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3casas
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![]() Topic: Certification in Brazil?Posted: 17 February 2007 at 12:07 |
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Out of curiousity, when people here say "certified teacher" for ESL what do they mean? Cambridge TEFL? Some kind of Brazil-specific standard? Public school?
My sister in law (bigshot with dept of Ed in SP) said that with my training/exp I could teach through college level, including public school, but was kinda skimpy on details. I don't really plan to teach here (been there, done that) but should it come to that, I may as well explore. |
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Denise
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![]() Posted: 17 February 2007 at 12:23 |
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I think you could translate/validate your degrees - for teaching in high school it's necessary "Licenciatura plena"; I don't know if it's necessary for college/university (but I do suspect something similar).
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DUNGA
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![]() Posted: 17 February 2007 at 13:20 |
I must have had a hundred people tell me I could teach at the local University when I had no interest in doing so. But now, years later, that I'm somewhat interested in a part time job, it's a whole different story. Too bad you won't be living in the area where your sister-in-law is a 'bigshot' or you could call her bluff. Good Luck!!! |
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AkuTyger
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Joined: 08 January 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 818 |
![]() Posted: 17 February 2007 at 22:39 |
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People also tell me this a lot. It's probably true. And if
I got off my ass, I bet I could do something about it, but as it stands
I am pretty settled where I am with my current hours and could not take
any more on.
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AkuTyger
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![]() Posted: 18 February 2007 at 11:27 |
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Now with a little more time let me add this:
When investigating the possibility of teaching at a university, we have found that the translation and validation of degrees is not as simple as the rest of my documentation being transfered. Both my BA and my MA have been validated by the Brasilian Consulate in Chicago, along with my transcripts. But when we took everything to UFBA to find out how to "legalize" my degrees here, they wanted all sorts of other proofs, such as letters from department heads, explanations of programs, details of courses, etc. After obtaining all this, then we must get it notarized, then legalized at the consulate, and then translated etc here... THEN I can apply for my equivalent here in Brasil. BUT in order to teach at a university, it seems I should be more literate in Portuguese (actually, this is pretty true considering I lack confidence even to write checks because I canno spell in PRT to save my life), so before I apply for any jobs, I have to take a few courses at a university somewhere.... Ha ha ha... yeah.... so being skimpy on the details... yeah, there are a lot of details, like most things in this country. |
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GigiRJ
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Joined: 27 July 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 310 |
![]() Posted: 18 February 2007 at 15:13 |
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The reverse is true for us brazilians abroad - having a brazilian BA or MA does not entitle you to do a course abroad. When applying for the University of melbourne, they said my BA wasn't the equivalent to their Honours - couldn't get it cause all public brazilian unis offer honours courses, we can't get a diploma without having a specific thesis year. After having sent lettes from uni, brazilian gov (I had a grant from them) and etc, they gave me a big no and i gave them a big F***, hahaha The requirements vary from uni to uni, my classmate,who happens to be a great friend of mine, ended up at Sussex with ALBAN scholarship - and, lol, we basically did the same stuff at uni, including the grant from CNPq (we worked under the same project) After such digression, so that you know I sympathise with you guys, lol, I gotta tell you that depending on the university it's not that simple to be part of its staff. For example, at public unis you gotta go through a public examination, which is time-consuming and hard; at my uni dpt, English language and Literature, all the vacancies which were open 2 years ago were for people who had at least a PhD and 5 years of uni teaching experience. Plus publications etc etc etc. As Denise said, in order to teach at High School and Primary School you gotta have licenciatura - diploma of education. Some schools may accept the "licenciatura curta" or as we commonly say, "complementação pedagógica", that is, you majored in any area and went back to uni to take specific education subjects in order to be a teacher. Others will only accept "licenciatura plena", that is, you took the education subjects plus other subjects related to your teaching area. For example, I have "licenciatura plena" because I took education subjects such as didatics, psychology, phylosophy as well as educational subjects related to English teaching (as I have a BA in Language/Lit): teaching english as a foreign language, reading in foreign language, english for specific purposes... If you wanna teach at public schools, you have to have "licenciatura plena" Certified ESL teachers - maybe you saw an ad from an English language school, right? I assume they're talking about accredited certification such as CELTA, DELTA, ICELT (issued by the uni of cambridge). I reckon they don't necessarily require a language degree holder but someone who's got expertise and related training. In order to be a uni teacher you don't have to have a diploma of education, which sucks, as I had great researchers before me who were awful teachers, they didn't know how to lead us into critical thinking. |
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GigiRJ
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![]() Posted: 18 February 2007 at 15:16 |
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PS: you cant teach at publi unis as "visting scholar or professor" but I don't know how it works. You don't have to go through any public examination, you have a short-term contract and I guess it's based on the uni's partnerships with other unis abroad. That's at least what one of my professors told me some years ago (he was from Georgetown and since a UERJ teacher went there as visting scholar, they sent him on a "trade" basis, lol)
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AkuTyger
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![]() Posted: 18 February 2007 at 19:23 |
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My case is sort of what you mean with the CELTA and what not - I have
my MA in TESOL. But, since it's an actual degree (all be it in
teaching and specifically for teaching English) and not just a
certificate, I have to go through all the regular stuff of any major
degree. I find it kind of funny that its easier for someone with
less "schooling" in the same area to get a job here. But that
is.... well, murphy's law I guess.
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AkuTyger
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![]() Posted: 18 February 2007 at 19:26 |
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Oh, I was told they changed the law so you must have teacher
certification to be a teacher here now. At least at the school
where I work, this was the case.
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GigiRJ
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![]() Posted: 18 February 2007 at 20:04 |
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Hi Akutyger, Yeah, I pretty much feel the same - I have a BA in English Language and English and North-American Lits plus graduate certificate in Education and I get really mad when I find out a colleague of mine, who holds a CELTA and majored in law has as much value as I do. What is a CELTA compared to what we study at school of education? Maybe your "problem" is being "overqualified", as anyone who's lived in Miami for 6 months is entitled to be a "qualified" teacher as you are This new law, well, it's not so new does not apply to what we call "curso livre". For example, Cultura Inglesa, CNA, Britannia, ICBEU are are "cursos livres" not regular schools. In order to teach at schools you have to have either "licenciatura plena" or "licenciatura curta" aka "complementação pedagógica".Both "licenciaturas" mean that you went through a higher degree course on education being the difference that in the former you had educational subjects related to your field (approaches/methodologies to teaching English, Teaching English as a foreign language, Teaching English for Specific Purposes) and the latter is less specific, just focusing on core subjects like Didatics, Psychology, Ed Tech, etc.
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