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BakerStreet
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Joined: 31 December 2011 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
![]() Topic: Moving to Rio starter kitPosted: 31 December 2011 at 05:24 |
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Hi,
After travelling the world and falling in love with Rio, I'm looking into whether it's possible to go live there as an English teacher. I've read a lot on this forum so I think I have things straight but please just help clarify one or two things for me. Desculpe if any of this is bloody obvious. 1) It's almost impossible to get a work visa, so my only real option is to come over on a tourist visa and do private tutoring work, under the table. Schools won't hire me without a work visa, so I will have to drum up the tutoring work myself, with flyers or through networking. 2) I can only stay for 180 days (90+90) on a tourist visa, so if I want to stay longer I will have to overstay (which costs R8 per day up to about R800 maximum, but has no other dangers (i.e. I will not get threatened with jail or banned from Brazil forever)). Or I can marry a local girl, or find a school that loves me so much they're prepared to sort through all the bureacracy of getting me a work visa. 3) I will need some savings to get me through the first few weeks/months, and shouldn't expect to leave with much or anything saved. Could I break even in, say, six months? 4)My passport was stamped out on September 25th 2011 so if I return before that date in 2012, each day counts twice towards my 180 limit (effectively, cos I will have used it in 2011 and 2012). is that all about right? Muyto obrigado! PS. I am British, 28, with a degree, and I intend to get a CELTA before starting too. PPS. I need to take prescription drugs. Without any legitimate residency, how would I see a (family) doctor to get a Brazilian prescription? Anyone know roughly what the one-off fee would be, and what other prescription fees might apply? |
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3casas
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Joined: 02 November 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Online Posts: 3594 |
![]() Posted: 31 December 2011 at 15:28 |
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it sounds like you have a decent hold on how it works. you could reach out to folks who live where you're going and see if you can get them networking for you (teaching work. i know i only refer to people who i can really recommend, i.e. people i've talked to and know they know their stuff) but even so, 6mo is not much time to get your networking done. you would probably do best having a school hire you (which, if you are on a tourist visa, and hire-worthy, they might). The problem is they will work you hard, you'll make crap money, and you might not enjoy your time here.
Seeing a private practice doctor is easy as pie. you can find discount clinics (around here, medprev or medassist, not sure if they are up in Rio) where you can see specialists for $50 or you can cough up more for private clinics. residency is not important, any doctor will see you. I guess my question for you is what are you coming here for? What is it you love about Rio? As someone who worked waaaaaaaay too hard as a teacher in several lovely cities, I'd encourage you to think hard about what it is you love and find a way to work those things into your daily life in Rio. It's easy to find yourself teaching 6 days a week and neglecting the capoeira/jazz music/beach appreciation that you came to the city for in the first place. Gotta live a little, know what I'm saying? |
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Kurtz
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Joined: 12 November 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 130 |
![]() Posted: 31 December 2011 at 20:01 |
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I know many Expats traveling to Brasil for many years, and they still can't get a resident visa. Teaching English is not easy, I think almost impossible to live a decent life in Rio on a teacher's wage unless you work for a huge wealthy company like PetroBras. Visiting Rio is not living there. Rio can be wonderful city to many and others cannot handle the noise, poverty, fast paced life and danger associated with living in one of the biggest cities in the world. Rio has a high trust issue. Nobody trust nobody and if you're a Foreighner, you must pass a lot of time to earn people's respect and trust. Also, I hate to admit this, but the middle to higher classes of Rio, they don't like to mingle with Foreighners. Not all but I think the majority. I lived in Leblon once for about 6 months & had great difficulty making friends with the higher classes. I presented myself well, I am in great shape for 50. Don't drink nor smoke and only speak to people I know, and have a lady friend of 6 years.
Living in Rio de Janeiro, Zona Sul is expensive, noisy and it's hard to meet people because people do not trust each other.
Even saying hello to a stranger could get you in trouble or a mean look.
This is my experience living in Rio de Janeiro. Edited by Kurtz - 31 December 2011 at 20:10 |
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BakerStreet
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Joined: 31 December 2011 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
![]() Posted: 01 January 2012 at 03:17 |
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Hi, thanks for the quick replies, especially about it being easy to see a doctor. I hadn't been able to find out about that anywhere else.
I'm not coming to Rio to make lots of money (if that was my priority I would move to South Korea), I'm coming to enjoy the city! Of course to be able to afford that I will have to teach English, but I have a little experience of that and I enjoyed it so that is totally fine. As I said, I will do a CELTA course too, so it's something I am pursuing long-term anyway. I know that living in Rio will be different from being a visitor but I am excited to give it a go. There will be an opportunity for me to leave after 7 months so, if things aren't going well, I could take that and leave. Hopefully I will have broken even by then, but if I am only close, it's not a disaster. If I am happy and things are going well, of course I will stay (as long as the punishment for overstaying is no harsher than r800 or so, right?). Edited by BakerStreet - 01 January 2012 at 04:29 |
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Gosteelers
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Joined: 24 February 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 129 |
![]() Posted: 01 January 2012 at 12:07 |
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Give a shot (not much to loose since you can go back any time you want)..and see if you like it.
Try to make as many contacts in Rio( especially in teaching profession) as much possible before coming. It will give you jumpstart. You must had realized by now that Rio is becoming a very expansive city.. Good luck!!
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Kurtz
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Joined: 12 November 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 130 |
![]() Posted: 01 January 2012 at 15:43 |
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From what I understand, only RJ, SP & perhaps Floripa are the main three expensive cities in all Brasil. That said, your hard earned USD or Euro can buy much more in BH, Recife, Brasilia, Goias, Natal, Fortaleza, etc. I think many Expats are looking elsewhere to live.
Edited by Kurtz - 01 January 2012 at 15:45 |
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Meredith81
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Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 292 |
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Your USD cannot buy you much in Brasilia. That's for sure. This city is OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive. |
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Gringodude
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Joined: 06 January 2009 Location: Cape Verde Online Status: Offline Posts: 1971 |
![]() Posted: 01 January 2012 at 18:02 |
This isn't just about Brazil, Ipanema/Leblon is a huge community. Most people do tend to format within their relative social network. That's a natural factor and I understand it completely. However I do disagree with the idea that they do not like foreigners. I strongly believe that has to do with what you're doing. If you're a young party animal it may be hard to connect and also time frame is important. Even in six months you could meet a few people, but it's not long enough to be considered a resident.... |
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Kurtz
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Joined: 12 November 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 130 |
![]() Posted: 01 January 2012 at 19:14 |
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My own personal experiences indicate that high class Brasilians, the majority, those Cariocas in Leblon, SC, Barra and Ipanema. Many simple do not like Foreigners because they see us coming to their city of Rio and treating it like a Panama City Spring Break. Many have the right to be upset ....and many are also jealous of people from more advanced countries like the U.S. and some parts of Europe, Asia, Australia, etc.
Recently, I had dinner at Galitos in Ipanema, alone at the Bar. At one table, there was about 8 backpackers, unshaven, looked like your typical young cheap Kids from US or Europe. All behaving fine, but 2 were smoking cigarettes. A sign on the inside wall stated NO SMOKING, but they were outside ... And I don't smoke and don't like smokers blowing it in my face.
After the smoke drifted to another table, a Brasilian woman about 38 years old, she was with 2 other Brasilian women, she stood up, and spoke loud accented English, telling the kids " This not your country, you can't smoke here. Go back your country, please you A--holes.
Now, imagine this happening in Miami, the U.S. .... American people telling a group of Cubans at a restaurant in Coral Gables, to go back their country and calling them derogatory name?
Try this. Ask your mid to high class Carioca friends, and look them in the eye, and ask if they really truly like Europeans or Americans. Most will say " No " without hesitation. And I'm not some 7 day jumper to Rio. I am 50 years old traveling to every part of Brasil since 1995. I've lived in three different cities. I would not waste my time posting if I had no experience in this arena.
I love Brasil and always will. But there are very real negatives to the culture if you are not one of them.
Edited by Kurtz - 01 January 2012 at 19:38 |
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Gringodude
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Joined: 06 January 2009 Location: Cape Verde Online Status: Offline Posts: 1971 |
![]() Posted: 01 January 2012 at 19:23 |
I have experiences to agree about judgement of American citizens, but lest forget there is some truth to it. The American reputation around the world isn't always of shiny and white. Specifically I don't have or issues fitting in around Ipanema. My social life has always been sufficient on my own or with my wife's friends. I think it should be brought into context that Zona Sul is a tourist community. Natural frustration is obviously going to exist. I don't know what your personal quarrel might be, but I'm sure there are plenty of stuck up people around here. I'm not saying that I haven't met unlikable individuals either. I find mostly from my experience that it's a jealousy factor, be it Brazilians can be quite jealous over anything! |
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