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    Posted: 23 February 2007 at 15:46

I am working in one of the multinational big four accounting firms. Would it be easy for me to work in the big 4 offices in Brazil? Or would be possible for me to work as an accountant there? (I don't speak portuguese) . Thanks.

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Quote ellenliss Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2007 at 18:01

Sorry, but I think you can forget it!

Maybe 2-5% speak english(I guess), accounting laws are different. But ofcause if you take a super intensive language class and you have a language ear, you will maybe be able to communicated within 1-2 years. And what about the accounting, do you have a speciality that are not very commune in order to get a visa?

Sorry I'm just trying to be realistic

 

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Quote Russell Replybullet Posted: 23 February 2007 at 19:36
I had both accountant and lawyer friends that worked in the big firms, and neither had a great command of the language. It seemed to be more the case they'd learned a bit abroad, then come to Brazil and carried on learning.

Best to keep an eye on your company's job board and see what comes up, then what the requirements are.
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Quote docktadru Replybullet Posted: 24 March 2007 at 06:04
How many years of experience do you have working the Big 4?  Accounting skills are portable worldwide...Ellenliss obviously doesn't know anything about the accounting profession.  I am American and have worked for KPMG in Asia, and I wasn't the only foreigner there.  The partners of the firm were Australian, New Zealander, British, etc. and did not speak the local language.  Learning the local GAAP is easy once you've got a solid understanding of accounting...it's kind of like NBA players playing in international tournaments under different rules--in the end basketball is basketball isn't it?  Try to snag a transfer to the one of the Brazilian offices through your firm...you might even get paid your native currency 
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Quote OldDogGyn Replybullet Posted: 27 March 2007 at 00:34
Key phrase:  'would it be easy for me'

Short Answer: "no"

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Quote ellenliss Replybullet Posted: 28 March 2007 at 11:43

docktadru: where in Asia?

Hong Kong or Singapore where 98% speak english or China where 2% speak English?

On a local contract with a bowl of rice or expat contract with Penthouse and car?

Which big 4 are you working for here in Brazil?

Sorry , but I have hardly never seen that asian NBA basketball team down here in Brazil! 

 

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Quote fishy Replybullet Posted: 29 March 2007 at 10:17

I never expect this to be easy. In fact, I am graduating and I am starting to work in one of the big four this autumn.  I hope I will be able to work in Brazil after getting some years of experience. I know very few people in Brazil speak Eng. But I guess English is a must to work in big 4. Isn't it the same in the big 4 in Brazil?

Docktadru, did you have your secondment in Asia? which city? Are there secondments opening for Brazil as well?

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Quote Denise Replybullet Posted: 29 March 2007 at 10:23
Originally posted by fishy

But I guess English is a must to work in big 4. Isn't it the same in the big 4 in Brazil?

  I don't know... but I'd say that Brazilians are so imaginative & creative in everything, especially laws & ways around laws that Portuguese must be really good!
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Quote fabri1972 Replybullet Posted: 30 March 2007 at 05:35

Dear fishy, I'm not sure that I understood correct but I have to say you that learn portuguese it's not difficult but if you really want to work in Brazil you haven't to find a Brazilian Firm but a International firm that wants to invest in Brazil. I'm italian and I have 16 years of experience in accounting and in commercial. It's 6 months that I tried to meet an European firm that have a firm in Brazil or that wants to invest in Brazil but it's really difficult. But you have to know that the Brazilian firm paid a good account 1.000 or max 1.500 reais (this is in Fortaleza, I don't know in the other city) and if I remember the change is 400-600 Euro. It's for that I said that you have to meet a European or USA firm.

Sorry for my english

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Quote docktadru Replybullet Posted: 31 March 2007 at 17:34
I was with a Big 4 firm in Saigon, Vietnam, where maybe 1% at most of the population speaks English.  My cousin (Canadian citizen) was also a Senior Manager at another Big 4 firm in Asia getting MAD paid.  No, Ellenliss, not in Singapore or Hong Kong.  And no, Ellenliss, I'm talking about getting paid what you would be getting paid in your native country, NOT local currency.  How many Big 4 expat accountants do you know, by the way???  What firm do you work for???  I know a boatload of fellow expats who have worked ALL OVER THE WORLD (Asia, Europe, Latin America, etc.) for the Big 4, because accounting like I said IS a portable skill. 

Sorry , but I have hardly never seen that asian NBA basketball team down here in Brazil!

What the hell are you talking about?  I made an analogy about how universal accounting was and how easy it is to pick up different rules once you already have a strong foundation, and so I don't what that was all about.  And English is the official language within the firm, by the way, so the expats didn't have much of a problem in that regard.  Fishy, your best bet is to get at least 5 years of experience in your firm (get to manager level) and then try to get a secondment in Brazil.  It's probably really hard to snag a position abroad with any less experience because remember firms only hire foreigners if they can't find locals to fill the position.  Once you get to manager level, you will have had a strong understanding of U.S. GAAP and SEC/SOX regulations, which is valued throughout the world.  This is the path that most Big 4 expats I know have taken.  Peace.


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