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Quote Setlist Scotty Replybullet Topic: what legal stuff is need 2 move from US to Brazil?
    Posted: 12 July 2012 at 02:42
Hi all

been reading and searching threads and the big thing I'm still wondering is what all do I need to do here in the US before making the move to Brazil? Just for some background info, my Brazilian fiancee and I are getting married here in the US and then planning on heading back to Brazil together (at the end of September). I plan to maintain my American citizenship and we have no plans for her to become an American citizen or live in the US. And I plan to maintain my American bank account (at least for the time being).

FYI, I did ask and get questions answered regarding getting married and applying for permanent residency visa - which seems to make more sense when after the move, instead of beforehand, when we would have to return to the Brazilian consulate in the US after the visa has been granted. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I also am aware of the fact that I will need to continue paying taxes to the American government, and therefore it would likely be best for me not to be named on her bank accounts, or else Uncle Sam might want a cut of that money as well (judging by another thread I read).

For now, I guess what I still would like to know is:
• Is there any sort of paperwork I will need to fill out?
• Do I maintain an address here (perhaps my parents')?
• Should I contact a lawyer about this sort of thing? If so, what kind of lawyer would be best?
• Any other things I should be aware of or tips that you can suggest?

Thanks in advance for your responses!
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Quote spongebob Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 08:18
yeah, very wise not to include your Brazilian wife. Keep bank accounts seperate because the US is really just that cara de pau.

before you even move, maybe you should consider this:
fire sale
This is somewhat common on these forums.

People move to Brazil all the time wearing "Brazil Goggles". Everything looks great-- for a while. Then things start getting to them, or reality sets in, and they want to return from where they came from. It happens all the time, usually at a large financial expense (loss). So my recommendation would be to not sign any long-term agreements, and just stick around for a while to see things. I really think that 90% of foreigners who move to Brazil pack up and move "back home" after some months or years.

It's best to get married in the US. Don't pay for any lawyers or anything like that. Apply for the visa at the Brazilian consulate in the US. It's much faster from what people say. But if you insist on getting married in Brazil, the Policia Federal will give you the list of paperwork they need. It's pretty straightforward, but it takes a veeeerrryy long time.


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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 09:51
For the likes of me I don't understand why people still call the US Govt "Uncle Sam". That uncle is a pretty greedy bastard and appears more like a mother in law than an uncle.

I do agree with sponge that it's better to apply for permanent residency in the US. Way faster.
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Quote andrewfroboy Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 10:00
Its not that hard to get married in Brasil and its with your local cartorio, not the PF that you need to talk with. I think getting married in Brasil facilitates the visa process, but I could be wrong. Basically the only document that is a pain in the butt to get married is your birth certificate. Other than that its pretty straight forward if you have your paperwork lined up and have a cooperative cartorio.
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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 10:06
Originally posted by sven

For the likes of me I don't understand why people still call the US Govt "Uncle Sam". That uncle is a pretty greedy bastard and appears more like a mother in law than an uncle.

I do agree with sponge that it's better to apply for permanent residency in the US. Way faster.
 

Thinking that uncles are kindly and benevolent blood relatives is just part of social conditioning. You can put odds on the fact that every priest, bishop and Pope together with the mass-murderers, paedophiles, kleptomaniacs, fraudsters, and tax collectors are somebody’s uncle somewhere. Of course most nuns are excluded from this group.    

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Quote 3casas Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 11:11
Doesn't everyone have a douchey uncle? (in my case, it's douchey aunts, not uncles, but personally i like my MIL much more than my uncles)
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Quote Rod82 Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2012 at 19:55
Originally posted by spongebob


People move to Brazil all the time wearing "Brazil Goggles". Everything looks great-- for a while. Then things start getting to them, or reality sets in, and they want to return from where they came from. It happens all the time, usually at a large financial expense (loss). So my recommendation would be to not sign any long-term agreements, and just stick around for a while to see things. I really think that 90% of foreigners who move to Brazil pack up and move "back home" after some months or years.



Hey, foreingners coming and going to live in diferent places happens anywhere. Most of those who leave they do it probably because they start to miss their family and their homeland, or even because the same "call of the wild" that made them come to Brazil now are calling them somewhere else.
Ha, but the way brazilian laws make everything harder really sucks!
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Quote Rod82 Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2012 at 20:23
Hi Scotty, I´m in the same boat than you, as we say in Brazil, although I´m brazilian and my fiancee is from California. We´ll have to get married in BR, cuz we are living in here now. Getting married in there would be way easier, since then the consulate only seems to need legalized documents, when in brazil you would need to hire a "tradutor juramentado" to translate any document of yours.
Regards your assets, I really don´t believe brazilian customs would track your account balances in the US, neither american authorities mind about "normal" amounts being kept in Brazil.
And you definitely wouldn´t need to hire a lawyer here, just a broker (despachante) to get your containner through the customs).
If you want to share findings and tips about shipping a container, please contact me via pm.
Best regards and good luck!
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Quote Steven Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2012 at 21:41

Why bother marrying in the U.S. if you plan to live in Brazil?  Just make sure that you know which documents are needed for marriage in Brazil and get them "legalized" at the Brazilian consulate in the U.S. before you go to Brazil. This is essential.  Have your Brazilian fiancee check with a cartorio before you get there (or maybe one of the Forum members can help out).  

I can't remember all of them but certainly you will need a birth certificate.  I think that you also need to prove that you are single in the U.S. (guys - I'm struggling here to remember - help me out).  If you get this stuff "legalized" in the U.S. you can get married in a very short time in Brazil.  Then - start the process for permanencia.  Totally different story. 
 
A lot depends on your timeline.  You are talking September so time is short.  I'm assuming that your wedding is already set up and you are planning a nice affair so why not consider two marriages?  One in the U.S. and another in Brazil.  Let the Brazilian marriage (civil) be the one to get you your permanent residency. 
 


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Quote GreatBallsoFire Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2012 at 23:37
Originally posted by sven

For the likes of me I don't understand why people still call the US Govt "Uncle Sam". That uncle is a pretty greedy bastard and appears more like a mother in law than an uncle.

I do agree with sponge that it's better to apply for permanent residency in the US. Way faster.
TYou are wrong Sven, as proved by Mitt Romney, just 17% of his millions in income paid as a tax.  In France they have a new 75% bracket for top earners.
 
Brazil places a 10% tax on credit card purchases abroad. Dilma is very much a dictator, as the peresidency in Brazil rules via decrees.Wink
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