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Quote Denise Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2007 at 19:22

3 casas, if I knew that, I'd open an account for you for less!!! 
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Quote Spanish_tony Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2007 at 19:28
Why diss the mexicans for being poor?

I don't get it, if you complain because the medical bills are high, then they must they be really high for them, specially if they have no right to min. wage.

I'd be thinking "there but for the grace of God" and getting on with life.
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Quote Denise Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2007 at 19:39
This is very complicated, really. There are places that really need workers - for example, Bill Brown was telling that the owner of a gardening company in CA couldn't find a single American gardener to work for USD 44/hour. Now, how much are you willing to pay for a nice garden? Or for nannies, maids, etc?
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Quote Jared_James Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2007 at 20:19

It has nothing to do with dissing someone because they are poor. The problem is that they break laws to enter the country. They are criminals. Mexicans are the vast majority of criminal aliens but there are millions from other countries as well.

I never thought much about it until I started the immigration process. Is it fair to reward criminals over those that wait years and spend thousands of dollars to legally enter the U.S.?

There is no reason that Mexico should be poor other than the Mexican people have chosen Karl Marx inspired leaders on election day for several decades.

In case you do not know, our population is aging fast. The invasion of millions of poor illiterate people will only further burden on the U.S. Few earn enough money to make them ineligible for food stamps, energy assistance, housing assistance, low cost or free government sponsered health plans. The surplus of low skilled labor drives wages down, making a greater number of citizens eligible for tax payer funded programs. It is only a matter of time before the U.S. is just another socialist/marxist country, so don't anyone give up your citizenship of your native country when coming to the U.S. There may be a day when it is much better to live in the country that you came. I blame ignorant American people for permitting this above all others.

Don't anyone tell me all these poor people that are invading my country are helping. Hispanics have the highest teen pregnancy rates, the lowest graduation rates, and the highest gang membership rates. All of these things reliably forecast poverty.

Immigration opportunities should be given equally to all countries and based on skills and education. Not based on who can break the most laws.     

  

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Quote Jared_James Replybullet Posted: 14 February 2007 at 20:33

Denise,

don't believe all that you hear. That is laughable. It works like this. Big business doesn't want to pay fair market wages. They lobby congress with hundreds of millions of dollars so they can more freely break federal employment laws. The tax payer funded services provided to these workers subsidizes the low wages. It is corporate welfare. Many of the industries that use illegal labor also recieve billions in subsidies. So, they get the cheap labor and cash from the federal government. Who is hurt? The American tax payer. But also workers thoughout Latin America. How can Latin American businesses compete with U.S. businesses  receiving billions in subsidies and below fair market labor prices? This doesn't exactly promote democracy in Latin America? Does it?   

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Quote Denise Replybullet Posted: 15 February 2007 at 09:39
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How can Latin American businesses compete with U.S. businesses  receiving billions in subsidies and below fair market labor prices? This doesn't exactly promote democracy in Latin America? Does it?   

  I can't talk about Latin America, but in Brazil probs are more internal like high taxes, corruption, red tape, government inefficiency, ports inefficiency, low literacy, high interest rates, labour laws. In some markets (e.g. commodities) US subsidies hurt BR exports - but those subsidies are not because of whatever aliens they might have hired.
 And no, I'm not in favor of open doors immigration, but in a better system for workers.


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Quote 3casas Replybullet Posted: 15 February 2007 at 17:18
I think at least one part of this problem is "low low prices".
The US has gotten itself into a destructive cycle of reducing wages, employees, etc in order to compete with China and other markets with lower wages, and it's not helped by consumers who only want to pay "super low evil-mart prices", even at the cost of hurting the local economy.  Often in the states i found myself saying i'd rather pay more for something made in the US, but there simply was NOTHING made in the US.  No production jobs, either.
And yes, some companies do employ illegal workers (there was a raid on a local evil*mart near my house in Boston, where dozens of illegals were working), and they should get more than a smack on the wrist.  But there are many factors here.
Another is the fact that the cost of living has gone up so high that a person can no longer live on low-wage jobs, and so we've encouraged our children to all go to college and become middle management, with a large gap at the bottom.  Who's going to work for $7/hour as a nurse's aide, lifting and washing elderly people, if they have $25,000 in student loans?  And how will they pay their rent? and childcare? and health insurance?

I don't have the answers, and I have strong feelings about immigration that I don't expect anyone else to share. 
But as with many other things in the US, if the population can't be bothered to lift a hand in protest, nothing will change.
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Quote 3casas Replybullet Posted: 15 February 2007 at 17:22
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3 casas, if I knew that, I'd open an account for you for less!!! 

Thank you Denise, but I'd hate to get you in trouble with the money-laundering police. 
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Quote Jared_James Replybullet Posted: 15 February 2007 at 17:34

Criminal alien labor and subsidies hurt trade with all of South America. All of the problems that you mention are very true. But you forgot one very important thing. Tariffs! Imagine trying to compete globally when the price of a simple computer is 3-4 times what your competition is paying. Also, consider the impact on the family budget on all imported items. If the U.S. played fair in regard to agriculture, trade between the U.S. and Brazil could flourish.

I see great potential in Brazil. You have great natural resources and a very young population. The intellectual talent is there. But Brazil ranks 88TH in the world in terms of economic freedom. Corruption and crime are some of the biggest impediments to prosperity. If you cut taxes enough, corruption and crime will decline. What happens is that much of the criminal element find it is easier to make money legally in a low tax environment than illegally in a high tax environment.

I like Brazil and the Brazilian people very much. I hope that major reforms take  place soon in order to give more people economic hope.     

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