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markphl
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Joined: 01 March 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 14 |
![]() Topic: prenuptial after the fact?????Posted: 03 March 2007 at 05:44 |
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does anyone have an answwer... I am an american man that married a Brazilian woman. We signed a total asset seperation prenuptial contract written in english and notarized at U.S. consulate in Sao Paulo. But we married in Brazil with a "comunhao parcial de bens". |
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Mineiro_Alemão
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Joined: 14 April 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 2167 |
![]() Posted: 03 March 2007 at 09:48 |
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I´m not sure, but I guess the best would be that you go to the CARTÓRIO CIVIL where you married in Brazil and check with the people there how/what to do.
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Denise
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Joined: 29 July 2005 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 3649 |
![]() Posted: 03 March 2007 at 11:53 |
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I think you'll have to change the marriage contract to separação total de bens.
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John Vuckovich
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Joined: 05 April 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
![]() Posted: 05 April 2007 at 21:22 |
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Mark, a great question. I would like to know also. Edited by John Vuckovich |
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Russell
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Joined: 28 July 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4945 |
![]() Posted: 06 April 2007 at 02:00 |
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It's a good question. Presumably items that you buy together post-wedding are sold and split, and items you buy individually remain as that. Clearly everything before the wedding is also individual. I'd be interested to know for sure though, although I'm not sure what else it could be.
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MonicaB
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Joined: 08 August 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1181 |
![]() Posted: 06 April 2007 at 07:55 |
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HI Separacao total de bens: whatever is in your name (doesn't matter is acquired before or after the wedding) remains yours in case of separation Separacao parcial de bens: whatever was yours before the wedding remains yours, whatever you acquired after the wedding is shared between you and your partner n case of separation Comunhao Universal de bens: whatever is yours is also your partners (doesn't matter is acquired before or after the wedding) Edited by MonicaB |
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London Lad
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Joined: 01 April 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 2055 |
![]() Posted: 06 April 2007 at 08:46 |
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A very interesting question and one that came up in a
conversation I had while I was in Now while my Portuguese isn’t great I got the idea that once you have lived together for two years what were your assets became joint assets, this is what I understood from a Brazilian solicitor, I also thought any agreement signed before a marriage was open to challenge in Brazilian courts. I think if I were you I would get legal advice both in the
USA and Brazil, we considered drawing up a contract but after advice I felt it
wasn’t worth it if any such contract was able to be challenged later, we have
children and I think that makes a very big difference to Brazilian courts who
will and rightly so act in a manor that should protect any children. |
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Denise
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Joined: 29 July 2005 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 3649 |
![]() Posted: 06 April 2007 at 23:57 |
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Yes and no. I think only the assets during the 'living together' phase can be disputed, in case of 'total separação de bens'. But if you're really serious about protecting assets, you may consider using a trust fund or setting a company up as asset's owner.
Child support is obligatory, whatever contract is signed. The couple's assets, it's a different story... |
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London Lad
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I'm not sure about the bit in bold, as that isn't the
impression we got from the solicitor we spoke to*, but again I would recommend
the person gets proper legal advice in the country where any contract is likely
to be challenged. |
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Denise
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![]() Posted: 07 April 2007 at 11:58 |
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* I say the above as my Brazilian partner already owns property in Brazil and
that property could/would become part of our joint assets after 2 years
according to the solicitor we spoke to
Oh yeah, everything you shared during the 2 years, but not what was acquired after the contract is signed. Of course, adders of how to separate assets can be included in any contract. |
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