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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2012 at 09:55
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A jump to 3.0 is not far-fetched, considering the assorted 'contagions' floating around.

Thanks to Coolbloo for this link:
A Fast And Furious Return To Reality: Spanish Stock Market Plummets By 12% In Two Days

Why might this come as surprise to anyone? In the name of sanity we are dealing with a European political problem, not an economic one. That problem is the Euro, exclusively.

During the last European summit, the 20th of its kind I believe, markets believed that the agreement to allocate €100 billion to Spanish banks was the cure-all. The markets loved it because this debt would be the responsibility of the banks and not the Spanish government and not adding to its sovereign debt – oh really? Ever heard of tunnel vision? And so who backs the Spanish banks? Eh, well… Opps, the bank’s stock plummets.

Then the Spanish Central Bank says that it needs €142billion for itself followed by another unofficial announcement that slightly in excess of €400billion will be required to bailout Spain. Meanwhile Spanish debt interest has reached a point beyond what is commonly regarded as unsustainable. Oh dear! What’ll we do know? Run away, run away! This is ineptitude on the grandest scale. Pity the Spanish people made victims by their politicians.

Brazil has the appearance of gold-standard stability relative to more than half of Europe and so why would the Real plummet in value next to these crumbling economies?



Commoonn... you don't actually believe it's really ineptitude, do you? Me at least, I think that Spanish politicians are trying to secure as much money as they possibly can for themselves.

After all, one of the best ways to conceal theft is by "playing dumb".


Given all we know regarding financial crime I suppose that it may be in the realms of possibility that the European Bailout Fund, the Central European Bank together with the International Monetary Fund will not monitor and audit the Spanish accounts, but this is very doubtful.

Certainly, bankers and politicians can be relied upon to ‘wet their beaks’ when a fresh influx of cash arrives, yet it should be remembered that bailout money comes from the collective of countries within the European Community and that most of those countries are, laughably, already near bankruptcy themselves and desperately in need of interest payments and repayment of the loans in due course; a bailout is not a gift and comes with strings attached. The eyes of the Spanish creditors; in this case fellow bankers and politicians, are bedfellows in the cunning arts of corruption and thievery are therefore poachers turned gamekeepers. Set a thief to catch a thief.    

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Quote agri2001 Replybullet Posted: 24 July 2012 at 11:47
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Given all we know regarding financial crime I suppose that it may be in the realms of possibility that the European Bailout Fund, the Central European Bank together with the International Monetary Fund will not monitor and audit the Spanish accounts, but this is very doubtful.

Certainly, bankers and politicians can be relied upon to ‘wet their beaks’ when a fresh influx of cash arrives, yet it should be remembered that bailout money comes from the collective of countries within the European Community and that most of those countries are, laughably, already near bankruptcy themselves and desperately in need of interest payments and repayment of the loans in due course; a bailout is not a gift and comes with strings attached. The eyes of the Spanish creditors; in this case fellow bankers and politicians, are bedfellows in the cunning arts of corruption and thievery are therefore poachers turned gamekeepers. Set a thief to catch a thief.    

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Esprit well put, as always, and case in point we all remember Bankia Bank and its former director Rodrigo Rato ( Rato, what an appropriate name as it means rat in Spanish)


Rato was the Spanish finance minister from 1996 to 2004. After his Popular party lost the election in 2004 he went on to head the International Monetary Fund. (gained invaluable experience there on how to steal, I am sure)
He became Director of Bankia and two days before the bank asked the Spanish taxpayers for a bailout he quit, but not before he was given €14 million in compensation, which of course he did not give back and nothing has been done to him because he has very powerful political friends in government to cover his miserable thieving ass.
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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 27 August 2012 at 18:03

It would appear that we are in ‘the silly season’ apropos serious politics, exchange rates and the approaching end of the world as we know it. The US is embroiled in its usual low-brow benign fascination with the approaching Presidential election. I’m no Obama fan but the prospect of America electing a bishop in a religion that takes a quantum leap in puerility over Christianity is a little worrying to say the least.

Then we have the continuing European debacle simmering on the backburner while the protagonists get a well-deserved suntan in holiday sunshine. Meanwhile China, just about to change its leadership, has slowed down to a comparative crawl because the nations that hitherto imported her products on the strength of borrowed money have maxed out their credit cards. Brazil waits nervously, as ever on the side-line, hoping, praying that God will sprinkle some happy dust that may instigate a little order and progress. Get ready for change…            

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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 27 August 2012 at 18:54

I did notice the rate ticked up slightly today to 2.03, but certainly not holding my breath for anything of significance to happen (dam* it!).  I'm already blue in the face from when we got a rise to 2.10 about two months ago, and then it went limp again.  Perhaps the dollar needs a good dose of Viagra!  LOL


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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 27 August 2012 at 21:03

With fluctuations of about 1% during the months of July and August the rate is essentially flat-lining. The western economies have maxed out their financial ability to consume; just like Mr Creosote. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH_12QWWg8    

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Quote spongebob Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2012 at 08:22
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I did notice the rate ticked up slightly today to 2.03, but certainly not holding my breath for anything of significance to happen (dam* it!).  I'm already blue in the face from when we got a rise to 2.10 about two months ago, and then it went limp again.  Perhaps the dollar needs a good dose of Viagra!  LOL


It could be worse, remember when we rode out those times when the dollar was in a free-fall to 1,50-something and then down to 1,60-something again a couple of years later? I've heard there's no such thing as a "triple bottom" in the case of the dollar, but I HAVE seen it before.

Thank GOD I make money here. I remember checking the rates every day and almost having a heart attack when it went below 2:1 years back. Not a pleasant feeling.

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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2012 at 10:20
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With fluctuations of about 1% during the months of July and August the rate is essentially flat-lining. The western economies have maxed out their financial ability to consume;

Given the sorry state of affairs on both sides of the north Atlantic Ocean, I think it's obvious the present tenant of the Casa Branca has 'requested' his European cohorts to keep their fingers in the dike a little bit longer.  Then once the dog and pony show, the bread and circus known as 'free elections' is over, I wouldn't be surprised if what happens then, makes 2008 seem like the Doldrums.


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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2012 at 10:59

Given the buoyant state of the markets and improving bank liquidity, helicopter Ben has no justification for further QE, yet conditions for allowing the pre-election White House incumbent to boast about the success of his administration are non-existent; healthcare is old news and not yet in evidence coupled with impotence to remedy a dysfunctional Congress and the rising deficit. Perhaps the US is hoping for someone to blink in Europe while they wait for the German High Court to decide whether or not the bailout and Euro printing is legal under their Constitution. There yet may be more road down which to kick the can of hopelessness, but surely the endgame is close to hand and the final realisation that borrowing to get out of debt is a nonsense and that the collective standard of living is being rebalanced; meaning almost everybody reading this will be poorer.  Pinch     

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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2012 at 11:23

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Quote spongebob Replybullet Posted: 28 August 2012 at 11:30
All of these economic "systems" are just and thin as air and one-pushed- button away from total collapse at any time. It's really all quite interesting: in the US, you have a few people at the top controlling everything. At that level and right below them, you have very powerful people that can commit crimes and never go to jail. They can sick their goons (the police force) on you at any time. There is rampant corruption at the top... things happen because they want them to happen, exist only because they want them to exist. At least corruption in Brazil is "fairer" and not limited to only mega-league players. Not that I like it because it costs me *more* money.

^^ Going back to the big players, if the "game" ever starts moving out of their favour, they will just change the rules. This is why I think having the gist of their "agenda" is much more important than going off of the fundamentals. This applies to the US, Europe, and everywhere else.

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