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Gringo.Floripa
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Joined: 17 June 2010 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 4564 |
![]() Posted: 28 December 2011 at 20:06 |
Austex, at this point I think you can forget "semana que vem"; begin embracing "após Carnaval". When you have a moment, could explain in more detail what your "whole house transformer" entails? Electrical schematics are not my thing, but what I've not been able to absorb from all of these discussions is that if in the US, 220v enters one's house from the street, but at the breaker panel it can be split into either half (110v) or left full current (220v), then why can't that be done here? I recall seeing (in the US) how only one side of certain breakers have a contact to the "power bar" inside the panel, but other breakers (such as for a dryer), have contacts on both sides of the breaker, which results in 220v. I wonder, if one were to bring their own panel and breakers, then is it possible to wire something similar??? Anyone... feel free to chime in. |
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austex
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Joined: 21 March 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 133 |
![]() Posted: 28 December 2011 at 20:58 |
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Oh, I've finally come to accept that the house will probably be done in March or after. I'll be ready to sell and get out of here about the time that its ready. I'd seriously sell if I thought someone would buy my 90% completed dual voltage house without doors and windows.
I'm not good with electrical stuff either. Whole house transformer to me only means that its big and wired to outlets around the house. 7.5 kva isn't huge enough to run everything 110v in the house, but I think we'll be okay if we are careful not to run the dishwasher, electric dryer, and microwave at the same time. From my layman's understanding of the electricity here, the wires are one hot 220v and one neutral as opposed to two 110v hots (like in the US?), which could be split. I don't think it has anything to do with the breakers. A hot wire of 220v can't be split into 110v. Something I should have added in my last post is that the two hot wires of 120v supplying the dryer outlet need to be on a double pole breaker so that they are out of phase. I don't know anything technical about that, but its information I expect the electrician to know. |
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coolbloo
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Joined: 03 September 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 208 |
![]() Posted: 29 December 2011 at 00:23 |
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I'm taking the same approach as Austex... whole house transformer with enough capacity to power all 110V electronics and appliances. Though I expect a 5KVA transformer to be sufficient 70% of the time -- both my wife and I work at home and use various high wattage appliances and electronics. My calculations say we'll need a 10KVA transformer to accommodate peak usage. The method I was originally presented with was to split that 10KVA load into two 5KVA transformers wired in parallel such that if one transformer malfunctions, the other can provide limited 110V power until the problem unit can be replaced.
Prior discussions about this approach observed that these transformers draw power from the 220V input feed, even when no appliances or electronics are being used in the home. It was noted that this could become expensive and that perhaps a better approach would be to use a smaller transformer that remains "on" but drawing very little power in "idle" mode -- supplemented by a large unit in tandem which remains "off", kicking on only when a device demands wattage in excess of the "small unit". I'm not sure if this method has the units wired in series, parallel or on separate circuits. I'm trying to find out from a friend with some real trade skills. Very curious query by G.F about the physical nature of the 220V feed into the home from the street and its apparent non-splitability (that can't be a word but you know what I mean). I'm also wondering about this. I was also about to buy an LG electric dryer but may opt for a gas dryer instead and other gas appliances as well. Hmmmmm.....
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austex
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Joined: 21 March 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 133 |
![]() Posted: 26 April 2012 at 14:05 |
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Our house is finally almost finished. I thought I had everything figured out about the electric dryer installation. The electricity had to be run through a transformer so that the energy would be stepped down to 120v, and then use two hot wires of 120v to form the 220v needed for the heating element. This is necessary because the electronics run off of 120v, and electricity here in SC is one hot wire of 220v. Also it would need to be installed on a two pole breaker. This is the information we got from out transformer maker in Floripa.
The electrician came by today and we asked him about the electric dryer plug. He said he think we might need three phase electricity for it to work. We have biphasic energy where I live. Can anyone with some knowledge of electrical engineering help me out with this? I tried contacting LG today to help, but they said they can't help with the plug outlet installation / electrical specifics, only problems with the dryer. They did give me a link to the service manual. http://service.velaro.com/transfer/svc-dlex2501,dlgx2502.pdf |
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zeezonyc
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Joined: 23 April 2012 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
![]() Posted: 26 April 2012 at 19:30 |
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Hello from another expat/Catarinense. I live in Itapema about 40 minutes from "Florianópolis". My house is full of transformers for my American 110 appliances. When I spoke to an electrician, he said that the house current can be changed. They refer to it as a "relógio". If you have that done, you'd have to discuss with the electrician the need for the two 220 appliances that you have. It's a mixed bag here in Brazil and some places are 110 and others 220. Take a look at this site:
http://www.htforum.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-96350.html |
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Itapema, Santa Catarina
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austex
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Joined: 21 March 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 133 |
![]() Posted: 26 April 2012 at 23:29 |
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Thanks for the reply. Did you bring an electric dryer? Do you have 1, 2, or 3 phase electricity? I already have transformer for the house hooked up. I really just need to know if two phase is a problem for the dryer.
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jacare
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Joined: 02 August 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 1090 |
![]() Posted: 27 April 2012 at 01:03 |
My God Man! Don't let the confused Brazilian electrician confuse you. This subject has been discussed on this forum and I thought resolved. IMHO you were on the right track with the information above. A) you will need (2) 120 hots to make 220 for heater coil. B) (1) 120 hot + 120 neutral to power motor. C) I would install a seperate, true, ground. (thus 4 wires: (2) 120 hots + (1) 120 neutral + (1) ground to ground rods. IMHO - I would connect to your installed (2) 120 circuit breakers like explained in section: 4 wire connection: Direct wire; page 9, downloaded svc-dlex... manual. (also helpful is wiring diagram on page 19) IMHO - you don't need tri-phase, you need two 120 volt circuits and breakers. Forget about changing the plug to make it work. If you want a dryer you can plug in, buy a Brazilian one. |
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austex
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Joined: 21 March 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 133 |
![]() Posted: 21 May 2012 at 15:08 |
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My electrician and transformer maker have talked and they agree that I need a biphase transformer. The one I bought for the house is monophase.
So I'm going to need to buy another transformer for the dryer. The transformer maker says I need a 7.5 kva transformer (R$900) just for the dryer because the manual says it needs a 30 amp plug. I called LG and asked what the wattage of the dyer is and they say 1800 watts. I hate to spend an unneeded R$900 to get my dryer working if all I need is a 2000 watt transformer. |
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Gringo.Floripa
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Joined: 17 June 2010 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 4564 |
![]() Posted: 21 May 2012 at 15:40 |
But now that winter is here, with the accompanying multiple damp and overcast days, which tends to cause things not to dry completely outside, the soft, fluffy, good smelling towels will be worth every centavo! |
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lardbird
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Joined: 24 February 2012 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
![]() Posted: 25 May 2012 at 09:02 |
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My experience with installing a US electric dryer in Sao Jose dos Campos....for whatever it may be worth to all you guys.
After. much deliberation with a friend back in the states who is a industrial electrician, we determined that our 220 here is genuine 3-phase, unlike 220 in residential apps in the states, where it is monophase, a hybrid of 110 lines off the main panel. With 3-phase, there was no Neutral line in the house for the 110 circuitry (control board and drum motor). But the two legs (118 each in my case) were fine for powering the heater elements. When I opened the cabinet on an exploratory mission, I was blessed to find a basic wiring diagram hidden inside from the factory. After several mark ups and emails of the diagram back and forth, we were able to isentify a point where we could split the 110 control/motor circuitry from the heater wiring. At the end of the day, I scrapped the expensive pre-fabbed cable I brought along from the states. Two legs of the back terminal on the machine are wired directly into two legs of the homes 220-3. The third terminal on the back is wired to a 110v transformer I brought along and serves as Neutral. Finally, a fourth wire was was pulled from inside the machine and wired to the other side of the 110 transformer plug. I need also to install a ground for safety. Two do this will require that I drill a hole in the floor and drive a ground rod in, as our older home here has no wiring for Terra. Will be happy to pass along photos of my installation if they are of value to anyone. |
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