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Quote heessuh Replybullet Topic: Loan from foreign bank for Brazilian real estate
    Posted: 11 May 2008 at 12:43
If you're an ex-pat with a Brazilian permanent residency, is there a way to get a loan from an American bank for a real estate purchase in Brazil?

Has anyone done this?
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Quote ToVoltando Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2008 at 18:07
I haven't checked with any American banks but I did check with a Danish one and I imagine the principle would be the same.  They basically said that the property would be inpossible for them to secure and therefore could not offer a traditional property loan but you would rather have to take some kind of personal loan out in order to do that which would, of course, make the interest rate higher and limit the amount greatly.

The best option but a second morgage would be the best bet loan wise (I think).

I am just going to try and save up because the Brazilian loans are absolutely crazy!!!
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Quote JediKnight Replybullet Posted: 05 June 2008 at 18:25
The time honered quesition, tovoltando is right. In my line of work, where ever i am in the world expats ask if they can get a loan to buy a house/apartment. They make good money, but dont have a banking record in that country and/or interest rates are way to high. I have NEVER come across a western bank who is willing to lead money to a person who wishes to buy a house in a developing nation or where ever.The only way to get the cash is to take a loan in your home country i.e. second mortgage, and if you are lucky enough to be able to get a second mortgage do not tell the bank you wish to use the money  to a house overseas as it could create untold problems. Just say you need the money for home improvements etc, also do not even tell your bank that you no longer live in the country, again this will create untld problems.
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Quote tamashin Replybullet Posted: 05 June 2008 at 19:25
ErmmHmm, the words "fraud" and obtaining money by deception" came to mind. Not sure why. Ermm

Edited by tamashin - 05 June 2008 at 19:26
Sincerely meant in the nicest possible way.


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Quote MovingSoon Replybullet Posted: 05 June 2008 at 22:43
If you are taking an equity line of credit out or a second mortgage (whatever you want to call it), they don't care what you spend the funds on.  You are borrowing on property you already own, they have appraised, and have a secured interest in.
 
You own what you are getting the loan on, and you both agree you will make payments or they take the secured property.  If they loaned you the money they had to see that you had the income to pay it back.  They don't give a squat where you are making the money, where you live, or what you spend it on.
 
What would be the difference whether you spent the money on a property in another country, a car, gambled it away, or spent it on hookers!?!?!
 
I disagree that it would be fraud or deception...
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Quote tamashin Replybullet Posted: 05 June 2008 at 23:30
Hello movingsoon (and wishing you the very best when you do) I seem to remember a line that says something to the effect that the agreement is only enforcable under English Law and thereby only legal under English Law. There are several lines I could follow on this point alone but at the end of the day I am not that worried about it.
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Edited by tamashin - 05 June 2008 at 23:32
Sincerely meant in the nicest possible way.


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Quote ben2323 Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 09:27
I don't know if you have HSBC in the US, but in the UK if you have a premium account with them and have a good record with them with this account they say they will arrange this for you worldwide. As they have HSBC in Brazil i'd imagine they would try and sort this out for you, depending on circumstances, but i've not tried it myself so couldn't give you any clues on whether they will actually do this or not.
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Quote MovingSoon Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 09:47
I tried for six months to find an international lender to buy some property in Brazil and found it impossible...the ones that say they do have way to many hoops to jump through and make it impossible...
 
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Quote JediKnight Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 15:36

To open a offshore Premier HSBC account in an offshore zone such as jersey you need to be working for a large international company that HSBC as a relationship with, such as Schlumberger for example, or open the account with a min of £50k GBP, and have at least 3 months banking records showing a regular income. Then you may qualify for a local mortgage in Brasil (typically and 3 and a half times provable income, up to 5 times income with a 10-20% deposit, however, this will be a R$ loan pegged to local interest rates.

 

As for tamashin comments about fraud etc, he is technically  correct however one has to consider a banks lending criteria, and when applying for a loan/second mortgage certain key words will trigger a Red flag i.e Certain business venture/Overseas etc. This could and sometimes DOES apply to second mortgages as well. Especially given the current global credit issues that are at the forefront more now than say a year ago.

 

I personally think we expats can have a bit of a raw deal when it comes to accessing credit markets and wish there was more out there for us.

 

 

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Quote ToVoltando Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2008 at 18:54
Originally posted by MovingSoon

...have a secured interest in.
 


Secured interest, in the US market right now?!!
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