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    Posted: 02 June 2012 at 18:20

I have just recently bought 500m2 of land in Sao Paulo (Granja Viana)...I am now looking to start building a house..........I was wondering if anybody knows of any good constuction companies they may have used before  or has anybody been in the same position and can offer any advice or tips...............any info will be appreciated...........thanks

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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 02 June 2012 at 19:19

I don't have any references for you, but you might ask some of the people in the immediate vicinity of where you intend to construct who their builder was (whose homes you think seem to be well constructed).  Aside from that, perhaps drive around in a wider perimeter of say 5km, and see what projects are going up that appeal to you; the builder should have their info posted at the site.

The only tip I have is about payments.  Divide the project up into significant stages, such as (1) foundation laid, (2) walls up and wiring/plumbing set, (3) roof up and tiles laid (4) walls stuccoed, (5) completion.  That's assuming you're doing traditional Brasilian tijolo construction.  In the case above you'd pay 18% of the total project at the completion of steps 1-4, and then 28% at the end.  You want to keep the builder 'hungry', so to speak.

If he's going to control the material ordering and purchasing, you can expect to pay him an additional 10%, based on the total costs of the materials.  But he most likely gets a 10% discount at the construction supply places he buys from, so this 10% payment should be a wash.  Just be sure to have him run the orders through you first.  I had the builder of a project place the orders for materials, but then the company would email me an invoice, which I'd pay by a DOC on-line (you'll need the company's bank info and CNPJ to do this, which they're all happy to provide).

I recommend you make that additional 10% payment at the very end, and not along the way.  Of course, if you feel competent in knowing how to calculate and order the required number of tijolos, sacks of cement, cubic m2 of sand, argamassa, brita, quantity and dimensions of lumber, etc, then no need for you to pay this 10%.  Lastly, be sure you get notas fiscais for big expenditures!

Boa sorte!

EDIT: Hopefully, you can observe the progress of the work on a regular basis.  If after the first few weeks, things seem to be going well, I heartily recommend you stop by each Friday afternoon (if possible), and drop off some beer for the workers (a six-pack for each), and actually tell them you appreciate their good work.  Doesn't need to be Bohemia, Skol will do.  Yeah, this goodwill gesture will brand you as a stupid gringo, but trust me, they will greatly appreciate this, and will go the extra mile for you!  Once the project is completed, provide the goods for them to make a simple churrasco at the construction site (with more beers)....

EDIT#2:  Be sure you have something about 'change orders' in the contract with the builder, because there will undoubtedly be things you want to alter along the way.  Have the builder print you up a separate quote for each change you want to make (two copies, which you both sign).  These should be paid along with the regular payments, as suggested above, depending what category (stage of construction) the change order entails (have that spelled out in the contract with the builder).  If the change you want to make is minor, this is where your goodwill gesture of bringing beer on Fridays comes into play.  The change will probably be done at no extra charge!  Wink



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Quote Captain Ron Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 09:21
That is some of the best advice I have read on building construction. Thanx Gringo.Floripa.
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Quote mark k Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 10:24

Thanks for the tips.............very much appreciated,

There is alot of building going on in the condominio i have bought as well as the surrounding area......but what i have a concern about is the fact that as everybody knows....when there is a gringo involved in any form of business transaction here the price always seems to be more.....I think i will have to get my wife to do all the investigation as far as the construction goes.........then after a contract and price has been set i can come into the picture....this is more or less what i did when i bought the land
I actually used your tip on the drinks idea when i bought the land.....I felt bad for the corretor because i was getting him to take me to see so many various terrenos, and some of them i saw 2 or 3 times........i know that this is his job and he earns a commission  but i still gave him a bottle of Jack Daniels and after that he could not do enough for me...he has since called and said that he can help with constuction companies......I am still not sure though i reckon i would be better off using my wife to deal with constuction companies that have no knowledge of a gringo being involved
or am i being to paranoid
What do you think ??
 
 
 
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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 10:38

My pleasure!

Thought of one other thing where the actual construction is concerned, painting, which should fall under stage #5, Completion.

There will be (should be) a lag time between when all the walls are stuccoed, inside and out, and when they'll be painted.  There should be a minimum of 30 days, so as to allow the reboco (stucco) to properly cure.  Your builder might proceed to begin another project during this period.  This is why you keep the last payment larger than the other payments, to assure he'll be back!  Be sure to ask the builder if this is standard procedure for him, to wait 30 days before painting the raw stucco.  If not, have that spelled out in the contract.

Don't skimp on these steps for painting, or you will regret it later.  After at least 30 days have passed, have two coats of selador applied, inside and out.  This will absorb into the concrete and allow further coats to adhere better to the raw concrete.  Then apply 1-2 coats of fundo preparador.  The builder may balk at this step, because fundo preparador is usually applied on older painted surfaces, before repainting.  Yet by applying the FP as well as the selador, you're going to have an excellent guarantee that humidity will be kept out of the walls.  This is especially important for the outside painting process.

If costs are a concern, you could skip applying the FP on the interior walls, but it really is worth the extra expense.  After these steps comes the actual paint.  For the exterior, choose a brand that offers a paint with elastic properties, which will provide further water-proofing.  House paint in Brasil is of a much inferior quality, and you'll probably need 3 coats for a quality finished look, but could get by with two coats.  It really depends on how much the painters dilute the paint.  The more they dilute it, the easier it is for them to apply, but the less actual paint you have on the walls.

On the interior, try to be there the day the painting starts.  Painting by using a roller, the proper procedure is to paint 'W's vertically and horizontally, and then fill in the gaps.  In other words, in a random manner.  I initially saw the guys going carefully up and down only with the rollers, matching the seams, which leave a vertical pattern on the wall.  Yeah, yeah, stupid gringo wants us to paint in Ws, but he brought us beer at the end of each week, so let's humor him....

If you have any exterior wood, I suggest you first have them coat the raw wood once with oleo de linhaça (linseed oil), then apply a product called Osmocolor (two coats minimum).  DO NOT apply verniz (varnish), or you will have flaking in less than two years time!

EDIT: Most likely all the brushes, rollers, etc. will be your expense.  INSIST to the builder that you want these items properly cleaned on a daily basis!  Since these tools don't belong to the painters, they think nothing of leaving a brush or roller to dry full of paint, expecting you to purchase another one.  Buy lower quality brushes and rollers for the initial coats, and then better quality for the final coat.






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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 10:47
Originally posted by mark k

I am still not sure though i reckon i would be better off using my wife to deal with constuction companies that have no knowledge of a gringo being involved or am i being to paranoid.  What do you think ??


No, you're not being paranoid.  A wise approach, yet I think in this instance you do it together, but play the good cop/bad cop game.
Can your wife be good at playing a mean b*tch? (don't answer that).

Construction crews know all too well that women are emotional, not rational (sorry gringas, no offense intended), so let her be the complainer, and you the peacemaker (with offerings of beer even).  She can be the one that says something is too expensive, "no way are we paying this price", "this was done wrong!", etc.  The builder will know you'll need to find a middle ground to keep her happy, and he'll also want to keep her happy!  Wink


EDIT: Obviously, you don't get estimates from just one builder.  You need at least three (then you'll be able to tell if one is really trying to scam you).  Also, have your real estate agent buddy access a site called CCfacil, and pull reports on both the CPF and CNPJ of the respective builders.  A full report only costs R$17.  A worthwhile expenditure!

(If you happen to have your own CNPJ, you can access CCfacil yourself)




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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 11:27

One more thing about humidity in the walls....  Before they begin to lay the first row of tijolos, be sure some sort of moisture barrier is applied to the foundation, where the course of blocks will run.  At minimum, apply an asphalt-type paint, but the better option is a roll of asphalt-like material, which will be applied along the perimeter of the foundation, and then the blocks go on top on that.  This prevents humidity in the foundation from wicking up into your walls.

EDIT:  When they go to construct interior walls, do the same thing!




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Quote nikkij12185 Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 13:50
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

Originally posted by mark k

I am still not sure though i reckon i would be better off using my wife to deal with constuction companies that have no knowledge of a gringo being involved or am i being to paranoid.  What do you think ??


No, you're not being paranoid.  A wise approach, yet I think in this instance you do it together, but play the good cop/bad cop game.
Can your wife be good at playing a mean b*tch? (don't answer that).



This also works in asking around for recommendations. The men are more brag and show off the wonderful work they had done on their homes.   The wives are more likely to air their complaints among themselves and show each other the "mistakes" they found with the work, and gripe about it.

If their is a lot of work being done in your area, have you wife make friends with the biggest gossiper.  Provide her with wine and she will tell your wife all of the good and bad construction jobs that have been done.

Have your wife introduce herself and visit the homes of those who were rumored to have had the best jobs done.  Have the woman show you what they did/how it looks. Bring the gossipy neighbor, if possibly, so they can help you ask about the prices for everything.  Get the contact info for the guys they used.  Knowing what they have done, how long it took and how much they charged someone else will help give you a better base line in negotiations.
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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 15:17
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If their is a lot of work being done in your area, have your wife make friends with the biggest gossiper.  Provide her with wine and she will tell your wife all of the good and bad construction jobs that have been done.

Have your wife introduce herself and visit the homes of those who were rumored to have had the best jobs done.  Have the woman show you what they did/how it looks.  Bring the gossipy neighbor, if possibly, so they can help you ask about the prices for everything.


LOVE IT!!!  LOL  LOL  Clap


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Quote mark k Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 16:54

Thanks people for all the advice , it has been very helpful and Gringo.Floripa your construction advice has been very very helpful.

 
Very manipulative advice from you nikkij12185.........i think its great, thanks.....like the way your mind works..........and believe me when i say that my wife thinks its a great idea as well, she will enjoy the whole thing ........just like a scene from a novela is what she said to me
 
 
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