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Quote colin Replybullet Topic: Brazil or Thailand?
    Posted: 14 January 2006 at 09:56

I'm very interested in moving to Thailand or Brazil sometime next year but am still undecided over which co0untry to visit/move to?


My situation is that I'm british but currently live in Dublin with my current g/f & with the expense of everything over here & being self-employed (so not on a very high wage) here,or the UK, is not somewhere I want to stay for much longer.

The cost of everything means I'm living hand to mouth at the moment & it's putting some serious stress on my head.Sometimes I feel like I'm just gonna lose it & thats not good.

So I've decided to move abroad & live somewhere far cheaper where my wages will have me living like a king & will hopefully eleveate all this stress on me & have me happy & healthy again.

Before you say the wages r crap in SE Asia and Brazil,I'm a recording artist so once I bring my apple mac & a few bits & bobs I can still make music & dj in nearby countries aswell & make a good living from my overseas sales & publishing.

Infact I've dj'd a few times out in Brazil,last time was out in Sao Paolo although that was about 6yrs ago.

I've been reading a few sites about cost of living & just how beautiful Thailand and Brazil is,not to mention the sex trade,crime & drunken tourists which seems to plague both countries unfortunately but thats only in certain parts & you have to take the good with the bad I guess.


The only thing I'd say is I was borned & raised in London so I dont want to move to another overcrowded,dirty city so Bangkok or Sao Paolo is out of the question!

It seems very expensive & very crowded & no-one I know who's been there has had a good word to say about either place.I'd prefer somewhere a lot more relaxed but still bustling with leisure options & possible activities to keep my interest when I'm not working and far more cheaper.

Plus I have to keep in mind getting to embassies,hospitals,visa runs,travel etc.... so the place has to be fairly developed ,just nowhere near as much as Bangkok or Sao Paolo.

Any help or ideas or links guys would be very much appreciated.

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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 10:38
I would say that wages in Brazil can also end up being very much hand to mouth, unless you get posted by a multinational. But you seem to have some idea of how much you can earn here, at least in Brazil. If you're sure on that then that's a start.
 
The problem with Brazilian cities is they tend to be a bit all or nothing, with Rio and SP being the all. I've lived in SP and I don't have only bad things to say about it. Although there is a lot of poverty and pollution, there is also quite a lot to do here, a lot of culture and music etc. It tends to be a bit of a double edged sword.
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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 10:44
Just to add, if you're after trying to avoid cities and want beaches and better weather, then somewhere in the north east is probably a place to go. There are some cities there, although nothing like Rio or SP in size. I'm not that knowledgable about the states there, but others here can help I'm sure. The cities there are pretty easy to pick off a map, although it may depend on where you can find work.
 
I'm not sure if any embassies or consulates are located in these areas. I know that Rio, SP and Brasilia have them.
 
Also bear in mind your Visa status. You are EXTREMELY unlikely to get a work Visa here, and can only stay for 6 months per calendar year on a tourist Visa. There is a huge grey market for work though (essentially cash in hand) due to the high business/employee tax. There is also very high unemployment here, and finding work is also EXTREMELY difficult. Again though, I don't know your field, and you seem to have a handle on this.
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Quote colin Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 12:00

the main thing for me is I dont have to work in these countries,I make enough to live off my recording royalties so I won't be applying for a work visa in any of the countries.

I've heard alot of good things about the NE & do like what I hear a lot,the beaches,weather,ladies,cost of living etc...but looking for real estate online isn't easy as some the local estate agents may not have websites setup.

Another thing about the visa in Brazil,can you leave the country for a day & get your visa renewed for another 6months?

A lot of guys do this in Thailand every 3/6months & thats how they get around the system. Is that possible out in Brasil?

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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 16:18
Some folks say they have done this with the Visa, stayed the full 6 months, then gone to a closeby country and come back.
 
I asked this question directly of the Federal Police here in SP and they said it wasn't possible. The letter of the law is you can only stay 6 months per calendar year. To do this you must also extend your tourist Visa from the normal 3 months with an extra 3 months at the Federal Police. You will need to fulfill various criteria to be able to do this also, like have a Brazilian person that will vouch for you (their name and address are required on the form).
 
I've noticed that the Federal Police at passport control vary in how closely they scrutinise the passports, so maybe these folks who go to another country simply aren't being spotted.
 
I overstayed my tourist Visa by around 8 months, and incurred the fine. I don't remember the details, but it's a few Reais per day, which hits a certain maximum point. It was several hundred Reais from what I remember, but I needed to stay here and couldn't get any form of Permanent Visa at the time. The Federal Police were quite laid back when I paid it at Guarulhos airport, although it took a couple of hours of faffing around to resolve. I had my Brazilian wife with me at the time, so it was made pretty easy.
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Quote maddog Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 17:40

Regarding the tourist visa I had stayed for 6 months then went to Argentina and Chile then came back. Even when I got my passport and entry card stolen and had to go to the federal police they were not concened that I had been in Brazil for more than 6 months this year.

My 3 month visa is about to expire again and I asked the federal police if I could have an extension. Then said no and advised to go and come back. When I asked about only being here in 6 months in any 12 twelve they said it was the law, you could be refused entry to the country depending on who was on the passport control, but they have never heard of it happening.

I think they are happy for you to spend your money here and leaving the country and returning is an indication that you have money to spend. OK I will change my mind next month when I get refused entry

Russell, regarding the fine, I would be 'happy' to be several hundred Reais to stay a long time here. It is going to cost me several hundred Reais to leave and return anyway. I would like to know if it caused any problems when you returned to the country, or did you return having a permanent visa ?

 

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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 17:56
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My 3 month visa is about to expire again and I asked the federal police if I could have an extension. Then said no and advised to go and come back. When I asked about only being here in 6 months in any 12 twelve they said it was the law, you could be refused entry to the country depending on who was on the passport control, but they have never heard of it happening.
 
Haha! That's the thing, the guys on passport control always look half asleep and never check my passport properly. Even after I went to all the effort of getting a Permanency Visa they just gave a quick look and didn't even notice it.
 
Curiously the Federal Police here in SP aren't so forthcoming. They have not made any mention of folks being lucky and just getting back in, and they are emphatic that you musn't stay beyond the tourist visa expiry.
 
The only time passport control did check my passport properly was when I left the country, with two weeks remaining on my Tourist Visa. He said to me in English that I was sensible to leave while my Tourist Visa was still valid.
 
The problem is I can't afford to mess around and get refused entry, as I have to come into the country with my wife and can't afford the flight home! Plus I am trying to find a good quality full time job here, so wanted to get the Permanency Visa resolved.
 
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Russell, regarding the fine, I would be 'happy' to be several hundred Reais to stay a long time here. It is going to cost me several hundred Reais to leave and return anyway.
 
Absolutely, at the time I wanted to stay here with my then girlfriend. So leaving was a major problem. The fine was the only option.
 
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I would like to know if it caused any problems when you returned to the country, or did you return having a permanent visa ?
 
I came back with the Permanency Visa. I returned to the UK to get it (it's so much quicker!), paying the fine on the way home. The Federal Police guy was actually quite nonchalant about it, and said I only needed to pay it if I wanted to return. He said most tourists overstay their Visa just on a very extended holiday, or while backpacking, and never return. So it's a non-issue.
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Quote maddog Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 18:11

Colin,

Brazil is a great place to be.

Not sure it will get rid of your stress, lol, just a different type of stress . It is certainly much cheaper than Europe especially accomodation both to rent or buy. The North East is much cheaper and much poorer area. It has some big towns like Natal, which seems like it has reasonable infrastucture but i have only visited it and not lived there, which is always a BIG difference.

Many things here are more expensive or the same in Europe so don't expect everything to be cheaper. Your  computer/ music eqipment would be more expensive.

Captain Bill on this site has a wealth of information on the North East and I believe his wife is in real estate so look him up, he is very helpful. Thomson have recently introduced holidays and charter flights to  Natal, which are much cheaper and less flying time then to Sao Paulo. ( I think just UK winter time)

Florianopolis  in the south (population 320, 000) is meant to be a place that has a city infrastructure and beautiful beaches, although I have never been.

In many ways Brazil is modern but it is still maybe 30 years behind europe  in some respects and having to deal with goverment officials is very slow.

Bring plently of suncream, tea and an open mind and you will have a great time.

There are many articles on here of people praising and hating Brazil. It depends on your attitude but many love it here.

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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 18:22
Originally posted by maddog

Many things here are more expensive or the same in Europe so don't expect everything to be cheaper. Your  computer/ music eqipment would be more expensive.
 
It's mostly electronics that are more expensive, thanks to a nonsense import tax that's designed to stimulate Brazil's virtually non-existent electronic industry.
 
Of course relatively speaking other imported goods seem expenive, but they are often the same or cheaper than elsewhere.
 
Originally posted by maddog

Thomson have recently introduced holidays and charter flights to  Natal, which are much cheaper and less flying time then to Sao Paulo.
 
Good point. Thomson's flights were rumoured to be £200 return, a third of BA's cost to Sao Paulo.
 
Originally posted by maddog

There are many articles on here of people praising and hating Brazil. It depends on your attitude but many love it here.
 
Ditto to that. Brazil's much like any other country with pros and cons.
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Quote colin Replybullet Posted: 14 January 2006 at 19:49

Cheers for that.

 

I have been there briefly before & know I would love to live there I just have to get over the fear of moving somewhere 'foreign' & new to me but I know once settled I'd love it.

I've heard someone mention that you can appl y for a permanent resident visa if you have 50k US Dollars to invest,is that still available?

 

I'm not loaded or anything like that but if Brazil was for me & I could get a permanent visa somehow then that could solve ALOT of any future hassles & of course I could raise a family there in later years.

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