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    Posted: 27 June 2010 at 21:30
I would be very grateful to hear some comments from people who have been there, done that, or know people first hand who have: I am about to make a huge change in my life because I think I have found true magical love with a Brazilian girl, single mother in her mid twenties (over a decade younger than I). Amazing girl whose passionate love makes me feel like in heaven on earth. I have always instinctively trusted her a lot, I think she has a genuine (in fact amazing) good heart. But we have not been able to spend much time together and we won't be able to before I am making a huge decision about my life betting everything on this one card.

As much as I am a romantic fool, I need to do some due diligence. I'm still so amazed that she would love me so dearly having just met me for few days (though intensely), why me? I mean I am a nice guy, o.k. and all, but no one has ever given me such affection. Too good to be true? I feel really bad about this second guessing, but since she comes from low class background I am concerned she (and her family) is into me (even subconsciously) in large parts for what I represent rather than who I really am.  I am getting the good sense of a lot of integrity and pride, they never ask me for anything material, but I am being pulled into the family big time, it scares me a little. I have to assess the risk that there may be expectations and hopes or assumptions about my economic power  that is fueling this and once the goal has been achieved, who knows how the emotions change. If this were to end in a disaster, I would have positively ruined a good life, not only mine, and all for what I would then call a foolish dream. So is it real? Can it last?

Obviously no one can give me specific advice about me and her, but I would like to know the odds, the good stories and some horror stories if they exist. So I can think clearly.

I read several reports that sound a bit like my story. People are just blown away by a lovely girl just conquering them with such grace and immense passion. It feels so good, there is no feeling like it. But I also read a lot here about divorces, jealousy issues, the guy who can never win an argument (that's me too, she is so powerful in her cute way), hysterical outbreaks in disputes. Or may be even that this affection which now is sweet like paradise may feel too much or suffocating later on. I think I would always love that because it feels so heavenly good now, but what can I watch out for or do to make that heaven last for a long time and prevent it from turning into a hell? Are there warning signs that I should be checking out?

I am especially concerned about the implication of the social status difference, and the survival instinct that may be at play here. Their living conditions are favela-like, although they have been trying to paint a different picture for me, and may be I am wrong. What experience has anyone made with marrying into a lower class family? Regrets? Warning signs? Advice how to handle it?

I love and trust her so much and she has always surprised me with her genuine goodness, I really don't want to keep second guessing her. But I am betting such a huge wager (and it's not the money I am concerned about) that I just have to do it with open eyes.

Thanks for sharing your stories and advice!


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Quote angejh Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2010 at 21:38
The key bits your message is missing are:  What do you mean you plan to make a huge change in your life?  And whatever it is, why is it necessary to make any such huge change?

If anything, why does not one of you not just travel to the other for a more reasonable period of time to spend together, but without making life-changing...well, changes!...??  
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Quote Squiddie Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2010 at 21:44
I would rather not discuss that part of the huge change. Let's just say, I thought life was supposed to be so-so, I thought true happiness does not exist and the art of a good life is to overcome desire and to make do. Inside of me I have longed for such an experience all my life: to be desired and delight in mutual exchange of affection. But have settled with less, and that would all unravel. Enough said about this, I want to focus on the odds not on the wager, I hope that is O.K.

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Quote angejh Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2010 at 21:59
ah... yes, all good.
...think you would have to see making the huge change as something you'd be at peace with having done regardless of how it turned out with your Brasilian girl.   Going in with your eyes open, knowing it might not work out, and being at peace with the change you're considering anyway.  If you can't feel that, then it's madness if you ask me. That has nothing to do with her being Brasilian, I'd say the same if she was from anywhere.

Unfortunately, we can't always hedge bets and rarely are able to really predict how something will work out.

As far as her being Brasilian, I do know some people who've been stung...even with girls they've spent much more time with.  They got their money and / or their citizenship elsewhere, and then ditched the guy like a hot potato.

Then of course there are people who have happy brilliant relationships.

Obviously all the risks are greater if you mainly know the person long-distance.  I do know how amazingly possible it is to feel close to someone that way, but it's still just not the same...there cannot be the same trust etc. Again, that applies to people from anywhere.

So there's no easy answers sorry.  Can only point back to my first paragraph. And if you do go ahead, take care until you can have more trust.

 Good luck.


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Quote zerotres Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2010 at 23:32
There is no easy answer. My advice is this:

1. Don't be so dramatic. Sure, you feel like you're in love, but don't forget our rational side. For example, you can always find a way to make extra visits before you make any life changing decisions.

2. Ask yourself: have you dated someone with her background before? (single mother, poor, much younger, etc.) What if she was from your country? Are you romanticizing her because she's a poor Brazilian? What's your view/stance/relationship with the poor in your own country?

3. Ask her: has she dated someone with your background before? (middle/upper class, educated, etc.) What's her experience/history with foreigners? Is she, like many Brazilians I know, out "fishing" for a gringo (any gringo) who will sweep her away from the favela? Does she intend to live in Brazil or does she want to flee Brazil?
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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 00:23
I’m split between the considerations that this is either spam or the latest incarnation of Eliza Doolittle and Professor Henry Higgins. “But we have not been able to spend much time together...”  “I’m still so amazed that she would love me so dearly having just met me for few days...”  True magical love???! “...I am making a huge decision about my life betting everything on this one card.” Wow! What could that huge decision entail? Divorce the wife; leave the kids while giving up a fine career as a promising brain surgeon? Taking on another man’s child while living on rice & beans in a favela? Yeah, go for it Cinderella man! On second thoughts it’s spam; at least I hope it is and not think the guy a complete idiot
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Quote charlote Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 00:54
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Quote Squiddie Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 02:39
Hi Guys, thanks for your replies. Sorry I didn't make myself understood. I don't look for you to fortell my future. I don't need to be 100% safe. I have retained the help of a professional to figure out the mess in myself. And I don't need to be told I am an idiot. I just wanted to know of some real life stories that show me some examples of what could happen. For example, if people were saying that such a thing can never work and has never worked, or if some say they had seen it happen where it worked beautifully. That's what I like to hear. Also, I'd like to learn from the failures, i.e., someone saying "I should have paid more attention to ..." "I could have seen this coming" etc. I'd really appreciate it.

I know the story of her life and I believe that it's true. So there is no secret there. She has not been gringo-fishing. I just need to figure out how likely it is that I am loved for what I represent rather than who I am. And I may not even care as long as I'm not just used. This is also not just an Internet affair. She is not out for citizenship, for sure. She would prefer staying in Brazil.

I really think she is 100% genuine. But still I know that intercultural marriages can become difficult. And if the background is very different, some unknown glitch could come up that would break the whole good spirit.


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Quote Dom Pedro Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 02:55
Squiddie, I´d rather think about social differences than cultural differences. Middle-class university background is same all over the world, with some national flavour. However "Pretty Girl" style marriages are mostly doomed. Once the initial passion is over (and it will be over), what will you talk about if you have nothing in common? Same is valid for the girls. If a university graduate marries a truck driver, would you believe in "happily ever after"? Imagine yourself with this girl 10 years from now. Do you think it would work? You have to ask these questions yourself, not others.
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Quote globetrotter Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2010 at 03:58
Originally posted by Dom Pedro

Squiddie, I´d rather think about social differences than cultural differences. Middle-class university background is same all over the world, with some national flavour. However "Pretty Girl" style marriages are mostly doomed. Once the initial passion is over (and it will be over), what will you talk about if you have nothing in common? Same is valid for the girls. If a university graduate marries a truck driver, would you believe in "happily ever after"? Imagine yourself with this girl 10 years from now. Do you think it would work? You have to ask these questions yourself, not others.
 
I would agree that "pretty girl" marriages are mostly doomed if that's all they are - if the girl will be a kind of trophy wife.
 
However, if you want to help her self-development (e.g. support her going to faculdade - I'm not just talking financially here) then you will help her become more self-confident and the gap will reduce.
 
There needs to be something more profound to the relationship than just having a hot babe on yourarm.
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