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mitico67
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Posted: 23 March 2012 at 17:02

finally back in february my visa has been published "indefinite stay". Next week back to the policia federal to apply for the CIE

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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 23:52

Income or support requirement?

As it relates to obtaining a permanent visa through a (same-sex) stable union or marriage (using RESOLUÇÃO NORMATIVA Nº 77 as a guide), does the Brazilian government have income requirements? If so, what income amount per month would the sponsoring partner (Brazilian) be required to earn? And, if so, when and how is this information asked for? (All assuming that the foreigner partner entering Brazil has no income).

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Posted: 18 April 2012 at 17:42

Okay - so, we got desperate (deadline looming and my criminal conviction history has been riding the air mail for about 6 weeks) - and basically sent a heartfelt plee, along with a request for a 90 day extension. Our status has now changed to:
PROPOSTA DE ENCAMINHAMENTO CNIG

but...wassitmean? Good, bad, ugly - are the scary men going to come and grab me in the night? Is it okay to be excited??

I know, literally what it means, but what does it mean in the context of obtaining a stable union visa?

Thanks!!

Edited by jon7899 - 18 April 2012 at 17:43

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Posted: 19 April 2012 at 07:26

It is good. Meaning that decision will be taken at next meeting of CNIg.

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Posted: 07 May 2012 at 20:00

Okay - so, with D(eferido?)-day looming ever closer...

I'm finding it hard to stay positive, so I think it's time to think backup plans.

Firstly - our case went "Proposta de Encaminhamento CNIg" before my ACRO form had been delivered - it's now been with them since 2/05/12 but they still haven't updated the status with "Juntada de Documento" and have ignored an email about it.

Following bad advice from several people whose job it was to know better, saying the Cartorio Declaration was sufficient (combined with my girlfriend's fervent dislike of my claim that Brazilian Professionals seemed to generally be wrong about things outside of their very direct line of work (having been told i couldn't get a CPF, open a bank account etc etc)) we now have the documents being presented at the next CNIg meeting, with year-old documents/judge declaration clearly missing.

So - in the (begrudgingly admitted) likelihood that they reject my application..what next? I go home on 11th May for two weeks for my sister's wedding. Following the rejection - any idea about:

- how long would it take them to return documents (if they do)?
- how much of the process can i carry out from outside of Brazil?
- is there any way of getting back into the country (without hopping barbed wire fences) within 6 months, having extended my tourist visa once?
- is it likely that i would be able to send documentation to a lawyer to present to a judge without being present in the country?
- what are likely wait times in Sao Paulo for the judge's declaration?
- after an application is rejected, is there any issue with re-lodging?

Sorry for all the questions, but i'm sure many have experienced a similar sense of desperation and imminent "...if they just knew their jobs, i'd have a visa by now".

Jon

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Posted: 31 May 2012 at 15:03

Hi,I have some questions about getting permanent visa based on Stable Union. If anyone already got permanent visa, please share your experience. I really really need YOUR HELP!

---My situation---

I applied my permanent visa process to MTE this Feburary, and I just got rejection yesterday.

Actually,my process was assigned to judges(distribuido ao relator) and they made a comment about the rejection.
The message was:
" Assim, entendemos que os documentos juntados não são satisfatórios para assegurar a manutenção e subsistência do Chamante e do Chamado, e, ainda que o chamante não assumiu compromisso de manutenção do Chamado."

I assume that my partner(brazilian)'s salary was not enough to convince judges that he is capable of maintain our lives financially.

---My questions---
1.How much salary is enough to persuade judges??
(My partner's salary is R$3000 per month)

2.How do I raise objection to the decision by the judge??
I know that some people raised objections after they got rejection and finally they succeeded to get visas.

If possible, is there a deadline?? eg. within a month, 3 months etc

Thank you for your reading and I hope I can hear from you soon.

Spike0912

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jon7899
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Posted: 11 June 2012 at 19:36

Hi Guys!

So...visa rejected (I know i should have heeded the advice on these forums but let "qualified, knowledgeable" professionals whose job it was to know persuade me otherwise). Help, please - we've obtained a list of family lawyers within the Sao Paulo area, and even with that we can't seem to find a lawyer who knows what they're doing when it comes to presenting our case to a family judge. Does the lawyer have to be a family lawyer? Can it be any flavour of lawyer so long as they're vaguely competent?

Three times now we've had a lawyer take the the case, piss about for 10 days or so and then apologise since they will be unable...

Advice specifically on the lawyer -> judge -> judge's declaration of a stable union..please?

I really don't want to face a 6 month wait out-of-country for my tourist visa to expire.

Jon

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amypie1
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Posted: 12 June 2012 at 08:27

You can get any Lawyer, this really is a simple process. Make it clear to them that all you want to do is declare your stable union with the judge and not have them take care of your whole visa. The judge can be a family judge or a civil judge ( I had my stable union confrmed by a civil judge and the MTE accepted it).You dont need a family lawyer, I really would like to stress that point to you. I find this really strange that you are unable to find anyone competent, this is a really simple process. Try going to a civil lawyer, ask how quickly they will be able to get it done for you. Mine took about 60 days ( although I live in SC)

amy

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sven
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Posted: 12 June 2012 at 09:49

Your visa was rejected based on what?

How come you can' t find a lawyer to do a "ação declaratório de união estável"?

as amy says, it's just for the declaration, any lawyer can file that. You should ask for a "tutela antecipada" since you're in a hurry.

Now if you had a lawyer with some real balls, he could file a habeas corpus against the act that denied your visa.

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Posted: 12 June 2012 at 10:01

Hi Sven, Amy,

Thanks for the responses.

Aaah, lawyer balls, all too rare it would seem (present company excepted).

The visa was rejected since we didn't provide the "comprovação de união estável emitida por juízo competente no Brasil" since we stupidly believed the relevant employee at the MTE office in SP, the woman dealing with our case at the cartorio, and an email directly from CNIg saying that the cartorio declaration could be submitted in its stead. (I know, i know, gringoes is the master of all knowledge and i shouldn't have believed the professionals).

I'm emailing around a variety of lawyers (although all i have to go from with regards to competency is the standard of their websites).

It does seem strange - the lawyer who only yesterday said he was unable to help since he misunderstood what we wanted, even after having waited a week, explaining he had to wait for our application to go "Indeferido" before he was able to move on, getting my girlfriend to sign a power of attorney specifically mentioning the Resolução Normativa nº77, he then waited another 10 days before realising he was unqualified.

It's never easy, is it.

So what specifics should i lay neatly out before a lawyer? I swear it's not as confusing as they're making it?

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mitico67 Senior Member Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 207	Posted: 23 March 2012 at 17:02
	finally back in february my visa has been published "indefinite stay". Next week back to the policia federal to apply for the CIE
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JPJ2008 Newbie Joined: 22 March 2011 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 26	Posted: 03 April 2012 at 23:52
	Income or support requirement? As it relates to obtaining a permanent visa through a (same-sex) stable union or marriage (using RESOLUÇÃO NORMATIVA Nº 77 as a guide), does the Brazilian government have income requirements? If so, what income amount per month would the sponsoring partner (Brazilian) be required to earn? And, if so, when and how is this information asked for? (All assuming that the foreigner partner entering Brazil has no income). Edited by JPJ2008 - 03 April 2012 at 23:55
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jon7899 Newbie Joined: 24 January 2012 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Posted: 18 April 2012 at 17:42
	Okay - so, we got desperate (deadline looming and my criminal conviction history has been riding the air mail for about 6 weeks) - and basically sent a heartfelt plee, along with a request for a 90 day extension. Our status has now changed to: PROPOSTA DE ENCAMINHAMENTO CNIG but...wassitmean? Good, bad, ugly - are the scary men going to come and grab me in the night? Is it okay to be excited?? I know, literally what it means, but what does it mean in the context of obtaining a stable union visa? Thanks!! Edited by jon7899 - 18 April 2012 at 17:43
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Carioquinho Groupie Joined: 20 September 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 86	Posted: 19 April 2012 at 07:26
	It is good. Meaning that decision will be taken at next meeting of CNIg.
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jon7899 Newbie Joined: 24 January 2012 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Posted: 07 May 2012 at 20:00
	Okay - so, with D(eferido?)-day looming ever closer... I'm finding it hard to stay positive, so I think it's time to think backup plans. Firstly - our case went "Proposta de Encaminhamento CNIg" before my ACRO form had been delivered - it's now been with them since 2/05/12 but they still haven't updated the status with "Juntada de Documento" and have ignored an email about it. Following bad advice from several people whose job it was to know better, saying the Cartorio Declaration was sufficient (combined with my girlfriend's fervent dislike of my claim that Brazilian Professionals seemed to generally be wrong about things outside of their very direct line of work (having been told i couldn't get a CPF, open a bank account etc etc)) we now have the documents being presented at the next CNIg meeting, with year-old documents/judge declaration clearly missing. So - in the (begrudgingly admitted) likelihood that they reject my application..what next? I go home on 11th May for two weeks for my sister's wedding. Following the rejection - any idea about: - how long would it take them to return documents (if they do)? - how much of the process can i carry out from outside of Brazil? - is there any way of getting back into the country (without hopping barbed wire fences) within 6 months, having extended my tourist visa once? - is it likely that i would be able to send documentation to a lawyer to present to a judge without being present in the country? - what are likely wait times in Sao Paulo for the judge's declaration? - after an application is rejected, is there any issue with re-lodging? Sorry for all the questions, but i'm sure many have experienced a similar sense of desperation and imminent "...if they just knew their jobs, i'd have a visa by now". Jon
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spike0912 Groupie Joined: 28 April 2012 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 47	Posted: 31 May 2012 at 15:03
	Hi,I have some questions about getting permanent visa based on Stable Union. If anyone already got permanent visa, please share your experience. I really really need YOUR HELP! ---My situation--- I applied my permanent visa process to MTE this Feburary, and I just got rejection yesterday. Actually,my process was assigned to judges(distribuido ao relator) and they made a comment about the rejection. The message was: " Assim, entendemos que os documentos juntados não são satisfatórios para assegurar a manutenção e subsistência do Chamante e do Chamado, e, ainda que o chamante não assumiu compromisso de manutenção do Chamado." I assume that my partner(brazilian)'s salary was not enough to convince judges that he is capable of maintain our lives financially. ---My questions--- 1.How much salary is enough to persuade judges?? (My partner's salary is R$3000 per month) 2.How do I raise objection to the decision by the judge?? I know that some people raised objections after they got rejection and finally they succeeded to get visas. If possible, is there a deadline?? eg. within a month, 3 months etc Thank you for your reading and I hope I can hear from you soon. Spike0912
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jon7899 Newbie Joined: 24 January 2012 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Posted: 11 June 2012 at 19:36
	Hi Guys! So...visa rejected (I know i should have heeded the advice on these forums but let "qualified, knowledgeable" professionals whose job it was to know persuade me otherwise). Help, please - we've obtained a list of family lawyers within the Sao Paulo area, and even with that we can't seem to find a lawyer who knows what they're doing when it comes to presenting our case to a family judge. Does the lawyer have to be a family lawyer? Can it be any flavour of lawyer so long as they're vaguely competent? Three times now we've had a lawyer take the the case, piss about for 10 days or so and then apologise since they will be unable... Advice specifically on the lawyer -> judge -> judge's declaration of a stable union..please? I really don't want to face a 6 month wait out-of-country for my tourist visa to expire. Jon
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amypie1 Senior Member Joined: 15 December 2010 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 149	Posted: 12 June 2012 at 08:27
	You can get any Lawyer, this really is a simple process. Make it clear to them that all you want to do is declare your stable union with the judge and not have them take care of your whole visa. The judge can be a family judge or a civil judge ( I had my stable union confrmed by a civil judge and the MTE accepted it).You dont need a family lawyer, I really would like to stress that point to you. I find this really strange that you are unable to find anyone competent, this is a really simple process. Try going to a civil lawyer, ask how quickly they will be able to get it done for you. Mine took about 60 days ( although I live in SC)
	amy
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sven Gringoes.com Guru Joined: 14 March 2007 Location: Brazil Online Status: Online Posts: 12868	Posted: 12 June 2012 at 09:49
	Your visa was rejected based on what? How come you can' t find a lawyer to do a "ação declaratório de união estável"? as amy says, it's just for the declaration, any lawyer can file that. You should ask for a "tutela antecipada" since you're in a hurry. Now if you had a lawyer with some real balls, he could file a habeas corpus against the act that denied your visa.
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jon7899 Newbie Joined: 24 January 2012 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 34	Posted: 12 June 2012 at 10:01
	Hi Sven, Amy, Thanks for the responses. Aaah, lawyer balls, all too rare it would seem (present company excepted). The visa was rejected since we didn't provide the "comprovação de união estável emitida por juízo competente no Brasil" since we stupidly believed the relevant employee at the MTE office in SP, the woman dealing with our case at the cartorio, and an email directly from CNIg saying that the cartorio declaration could be submitted in its stead. (I know, i know, gringoes is the master of all knowledge and i shouldn't have believed the professionals). I'm emailing around a variety of lawyers (although all i have to go from with regards to competency is the standard of their websites). It does seem strange - the lawyer who only yesterday said he was unable to help since he misunderstood what we wanted, even after having waited a week, explaining he had to wait for our application to go "Indeferido" before he was able to move on, getting my girlfriend to sign a power of attorney specifically mentioning the Resolução Normativa nº77, he then waited another 10 days before realising he was unqualified. It's never easy, is it. So what specifics should i lay neatly out before a lawyer? I swear it's not as confusing as they're making it?
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