Originally posted by 1MAVHERE * she has been her a year and a half illegally she has no passport she says she ripped it up in france because she tried to come here first a few years ago and had her passport stamped or somthing because for some reason she said that the immigration guys knew she werent here for a holiday and she had about 2 grand on her thats why they didnt let her in  i dont beleive this could somone explain why immigration would not let you in to britain

Immigration wouldn't let her in if they thought she was going to stay illegally, it seems they were right on this one.

Not sure why (or how??) she ripped up her passport, sounds more like she might have sold it. Anyway she should be able to get a replacement passport from the Brazilian embassy in London, regardless of her legal status.

Originally posted by 1MAVHERE *number 2 she ended up getting here on her 2cnd attempt by euro tunnel with no papers how is that possible..since her stay here she has managed to get a bank account and a national insurance number under a fake name . we get into arguments about her job because she works as a stripper and she  wants to marry me which seems a little quick..but i say to her that she needs to change certain things about her life if we marry for instance job .......but she says she cant do any other job because she will get caught even though she is getting paid to her account and her national insurance is for show but it dosnt exist.

The Euro star thing is possible, especially if she was in the back of a van at the time. I don't know the exact number but there are thousands of illegal immigrants coming to the UK every month and most of them come either on Euro star or a Ferry.

Out of interest which strip club does she work at?

Originally posted by 1MAVHERE i hear alot of brazilian just marry for citizenship from brazilian people i love her with all my heart but i dont wanna be taken for a ride.

This isn't a uniquely Brazilian thing, in fact Eastern European countries have websites where you can literally buy your bride - the price is usually a few thousand quid (of which the bride sees nothing) and guaranteed citizenship.

Originally posted by 1MAVHERE she says last option is for me to live with her in brazil how hard is this for a gringo like myself.

Tough one to call, but if your level of written English in this post is anything to go by then i'd say hard.

Originally posted by 1MAVHERE and in lamen terms what is the process of getting married to somone in this situation

It depends on which country, in the UK you just need to go to a registry office (or church LOL!) and book a date and time and then turn up and sign a few forms.

In Brazil it's a similar process but with 10 times more forms, if you get to that stage check the threads on this forum that address marriage in Brazil.

Originally posted by 1MAVHERE what sought of questions i should ask her

Questions i'd ask her:

1.) Is she really serious about marriage or is she just looking for an easy visa? She might be straight up with you on this, and perhaps there are benefits for you with her just wanting to get married for a visa (don't forget that you'd get a Brazilian visa and Brazil is a cool place to live!)

2.) Does she provide professional discount to gringoes.com members?

1MAVHERE: Post deleted. First and last warning not to swear.

HOW CAN YOU BE SO NAIVE???? GET RID OF HER!!!

Sorry 1MAVHERE but I take it from your post that English is not your first language so where are you from ?? 

You say "and in lamen terms what is the process of getting married to somone in this situation 

what sought of questions i should ask her"

Well call me old fashioned but I'd start with "Will you Marry Me??" 

In addition to the good advice already given here, I'll add that destroying a passport will be regarded by immigration as suspicious.  "Losing" it is equally regarded as suspicious, because they assume it's been destroyed to hide comments put in there by immigration officials.

On the visa application form (at least the last one I saw, although it changes all the time) one has to declare all previous passports, including "lost" ones.  Lying (if they find out) will decrease the chance of getting a visa.

Fake ID is also frowned upon and will also decrease chances of getting a visa.

As m_o_l says, overstaying in itself doesn't mean one can't get a spouse settlement visa - however, the above factors will count heavily against it, in addition to the ones he mentioned.

Marriage to a UK citizen DOES NOT automatically give the right to live in the UK.  It might well mean that you have to live in Brazil.

If you have any doubts about her motives (and it looks like you do), don't do it!  Especially not in a hurry.  She would have to return to Brazil (or possibly another country?) in any case to make her visa application.

Think about the following scenario:

You and she get married.
You sponsor her for a visa.
The visa is denied.
You go to Brazil but the relationship breaks up.
You then fall in love with another foreigner (in UK or abroad) and this time "it's for real".
You try to sponsor that person for a visa to UK.
Immigration consider your previous failed sponsorship ... hmmm, looks bad... could count against you...

Maybe I'm being over-pessimistic and I'm giving you a worst-case scenario, but it's worth thinking about.

My final advice is, if you're considering it, go and see a good solicitor before you make up your mind.






Edited by Hilary - 19 October 2008 at 07:03