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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:13
here's the cities that comprise the metropolitan area of sao paulo and their population:

Município Área
territorial (km²)[3]		 População
(2008) [1][2]		 PIB (2005) [5] IDH-M (2000)[4][10]
Arujá 97 78.960 934.992.000 0,788
médio
Barueri 64 264.619 22.430.475.000 0,826
elevado
Biritiba-Mirim 317 29.208 164.634.000 0,750
médio
Caieiras 96 86.698 1.040.734.000 0,813
elevado
Cajamar 128 62.522 1.915.590.000 0,786
médio
Carapicuíba 35 388.532 1.915.285.000 0,793
médio
Cotia 324 179.109 3.472.181.000 0,826
elevado
Diadema 31 394.266 7.344.570.000 0,790
médio
Embu 70 245.093 1.834.260.000 0,772
médio
Embu-Guaçu 155 61.701 366.844.000 0,811
elevado
Ferraz de Vasconcelos 30 175.939 793.081.000 0,772
médio
Francisco Morato 49 155.224 512.822.000 0,772
médio
Franco da Rocha 134 129.304 1.186.777.000 0,778
médio
Guararema 271 26.523 364.164.000 0,798
médio
Guarulhos 318 1.279.202 21.615.314.000 0,798
médio
Itapevi 91 201.995 1.809.328.000 0,759
médio
Itapecerica da Serra 151 159.102 1.925.151.000 0,783
médio
Itaquaquecetuba 82 351.493 1.733.662.000 0,744
médio
Jandira 18 110.325 1.091.263.000 0,801
elevado
Juquitiba 522 29.090 176.268.000 0,754
médio
Mairiporã 321 77.443 606.428.000 0,803
elevado
Mauá 62 412.753 4.861.255.000 0,781
médio
Mogi das Cruzes 714 371.372 4.425.513.000 0,801
elevado
Osasco 65 713.066 18.310.452.000 0,818
elevado
Pirapora do Bom Jesus 108 15.410 110.396.000 0,767
médio
Poá 17 111.016 1.459.161.000 0,806
elevado
Ribeirão Pires 99 111.402 1.141.011.000 0,807
elevado
Rio Grande da Serra 37 41.215 239.390.000 0,764
médio
Salesópolis 426 15.897 137.580.000 0,748
médio
Santa Isabel 361 46.645 359.216.000 0,766
médio
Santana de Parnaíba 184 110.730 2.245.994.000 0,853
elevado
Santo André 175 671.696 11.426.975.000 0,835
elevado
São Bernardo do Campo 406 801.580 19.446.018.000 0,834
elevado
São Caetano do Sul 15 151.103 8.003.490.000 0,919
elevado
São Lourenço da Serra 187 17.763 120.750.000 0,771
médio
São Paulo 1.523 10.990.249 263.177.148.000 0,841
elevado
Suzano 206 279.394 4.289.553.000 0,775
médio
Taboão da Serra 20 224.757 3.089.793.000 0,809
elevado
Vargem Grande Paulista 34 43.664 421.724.000 0,802
elevado
Total 7.943 19.616.060 416.499.242.000 0,828
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Quote Errol Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:14
Wikipedia is often a very untrustfull source.  I dont know about this info but will not be surprised if its not correct.
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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:18
Originally posted by davidiko

If most people wouldn’t recommend São Paulo, is there anywhere they would suggest?! Really, I only know three north-eastern states.
As much as seeking opinions is a good idea, I would again recommend that you visit anywhere you're considering living.

There are gringos and Brazilians alike that both love and hate SP, it's simply down to personal taste. I'm sure the same is the case with anywhere in the world.
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Quote noodle456 Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:27
Yes I was referring to Greater Sao Paulo, that is why i referred to a population of 20 000 000.

Yes, Sampa has various types of Police:

DEIC - Departamento de Investigações sobre o Crime Organizado
DENARC - Departamento de Investigações sobre Narcóticos
DHPP - Departamento de Homicídios e de Proteção à Pessoa
Órgãos de Execução de Polícia Territorial
DEINTER - Departamento de Polícia Judiciária de São Paulo Interior
DEMACRO - Departamento de Polícia Judiciária da Macro São Paulo
DECAP - Departamento de Polícia Judiciária da Capital

to mention a few Civil Police forces

BOPE is a division of the Policia Militar in Rio, to my knowledge the PM of Sampa does not have an equivalent.

As not to stray off topic, the OP asked who is happy in SP, and I am, therefore I was backing my claims with my opinions.


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Quote carlos7767 Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:39
What is Mauá like on your list? Has anyone been there, because i might go there in the summer?
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:42
Originally posted by noodle456



BOPE is a division of the Policia Militar in Rio, to my knowledge the PM of Sampa does not have an equivalent.

As not to stray off topic, the OP asked who is happy in SP, and I am, therefore I was backing my claims with my opinions.




Not the PM, but Policia Civil:

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupo_de_Opera%C3%A7%C3%B5es_Especiais_(S%C3%A3o_Paulo)

The PM does not have one because of the VERY BAD IMAGE it has with the criminals in São Paulo due to the Carandiru massacre in 1992 which resulted in the Foundation of the PCC.  Confused Policia Civil have a slightly better image. Here in Rio we have 2, BOPE and CORE (policia civil).
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Quote Juninho Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:46
Originally posted by davidiko

Thanks for the feedback. It has been an extremely helpful reality check.

I am in Brazil for relationship reasons. I promised to live here for two years, but after seven months in Fortaleza my brain cells are dying. The original plan was to open a branch of my company here, but I am not comfortable with Cearense business ethics.

If most people wouldn’t recommend São Paulo, is there anywhere they would suggest?! Really, I only know three north-eastern states.
 
You asked the right question.  What's your business?  Depending on the answer to this one will depend the answer to where to live.  SP has great nightlife and restaurants, is pretty much the only place for 90% of gringoes to work (Rio has some jobs, and tecchies can work from home anywhere, as can English teachers eeking out an existence).  It is a lot of fun, but can get oppressive, so best to go to the beach or mountains at weekends.  The pollution is bad, as is the traffic, though both of these problems can be mitigated depending on where in SP you live and work.  Your missus may well not want to stray too far from the nest.  Fortaleza is nearer Miami than SP! (I think)Ermm
 
As for the business ethics - they're all corrupt in Brazil!  LOL
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Quote brazileirinha Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:54
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Ya fly to Rio, its paradise, thats why its the second most dangerous city in the world next to Johannesburg (South Africa), go for a walk on the beach as a gringo end up in Intensive Care( That happened last week), have so much crime in the favela's that they create a special police force just to combat the violent crime in them!
 
  yep.you're right!
 
Rio de janeiro does not have the only Copacabana.Other cities are Duque de caxias, Nova Iguacu,Rocinha,Cidade de Deus,Queimados and many more..cities.
 
in my opinion, Sao Paulo? glamorous and sophisticated districts such as Brooklin,Morumbi,Jardins,Avenue Paulista,Berrine,Ibirapuera Park..
 
welcome to Sao Paulo(tour)
http://www.saopaulo.sp.gov.br/ingles/saopaulo/turismo/cap_ptos.htm
 
 
and by the way..Sao Paulo has excellent beaches,here one called "ilha bela", situated 4 miles off the coast of SP state.
http://www.ilhabela.com.br/
 
That's all. As I mentioned above (in my opinion..)and I respect all of your opinions.Anyway..I love my Brazil,I love Sao Paulo,I love Rio grande do Norte(state of Brazil, north eastern ) as well.
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 13:58
Originally posted by brazileirinha

 
Rio de janeiro does not have the only Copacabana.Other cities are Duque de caxias, Nova Iguacu,Rocinha,Cidade de Deus,Queimados and many more..cities.
 


HAM ???

Rio de Janeiro does not have the only copacabana ?? Who has the other ???

Since when are Rocinha and Cidade de Deus cities ??? I must have been real drunk during the last elections since I can't remember either electing a mayor Confused
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Quote Errol Replybullet Posted: 27 January 2009 at 14:02
Originally posted by sven

Originally posted by brazileirinha

 
Rio de janeiro does not have the only Copacabana.Other cities are Duque de caxias, Nova Iguacu,Rocinha,Cidade de Deus,Queimados and many more..cities.
 


HAM ???

Rio de Janeiro does not have the only copacabana ?? Who has the other ???

Since when are Rocinha and Cidade de Deus cities ??? I must have been real drunk during the last elections since I can't remember either electing a mayor Confused
 
There is always competition between Rio and SP right brazileirinha?LOL
 
Like we have in Holland with Amsterdam and Rotterdam.
We in Amsterdam always say "the best thing in Rotterdam is the train to Amsterdam"LOL.
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