Gringoes.com : Moving to Brazil http://www.gringoes.com/forum This is an XML content feed of; Gringoes.com : Moving to Brazil : Last 10 Posts Copyright (c) 2006 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 22 May 2013 19:54:15 +0000 Fri, 17 May 2013 21:53:26 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 8.05a 30 www.gringoes.com/forum/RSS_topic_feed.asp?FID=24 Gringoes.com http://www.gringoes.com/forum/Title_image http://www.gringoes.com/forum Moving to Brazil : Sao Paulo with 3 kids? Schools/housing/commute? http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9602&PID=219054#219054 Author: rhyncus
Subject: Sao Paulo with 3 kids? Schools/housing/commute?
Posted: 17 May 2013 at 21:53

Adelah, please follow your own advice and talk to parents who have ch ildren studying in Brasil. do your children speak any portuguese? It probably won't be necessary, but would be a big plus. be sure you understand what you are getting yourself into. I moved to Rio 4 years ago, and even though I had visited here many times, I was completely unprepared for the culture shock. your children will be too. my daughter goes to a private school of medium cost, and is basically waiting for the moment she will be able to go back to the USA. I don't want to put a damper on your plans at all, but you owe it to your kids to be certain this is for you, all of you.
good luck, peace and tranquilidade.
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Subject: Sao Paulo with 3 kids? Schools/housing/commute?
Posted: 17 May 2013 at 16:15

Wow, we have three different people asking about schools and neighbourhoods etc?

I suggest all of you search this forum for some answers... but in general:

The top foreign schools all will cost you about R$ 2000-3000 per month for younger kids, 3000-6000/month for older kids and some of them charge a errmm...*cough* admittance fee, since there are so many people trying to get into them.

These include:
Graded School (american)
St Pauls School (British)
Chapel (American)
St Nicholas (British)
St. Francis (British, i guess)
Escola Suiça (Internaitonal Swiss)
Humboldt (International German)

At the moment, Graded and St. Pauls are the top ones, but they're all pretty good. Students can get into top universities anywhere.

Top Brazilian Schools can sometimes cost almost as much
Some top Brazilian schools:

Rio Branco
São Luis
Santa Cruz
Pueri Domus
Porto Seguro
Santo Américo
Dante Alighieri
Santa Maria
Bandeirantes
Objetivo
Móbile
Vértice
Sion
Miguel de Cervantes

Originally posted by Frank_80


 Do you have any idea about how much could cost a good apartament, with good terminations and 3 bedrooms around this area?


In Itaim - from R$ 5000 - 14,000 permonth

Third, I have been looking for car prices in internet and it is really expensive more than the double of here, ¿Are the prices that expensive?


Yes

fourth, The company is going to give me health insurance for my family and, Do you know how good are they?

Finally, 23.000 reales per month is enought to have a good standard of life paying good apartament, school for 2 kids and everything else?



Health Insurance should be good.

Depending on school and apartment you are expecting, might be tight.
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Subject: Sao Paulo with 3 kids? Schools/housing/commute?
Posted: 16 May 2013 at 17:40

Hi!
I am a Italian-Brazilian mother of two kids, aged 10 and 9. They study at Swiss School (http://www.esbsp.com.br ) . It´s a good bi-lingual International School, where they learn German and Portuguese in the first years, and English and French after… There are some students from English speaking countries there. In the same neighborhood there´s an English school named Chapel School(http://www.chapelschool.com/). Take a look.
If you need any help when you arrive in São Paulo, feel free to contact me. I am not a professional, but could give you some tips. Good luck!]]> Thu, 16 May 2013 17:40:59 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9602&PID=218960#218960 Moving to Brazil : Sao Paulo with 3 kids? Schools/housing/commute? http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9602&PID=218452#218452 Author: loquos
Subject: Sao Paulo with 3 kids? Schools/housing/commute?
Posted: 12 May 2013 at 20:54

Originally posted by adelah


My family is about to move to Sao Paulo next year, and we have been given a list of schools to choose from. I would love some parents who send their kids to the different schools to comment about some of my questions if you dont mind. And if you dont mind me calling you, I can to talk more about this. my email address is adelahhenry@gmail.com

Here is the list

·        Associaçao Escola Graduada de Sao Paulo
·        Colegio Mobile Educação Infantil
·        Colegio Mobile Ensino Fundamental e Médio
·        Colégio Santa Cruz
·        Colegio Vera Cruz
·        Escola Viva
·        Panamby (See-Saw)
·        St. Paul's (British School of Sao Paulo)
·        St. Nicholas
·        St. Francis College
·        Stance Dual

Does your child attend any of these?
How long do you have to travel each way. Which area do you reside in.

What do you think of the fascilities like library, labs, quality of classrooms etc
Do they have good results for international exams
Does it have a good reputation? or do you think there are other better schools you would prefer to send your child to?
which are the top 3 schools in sao paolo?
Does it have good quality teachers
Do they have technology to help learning, like projectors etc

What questions should I be asking when choosing the school in Sao Paulo?

Are there any other comments you would like to share with me about these schools?
Which area do you live in and how far is it from your kids school?

Any advise you can offer will be greatly appreciated.

Also, if you cannot advise me, are you able to put me in touch with parents who have children already in these schools so I can ask them?

Adelah


Hello there! I actually work at St. Nicholas, so I can give you an inside view. Unfortunately, I don't qualify for the employee discount to have my daughter enrolled here, but that's another story. Suffice to say, St. Nicholas is good, and there's always a waiting line to get in, but it is NOT cheap.

I cannot speak for the other schools - I only interviewed for a position at St. Francis. Both St. Francis and St. Nicholas called me back, and when I had to make the choice, I went with St. Nicholas. It is located right near the Shopping Eldorado, roughly two blocks from a train station, and roughly the same from the metro. There's is also a bus station right in front of the Shopping. A good portion of the kids are dropped off by parents/nannies, but we also have bus services which many of the kids use.

St. Nicholas is rather unique, as it offers schooling from 'pre-K' all the way to high school graduation. But don't worry, your young ones aren't going to get mowed down by teenagers during school! We still have 'sections' and while the children grade 1 and above share several common areas, the little ones have their own place. There are libraries for what we call the 'infants', the 'juniors' and the 'seniors', with books tailored to the age range. We have at least two computer labs.

The whole school is composed of older houses that have been modified. I don't think there is a single classroom that is exactly the same size. However, there is A/C and high tech touch whiteboards/projectors in all of the classrooms. The teachers are great, and they school follows an international curriculum, and I highly recommend you look up their site and read more about how it all works.

As far as top 3 bi-lingual schools, I believe it's St. Paul's, St. Nicholas and Graded, which I did not see in your list above. I believe Graded is also the most expensive school in SP. St. Francis isn't a bad school, either, but I don't think it ranks in the top 3.

I cannot advise you as to questions to ask, because as parents we all have different standards for our children. I think the most important thing is to allow your children to tour possible schools with you. That way you can ge their input as to what they are comfortable with.


I currently live in Butantã, which is about 15-20 minutes by bus from St. Nicholas. Butantã isn't a bad neighborhood, but I certainly wouldn't call it Paulista Avenue. If you have a lot of money, you'd most likely be living elsewhere.]]> Sun, 12 May 2013 20:54:18 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9602&PID=218452#218452 Moving to Brazil : Permanent Visa http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218335#218335 Author: Lars Rubensburg
Subject: Permanent Visa
Posted: 11 May 2013 at 20:45

Why in heavens name you had a child while traveling the world on a Boat ?
My opinion, the child may suffer.
Get yourselves established in one place, make foundation, for your kid's sake.
Basil no place to raise kids.
Some people's and their decisions !!


Edited by Lars Rubensburg - 11 May 2013 at 20:46]]> Sat, 11 May 2013 20:45:56 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218335#218335 Moving to Brazil : Permanent Visa http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218334#218334 Author: picolino
Subject: Permanent Visa
Posted: 11 May 2013 at 20:15

To be on the safe side, it is absolutely best follow Sven's advice here and apply while the child is still a minor (now: until 18 in Brazil, under the Novo Código Civil). That way the applicant will easily avoid any and all arguments and won't have to seek out being treated as an exception or special case.

My own experience with red tape in Brazil has been that it is usually easiest just to play it by the book and have a case that is as straightforward and clear cut as possible, so as to not leave any room for arguments, misinterpretations or "discrecionalidade."

But what about those who find themselves in the iffy spot between 18 and 21:
1) How would such a person argue that most effectively, and
2) Would it be advisable to petition a judge first, to get a ruling on this before heading over to PF? Or is a judge useless in this regard?



Edited by picolino - 11 May 2013 at 20:19]]> Sat, 11 May 2013 20:15:23 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218334#218334 Moving to Brazil : Permanent Visa http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218333#218333 Author: sven
Subject: Permanent Visa
Posted: 11 May 2013 at 20:02

Yes, picolino, there are some excretions.]]> Sat, 11 May 2013 20:02:05 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218333#218333 Moving to Brazil : Permanent Visa http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218309#218309 Author: miguel
Subject: Permanent Visa
Posted: 11 May 2013 at 16:58

Originally posted by sven



The hassle to get a Brazillian Permanent visa is not worth it if you don't plan to live here.
 
+1
 
Also, bear in mind that in becoming a permanent resident, you also become a tax resident.   That condition subjects your worldwide income to the local taxation regime and reporting requirements; as well as certain local reporting responsibilities on your worldwide assets. 
 
Congratulations, as well!
]]> Sat, 11 May 2013 16:58:35 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218309#218309 Moving to Brazil : Permanent Visa http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218301#218301 Author: picolino
Subject: Permanent Visa
Posted: 11 May 2013 at 14:48

Originally posted by sven

Just get the childs passport and leave the visa for when you want to settle here (before the child's 18th birthday) and ackquire permanent residency then.

This is valuable info by Sven (solid, as usual). 

Just one small quibble:
Are we 100% sure that the cut-off is 18, without exceptions?

I was under the impression that the permanent visa application based on "prole brasileiro" could be done up until any time before the offspring's 21th birthday.  (Or the age of 24, in case of proof that the dependant is enrolled in a school and studying, and thus relies on his or her foreign parent for material support).

Not sure if I am right here.  For instance, it used to be that we had an obligation to pay pensão alimentícia up until the age of 21 (and 24 for students), or as long as the child was not self-supporting.  Then again, with the introduction of the new Código Civil, the "maioridade" went from 21 years to 18.

Comments?

Originally posted by sven

And congrats for your new child.

Ditto: Congratulations on the newborn!


Edited by picolino - 11 May 2013 at 14:49]]> Sat, 11 May 2013 14:48:20 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218301#218301 Moving to Brazil : Permanent Visa http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218278#218278 Author: sven
Subject: Permanent Visa
Posted: 11 May 2013 at 12:06

Yes, as the child was born in Brazil, it automatically became a Brazilian Citizen. Be aware that you MUST obtain a Brazilian Passport for the child to leave Brazilian waters.

The hassle to get a Brazillian Permanent visa is not worth it if you don't plan to live here. Just get the childs passport and leave the visa for when you want to settle here (before the child's 18th birthday) and ackquire permanent residency then.

To get permanen residency, you would need both your original birth certificates, your marriage certificat, all certified by the Brazilian consulate responsable for the state where you live in the US. Translated by a certified translator and a "comprovante de residencia" which is basically a utility bill for gas, water, or electricity in Brazil.

With that you would go to the Federal Police and apply for permanent residency. The PF will then do a home visit (may take 6 months for them to come by or even more) and a year or more for them to decide.

So you'd need to rent a house at least, or maybe a slab in a marina somewhere.

Edit:

And congrats for your new child.

Edited by sven - 11 May 2013 at 12:09]]> Sat, 11 May 2013 12:06:25 +0000 http://www.gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18560&PID=218278#218278