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Quote Ramon Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:11
for many expats ,  brazil's high cost of living today is enof to make a guy look elswhere .  what u pay in rio one couild live in manhattan easily a nice little 1br with view of central park .
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Quote nikkij12185 Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:21
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MY experience is that the lower classes are the most honest.
 


They're just waiting for their chance to be theives.

Once, on a bus, I got a woman from a favela talking about corruption.  She told me she wished she had studied more and continued further in school because if she had, then she would try to get involved with the government so that she could steal tooConfused
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Quote larry123 Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:27
Megabyte:
 
Your comment is the most common sense advice I've read in quite a while. One cannot simply show up in a foreign country and expect the culture to conform to your own native culture.
 
I'm a native New Yorker and can roll with and relish differences in people and nationalities. Bottom line is a person has to comfortable with who they are and comfortable in their own skin. Accept the fact that Brazil, or Mars is not continental U.S. or Europe and deal with it. If a person can't deal with it..... then leave. And just as importantly, as you mentioned, damn it, learn the language. Don't expect everybody to speak English. As an expat, show respect and sensitivity... learn the other guy's language.
 
I might retire in Brazil in about (4) years. But, I'm not setting up shop there under any circumstances without fluency in Portugese.
 
Again, your advice is excellent.
 
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Quote larry123 Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:29
You're right , Ramon.
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Quote Megabyte Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:35
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Originally posted by FlyingGuy

MY experience is that the lower classes are the most honest.
 
They're just waiting for their chance to be theives.Once, on a bus, I got a woman from a favela talking about corruption.  She told me she wished she had studied more and continued further in school because if she had, then she would try to get involved with the government so that she could steal tooConfused


Cultural shock again. She was being bitterly sarcastic. It's like my father saying, "those churches earn so easily, so I'll open up my own church!"

Thing is, he could have actually have opened his own church and earned a lot of money. Churches pay no taxes in Brazil. Yet, he obviously didn't.
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Quote Megabyte Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:38
Originally posted by larry123

Megabyte:
 

Your comment is the most common sense advice I've read in quite a while. One cannot simply show up in a foreign country and expect the culture to conform to your own native culture.

 

I'm a native New Yorker and can roll with and relish differences in people and nationalities. Bottom line is a person has to comfortable with who they are and comfortable in their own skin. Accept the fact that Brazil, or Mars is not continental U.S. or Europe and deal with it. If a person can't deal with it..... then leave. And just as importantly, as you mentioned, damn it, learn the language. Don't expect everybody to speak English. As an expat, show respect and sensitivity... learn the other guy's language.

 

I might retire in Brazil in about (4) years. But, I'm not setting up shop there under any circumstances without fluency in Portugese.

 

Again, your advice is excellent.

 

Larry 


Thanks. To us, it's not really a matter of respect. It's ok if you can't manage to learn Brazilian Portuguese.

We're actually more concerned about yourselves, because if you plan to live here and don't speak fluently, you'll be clueless and defenseless on the street. I really can't    phantom you needing to go the supermarket everyday and needing a person to help you if you're hungry. This isn't life, really.

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Quote jkennedy Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:39
People don't seem to understand what can be a cultural difference.   My best example is the Arabs value trust worthiness, but not honesty.  The two go hand in hand for most of north America.  If you're dishonest, you're not trustworthy.  Done.   But because of the extreme pressures to save face in those countries, honesty doesn't hold the same values and it's not necessary to be honest to build trust.    It's a very difficult concept to accept for most.

Likewise, most people are okay with cultural differences that don't change their core beliefs of what is required to be a society.

People can't get around apparent friends taking advantage of them, especially when they're considered friends.  If someone takes advantage of you, you simply won't see a crowd ostracise that person.  They'll shrug it off and say "oh that's bad" but say they're family, what can you do.


There is just so much to do in Brazil, and so little time to do it all! Planning my next Brazil Vacation and the countdown has started!
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Quote Ramon Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:39
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They're just waiting for their chance to be theives.
 
 
i concur .  i made a new friend in rio some 4 years before .  he had a gold chain around his neck with jesus hanging from the cross .  al he did was speak about god , jesus , then one day my belongings were gone .  robbed of most all my possesions.  later , i discovered it was him .
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Quote jkennedy Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:46
The cultural difference there is that you would expect everyone to never talk to him again, but did that even happen?  That is the cultrual difference.    Having someone steal from you is one thing, for very little to happen to this person socially is where the cultural break down comes in.
There is just so much to do in Brazil, and so little time to do it all! Planning my next Brazil Vacation and the countdown has started!
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Quote Megabyte Replybullet Posted: 03 April 2012 at 17:49
Originally posted by Ramon

Originally posted by nikkij12185

They're just waiting for their chance to be theives.


 

 

i concur .  i made a new friend in rio some 4 years before .  he had a gold chain around his neck with jesus hanging from the cross .  al he did was speak about god , jesus , then one day my belongings were gone .  robbed of most all my possesions.  later , i discovered it was him .


How long did you stay with your "friend?" You know, just because he talk about god and Jesus it doesn't make him a good person.

In any case, you can't trust people right away. Pay attention to what they say. Listen to what they think about honesty – I don't mean you should automatically trust him when they say "oh, stealing is bad." But do notice if the people that you call "friends" buy stolen cellphones, for instance.
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