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sven
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 10:20

Fascism is based on a people's identity. It's a political Ideology based on authoritarianism. Germany in the second world war was ruled by hitlers national SOCIALIST party. Obviously the social part only applied to the arian people.

It's a left wing political orientation with some extreme right wing views, as it's extremely biased towards those that doe not belong in the group.

Even now, skinheads in Germany promote a socialist Germany, but only for Germans.

The "Estado Novo" (brazil) was based on fascist principles. Getulio even sent Olga Benário Prestes to Germany to be killed in the camps.

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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 21:47

Originally posted by Megabyte

Ok... maybe I'll have to think deeply of this. Where does your definition of facism come from? Which author / book / site?

No one in particular just reading and studying it on the internet over time. I have always been intrigued by ideologies and the popular misconception that the Nazis were rightwing even though they were the National Socialist German Workers party -NAZI.

And how people made the distinction between Nazism and Stalinist Communism, the only reason they were enemies was because Hitler attacked Soviet Russia, up until then Stalin was sending the Nazis supplies to fight the west at the expense of his own peoples lives.

I also forgot to mention the Japanese also in Brazil, remember Japanese Imperialism also Fascist.

I was talking to a Japanese guy in the UK afew years ago and i mentioned how there were afew Japanese people in Brazil, he mentioned the war.

Edited by Amsterdam - 03 May 2012 at 09:44

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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 13:07

Originally posted by Megabyte

Originally posted by Triste

Quase encerrei o tema hoje... mas soube mais uma do Brasil xenofóbico: http://www.cienciasemfronteiras.gov.br/web/csf

Para escrever nesta programa de estudos no exterior - são oferecidos 5,8 mil bolsas para este ano (até 2015 - 101 mil bolsas) - primeira exigência: SER BRASILEIRO.
Enfim, uma pessoa que vive no Brasil desde 1 mes de idade, estudou nos colégios brasileiros e estuda na universidade brasileira - pretendendo morar no Brasil sempre e que tem VISTO PERMANENTE para resto da vida - não tem direito de se inscrever nesta programa...
Só para ter ideia: nos países descentes (p.ex. Alemanha) dão bolsas exclusivamente pelo MÉRITO - um estrangeiro, com visto nem permanente - somente com visto temporário, de estudante pode ganhar qualquer bolsa de estudos, inclusive tão concorrida como Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung.
Alguém tem dúvida sobre xenofobia do Brasil?

"Die Spreu vom Weizen trennen"

Excuse me, but what are you talking about? Never mind this site is called "Science without borders" and it is available in 3 languages. I have searched on this site for requirements, and they don't list you have to be born here. When the requirements for post-graduation are listed, for instance, this is what I get (ironically, in Portuguese only:)

Originally posted by Ciências sem fronteiras

2. Requisitos do candidato e critérios de seleção

a) Ser brasileiro ou estrangeiro com visto permanente no Brasil;

b) Residir no Brasil, exceto em condições excepcionais, previamente autorizadas pelo Programa Ciência sem Fronteiras . A justificativa deve ser encaminhada junto com o projeto.

So, one of the requirements for post-graduation outside Brazil is that you're either Brazilian or a foreigner with a permanent visa and that you're living here. The goal of the project is also to attract foreign students here through exchange.

No programa de graduação:
http://www.cienciasemfronteiras.gov.br/web/csf/graduacao

Graduação
Quem pode Participar:
O candidato deve cumprir com os seguintes requisitos: --SER BRASILEIRO OU NATURALIZADO;
Estar regularmente matriculado em instituição de ensino superior no Brasil em cursos relacionados às áreas prioritárias do Ciência sem Fronteiras;
Ter sido classificado com nota do Exame Nacional do Ensino Médio - ENEM - com no mínimo 600 pontos;
Possuir bom desempenho acadêmico;
Ter concluído 20% do currículo previsto para o curso de graduação.

Não adianta muito se "naturalizar" - pela lei, o pedido de naturalização pode ser feito a partir das 18 anos de idade e demora em média 3 anos.
Uma pessoa entra na faculdade com 17 anos, no segundo ano pede uma naturalização.... Quando se torna "brasileiro naturalizado" - ja terminou faculdade - tudo é bem pensado...

"Die Spreu vom Weizen trennen"

Edited by Triste - 04 May 2012 at 13:09

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Megabyte
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 14:49

Triste, eu procurei por uma forma de resolver o problema, e aparamente um menor pode conseguir a naturalização antes dos 18 anos através da "naturalização extraordinária". Para isso, ele precisa viver 15 anos no país. Usando esse recurso, ele teria que morar aqui logo após nascer, mas já é alguma coisa. Eu teria que ver se existe algum outro recurso para outros casos (um filho de brasileiro que vem morar aqui com 6 anos, por exemplo), mas isso já é um grande avanço:

Link:
http://www.correadesouza.adv.br/Escrit%C3%B3rio%20de%20Advogados%20em%20S%C3%A3o%20Paulo/naturalizacao/

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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 14:53

Originally posted by Amsterdam

Originally posted by Megabyte

Ok... maybe I'll have to think deeply of this. Where does your definition of facism come from? Which author / book / site?

I also forgot to mention the Japanese also in Brazil, remember Japanese Imperialism also Fascist.

I was talking to a Japanese guy in the UK afew years ago and i mentioned how there were afew Japanese people in Brazil, he mentioned the war.

Well, ok then. According to Wikipedia, you're almost right: a facist country can exist independent of left or right ideologies. However – and here's the "almost" part – for a country to be perfectly facist, you need to have an eugenics program. So, the only time Brazil could be considered loosely facist was during the 1940s, when Getúlio Vargas was president / dictator, as he had ideals to "whiten" our dark-skinned population, so they would be made "more intelligent, prettier," and so forth. There are other things missing, too: our country didn't want to declare war during that time to neighboring countries (facism openly encourages war), and there was no clear policy on physical education directed to that goal as far as I know.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facism

Edited by Megabyte - 04 May 2012 at 14:56

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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 14:56

Originally posted by Amsterdam

I also forgot to mention the Japanese also in Brazil, remember Japanese Imperialism also Fascist.

Ermmm, well... the bulk of the Japanese that came to Brasil did so a little over 100 years ago. Their arrival was precipitated by two events, the abolishment of slavery in Brasil, and the end of a feudal society in Japan. Poverty in the rural areas of Japan caused people to seek a better life elsewhere, via emigration. Because they no longer had slaves as a commodity, the coffee plantations had a shortage of laborers. The governments of Japan and Brasil signed a treaty permitting Japanese migration to Brasil in the early 1900's, waaaay before Fascism had even begun to incubate in the Land of the Rising Sun.

It is also erroneously believed by many that the Germans in the south of Brasil arrived as Nazis seeking refuge. Yet actually, the principal wave of German migration to Brasil occurred in the late 1800's.

I might bark, but I don't bite.

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Megabyte
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 15:02

Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

Originally posted by Amsterdam

I also forgot to mention the Japanese also in Brazil, remember Japanese Imperialism also Fascist.

Ermmm, well... the bulk of the Japanese that came to Brasil did so a little over 100 years ago. Their arrival was precipitated by two events, the abolishment of slavery in Brasil, and the end of a feudal society in Japan. Poverty in the rural areas of Japan caused people to seek a better life elsewhere, via emigration. Because they no longer had slaves as a commodity, the coffee plantations had a shortage of laborers. The governments of Japan and Brasil signed a treaty permitting Japanese migration to Brasil in the early 1900's, waaaay before Fascism had even begun to incubate in the Land of the Rising Sun.It is also erroneously believed by many that the Germans in the south of Brasil arrived as Nazis seeking refuge. Yet actually, the principal wave of German migration to Brasil occurred in the late 1800's.

Exactly what you said, except for one thing: there was a second German small imigration movement to Brazil during / after WWII, and a few nazi people came to live on colonies. However, nearly all of them were ashamed of that, and there was even a case documented on our local newspaper of a guy that buried nazi symbols deep down his yard (on a chest, if I remember it right.)

It's kinda paradoxical, though: why were these people too ashamed to show nazi symbols, but not willing to destroy them? They were in German colonies anyway, and even among non-Germans, Jews weren't viewed nicely in Brazil during WWII, even though Brazil officially was on the US' side.

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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 15:07

Originally posted by Megabyte

Exactly what you said, except for one thing: there was a second German imigration wave to Brazil during / after WWII, and a few nazi people came to live on colonies.

Compared to the numbers which arrived in the late 1800's, post WW2 arrivals were more an infusion of refugees, and not a migratory wave. Yet because German colonies already existed, yes, easy for a few war criminals to 'disappear' (as did quite a few in the US too).
Yet Argentina seemed to be their preferred destination.

Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 04 May 2012 at 15:08

I might bark, but I don't bite.

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Megabyte
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 15:24

Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

Compared to the numbers which arrived in the late 1800's, post WW2 arrivals were more an infusion of refugees, and not a migratory wave. Yet because German colonies already existed, yes, easy for a few war criminals to 'disappear' (as did quite a few in the US too).Yet Argentina seemed to be their preferred destination.

Sure. My point is that chances are they wouldn't be mobbed or put on trial here even if they decided to show their nazi symbols. That's why I think this paradox is very intriguing: why a few of them they decide to bury those symbols in their yards, but not to destroy them outright? Did they realize they made a mistake, and those symbols were there so they wouldn't forget about what they did?

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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 17:21

Well, the swastika isn't even a Nazi simbol. It's a simbol from the hindu religion it basically means something like "eternity".

The iron eagle is the traditional german eagle.

The SS simbol is an ancient rune that means victory.

So what "nazi" symbols would that be?

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