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Quote DUNGA Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2011 at 22:30
Well I guess Brazil is jumping on the bandwagon as well, increasing enforcement of an old law, just as in the case of the FBAR.

An article in today's papers:

BC fecha cerco a quem tem dinheiro no exterior

These requirements are for all Brazilian residents ... even the Dutch ...


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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2011 at 22:50
We already live in a global economy.  Global tax enforcement will merely become another aspect of it.

Besides, the (scary) implication that we will "carry" all of this info on/in our bodies soon, leaves little chance to fly under the radar.  Certainly I'm not the only one curious (and aprehensive) about the hand-scan apparatus which began appearing on Bradesco's ATM machines approx. two years ago.  Here in Floripa they are not activated, but they are omnipresent.

When you look at the design, it's intended to "read" something which will be located in the middle of your hand.  RFID technology is just a step away from being utilized on the masses.  I understand many high-ranking officials in the Mexican gov't are already "chipped" (to assist in their rescue, if kidnapped).

So when Esprit and Sven decide to make a visit back to their home country, while passing though Immigration Control, do they not think their data, which will include bank accounts, ALL accounts, everywhere and anywhere, will not be displayed for the immigration official to see???

Frankly, when this FATCA plan goes into effect in 2013, it just might be time to withdraw it all, buy a coconut plantation, and begin to barter for my needs and vices....

Thanks for that article 2a, I had not yet heard about this FATCA thing.  Confused




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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2011 at 01:48
Originally posted by DUNGA

Well I guess Brazil is jumping on the bandwagon as well, increasing enforcement of an old law, just as in the case of the FBAR.

An article in today's papers:

BC fecha cerco a quem tem dinheiro no exterior

These requirements are for all Brazilian residents ... even the Dutch ...


Although the article mentions Brazilians [nationals] without specifically mentioning foreign residents but, while avoiding the appearance of being pedantic, I imagine that the law also refers to such foreign residents. I believe this disclosure requirement of offshore assets came into being last year and should have been submitted by now. Therefore any US citizens that haven’t already disclosed their US or other offshore assets are similarly guilty and subject to the full force of Brazilian law and its penalties; the double edged sword of Damocles hovers overhead!

Last year discrete inquiries were made in Brasilia about the nature of the disclosure of offshore assets when the assurance was given that such information was “of an academic nature”, not taxation in a direct sense, yet would possibly affect the importation of ‘new’ money in the future. Any monies not declared or money in excess of the declaration would be viewed in a different light??? Call me cynical, yet I can’t envisage any taxman wasting time on academic information; they have a thirst for blood.

In the ever changing world, the loop holes are being legislated out of existence year on year such that new breeds of specialists are scouring for new holes and are charging yet more for their research. We fly in ever diminishing circles until we’ll finally disappear up our own holes. Cry          

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Quote DUNGA Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2011 at 02:42
CBE
"... declarações de Capitais Brasileiros no Exterior dos residentes no País detentores de bens e valores fora do território nacional, ..."

It has been discussed before on this forum.


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Quote DUNGA Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2011 at 02:53
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

We already live in a global economy.  Global tax enforcement will merely become another aspect of it.
Hardly a day goes by that a poster doesn't complain about not being able to transfer funds from the exterior with a click of the mouse at the home PC. How could anyone believe that the taxman lacks the technical ability to discover your bank accounts and assets. Has anyone heard of a credit check? The RF and IRS's only limitations are manpower.


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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 12 March 2012 at 13:24

He's baaaacck….

Yes, fellow Yankee gringos, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it's that time of year again… tax filing!

Part of filing a US tax return is checking that pesky box which asks for a simple Yes or No… if you have any foreign bank accounts, or signing authority for any, during the tax year you're filing for, which had an aggregate value of ten thousand US dollars or more, anytime during that tax year.  If so, then you not only check Yes on your 1040, but you're also supposed to file separately, what is called an FBAR (Foreign Bank Account Report)  The FBAR is not due until June, and is sent to the Treasury Dept, not the IRS.  BTW, if you file for an extension, the FBAR is still due in June.  A real PITA you say?  Wait… it get's better!

As has been discussed here on the forum the past several months, effective 2013, the US gov't is coming out with an "enhancement" to this reporting procedure.  Tio Sam will no longer rely on expats to declare any accounts they might have, but Tio is now going to lean on the foreign banks themselves, to cough up names (and I assume account values too) of any US citizen that has an account with their bank.  Should a foreign bank not comply, and they have a US presence (which virtually all foreign banks do), then they face a 30% withholding of any US earned income/assets.

For those of you who previously decided to file an FBAR, even if reluctantly, parabens.  If you haven't filed one (and fall within the parameters of needing to), then this is probably your last opportunity to 'come clean', and file an FBAR.  Once FACTA goes into effect next year, and the banks themselves (or even assorted foreign governments themselves) begin supplying the IRS and Treasury Dept names of expats with accounts… well, it's not yet determined what will happen.  But with all the lists being complied out there, I think this is one you want to avoid having your name on!

As I went to the IRS site to print off my FBAR form to send in, I learned something new.  As of July last year, it became possible to e-file your FBAR.  This is certainly a lot more convenient and secure way of sending your form.  Go to this link to learn how to file an FBAR electronically:  http://bsaefiling.fincen.treas.gov/Enroll_Individual.html
(Don't you just love the name of the site, "Financial Crimes Enforcement Network"?!?)    Confused

BTW, Euros, Brits, and other non-US Gringos… your peanut gallery comments about this subject have already been duly noted in earlier posts.  I think it's just a matter of time before your own 'homeland' governments begin to do similar, especially considering the insolvency of several EU member nations.  When, not if that happens, let's see if your attitudes are as cavalier as now....  Wink



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Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 12 March 2012 at 13:33

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Quote Catarinense Replybullet Posted: 12 March 2012 at 15:51
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

We already live in a global economy.  Global tax enforcement will merely become another aspect of it.

Besides, the (scary) implication that we will "carry" all of this info on/in our bodies soon, leaves little chance to fly under the radar.  Certainly I'm not the only one curious (and aprehensive) about the hand-scan apparatus which began appearing on Bradesco's ATM machines approx. two years ago.  Here in Floripa they are not activated, but they are omnipresent.

When you look at the design, it's intended to "read" something which will be located in the middle of your hand.  RFID technology is just a step away from being utilized on the masses.  I understand many high-ranking officials in the Mexican gov't are already "chipped" (to assist in their rescue, if kidnapped).

So when Esprit and Sven decide to make a visit back to their home country, while passing though Immigration Control, do they not think their data, which will include bank accounts, ALL accounts, everywhere and anywhere, will not be displayed for the immigration official to see???

Frankly, when this FATCA plan goes into effect in 2013, it just might be time to withdraw it all, buy a coconut plantation, and begin to barter for my needs and vices....

Thanks for that article 2a, I had not yet heard about this FATCA thing.  Confused

 
Yeah, I noticed those little red gadgets on the ATMs here at my local bairro Bradesco.  Have you seen them at work yet?
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Quote spongebob Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2012 at 18:14
wow.. I think this topic started BEFORE I was ever even aware of the FATCA and FBAR. On Dunga's link,

CBE - Capitais brasileiros no exterior

I'm not a Brazilian citizen yet. I'll talk to my accountant about this because I read that you have to file quarterly. What a PITA....


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Quote spongebob Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2012 at 18:17
Oh, I just read this:

"Atenção: Pessoas físicas e jurídicas residentes no País que têm, no exterior, ativos totais de valor abaixo de US$100.000.000,00 (cem milhões de dólares dos Estados Unidos) estão desobrigadas de prestar a declaração CBE Trimestral."

Hmm.. I'm just a few dollars short of a hundred million LOL (joke - I wish). I guess Twirly (or whoever said) that you have to declare quarterly.


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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2012 at 21:54
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa




...BTW, Euros, Brits, and other non-US Gringos… your peanut gallery comments about this subject have already been duly noted in earlier posts.  I think it's just a matter of time before your own 'homeland' governments begin to do similar, especially considering the insolvency of several EU member nations.  When, not if that happens, let's see if your attitudes are as cavalier as now....  Wink

Of course you have a legitimate point and those of us in the peanut gallery, whose home country’s outreach is not yet as nasty as that of the US, continue to enjoy our own hard earned money. However it should be borne in mind that not all of us organize our financial affairs in a naïve manner by keeping our wealth on a pedestal in full view; honest men are always the first to fall victim. The old adage informs us that we must set a thief to catch a thief. We are therefore forced to think like thieves if we are to avoid this ‘legal’ theft. “Out of my dead hand…”    

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