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Quote mark k Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 16:08
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4.8K just for having a car in the garage

Imagine all the cabs you can ride for 5k.

Life's better without a car.


I would not say lifes better without a car ,but its definately cheaper
If i were not married with two very young children i would probably not have a car
i live in sao paulo and the cabs do not generally come with baby seats...driving in sao paulo is dangerous enough without adding even greater risk by taking your children in a taxi
For me the safety of my children far outweighs the money aspect!!




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Quote andrewfroboy Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 16:23
I think depending on where you live there is the convenience factor of a car too, you don't have to call a cab everytime you need to go somewhere. I think I would also just be less likely to travel or go somewhere if I had to pay the cab every time, I agree with your point, but will stick to my piece of crap car over a taxi.
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Quote mark k Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 17:04
Very much agree with that .....the convenience especially out with my wife on those late night restaurant visits or motel stops and even those days when its pissing down with rain and you need to go somewhere.The children are with the babysitter you want freedom.
The amount of times me and my wife have gone out in the evening at the weekend and never really stayed in one place....we could probably go to several different venues in the course of a night........taking cabs is a pain in the arse.
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Quote richsa05 Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 18:04
The only major convenience factor i can see from having a car is when you're having a stroke and need to be rushed to the nearest hospital instead of waiting 4 hours for an ambulance to arrive, which incidentally happened to my neighbor. Although after about 6 phone calls it does arrive eventually which is comforting.
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 19:23
Oh yes, the car as the apice of "American Freedom". You make it sound like you are addicted to your cars. I guess I'm lucky. Lived most of my life in Amsterdam where a car is probably one of the most useless objects to have.

No child seats in a car? Keep the kids in your lap.

It's pooring outside? Stay in. Besides the rain here is usually refreshing.

I spend way less in taxis and rent-a-cars then I'd spend owning my own piece of sh*t.

Real freedom is being able to go to the beach, drink a gallon of beer and not have to worry about being stopped by the police or getting into an accident while driving drunk.

Having a car is nothing but a liability. You never know if you can park where you're going. If you suddenly feel like having two or more drinks, you have to decide on a designated driver. If that's what you call freedom, then I prefe to be a prisoner of my cab driver...
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 19:25
Originally posted by richsa05

The only major convenience factor i can see from having a car is when you're having a stroke and need to be rushed to the nearest hospital instead of waiting 4 hours for an ambulance to arrive, which incidentally happened to my neighbor. Although after about 6 phone calls it does arrive eventually which is comforting.



Didn't they try a cab?
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Quote Amsterdam Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2012 at 00:43
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certain cars in brasil do seem to hold their value for longer here,has anybody else noticed that ???


In the uk when you buy a new car (0km) you pay 20%VAT on the car.....if you then want to sell that car 6 months later for example you loose that 20%VAT so the car is already 20% cheaper
In Brasil it seems that everybody is always trying to get their tax back on cars,so a 6 month old car is only slightly cheaper than the same model new.....can someone exlpain that one???
 
 
Yes. Its the mentality here, it will take time to change. People used to use cars to barter with, buying property or whatever, they would chuck their cars in with the deal. I was doing a deal with a guy and i mentioned to his friend that i liked the latest model of car. During our next meeting he had one parked outside his office door for me to look at, i didnt accept the car, he was sure i would because people are car crazy here.
 
Brazil is also an exploitative country with reverse economics mentality, the more people want something , the higher the price, doesnt matter about the quantity and its all about brand names. You will probably find this across the board with brands. A well known brand can be double the price of a lesser known brand and not necessarily with higher valued items either.
 
Depending on where you live the cars held their values more, but that is changing now as the new cars are being sold cheaper at the dealerships with easy finance deals aswell.
 
So the used car market is crashing basically, many used car salesman dont even know how to arrange finance for customers, they just tell them to go to bank and sort it out, they simply dont have a clue and the dealerships are mopping up basically because its all arranged in house.
 
 
 
 
 
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Quote mark k Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2012 at 08:37
[QUOTE=sven] Oh yes, the car as the apice of "American Freedom". You make it sound like you are addicted to your cars. I guess I'm lucky. Lived most of my life in Amsterdam where a car is probably one of the most useless objects to have.

No child seats in a car? Keep the kids in your lap.

It's pooring outside? Stay in. Besides the rain here is usually refreshing.

I spend way less in taxis and rent-a-cars then I'd spend owning my own piece of sh*t.

Real freedom is being able to go to the beach, drink a gallon of beer and not have to worry about being stopped by the police or getting into an accident while driving drunk.

Having a car is nothing but a liability. You never know if you can park where you're going. If you suddenly feel like having two or more drinks, you have to decide on a designated driver. If that's what you call freedom, then I prefe to be a prisoner of my cab driver...[/QUOTE

Sounds like a plan " lets take a 2 year old and 4 year old on our lap in the back of a taxi driving along marginal " even at the speed of 60 kmh which i might add for sao paulo standards is very slow and not the usual, you would almost cetainly kill the children or put them in a seriously bad medical condition in the event of an accident.
Does not sound like responsible parenting to me!!!!

As for not knowing where you are going , i have never had a problem " ever heard of sat nav " very simple and effective to use
as for parking there is always car parks..never had a problem

As for your point on drinking do you really think that jumping in a taxi eliminates this problem

surely you are not naive enough to think that all taxi drivers have not had a few drinks or even "powdered their nose" themselves during their 8 or 12 hr workday/night and you are going to be safer in a taxi........this is brazil mate the whole culture revolves around drinking!...at least when driving your own car, you can determine your alchohol intake and probably the so called designated drivers as well.


and yes you are right i do like cars and watch jeremy clarksons top gear
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Quote Amsterdam Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2012 at 10:05
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In the uk when you buy a new car (0km) you pay 20%VAT on the car.....if you then want to sell that car 6 months later for example you loose that 20%VAT so the car is already 20% cheaper
In Brasil it seems that everybody is always trying to get their tax back on cars,so a 6 month old car is only slightly cheaper than the same model new.....can someone exlpain that one??

 
 
Yes i can. It comes under the heading of ..10% of Brazils population controls 80% of Brazils wealth.
 
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Taxis are fine if you live in the City, i agree, I prefer them also when not in the mood to drive. But once you get outside the city, then forget it. I tried to do this and the taxis just didnt like coming out of town, they made every excuse not to have to drive far. And they just increased their fairs every time. 
 
They do taxi sharing in the interior because no one has the money to pay for the full ride so they all chip in, so the taxis are in sharing mentality mode. I used a cab once when my car went in for servicing, I paid the full fair and he still went around trying to find people to share the cab, i was not pleased and he got an ear full.
 
Its just the mentality of the people here, they are Sheeple on the whole.
 
The Sheeple mentality is good for the people in power, cus it keeps everyone in line and happy with the sub-standards that the country has to offer and only catering for the 10% crowd. That is changing though, slowly.
 
 
 
 
 


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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2012 at 10:56
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and yes you are right i do like cars and watch jeremy clarksons top gear



Me too, love him. Doesn't mean I need a car though.


To be honest though, when mine was 2 and 4, I was stupid enough to own a car.
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