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    Posted: 15 November 2007 at 02:25
What would you guys have to say about this?
I have read some of Tamashin's article so I would like his advice as well Smile.
Keep in mind that I'm a blonde and have blue eyes, the gringa look I guess, but I am fluent...anyways just wanna know if this something to not do, or what precautions to take and stuff..
I've worked in two very small favelas before and had no problem, but that was in Minas...this one would be in Rio.. I wouldn't be alone, I would be with a group.
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Quote ToVoltando Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 03:58
I have a very good friend who started mission work in the biggest favela in Rio and he had numerous stories about crazy stuff but he said in the end that he had a lot of favor with the people who ran the place so he had no problem, although they didn't mess with him but they still messed with each other so he had to be very aware of his surroundings (there was a gun fight by him one time and he had to hit the floor as bullets flew above him.  Yes a favela is dangerous but if you are with a group who has connections I think you would be ok. He since moved on but they are still there floureshing.
 
Even though the favelas are dangerous compared to the rest of Brazil, I think the days of "Cidade de Deus" are over, bad things happen but it's probably not as prominent. (But I'm not an expert or anything hehe)
 
Just one word of advice though, nao atirando na favela! (Carioca humor)
 
and while you're there you should pick up some good funk music "To favelado, aflicionado..." LOL
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Quote tamashin Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 07:47
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I have a very good friend who started mission work in the biggest favela in Rio and he had numerous stories about crazy stuff but he said in the end that he had a lot of favor with the people who ran the place so he had no problem, although they didn't mess with him but they still messed with each other so he had to be very aware of his surroundings (there was a gun fight by him one time and he had to hit the floor as bullets flew above him.  Yes a favela is dangerous but if you are with a group who has connections I think you would be ok. He since moved on but they are still there floureshing.
 
Even though the favelas are dangerous compared to the rest of Brazil, I think the days of "Cidade de Deus" are over, bad things happen but it's probably not as prominent. (But I'm not an expert or anything hehe)
 
Just one word of advice though, nao atirando na favela! (Carioca humor)
 
and while you're there you should pick up some good funk music "To favelado, aflicionado..." LOL
 
Well done, you have summed it up very well. Please read a similar post from a few weeks ago as Sven makes some good observations.
When I first went to the favela in Northern Rio, it was with a group of people from Switzerland, Italy, Germany and of course yours truly.
I spoke no Portuguese and German (not English) was the common language between us. I used a phrase book to get by and as is my nature, I intergrated very well with the people. In fact the phrase book was the key to getting by as many people wanted to know the English equivalent of what I was trying to say in Portuguese. I made friends for life.
However, it was difficult living there. Suspect hygiene routines made eating and drinking hazardous. Personal safety is your responsibility not theirs. In fact you draw attention to their home when you are living there.
Which ever way you look at it you are a foreigner and you must be rich and have something worth taking. Thats what puts the family at risk with you being there. I stayed at the priests house as his guest. However, a lot of things go on regardless of you being there and being caught in the cross fire of some dispute is no fun.
I have many stories so the following two wont go amiss.
 
I had been invited to a 15 birthday party in our street. The proud father was dishing out the beer and food and welcomed me like a long lost brother. all was going well,  music too loud so they turned it up even louder till the speakers popped. After several hours of trying to copy the local dance and trying to master a language while downing caipirinha and brama for the first time, it was time to go. Jet lag was taking its toll too as was the Rio heat.
As I was leaving the party I met two surly looking gentlemen. They were looking for the fathers brother (such as I could assume from my command of the language) They were sucked into the crowd and I made my way home. No sooner had I reached the gate, shots were fired.
It turned out that they were there to settle a score with the brother but he wasnt there and rather than waste the trip the two men fired indisciminately into the crowd.
 
I was staying at the lower end of the favela away from the hill. One particular evening I had decided to stay in rather than go up to the church compound. I was suffering from a combination of heat stroke and jelly belly and sweating profusely. I couldnt really move very far. All of a sudden there was chaos. The housekeeper was running around screaming as were the children. Outside the high walled house someone was taking a terrible beating. I was terrified by the noise of what sounded like soggy timber being hacked up. In my heart I knew what was happening but was so weak and frightened, I didnt want to look out the window. Then I heard the front gate being pushed open, I thought "O God" and I thought my time was coming. The women and children were still shouting , incongruosly the churches around the favela were still shouting out their message to the faithful and not so faithful and closer to home I could hear footsteps running up the concrete steps to my room on the first floor. You will never know the sense of hopelessness I felt on that bed.
The metal screen door burst open and in rushed the priest with a helper. They picked me up and took me to a neighbouring village. Outside the house we crossed a line of dismembered body parts stretched across the road. The parts were from young drug dealers who had tried to encroach into someone elses area. The line of body parts was a demarcation line. As a further indignity, the genitals had been removed. The next few days were horrendous as gangs fought it out with each other.
 
So why did I go back. Another post maybe, just be careful. If your hosts say dont go to a certain area, then dont go. If you are asked to explain your presence there, do so and as often as is necessary. It would be too simple to say use your common sense.
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 09:11
Heidi, which favela would that be. The city of Rio has 698 Favelas according to city hall.

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What makes you think that the times of "Cidade de Deus" are over???
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Quote tamashin Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:42
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What makes you think that the times of "Cidade de Deus" are over???
 
Crossed my mind too!
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Quote ToVoltando Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:53
Sorry the "I think.." part is because it's based upon what my brazilian friends from there said, they said that stuff still went on but it wasn't on as big as a scale or as much as cidade de deus.
 
Make sure to note that I've never been there so this is all "I think" stuff Wink
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 12:07
Originally posted by ToVoltando

Sorry the "I think.." part is because it's based upon what my brazilian friends from there said, they said that stuff still went on but it wasn't on as big as a scale or as much as cidade de deus.
 
Make sure to note that I've never been there so this is all "I think" stuff Wink


Cidade de Deus is a Movie about something that happened. We see that kind of movies (actually it´s more like a reality show) each day on TV here.  They are called "news", all of them.


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Quote Heidi Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 12:29
Originally posted by tamashin

Originally posted by ToVoltando

I have a very good friend who started mission work in the biggest favela in Rio and he had numerous stories about crazy stuff but he said in the end that he had a lot of favor with the people who ran the place so he had no problem, although they didn't mess with him but they still messed with each other so he had to be very aware of his surroundings (there was a gun fight by him one time and he had to hit the floor as bullets flew above him.  Yes a favela is dangerous but if you are with a group who has connections I think you would be ok. He since moved on but they are still there floureshing.
 
Even though the favelas are dangerous compared to the rest of Brazil, I think the days of "Cidade de Deus" are over, bad things happen but it's probably not as prominent. (But I'm not an expert or anything hehe)
 
Just one word of advice though, nao atirando na favela! (Carioca humor)
 
and while you're there you should pick up some good funk music "To favelado, aflicionado..." LOL
 
Well done, you have summed it up very well. Please read a similar post from a few weeks ago as Sven makes some good observations.
When I first went to the favela in Northern Rio, it was with a group of people from Switzerland, Italy, Germany and of course yours truly.
I spoke no Portuguese and German (not English) was the common language between us. I used a phrase book to get by and as is my nature, I intergrated very well with the people. In fact the phrase book was the key to getting by as many people wanted to know the English equivalent of what I was trying to say in Portuguese. I made friends for life.
However, it was difficult living there. Suspect hygiene routines made eating and drinking hazardous. Personal safety is your responsibility not theirs. In fact you draw attention to their home when you are living there.
Which ever way you look at it you are a foreigner and you must be rich and have something worth taking. Thats what puts the family at risk with you being there. I stayed at the priests house as his guest. However, a lot of things go on regardless of you being there and being caught in the cross fire of some dispute is no fun.
I have many stories so the following two wont go amiss.
 
I had been invited to a 15 birthday party in our street. The proud father was dishing out the beer and food and welcomed me like a long lost brother. all was going well,  music too loud so they turned it up even louder till the speakers popped. After several hours of trying to copy the local dance and trying to master a language while downing caipirinha and brama for the first time, it was time to go. Jet lag was taking its toll too as was the Rio heat.
As I was leaving the party I met two surly looking gentlemen. They were looking for the fathers brother (such as I could assume from my command of the language) They were sucked into the crowd and I made my way home. No sooner had I reached the gate, shots were fired.
It turned out that they were there to settle a score with the brother but he wasnt there and rather than waste the trip the two men fired indisciminately into the crowd.
 
I was staying at the lower end of the favela away from the hill. One particular evening I had decided to stay in rather than go up to the church compound. I was suffering from a combination of heat stroke and jelly belly and sweating profusely. I couldnt really move very far. All of a sudden there was chaos. The housekeeper was running around screaming as were the children. Outside the high walled house someone was taking a terrible beating. I was terrified by the noise of what sounded like soggy timber being hacked up. In my heart I knew what was happening but was so weak and frightened, I didnt want to look out the window. Then I heard the front gate being pushed open, I thought "O God" and I thought my time was coming. The women and children were still shouting , incongruosly the churches around the favela were still shouting out their message to the faithful and not so faithful and closer to home I could hear footsteps running up the concrete steps to my room on the first floor. You will never know the sense of hopelessness I felt on that bed.
The metal screen door burst open and in rushed the priest with a helper. They picked me up and took me to a neighbouring village. Outside the house we crossed a line of dismembered body parts stretched across the road. The parts were from young drug dealers who had tried to encroach into someone elses area. The line of body parts was a demarcation line. As a further indignity, the genitals had been removed. The next few days were horrendous as gangs fought it out with each other.
 
So why did I go back. Another post maybe, just be careful. If your hosts say dont go to a certain area, then dont go. If you are asked to explain your presence there, do so and as often as is necessary. It would be too simple to say use your common sense.
 
Just unbelievable...in shock.
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Quote Heidi Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 12:31
Originally posted by sven

Heidi, which favela would that be. The city of Rio has 698 Favelas according to city hall.

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What makes you think that the times of "Cidade de Deus" are over???
 
Sven, I'm not sure which favela...just know that it's in Rio. And it's for shooting a documentary...I'm not even sure if I'm going yet...
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Quote laserbabe Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2007 at 12:45
My hit on the rio favela thing is no. As much help as they need, the desperation and danger have become too great, and the total war between the drug dudes and the police are beyond individual ability to influence now. Everyone is armed and children are killing children. I would think about the many favelas surrounding other cities, where it is far less dangerous, and much easier to get a foothold and make some progress. Where people still have hope would be my target area.
 
It is not the rio of 10 years ago.
 
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