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Quote cariocaguy Replybullet Posted: 08 March 2006 at 22:54
I don't think in general the Army is corrupted but most people think the Military Police in Rio are pretty mcuh so.  I know in Rocinha the Police overlook about everything and the drug lords leave them alone for the most part.  It is the Civil Police or the Military Police shock troops who they will not let enter the favela.
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Quote jamesdumar Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 03:33
Where drugs are legal and controlled they are cheap thus no drug lords or corruption. no black market.
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Quote finance Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 11:24
Cheap drugs, readily available everywhere...

Hummm... That sounds REALLY apealling to all moms and dads out there, trying to keep the household a drug-free environment...
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Quote zecapagodinho Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 12:26

Originally posted by jamesdumar

Where drugs are legal and controlled they are cheap thus no drug lords or corruption. no black market.

There is alot of truth in this statement. However, tradionalists and "god botherers" have not and never would agree yet no one seems to have a solution that works.

Humans will always have their addictions whether it be money, food, drugs etc. All forms of addictions are bad!

Control it and tax it to the hilt I say, although in Brasil's case, I'm not sure it would be of any benefit as the corrupt culture will find a way and the black market will continue!

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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 12:30
Yep, that's one of the main problems.
 
Overtax and people won't buy from legitimate sources.
 
Also you can't legalise all drugs as some are simply too destructive.
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Quote finance Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 12:41
No legal drugs! Instead, more law enforcement.

More prison and community service for the dealers and the repeat offenders,
More free rehab opportunities for the addicted
More education and assistance for kids, keeping them from joining the ranks early.

Easier said than done, but that's my take
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Quote Bill Brown Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 15:38

Just read the article that the general reaction to the troops being deployed in Rio is favorable with a dramatic drop in crime.  If accurate, that is good to hear.  I am generally uncomfortable with the military being deployed domestically for law enforcement purposes in any country.  Apparently, attitudes have changed since the days of the dictatorship in Brasil.

Brasilian Troops Reduce Crime in Occupied Favelas (click here)

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Quote finance Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 16:33
I don't think people are concerned that the military will eventually takeover the governement. Instead, they are glad that the military is staying put to promote some piece.

Sure, it's the military but, some law is better than no law...
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Quote Macunaima Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 17:45

The problem has historically been the military's fear that their troops will get dragged into the general corruption if they were to occupy the favelas.

Also, face reality folks: there is no such animal as "paralel power" here. Everytime the Brazilian army has decided to occupy a favela, they've done it quickly and competently and with relatively few deaths. They are not undergunned and do not need more equipment or training for this mission. The firepower of the drug gangs here in town is HIGHLY over-rated when compared to that which the army controls.

So why don't they just occupy the favelas all the time, you ask? Because what are they going to DO there? The Brazilian state simply can't afford to include the favelas into the general urban network. Folks ther pay too little taxes to fund the necessary infrastructure. Keeping troops in the field COSTS and who, exactly, is going to pay those costs?

This is why the Brazilian state CHOOSES to ignore the favelas unless something outrageous occurs. They have not been "pushed out" by the drug dealers, they've turned their backs and walked away.

I suggest that anyone who's interested in a decent view of favela life and politics read "Abusado" by Caco Barcellos, rather than the sensationalist ans wildly innaccurate Globo, or the foreign newspapers that use Globo as a primary source.

 

Brazil is the country of the future and always will be.
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Quote finance Replybullet Posted: 09 March 2006 at 19:04
You know, there is a school of thought in brazil that says: Heck, let the military permanently patrol the favelas, if the police force is inneficient and unequipped.
Does it really make sense to make service mandatory for millions of 18 year old Brazilians only to let those people run in circles and paint the quartel 10 times a year?!?
Why not create a type of brigade and deploy them where is needed, with the proper trainning and artillery? If that happens, maybe less people will die carbonized inside buses and less people will be robbed and mugged inside tunnels in broad daylight.
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