave them all government jobs! Jesus, they are even running for the Irish presidency (not that its a position worth a toss). In the next 5 years the US/UK will be kissing arab butt because its more cost effective than war! My 2 cents!

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