Originally posted by cara0910 Do you know what a counterpoint is? I think you may be mistaken. See, I posted an article about a ruling which deemed it LEGAL. An article showing that child prostitution is growing in the US is actually on its face quite irrelevant to the question of whether Brazilian courts should condone any act of child prostitution.

Yes, I do know what a counterpoint is.  Yet evidently, you're incapable of recognizing when someone is pushing your buttons.

If you're gonna 'dish it out', then you need to learn to take it querid@.

Again, for you to initiate a thread on such a subject like this (given your 'history'), you're merely seeking a reaction.  THANKS for providing me with your reaction.  I enjoyed that. 

What do you do, troll, er, I mean trawl for unflattering articles about Brasil to post?!?

BTW... this particular case/subject was already discussed in a previous thread, and Sven provided the same insightful legal perspective then, as he did now.  Your post here and now is simply a bromidic sermon.

Boa noite....




Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 20 April 2012 at 09:18

Originally posted by cara0910 What constitutes violence according to the law?

Depends. Someone taking your cell phone from your hands is considered violence so the crime would be assault and not theft. In case of rape it could be as simple as holding someone down. Doing yes while the victim says no.

Because its so complicated the crime of statutory rape now exists which takes away the possibility of the defense in a case like this. 13 years and 355 days old-> rape.

It's not my position. It's the position of the law. As a lawyer I can argue both positions quite well.

I totally agree with you that the law was quite wrong, but the courts decision was 100% according to the law.

Originally posted by cara0910 QUE VERGONHA http://www.economist.com/node/21552201 Prostitution in Brazil The wrong signal A court decides some children are less equal than others Apr 7th 2012 | SÃO PAULO | from the print edition TO HAVE sex with young girls, said Brazil’s highest criminal court on March 27th, is “immoral and reprehensible”. But a man who had sex with three 12-year-olds in 2002, it decided, had committed no crime. Since 2009 the age of consent in Brazil has been 14, but at the time there was merely a presumption that sex with a child below that age involved violence and should therefore be regarded as rape. Reversing a previous ruling by other members of the Higher Court of Justice (STJ), the judges decided that this presumption could not be absolute, but must stand or fall on the facts of each case. In this case, all three children worked as prostitutes. The mother of one had previously told a lower court that her daughter often missed school to join the other two turning tricks in the town square. That showed that the girls were “far from innocent, naive, ignorant or ill-informed about sexual matters,” the judges said. Whether they were mature enough to consent had to be decided with reference to their wide sexual experience, not just their age. The judgment has provoked uproar. A congressional committee said it violates children’s constitutional rights, perhaps opening the way for referral to the supreme court. The government will seek to reverse the ruling’s effect. The president of the STJ has offered to take another look, though he warned that the judgment was technical and based on the law as it stood. In this section Santos v Uribe »The wrong signal Error message Reprints Child prostitution generally starts with rape, points out Atila Roque of Amnesty International. The child is often forced into the work. He worries that the judgment could weaken children’s legal protections. “The judges decided that a child who has been brutalised becomes freer to make sexual choices,” he says. “So a child prostitute is somehow no longer a child.” Some of the outrage is misplaced, says Juliana Belloque, a public-defence lawyer in São Paulo. “People have the idea that the court has decided that prostitutes cannot be raped. That’s not right.” Tackling child prostitution is a matter of enforcing laws that make it a crime to persuade or force under-18s into selling sex, she says. Under-age prostitution is very common in Brazil. Research in 2006 by the University of Brasília, the federal government and Unicef found children and adolescents selling sex in nearly 1,000 municipalities, a sixth of the total. Seaside cities such as Fortaleza, Recife and Rio de Janeiro are hotspots, as are ports and border towns. In 2007 the federal traffic-police said they knew of nearly 2,000 roadside locations where sex with children was for sale. Ahead of the 2014 football World Cup and 2016 Olympics, the tourism ministry is promoting Brazil’s beaches, food and biodiversity. But the ministry says research into which websites were using its trademarks quickly turned into an attempt to stop many of them promoting Brazil as a destination for sex tourism. It has written to the webservers hosting 1,770 sites asking them to take down such material. It made this public on the same day as the STJ’s judgment muddied the message.

IN that case if girls age 18 then without her permission it not be Rape right .Brazil tourism make most of the profit due to prostitution .Wait for worldcup 2014

Originally posted by frank4000 not sure why one would place this discussion under romance. On topic however it is sad thing, but what are you going to do about it?

Well, the story says that a man found romance with a 12-year-old prostitute and it was LEGAL.

What am I going to do about it? In Brazil? Nothing, besides spread information, that's the most I can do.

I have no capacity to fix anything in Brazil, so, I work to better things in my home country.





Edited by cara0910 - 23 April 2012 at 19:01