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    Posted: 18 April 2012 at 17:12
Hello,
 
I have posted a couple topics about moving to Brasil with regards to teaching english and working as a hotel engineer. What i really would like is some honest advice and guidance without the sarcasm which i have read on here before.
 
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My wife and I want to move to Brasil (she is Brasilian from Ribeirao Preto, SP & i am South African) with our 9month old son. We currently live in England. I am a Supervisor in hotel Engineering for Marriott Internation and my wife is a F&B Manager for the same company.
 
Once all visas are applied for we want to go live in Brasil, i am not worried about crime (im south african, probably worse than Brasil) or the corrupt government and long winded procedures for everything (again i'm south african, just as bad). The reason for the move is that we would like an outdoor and friendly society to bring up our child, not this english culture. I have visited Brasil on a few occasions and love the people, culture and foooood!
 
So what i am really asking is what advice can you give me in looking for work and places to live. I have a part degree(level 2) in electrical engineering and many years experience in luxury yacht fairing/finishing. I have done a couple short courses in TEFL teaching as well. Ideally we would like to live anywhere from Belo Horizonte and southwards.
 
Our ideal job would be opening our own Pousada while teaching English at the same time. Teaching the local people free to gain trust and acceptance would be a plan too. Has anyone opened there own pousada who could give us advice?
 
I appreciate that maybe our plan is not thoroughly thought through but it is happening and we are looking forward to the challenge.
 
Thanks
Scott
 
 
 
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Quote cara0910 Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2012 at 17:31
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Hello,
 
I have posted a couple topics about moving to Brasil with regards to teaching english and working as a hotel engineer. What i really would like is some honest advice and guidance without the sarcasm which i have read on here before.
 
Background info:
My wife and I want to move to Brasil (she is Brasilian from Ribeirao Preto, SP & i am South African) with our 9month old son. We currently live in England. I am a Supervisor in hotel Engineering for Marriott Internation and my wife is a F&B Manager for the same company.
 
Once all visas are applied for we want to go live in Brasil, i am not worried about crime (im south african, probably worse than Brasil) or the corrupt government and long winded procedures for everything (again i'm south african, just as bad). The reason for the move is that we would like an outdoor and friendly society to bring up our child, not this english culture. I have visited Brasil on a few occasions and love the people, culture and foooood!
 
So what i am really asking is what advice can you give me in looking for work and places to live. I have a part degree(level 2) in electrical engineering and many years experience in luxury yacht fairing/finishing. I have done a couple short courses in TEFL teaching as well. Ideally we would like to live anywhere from Belo Horizonte and southwards.
 
Our ideal job would be opening our own Pousada while teaching English at the same time. Teaching the local people free to gain trust and acceptance would be a plan too. Has anyone opened there own pousada who could give us advice?
 
I appreciate that maybe our plan is not thoroughly thought through but it is happening and we are looking forward to the challenge.
 
Thanks
Scott
 
 
 


As an ESL teacher, you will likely make less than 3,000 reais per month.

Why don't you look for an online job in another country and do it that way?
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2012 at 18:17
There are some luxury yacht builders in Brazil. Find out where they are.
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Quote finrudd Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2012 at 18:21
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The reason for the move is that we would like an outdoor and friendly society to bring up our child,


Outdoor generally means away from the larger cities, where outdoor will be mostly on a balcony, if you have one, especially if you are looking at working in International hotels.

Originally posted by sb8enzo8

Ideally we would like to live anywhere from Belo Horizonte and southwards.


That's a big area - I would try and narrow it down perhaps, especially when job hunting. Again, with international hotels you are looking at Rio & Sao Paulo. I cannot think of any international hotels in BH, or south of Sao Paulo (Not counting Accor hotels, as they are locally run and managed, and assuming the Crowne Plaza Curitiba closes)

Originally posted by sb8enzo8

Our ideal job would be opening our own Pousada while teaching English at the same time. Teaching the local people free to gain trust and acceptance would be a plan too. Has anyone opened there own pousada who could give us advice?


Now that is a good idea - if you have the money to buy some land with a house that can be developed, you could achieve your primary goal from this, but again, really depends what area you are in. A rural pousada could be a good option - between you and your wife you will know the hospitality business fairly well, if my memory of Marriott training serves me well (my wife and I also both worked for Marriott in London) and that could differentiate you from the scores of Pousada owners who just think 'I've got a big house - I can be a hotelier' and get it soooo wrong..

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Quote finrudd Replybullet Posted: 18 April 2012 at 18:22
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There are some luxury yacht builders in Brazil. Find out where they are.


There's one off Raposo Tavares in SP, just after the Pedagio around KM45 I think. I will look for the name.
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Quote Jully Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2012 at 00:25
There is one near Florianópolis, in Palhoça. Their website: http://www.schaeferyachts.com.br/

Technicians and engineers are sorely lacking in Brazil, you probably do well in the area.

I would advise you not to open your own business of any kind before you've lived here a few years. The whole process is painful to say the least, and it would be better if you had some country experience first.
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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2012 at 11:54
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There is one near Florianópolis, in Palhoça. Their website: http://www.schaeferyachts.com.br/


Also, 'up the road' in Balneário Camboriú, there are some yacht dealers.

@Scott:  I've mentioned this previously... there are some beach towns south of Florianópolis (Garopaba/Imbituba/Laguna), which I believe are ripe for further development.  Garo perhaps less so, because it's been 'discovered' already, yet still, more opportunities exist in this stretch south, than in Floripa proper, and northwards to Curitiba, be it a pousada, or another tourist-related enterprise.  The stretch of BR101 south of Floripa, which passes through these towns, is almost completed with major renovation of the highway.  I predict this will assist further development in those areas.

As for hotels, Accor (which someone else already mentioned), seems to be the mainstay of choices in Floripa; Soffitel, Mercure, Ibis, F1, are their brands.  Yet there is also a company out of Curitiba called Slaviero.  They are rapidly expanding throughout Brasil.  They just constructed a new property in Palhoça (where the yacht company Jully mentioned is located).  Like Accor, they have a range of brands, high end, to budget.  Every time I've visited Curitiba, I've stayed at a Slaviero hotel, and have yet to be disappointed.




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Quote kevbo Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2012 at 18:05
I think what it all comes down to is how much money you are going to be bringing with you.
I think unless you are very lucky, the chancs of sustaining a life style similar to the one you are probably used to in the UK ,working in a hotel or teaching english just isn't going to happen.However if you can invest in a pousada and use the teaching etc as a back up you have a chance.
I agree with GF regarding the area south of Floripa the problem however is the low season down here is so long.How many bookings would your pousada have in Apr-October.
If you have money and avoid the big cities Brazil is a great place to be.If not look elsewhere.
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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2012 at 21:06
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I agree with GF regarding the area south of Floripa the problem however is the low season down here is so long.  How many bookings would your pousada have in Apr-October.


For 'low season' (in the south of Brasil), I think one needs to focus on visitors from Canada, US, UK, and Europe.  Granted, people want to escape their winters, and enjoy warm weather in Brasil Dec-Feb, but the majority of people up north still have the bulk of their vacation time banked in Jun-Aug.  In fact, I have visitors come to Floripa in those months, which has moderate to cool temps (but not necessarily cold) precisely because they want to escape the sweltering heat of where they live in the northern hemisphere.

Also, just a few hours inland from the Sta. Catarina coast is the amazing and beautiful serra region.  Tourism is still in it's infancy there, and what presently exists is poorly done.  An enterprising gringo with an idea of what the foreign visitor expects, as for accommodations, and to a lesser extent, amenities, will have the local pousada proprietors eating their dust, and green with envy!

Also, while not common, but it does occur, the serra can have light snowfall Jun-Aug.  To leave a miserable 95F temp, with suffocating  humidity of a US summer, for a scene like this, indeed has an allure for certain travelers... usually savvy ones.

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Quote agri2001 Replybullet Posted: 20 April 2012 at 09:40
I agree especially if the owner makes some contacts in his home country with travel agents he can have himself a very lucrative enterprise.

i know of two gringoes, one in Natal and the other in Alagoas that bought pousadas that were so-so, refurbished them, and hooked up with travel agencies in their respective countries.
One is from Sweden and the other from Italy.

Both are highly successful.
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