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hooper
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![]() Topic: Sorting out my visaPosted: 29 June 2012 at 16:55 |
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Hello guys,
I'm looking for some advises/opinion on what I should do in order to sort my immigrant status here in Brazil. I have overstayed here for over a year, last time I entered brazil was february last year. I got a tourist visa and was not allowed to have it extended (Im still thinking it was a wrong decision of the PF guy) but anyways, that made all of my wedding plans go down and therefore I could not marry before my visa expired. Since then I have been trying to get my situation sorted here in Brazil with no success. Now I have two options and I'd like to know what you think of them here: I have a lawyer with a process of recognizing my stable union. I can either wait for that to be done, and in case it was sucessful, request a Habea Corpus and then apply for a union stable visa. Or I can go to uk with my fiancee, marry with power of attorney here in Brazil (we already have all the documents so would just be a case of getting there, providing the power of attorney in the brazilian consulate and sending them over for the marriage), and then apply for a marriage visa in UK, which they said it usually takes around 2 months. What would you do in my case? I am really desperate to get my situation sorted so that I can be working and studying in Brazil by 2013, Im just afraid that in Brazil it could take far too long and maybe the process wouldnt even be allowed, who knows. I'd just like to hear some other opinions from other people who have been or are going through legal/visa processes here in Brazil, Thank you |
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sven
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Joined: 14 March 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 12777 |
![]() Posted: 29 June 2012 at 17:19 |
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You are doing a "ação declaratóro de união estável"?
You can get a Habeas Corpus right now allowing you to stay while you get married. The HC would be sufficient for the cartório to get you married. Here's the jurisprudence: Origem: TRF-2 Classe: AG - AGRAVO DE INSTRUMENTO - 117268 Processo: 2003.02.01.010114-4 UF : RJ Orgão Julgador: OITAVA TURMA ESPECIALIZADA Data Decisão: 14/02/2007 Documento: TRF-200160678 Fonte DJU - Data::27/02/2007 - Página::302 Ementa AGRAVO DE INSTRUMENTO. ADMINISTRATIVO. ANTECIPAÇÃO DA TUTELA. ESTRANGEIRO. VISTO VENCIDO NO INTERREGNO DOS TRÂMITES PARA CASAMENTO COM BRASILEIRA. TUTELA DEFERIDA. 1. A concessão da tutela antecipada exige a presença da prova inequívoca que convença da verossimilhança da alegação (caput, art. 273, CPC), conciliada, alternativamente, com o fundado receio de dano irreparável ou de difícil reparação (inciso I) ou ainda, quando caracterizado o abuso de direito de defesa ou o manifesto propósito protelatório do réu (inciso II). 2. Como bem pontuou o Parquet Federal em seu parecer de fls., “o conjunto probatório apresentado pelo ora agravado é suficiente para demonstrar que o mesmo vive há aproximadamente cinco anos em uniãoestável com (...), cidadã brasileira, tendo inclusive solicitado habilitação ao casamento.” 3. Considerando que o artigo 75, II, “a”, da Lei 6.815/80, que, por razoabilidade, também se aplica aos casos de deportação, dispõe que “quando o estrangeiro tiver cônjuge brasileiro do qual não esteja divorciado ou separado, de fato ou de direito, e desde que o casamento tenha sido celebrado há mais de 5 (cinco) anos”, não será expulso, e, considerando, ainda, que a Constituição Federal 1988 equiparou a uniãoestável ao casamento, presente a verossimilhança da alegação. 4. Estando o autor já sujeito à deportação, presente também o requisito de dano de difícil reparação a justificar o deferimento da tutela antecipada. 5. Comungo do entendimento reiteradamente adotado por esta Egrégia Corte de que o deferimento da medida pleiteada se insere no poder geral de cautela do juiz que à vista dos elementos constantes do processo pode melhor avaliar a presença dos requisitos necessários à concessão; e, conseqüentemente, que em casos como o ora em exame, só é acolhível quando o juiz dá à lei uma interpretação teratológica, fora da razoabilidade jurídica, ou quando o ato se apresenta manifestamente abusivo, o que inocorre na hipótese, eis que presentes os requisitos para a concessão da tutela. 6. Agravo Interno prejudicado. 7. Recurso conhecido e provido. Relator Desembargador Federal POUL ERIK DYRLUND Decisão A Turma, por unanimidade, negou provimento ao agravo de instrumentoe julgou prejudicado o agravo interno, nos termos do voto do(a) Relator(a). Personally I think that, as soon as you where denied to get married because your visa expired, you should have obtained a Mandado de Segurança to get married. |
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hooper
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![]() Posted: 29 June 2012 at 17:30 |
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Thanks Sven, do you know how long the HC usually takes? Would it be expected to have a ''recurso'' after it?
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sven
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![]() Posted: 29 June 2012 at 17:42 |
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You'd ask for a liminar, in Rio that takes at most 10 days. Recurso? Dunno, just found that *one* case. It's really rare as most give up, go home and get married there.
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sven
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![]() Posted: 29 June 2012 at 17:46 |
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Just now I realized that I already gave you that case...
A valid visa just isn't a requirement to get married. The marriage would make you undeportable, and eligible for a permanent visa. |
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hooper
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![]() Posted: 29 June 2012 at 17:56 |
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Yeah, I talked about this HC with the lawyer once, might do it again, maybe they dont think its a good idea because as you said theres barely any cases about it,
I do understand why people choose to just leave though, here all the cartorios refused to get me married, refused to give me a proper explanation, one of them sent my case to a judge that denied my marriage with an expired visa aswell. Not to mention that the guy in the PF gave us wrong informations and another one never said I could have appealed when my extension was denied too. All of that took us money and 1 year and a half so I am starting to think that this just wont be sorted in Brazil even though the law is on our side, and I just wonder if they'd agree with the HC or the mandado when all of the people we've come across (lawyers, PF, cartorios, judges) so far had the same stupid speech that you just cant marry with an expired visa, so frustrating. |
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sven
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![]() Posted: 29 June 2012 at 20:26 |
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The HC is free. You don't need a lawyer, unless you need to argue in court. So I theory you can do it yourself.
You have a lawyer, so for ethical reasons, I can't say much more than I already did, except that the lawyer client relation is one of mutual trust. If you don't trust him or believe he could be better, change lawyers. Find someone that will do the HC for you. |
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