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marley
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Joined: 19 July 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 42 |
![]() Topic: Need to work ASAP after marriagePosted: 19 July 2012 at 17:36 |
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Hi all
I'm a UK guy planning to marry my Brasilian girlfriend, so that I can get permanent residency to live with her in Brasil. The thing is, I will need to be able to work as soon as possible after I get there/we get married. And I've read a lot on here about the difficulty of getting a cartao de trabalho even once you've got your marriage visa, and that it can take months. Is this just internet exaggeration or is this a reality I should worry about? Because I can't really go 6 months without work. The other option is she comes here on a visit-to-marry visa, would that speed things up at all? I haven't been able to find any information on how we go about getting a UK marriage recognised in Brasil and whether it would even speed up the process of enabling me to work or not? If anybody has any experience or useful information on this I'd be very very grateful! Thanks! |
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Esprit
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Joined: 28 January 2010 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 2364 |
![]() Posted: 19 July 2012 at 18:43 |
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So, you’re thoroughly conversant with
Brazil, the Brazilian culture and the way of life. You of course speak
Portuguese fluently and have qualifications and skills that are in short supply
and in demand including a prospective employer anxious to hire you. You love
your girlfriend and want to marry her and that is totally disconnected from the
lure of this life-changing excitement. If all of the above is true I wish you
every success and happiness. |
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marley
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Joined: 19 July 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 42 |
![]() Posted: 19 July 2012 at 18:47 |
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What a helpful post, thank you very much. Edited by marley - 19 July 2012 at 18:48 |
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sven
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Joined: 14 March 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 12757 |
![]() Posted: 19 July 2012 at 19:26 |
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What Esprit in his own way is trying to convey to you is that, unless you speak fluent Portuguese, have some important skill or have an offer lined up, the CTPS is the least of your worries.
You get a temp carteira with a certidao from the federal police that you have indeed applied for permanent residency based on marriage. |
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nikkij12185
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Joined: 10 March 2009 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 1725 |
![]() Posted: 19 July 2012 at 19:27 |
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How do you plan on getting a job that quickly? I think 6-18months is the norm to find decent entry level work as a foreigner with a perm visa (can take a few years to find higher level positions). Even with the card, you probably won't do much else beyond teaching, bartending or babysitting.
The fastest way to get all of your docs would be to marry and apply for your visa in the UK. To get your marriage recognized in Brazil, the first step is to register it at the cartorio with jurisdiction over where you marry. Then you have to take it to a cartorio in Brazil. Its not really faster than just marrying here if you have all the docs. |
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marley
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I speak Portuguese pretty well, I wouldn't call myself fluent yet, but I can hold a good conversation. We plan on actually getting married and me moving at the beginning of next year, so I'll continue learning and practising until then, but I don't think I'll feel fluent until I've spent at least a good few months there speaking it daily anyway. About jobs. I have some office experience from a few years ago, then went back to university to gain new skills and just graduated. So my thinking is this: I am in the situation of having to apply for jobs as a new graduate, I have no directly relevant experience although my job before university should hold weight. Obviously in the UK at the current time finding a job in the career I want is going to be tough. Now, am I wrong to assume that to find a job in Brasil, if I have permanent residency and [near] fluent Portuguese, is going to be about an equal task? If I have a work-card/visa and can speak the language, would Brasilian companies still be less likely to hire me than a local? The whole reason for the marriage coming quicker than perhaps it would have done is exactly because I don't meet the stringent requirements needed for a company to sponsor me for a visa (namely lack of experience since I'm a new grad). And I know that many companies will be less likely to hire me anyway if they need to go through the paperwork and admin palava of sponsoring me. So if I apply ready-armed with a visa, then I'm giving myself a much higher chance, surely? Edited by marley - 19 July 2012 at 20:39 |
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marley
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![]() Posted: 19 July 2012 at 20:35 |
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So doing it in Brasil should still be our preferred option then since the actual gathering of documents can be done by myself while I'm here and working? Then I move over there once we have everything ready, have docs translated and do the deed. As for how I plan on finding a job so quickly... See my post above. In UK I would accept it is difficult but would expect to find a job in my field within a few months, why should it be different in Brasil, if I have a visa already? (I'm not asking that belligerently, I'm genuinely curious) |
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Esprit
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Joined: 28 January 2010 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 2364 |
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Why should it be different in Brazil?!!! Wow, that's a classic. Marley, I don't know where to start with you except to suggest that you spend some considerable time reading the posts on this forum. Brazil is different.
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marley
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Of course it's different, but it's not a different planet. In UK, I have no experience and a good degree, looking for a job in a very bad economic climate. In Brasil, I have no experience and a good degree, looking for a job in a pretty good economic climate (especially in my field). Are you saying that nobody in Brasil has a job in the field they want to work in? Or that everybody who has, worked for 10 years in teaching and babysitting before landing that job? Edited by marley - 19 July 2012 at 20:50 |
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Esprit
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Joined: 28 January 2010 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 2364 |
![]() Posted: 19 July 2012 at 21:02 |
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[QUOTE=marley]
...Of course it's different, but it's not a different planet. [QUOTE] I understand the paradigm that would
lead a Westerner to such a conclusion about Brazil’s impressive growth during
past, but not current year. Impressive too that Brazil has recently overtaken
the UK’s GDP, but on closer examination one notes that the population here in
greater than three times that of the UK not to mention the massive land mass difference
and the super abundance of natural resources. One should wonder why it has
taken Brazil so long to progress thus far. And it is only through such
wondering that the truth about Brazil will be revealed to you. Edited by Esprit - 19 July 2012 at 21:03 |
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