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Quote Nancee Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:38
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I am most familiar with Salvador, where I have regularly been shocked to see people dragging themselves along the sidewalk on their hands, and even into buses, legless or paralyzed and apparently too poor to afford a wheelchair or prosthesis. This may say something about the level of services for the disabled.

This is pretty pathetic. How does one survive without a wheelchair, if needed? There, apparently, are no service agencies for the disabled??

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Quote nevergoingback Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 12:58
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This is pretty pathetic. How does one survive without a wheelchair, if needed? There, apparently, are no service agencies for the disabled??



And what good is a wheelchair on sidewalks with no ramps!  I only know this from my experience trying to push a child's stoller around the streets of Rio - it's like trying to navigate one of those military obstacle courses they have in bootcamp!  What chance does anyone in a wheelchair have?


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Quote orangevip Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 13:24
Seems like they need to develop a rehabiliation program over there like ours.  I work at the state level but we are governed by the feds.  It's a wonderful program that gets people with disabilities out and moving and sometimes even to work.  But this all falls under the disability acts that we have in place.  I have a co-worker that goes to Russia every year to work with individuals that are either blind or have low vision...I'm not sure of how it was put together but...it's a great program.  I wish I could somehow do a study of SA and specifically BR to see how difficult it would be to implement a program of this type there.  DREAMS....I'm only one.
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 13:33
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This is pretty pathetic. How does one survive without a wheelchair, if needed? There, apparently, are no service agencies for the disabled??


No there are almost none. One survives as discribed, many using a skateboard or cut down car tires on their knees.

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And what good is a wheelchair on sidewalks with no ramps!  I only know this from my experience trying to push a child's stoller around the streets of Rio - it's like trying to navigate one of those military obstacle courses they have in bootcamp!  What chance does anyone in a wheelchair have?


The centre of Rio has some ramps for wheelchairs. I work a couple of floors above Halliburton in Rio, and they actually have a disabled policy. At least 3 people using wheelchairs work there.

Here in the centre of Rio I see many people in wheelchairs actually in the middle of the street. Sidewalks are indeed obstacle courses. Where there are no holes in the sidewalk, most space is occupied with camelos.

When I first came to Brazil I always wondered why Brazilians carry their babies in their arms everywhere and do not use strollers. After having two, I know why. carrying your child in your arms is much less tiresome than pushing a stroller over the sidewalk.
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Quote orangevip Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 15:03
How hard would it be to develop a service agency in BR?  Would it have to be done through a study first???  Do they do studies/research on this type of topic?
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Quote Nancee Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 16:31

I would think someone could come up with just a wooden chair with wheels on it even(the old type wheelchairs used to be made of wooden slats with big old wheels attached). How does one survive on a skate board? Get food? Etc.? There must be no gov't assistance, they must have to beg for food and live on the streets, unless they have some money or a half-well off family. 

Is this a financial issue? (I would think some creative crafts people in Brazil could rig something up to make their lives a bit easier) or is it more of a social issue (societal apathy)?

 



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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 17:28
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How does one survive on a skate board? Get food? Etc.?


Obviously it must be very hard. You´re generally speaking about beggars and really poor people.

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There must be no gov't assistance, they must have to beg for food and live on the streets, unless they have some money or a half-well off family.


If you have a half well off family they will probably be able to buy a really old weelchair. You see a lot of those in Rio.

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Is this a financial issue? (I would think some creative crafts people in Brazil could rig something up to make their lives a bit easier) or is it more of a social issue (societal apathy)?

Must be. The country is hardly able to take care of the elderly. Sure there is some kind of government help, but one must get in a line.



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Quote nevergoingback Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 17:36
Disabled rights are a big mountain to climb.  Look at the buses with the high steps and narrow turn-stile entry gate.  No-one disabled can use these. The side-walks are bits of broken mozaic stone - lovely to look at but impossible to naviagate, even on foot; some with lamp-post in the middle forcing you into the road.  
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Quote orangevip Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 22:04
Any planning involved while under construction?  Even the rich can be subject to a disability...but I guess they take care of their own.  Just seems kinda crazy to me.
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Quote Denise Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 22:55
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my salary isn't too shabby but my bf makes way more than me....he can't believe that I work for so little and I'm from here.

   Oh oh... I think he'll have trouble in finding a job that pays well (according to his standards) here... unless he's a star in his field...
  
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