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Gringo.Floripa
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Joined: 17 June 2010 Location: Brazil Online Status: Online Posts: 4510 |
   Posted: 13 July 2012 at 13:18 |
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Let's see... an 'informative' post about "wet trunks", or something like that, at 18:11 (do you have incontinence, and happened to have wet your cuecas?!), and then something about you not being able to refute my 'silence', posted at 00:06. Yet since you claim you merely came back to turn off your computer, I guess you were 'sleep-posting', and not aware of what you were writing, which now explains alot about the informative nature of most your posts. OhhhKayyy... I got it now! 
Precisely my point. If one cannot find affordable land along the coast, then look a further inland. Just not the interior of the sertão (changes everything, doesn't it, those three words). And duhhhh, it obviously does depend on the delta and soil drainage, but from what I can discern from your earlier posts, your stance was no way, not possible, never. And even if the terrain is mostly wet year round, the palms could be planted in earth berms, which would provide proper drainage. Expensive land along the coast (if even available), or affordable property inland, needing a few alterations. Which is a better option? If your soil is only clay, do you give up the idea of ever planting a garden, or do you begin the gradual process to amend the soil with 'green manure' crops, whereby one day you have loamy soil riddled with earthworms??? Some men see things as they are and ask "Why?" Some dream things that never were, and ask, 'Why not?'" But Esprit is right, this convo has turned all sooooo boring. Bom FDS Hamster! Try not to stay up too late tonight watching for replies to your enlightening posts....  Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 13 July 2012 at 13:51 |
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Posted: 14 July 2012 at 03:59 |
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3casas
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Joined: 02 November 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 3588 |
Posted: 14 July 2012 at 08:31 |
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@sponge and others- the cultivar of eucalyptus has a lot to do with water consumption, etc. there is a brazilian named Celso Foelkel who has endless resources out there. He runs a few sites but this one is related to eucalyptus. http://www.eucalyptus.com.br/eucaexpert.html if you go to his page i suggest you read the PT version as the english will make you crazy.
other euc stuff links can be found http://git-forestry-blog.blogspot.com/ (some good ones, too) and the FAO has a lot of publications about eucalyptus culture for reforestation. As does the USDA, and the University of Florida ag station, which has some specific work on drought tolerant eucalypts. lots of good info from australian universities as well. |
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tbird
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Joined: 15 June 2012 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 521 |
Posted: 17 July 2012 at 14:37 |
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Well have I learned a lot about eucalyptus plantations!
This site is awesome... ... instead of planting trees, maybe i'll just create a nice synthetic soccer field and rent it out to the rapaziada by the hour (obviously not in western Bahia, but in the city) 
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spongebob
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Posted: 18 July 2012 at 07:42 |
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3casas - that's a myth about water consumption.
http://gazetadopovo.com.br/opiniao/conteudo.phtml?id=874641 There're links all over the place for this... It's a tough myth to break. Sometimes I have to remind myself. |
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3casas
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Posted: 19 July 2012 at 08:20 |
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you're preaching to the choir.
but as i said, some cultivars require more and some less. Your article says that comparatively, water use is less compared to other crops. comparatively, something i found: Most eucalyptus species need on average 785 liters of water per kilogram of biomass produced as opposed to cotton/coffee/banana(3200), sunflower(2400), field pea(2000), cow pea(1667) soybean(1430), potato(1000), sorghum(1000) and corn(1000)(Davidson 1989). There was some kerfuffle in Kenya, if i'm not mistaken (and recently again in China and India, iirc), where plantations were put in drought-prone areas along rivers and there are still debates going on about water use. it's probably africa's version of "Brazilians are burning the amazon to plant soybeans" and probably why people insist on debating this. Edited by 3casas - 19 July 2012 at 08:22 |
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Amsterdam
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Posted: 19 July 2012 at 16:40 |
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Spongebob - How are things going, making any progress?  Edited by Amsterdam - 19 July 2012 at 16:57 |
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spongebob
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Posted: 20 July 2012 at 16:43 |
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No, I gave up on the granja idea. I researched it a lot and it looks to be too much work. I'm not shy about working hard that looks really hard. Plus, I've been sick. These hot days and then suddenly freezing nights was too much for my system to take. I still want a sitio, but later into the future after I get some more important things out of the way. |
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Amsterdam
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Posted: 20 July 2012 at 18:46 |
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Granjas are much more technical than people realise. Chickens can eat. If you havent been used to working in that way, your body will eventually get used to it. I went through a long period of adjustment, your body slowly adjusts to that physical lifestyle. Many people just go to work, sit in an office or their cars and go home, have a little stroll etc. I love being out in the open all day. City life isnt for me. Keep taking the Vitamins aswell, they boost the immune system during these colder times, i boost up on Vitamin C and Zinc this time of year. I went out last night to a friends Birthday party and we got abit carried away with the Pitu, suffering today. If i can help with anything please let me know.  Edited by Amsterdam - 20 July 2012 at 20:07 |
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Gringo.Floripa
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Posted: 20 July 2012 at 20:32 |
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Hamster... what happened to your original 'granja' post? The one where you detailed having to literally fight fires in your fields all by yourself, because all your employees had gone home? Why did you edit that?!? I rather enjoyed it. Kinda reminded me of Scarlet O'Hara.... |
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