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Quote zerotres Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 07:19
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Squiddie, I´d rather think about social differences than cultural differences. Middle-class university background is same all over the world, with some national flavour.


Exactly. This is where my questions were pointing...

Originally posted by zerotres

2. Ask yourself: have you dated someone with her background before? (single mother, poor, much younger, etc.) What if she was from your country? Are you romanticizing her because she's a poor Brazilian? What's your view/stance/relationship with the poor in your own country?


If you've never dated someone poor from your country, then you have two gaps two cross: the socio-economic one and the cultural one.

Squiddie, how old are you?
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Quote RichB Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 08:22
Brasilian girls can be very expert on making you feel special, that you are the only one etc.
 
"...passionate love..." is again something they are very expert at. Many, many would be the same and once you have experience of Brazil, Brasilian girls, then you would be understanding that it is their way 
 
She is much younger than you, has a child. Is she working at this moment, how is she supporting herself etc, these are areas that you should be investigating and be very wary about.      
 
I would be wary of getting involved so emotionally with someone so fast.
 
Be very careful especially as you say you are "...betting such a huge wager..." and follow the advice of Angejh, and spend some time, a few weeks holiday etc getting to really know each other better before you jump in and probably really regret it later on!
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Quote Steven Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 09:12
Hello Squiddie,
 
Your post is long on romance but short on details.  You don't tell us anything about where you are, where she is.  Would you be moving to Brazil to rescue her from her quasi-favela existence? 
 
The short answer to your question is - No - this will never work.
 
My own situation of being married to a well educated Brazilian woman hits rough spots at times simply due to the cultural differences. 
 
Assuming that your post is legit then I advise you to let this situation percolate for awhile - perhaps a couple of years of dating, even if it's long distance dating.  If the flame is still burning and you two can still find conversation topics then go ahead.  But not right now.
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Quote flamingringo Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 10:42
You need to wake up man you sound like a little boy with a wild crush. Of course this women is excited about you, she lives in poverty and you coming along gives her the chance to get out of it. Her family will be ecstatic about this aswell especially as you will be also raising her child with her.

The reason she is interested in you is because she thinks you will provide a better standard of living. And from a purely animalistic view this is natural. However she does not want you because of you. You could be any gringo, it doesn't matter.

You have known her for a few days you have only seen her absolute best side. Maybe you shouldn't try to be the knight in shining armor.
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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 10:55

A friend of mine has this situation cracked. At any given time he has at least five such “pretty girl magical love affairs” going on i.e. favelas girls that are invariably single moms and swooning lovers. He’s no Brad Pitt lookalike yet he has that irresistible qualification of being a gringo.

There have been times when he’s caused me to blink in amazement when two such young females emerge from his bedroom for a late breakfast! I have asked him what type of conversations he has with these people and again invariably they tell him of their troubles; woeful Brazilian men, little or no employment, the hope of getting some form of qualification and their need of a loving stable relationship. Beyond that, diddlysquat about the world at large.

Outside of his need of firm young bodies, he has absolutely nothing in common with his playmates. Sure, occasionally he confesses to falling madly in love but that usually lasts but a few days. The guy has had a vasectomy and wears more rubber than Jacques Cousteau while continuing life like the falling man; so far, so good. His only expenses are the odd dress to have them look acceptable in restaurants and taxi fares. Such a deplorable life is not everyone’s cup of tea yet it’s cheaper than marriage and infinitely more entertaining – some a sideline perspective.     

   

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Quote Squiddie Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 11:10
That's exactly right. I have to ask myself these questions. But I don't know what the answer is. And I don't know if those pre-conceived notions are true. I am not looking for "young bodies", but there is also nothing wrong about a "Pretty Girl" if she has a really good heart. I am an intellectual inside-out. But what I feel I have been lacking is not intellectual stimulation. I am longing for emotional connection, physical closeness, and fun, like listening to music together, dancing together. I'm not looking for exchangeable partners. Can one really get bored in one relationship of just making each other feel good? I never felt that this was getting too much and got boring to me.

I have seen a bit of life. I am not into her for rescuing her but because I think she is a gem for me.  But I do not know how I could get behind this gringo issue. I could be pessimistic, it won't ever work, or can be a dreamer and strike lucky. I am a scientist and engineer, I am not looking for 100% certainty, but I am looking for evidence, not just preconceived opinions.

Your general advice and opinions are appreciated, but I really would like to hear some more evidence, anecdotal evidence, shared stories of how these relationships have worked out or have failed.

How many people here are Northerners having married a Brazilian? Was it in same social class / educational level or across classes? How did it turn out? How many years has it been? Is it going strong? What crises did you face with each other and how did you manage? If yours has failed, what is your theory why? What are your lessons learned from success or failure?

I really would like to hear first hand real-life experience. Thanks so much!


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Quote andrewfroboy Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 11:34
There is a much bigger cultural gap between the Brazilian middle class and the Brazilian poor than between the US/European middle class and the Brazilian middle class. I would recommend having conversations with her (i.e. Skype) in such a way that you aren't just getting her young sex appeal and she isn't just getting your money to see if there is anything to the relationship.
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Quote Squiddie Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 11:58
Originally posted by andrewfroboy

There is a much bigger cultural gap between the Brazilian middle class and the Brazilian poor than between the US/European middle class and the Brazilian middle class. I would recommend having conversations with her (i.e. Skype) in such a way that you aren't just getting her young sex appeal and she isn't just getting your money to see if there is anything to the relationship.


Absolutely. We talk a lot through MSN. Really asking some hard questions. She is asking me hard questions. She was trying to dump me several times because she did not want to destroy my life. It was very real, and she was very very sad about this. I was the one who chased after her to let us give it a chance. So she's not just hunting me. She seems very genuine and definitely not on the "easy girl tries to run multiple parallel affairs to pick the best one" type of person, and her child is explained just like any gringo single mother.

She never ever talks about money, never talks about material things she wants or cares about, and never asked me to do anything for her. This may still all play a role, but she is very romantic about just us, not about any thing else.


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Quote RichB Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 12:16
How many days have you known her for in total ??
 
First you mentioned its just been a few days since she´s met you and now you are advising "...She was trying to dump me several times ..."
 
Appears so much is going on in such a short space of time?!
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Quote amerifag Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 12:36
Copy and paste your original question into a folder somewhere so that in the future when people ask, "How did your life get ruined?", you'll have a convenient way to answer.

You've already admitted that you know that you're a romantic fool, and you've already expressed doubts about the circumstances of your two second relationship with a woman whom you know nothing about. If you decide to be foolish and do something dramatic with your life by ignoring your own sense of reason then enjoy the ride and go into it knowing that you get what you deserve.
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