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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Topic: For all Yanks with bank accounts in Brasil
    Posted: 06 June 2011 at 12:21
This goes out to all Yanks who have bank accounts in Brasil (or elsewhere), which have an aggregate value over 10 thousand USD.  Don't be a dumb-ass Yank, and fail to file a report with the Treasury Dept. disclosing your account(s)!

Yes, I know, it sucks; IMO it's really none of their business; I personally hate doing it, but by failing to do so, you might find yourself landing in jail next time you fly back to the US.  I'm quite serious.

IRS Issues New Guidelines For Overseas Accounts

You have until August 31st of this year to voluntarily disclose any accounts you have been failing to report.  As for what happens after 31/08, I can only assume the bloodhounds will be released, and the hunt will be on.  Risky business, given the times in which we live....

The link below has the forms you need, as well as guidelines for filing the FBAR report.  You have until June 30th to submit the report regarding accounts you had in 2010.  The due date is the same every year; there's no extension.  BTW, you are NOT taxed on the money, you just need to disclose it.

Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBAR)


FYI, I disclose the amount of my balance on 31/12, determined by the forex rate on 31/12, NOT the "highest balance" (or best forex) at anytime during the calendar year, which would be too burdensome to calculate.


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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 12:39
Errr, so how would the IRS know how much you have in your overseas account without you informing this?
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Quote Kalle Anka Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 13:14
Yes, I know, it sucks; IMO it's really none of their business
I agree that it's none of their business.  What's more, they may consider any interest on such a hypethetical account as taxable unearned income which is not subject to the basic exclusion for taxes paid on earned income in Brazil paid to Brazil.  Why give them the rope they can hang you with?
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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 13:35
Originally posted by Kalle Anka

Why give them the rope they can hang you with?


Don't shoot the messenger!

If you're not still filing a US tax return, then you might not need to be concerned.  Yet if you are, there is the slight problem of a little box you're required to check, yes or no, which asks if you have any foreign accounts.  Caught lying, you can be in deep merda.  I was very serious about possibly facing jail time.

Trust me, I am FAR from being Dudley Do-Right when it comes to full compliance with the whims and wishes of any gov't.  Yet after much research, this was one area I decided wasn't worth evading.  Now when the day comes Uncle Sam wants to actually tax this money (which might be sooner than we think), then I will need to revisit this topic and most likely revise my line of thinking.  But for now, I still earn some income in the US, therefore still file a tax return, therefore will continue (like it or not) to report my foreign accounts.

I'm just sending out the message about the voluntary disclosure window, which will close on August 31st, k?







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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 13:42
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Errr, so how would the IRS know how much you have in your overseas account without you informing this?


How could Switzerland, KNOWN AND TRUSTED for their banking privacy and secrecy laws, kneel down before the US, and turn over info on account holders?!?  Confused
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 14:25
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

I'm just sending out the message about the voluntary disclosure window, which will close on August 31st, k?


So if the window closes, they'll start rounding up people for waterboarding and sleep deprivation sessions?

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Quote Esprit Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 14:30

Itīs reasonable to assume that if details of money held on deposit in a Brazilian bank account is declared to the IRS, it follows that they would be interested to learn about how this money came into being and about any interest earned as income. In addition they would want to know the time scale of the account, interest paid to date and if such interest earnings had been previously declared on earlier tax returns; catch 22!

 I would suggest that the likelihood of all Brazilian banks providing a comprehensive list of ex-pat bank details to a foreign nation is a bit of a stretch of the imagination given the nature of Brazilīs banking system which is not at all like the Swiss laundry. In any event I suspect that the IRS are more interested in the multiple zero big fish money that is worth the effort of chasing.    

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Quote Gringo.Floripa Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 15:06
Originally posted by Esprit

I would suggest that the likelihood of all Brazilian banks providing a comprehensive list of ex-pat bank details to a foreign nation is a bit of a stretch of the imagination given the nature of Brazilīs banking system which is not at all like the Swiss laundry.


I believe you're correct Esprit.  However, never say never, and never say "It can't/won't happen here"....


Originally posted by Esprit

In any event I suspect that the IRS are more interested in the multiple zero big fish money that is worth the effort of chasing.


Exactly.  Yet this agency of the devil, the Infernal Revenue Service, loves to reel in some small fry every now and then, just to "make an example" of them, and parade them about.  And since I am small fry, as much as I hate the sniffing nose in my personal business, I'll comply (for now).

Plus, I enjoy shopping at Costco and Home Depot way too much to cease my trips to the US anytime in the near future.  Wink


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Quote Dom Pedro Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 15:26
A country which taxes its citizen on their worldwide income EVEN if they permanently reside abroad (and should have been treated as non-resident for tax purposes by any civilized country) resembles me a medieval slave owner, not a modern XXI century state.
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Quote sven Replybullet Posted: 06 June 2011 at 15:27
Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa

I believe you're correct Esprit.  However, never say never, and never say "It can't/won't happen here"....


Well, it can't, not without a court order. The Patriot Act has no value here.
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