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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : We didn&amp;#039;t get to 2,15, but...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 December 2012 at 09:25<br /><br />We didn't get to 2,15, but I still expect it sometime after the new year.]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   Originally posted by oil&amp;amp;gasRoussolph...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 December 2012 at 07:44<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by oil&amp;gas</strong></em><br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.ft.com/bey&#111;nd-brics/2012/12/24/roussolph-the-red-nosed-reindeer/#axzz2GEjzn23M" target="_blank">Roussolph the red-nosed reindeer</a></td></tr></table><br>Ha Ha Ha or Ho Ho Ho<br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : Let&amp;#039;s see their reaction...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7217">oil&gas</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 December 2012 at 03:59<br /><br />Let's see their reaction today.<br /><br /><center> <a href="http://blogs.ft.com/bey&#111;nd-brics/2012/12/24/roussolph-the-red-nosed-reindeer/#axzz2GEjzn23M" target="_blank">Roussolph the red-nosed reindeer<br /></a></center>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by Gringo.FloripaMore...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 December 2012 at 19:47<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><strong>More USD dumping!!!</strong><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/26/brazil-real-aucti&#111;n-idUSL1E8NQ0BG20121226" target="_blank">Real gains as BACEN sells US dollar</a>With only five days left, I hate to say it, but GBoF, your prediction of 3.0 in 2012 is going to be waaaay off.  Yet I was in your corner, cheering for that, no doubt!  Even the PT economist's prediction of 2.30-2.40 is going to fall flat on it's face.  The winner just might be forum member Ganeshrkara (2.0-2.20)....<br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br />Inflation continues strong so three will come, just take a bit longer. I like 2.30 to 2.60 for next year...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 December 2012 at 16:54<br /><br /><br><b>More USD dumping!!!</b><br><br><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/26/brazil-real-aucti&#111;n-idUSL1E8NQ0BG20121226" target="_blank">Real gains as BACEN sells US dollar</a><br><br>With only five days left, I hate to say it, but GBoF, your prediction of 3.0 in 2012 is going to be waaaay off.&nbsp; Yet I was in your corner, cheering for that, no doubt!&nbsp; Even the PT economist's prediction of 2.30-2.40 is going to fall flat on it's face.&nbsp; The winner just might be forum member Ganeshrkara (2.0-2.20)....<br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : Federal police is a miniscule...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 December 2012 at 14:02<br /><br />Federal police is a miniscule budget item. It costs more finding it and arguing about it than you coukd save. No, the soution is s simple it hurts seeing how everyone is looking the other way. Take 400 billion savings right now from one slice in the cake and no need to mess with Medicare before thats not done.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :       Originally posted...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 December 2012 at 10:35<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br /><br>PS: but sorry I digressed. At Gringoes.com we are supposed to rant about Brazil. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><em>Squiddie - or praise it if you wish, no one&nbsp;is holding you back Squiddie, go for it, the soap box is all yours</em>... <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by OldMiller</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp; <br>Scaling down the police state would help, too - financially and socially. <br></td></tr></table></div><div> </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><em>Well said.</em> </div><div><em>Brazil however, appears to be following the US's example on keeping the masses, under control.</em></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 24 December 2012 at 11:01</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by SquiddieThe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6859">OldMiller</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 December 2012 at 10:29<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br />The solution for the US would be simple. Just cut the military budget back to where it was during Clinton years. Problem solved.<br /></td></tr></table> Agreed, but that makes too much sense to be feasible. <br />Scaling down the police state would help, too - financially and socially. <br />]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  I was being serious. 300 Billion...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 December 2012 at 23:35<br /><br />I was being serious. 300 Billion should be enough. If they did that, they wouldn't have the fiscal cliff nonsense to argue about that's aggravating everyone, nor inflation due to money printing. The worst thing is that not even such journals as the Economist or other big press actually press the subject. They just dutifully let their minds be clouded by the manipulative agenda of the politics.<br><br>PS: but sorry I digressed. At Gringoes.com we are supposed to rant about Brazil. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Squiddie - 23 December 2012 at 23:37</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : End the Fed in the US and overnight...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=13217">Joãozão</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 December 2012 at 21:26<br /><br />End the Fed in the US and overnight the problem would be solved.&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   Originally posted by SquiddieThe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 December 2012 at 19:45<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br />The solution for the US would be simple.&nbsp; Just cut the military budget back to where it was during Clinton years.&nbsp; Problem solved.</td></tr></table><br><br>But why do such a ludicrous thing when you can just print ALL the money you could possibly need?!?&nbsp; (insert sarcasm emoticon here)<br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : The solution for the US would...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 December 2012 at 19:41<br /><br />The solution for the US would be simple. Just cut the military budget back to where it was during Clinton years. Problem solved.]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : 2.20-2.40 coming soon.From O...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 December 2012 at 13:28<br /><br />2.20-2.40 coming soon.<br /><br />From O Estadao de SP today<br /><br />Os empresários industriais aplaudem o ajuste cambial realizado até agora, mas defendem uma desvalorização maior. Segundo o presidente da Federação das Indústrias do Estado de São Paulo (Fiesp), Paulo Skaf, a cotação de equilíbrio deve estar na faixa de R$ 2,30 a R$ 2,40 por dólar.<br />Enquanto isso, o BC intervém no mercado para manter a taxa abaixo de R$ 2,10 e eleva de US$ 1 bilhão para US$ 3 bilhões o limite das posições vendidas dos bancos. Superado o teto, passa a valer o depósito compulsório de 60%. O objetivo, também nesse caso, é conter a alta do dólar. Falta ver como será a política depois de encerradas as pressões da virada de ano. Mas o pessoal do BC parece disposto, pelas indicações dos últimos dias, a tomar cuidado para evitar mais pressões inflacionárias. Isso deve restringir tanto o afrouxamento monetário quanto a depreciação cambial. O presidente do BC, Alexandre Tombini, também mencionou, num encontro com jornalistas em Brasília, na segunda-feira, as perspectivas de moderação nos aumentos salariais e na expansão do crédito nos próximos meses.<br />Se essas condições forem confirmadas, os estímulos à expansão do consumo privado serão menos intensos do que foram até este ano, mas a preservação de um bom nível de emprego ainda poderá proporcionar às famílias a segurança necessária para ir às compras. De toda forma, será indispensável uma taxa maior de investimento para garantir um crescimento mais veloz, provavelmente no intervalo de 3% a 4%.<br />Se governo e setor privado investirem o equivalente a uns 20% do Produto Interno Bruto (PIB), 2013 estará quase certamente salvo. Mas será preciso mais que isso para impulsionar uma expansão na faixa de 4% a 5% por vários anos. Além disso, será necessário cuidar da eficiência e da qualidade do investimento, dois itens amplamente negligenciados no setor público. Não basta, por exemplo, gastar bilhões de dólares numa refinaria mal planejada, num petroleiro lançado muito antes de ter condições de navegar ou em instalações de geração de energia sem linhas de transmissão. A médio e a longo prazos, são esses os detalhes realmente importantes, muito mais que a taxa de câmbio. Moeda depreciada e barreiras protecionistas nunca serão suficientes para compensar as ineficiências do sistema produtivo. Curiosamente, alguns empresários e economistas parecem acreditar nisso.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5411">andrewfroboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 December 2012 at 09:43<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   You seem to have a very poor...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8105">kevbo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 December 2012 at 07:39<br /><br />You seem to have a very poor grasp of economics Esprit. The solution seems quite simple, let's just parcelar christmas and worry about paying it back after carnival.<div>Problem solved.</div>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :     &#8220;Fiscal Cliff&#8221; put in...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 December 2012 at 07:15<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style=": white; margin: 0cm 0cm 5pt; line-height: normal;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='color: rgb(42, 42, 42); font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-: EN-GB;'>“Fiscal Cliff” put in a much betterperspective.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style=": white; margin: 0cm 0cm 5pt; line-height: normal;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span style='color: rgb(42, 42, 42); font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma; mso-fareast-: EN-GB;'>Lesson # 1:<o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style=": white; 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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 December 2012 at 07:43<br /><br /><br>Perhaps to be of interest: <a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578190900434728158.html" target="_blank">Forex Outlook Splits Banks</a><br><br><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578190900434728158.html" target="_blank"></a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 December 2012 at 10:19<br /><br />Correction; Nov 30th]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 December 2012 at 07:47<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacare</strong></em><br /><br />The tide comes in and the tide goes out ...</td></tr></table><br><br>And that indeed describes the general rhythm and cycle of all things.&nbsp; Yet occasionally, a rogue wave hits shore... even a tsunami... caused by an earthquake.&nbsp; There are so many 'tremors', worldwide right now,&nbsp; tectonic plates of massive debt pressing upon one another.&nbsp; One of them will snap and cause a shift.&nbsp; Eventually.<br><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacare</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />But WHEN did the BRL ever reach 2.15 this year?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br> </td></tr></table><br>for a micro second on Dec. 30th<br></td></tr></table><br><br>According to my calendar, that's still eleven days away.&nbsp; Maybe Sr. Rapoza was making a 'prediction', without even realizing it!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 19 December 2012 at 07:55</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 December 2012 at 00:04<br /><br />No one can predict the economy or currency markets ... that's obvious. But it's a sea change, these articles talking about falling currency value and lower interest. No more quick money investments. The casino is closing down folks. The tide comes in and the tide goes out ...]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 00:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 23:45<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />But WHEN did the BRL ever reach 2.15 this year?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br> </td></tr></table><br>for a micro second on Dec. 30th<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 23:08<br /><br />gator forbes orb might by brown and not crystal]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 22:13<br /><br /><br>From article:&nbsp; "The Brazilian currency has been strengthening lately and will likely continue on that path as the government unwinds its <i>macroprudential </i>measures.&nbsp; The Brazilian real (BRL) has gone from a weak BRL2.15 to a stronger BRL2.09 over the last few weeks."<br><br><i>Macroprudential</i>?!?&nbsp; WTF?&nbsp; I had to look that one up.&nbsp; Seems that the word was invented in the aftermath of 2008.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>I hear ya 'Gator, and appreciate the link.&nbsp; But WHEN did the BRL ever reach 2.15 this year?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br><br> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 18 December 2012 at 22:16</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 21:30<br /><br />Forbes' crystal ball sez,<br><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/12/18/str&#111;nger-brazil-currency-w&#111;nt-last-l&#111;ng/" target="_blank">"Stronger Brazil Currency Won't Last Long"</a><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 13:45<br /><br />I need a US brokerage account. TD Waterhouse has an international branch, but I've heard thru the grapevine that they will not take Americans, even with a CLN to show. This may change as the FATCA regs. become more defined, or if the FATCA is actually thrown out, which I doubt will happen. Up to now, I know of one broker that has "some" US stocks and has the US futures contracts, but their commissions are just ridiculously expensive compared to US companies.<br /><br />Back to the FATCA: The Brazilian Bankers Association is against it and Brazil isn't exactly a tax haven to begin with. So the FATCA may never come here. We'll just have to see.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 13:32<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br>What are you doin', buying up all of SC with dollar reserves? You must have some gigantic reserves! <br><br>I'll still keep accounts in the US, but if they start with that "global FATCA", I'll have to yank those too.</td></tr></table><br><br>HA HA!&nbsp; I wish!&nbsp; Yet that's exactly what I'm wanting to do... YANK IT, before FATCOW tanks it!!!<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 13:21<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />Nem me fale!  This is driving me nuts!!!  As my great-granny used to say, "Either sh*t, or get off the pot!"</td></tr></table><br /><br />What are you doin', buying up all of SC with dollar reserves? You must have some gigantic reserves! <br /><br />Well, my dream at least is to make beaucoup dinheiro in dollars and use one of those transfer companies to transfer a little every day (since their rates are pretty good). <br /><br />I'll still keep accounts in the US, but if they start with that "global FATCA", I'll have to yank those too.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 13:03<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />the REAL is defying gravity somewhat by not dropping in value.</td></tr></table><br><br>Nem me fale!&nbsp; This is driving me nuts!!!&nbsp; As my great-granny used to say, "Either sh*t, or get off the pot!"<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 December 2012 at 12:56<br /><br />&& the REAL is defying gravity somewhat by not dropping in value. I was thinking that we may not see the 2,15 for the end of the year, but maybe we <strong>WILL</strong>.<br /><br />By the way, my other deal which I mentioned in here:<br /><a href="%20" target="_blank">http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NOK+Interactive#symbol=nok;range=3m;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;</a><br /><br />I got it for 2'something.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 December 2012 at 11:39<br /><br />The china purchase is a big deal. Apple needs to be careful going forward.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 December 2012 at 11:17<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><em>The following is not an advertisement, encouragement, or recommendation -&gt;&gt;</em> I bought some Nokia shares on Monday.  I rarely buy shares. I'm just saying so you guys can see if I'm winning or losing.  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> I didn't even put a stop on it. If it drops to zero, I lose the money. If it triples or quadruples, I win big. Justification: A lot of Americans were bad mouthing Nokia back when the iPhone ripoff was very popular. I'm hoping Nokia and Micro$oft will steal some market share from iphone and samsung. I think I'm up 15% since Monday, but that's an insignificant % since it could gain or lose 100% from here.</td></tr></table><br /><br />I bet everyone forgot about this. I'm up more than 40% on this. Sorry, not related to the exchange rate.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 December 2012 at 13:41<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacare</strong></em><br /><br />Brazil is, and always will be, the land of the future.</td></tr></table><br><br>Amem<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 December 2012 at 07:55<br /><br />Brazil is, and always will be, the land of the future.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 December 2012 at 07:08<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />Senna afirma ainda que não vê riscos de solvência no Brasil de hoje, porque vários outros países têm situação fiscal pior.</td></tr></table>That's like saying "I'm not worried about  the tightness I sometimes feel in my chest, and the shortness of breath I have, because my neighbor has cancer".  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />I like his comment that rather than make loans to stimulate consumers, the Gov should invest in health, edcation and security. (No mention of infrastructure!) <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="middle" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Economic analysts seem to always construct their opinions on the cautionary, if not pessimistic, side of the fence. Thankfully, visionaries and entrepreneurs see opportunities and still take risks. In these times of world financial dilemma, Brasil is not doing too bad among world economies.  Given the Brasilian economic outlook of not too many years ago, it can even be said they are in a better international position than ever…comparatively speaking. Brasil is still developing, albeit slowly, and there is still a lot of upside potential for growth, especially domestically. The bane of its high interest rates gives it maneuvering room to stimulate the economy…as  opposed to somewhere like the USA, who have rock bottom interest rates and the now addictive need to continue printing money just to maintain an aura of equilibrium “to ride out the storm.” The actions of Brasil’s public and private banks; the level of its debts in relation to the PIB, and prospects the economic outlook do not really add up to anything, except how it is perceived. While these financial factoids may point in a certain direction, they do not dictate the future with certainty. Some people will, in fact, still invest in this future successfully for the long term.<br /><br />Hopefully along the way, Brasil is also on the road to organizing its own house in terms of effective distribution of wealth and cleansing of corruption.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 December 2012 at 06:59<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />Senna afirma ainda que não vê riscos de solvência no Brasil de hoje, porque vários outros países têm situação fiscal pior.</td></tr></table>That's like saying "I'm not worried about  the tightness I sometimes feel in my chest, and the shortness of breath I have, because my neighbor has cancer".  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />I like his comment that rather than make loans to stimulate consumers, the Gov should invest in health, edcation and security. (No mention of infrastructure!) <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   Originally posted by GreatBallsoFireSenna...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 December 2012 at 06:44<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Senna afirma ainda que não vê riscos de solvência no Brasil de hoje, porque vários outros países têm situação fiscal pior.</td></tr></table><br><br>That's like saying "I'm not worried about&nbsp; the tightness I sometimes feel in my chest, and the shortness of breath I have, because my neighbor has cancer".&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 December 2012 at 05:43<br /><br />Solvency of Brazilian Government now questioned. As Treasury used 390 Billion R$ to make loans via public banks as loans go bad with stagnant growth. Gov banks loaned to Petrobras, and to people buying little cars now not making payments. This is part of the "back door" inflation. If economists think this could get much worse as bank clients fail to repay loans.<br /><br /><br />Tesouro usou R$ 390 bi em 6 anos para estimular concorrência entre bancos<br />Estratégia do governo de estimular a atividade econômica via recursos do Tesouro ampliou participação de BNDES, BB e Caixa <br />09 de dezembro de 2012 | 22h 30<br /><br />Leandro Modé, de O Estado de S. Paulo<br />SÃO PAULO - O Tesouro Nacional injetou R$ 390,1 bilhões nos três bancos controlados pelo governo federal - Banco Nacional de Desenvolvimento Econômico e Social (BNDES), Banco do Brasil e Caixa Econômica Federal - entre o fim de 2006 e outubro deste ano. No período, a participação das instituições financeiras públicas no crédito total da economia saltou de 36,8% para 46,6%.<br /><br />VEJA TAMBÉM<br /><br />'O mundo inteiro vai ter juro muito baixo por uma década'<br />A forte expansão é resultado da estratégia do governo de estimular a atividade econômica e aumentar a concorrência no setor financeiro. Quarta-feira, o governo deu mostras de que a estratégia permanecerá ativa. O ministro da Fazenda, Guido Mantega, anunciou a liberação de R$ 100 bilhões para o BNDES no ano que vem. Desse valor, cerca de R$ 45 bilhões poderão ter como fonte o Tesouro Nacional.<br /><br />Para muitos analistas, porém, o modelo adotado pelo governo traz pelo menos dois riscos. O primeiro é financeiro: um crescimento muito acelerado do crédito pode implicar pesadas perdas no futuro caso haja alguma mudança abrupta no cenário econômico brasileiro e/ou global. Foi o que deu origem à crise financeira internacional que estourou em 2008.<br /><br />"Se hoje, com a economia relativamente em boa situação, os índices de inadimplência estão elevados, o que pode acontecer se houver uma reviravolta?", indaga o analista de instituições financeiras da Austin Rating, Luís Miguel Santacreu. Ele pondera que, atualmente, "o crédito está andando na frente da economia, quando o ideal é que os dois caminhem juntos".<br /><br />O analista refere-se à velocidade de expansão dos empréstimos e do Produto Interno Bruto (PIB). Nos 12 meses terminados em outubro, o crédito total no País cresceu 16,6%, enquanto o PIB deve avançar cerca de 1% no ano.<br /><br />Na Caixa Econômica Federal, o ritmo tem sido muito mais expressivo: 45%. Em geral, os grandes bancos privados de varejo consideram saudável um crescimento do crédito duas vezes superior ao do PIB, já descontada a inflação.<br /><br />Dívida do governo<br /><br />O segundo risco apontado pelos especialistas na estratégia do governo é fiscal: a dívida pública bruta é pressionada pelos desembolsos do Tesouro Nacional aos bancos, embora a dívida líquida (que desconta os ativos do governo federal) permaneça em trajetória de queda.<br /><br />"Se essa política for mantida indefinidamente, poderá levar o Brasil a ter problemas de solvência no futuro", afirmou o economia Felipe Salto, especialista em finanças públicas e analista da Tendências Consultoria Integrada.<br /><br />Salto, que levantou os números para o Estado, observa que a dívida bruta brasileira deve encerrar 2012 próxima de 64% do PIB, segundo os critérios do Fundo Monetário Internacional (FMI). Na média, os países emergentes estão com endividamento na casa dos 35% do PIB. Os avançados, que enfrentam grave crise de confiança justamente por causa das dívidas elevadas, estão com 111% do PIB.<br /><br />Para o economista-chefe da LCA Consultores, Bráulio Borges, esses dados mostram que a dívida bruta brasileira, hoje, não é alta nem baixa. "A questão é que a prudência recomenda que um governo mantenha o endividamento em níveis baixos para ter espaço fiscal caso tenha de enfrentar uma crise inesperada, como a de 2008", afirmou.<br /><br />Se a folga fiscal não é tão grande, o socorro de um governo para evitar (ou amenizar) uma recessão pode se transformar em uma crise ainda maior. É o que ocorreu nos Estados Unidos, que tinham um nível de endividamento relativamente confortável antes da quebradeira de bancos.<br /><br />As medidas de George W. Bush e Barack Obama para evitar uma depressão como a dos anos 30 elevaram a dívida e, por tabela, o risco fiscal. A situação americana só não é mais delicada porque o país emite o dólar, ainda a moeda mais confiável do mundo.<br /><br />Por tudo isso, o sócio da MCM Consultores e ex-diretor do Banco Central (BC), José Julio Senna, avalia que o governo tem de trocar de estratégia. "O problema do Brasil, hoje, é estimular a oferta da economia, e não a demanda, seja por meio de mais crédito público ou outros instrumentos", argumenta.<br /><br />Ele pondera que, na fase mais aguda da crise, a resposta do governo fez sentido. "Foi aceitável, naquela ocasião, o aumento do crédito público. Mas hoje vivemos a fase crônica da crise, que precisa de outro tipo de remédio."<br /><br />Senna afirma ainda que não vê riscos de solvência no Brasil de hoje, porque vários outros países têm situação fiscal pior. "Minha preocupação maior é com o uso dos recursos públicos, que deveriam ser direcionados para questões mais prementes do dia a dia dos brasileiros, como saúde, educação e segurança."<br /><br />Ele acrescenta, ainda, que empréstimos concedidos por instituições financeiras privadas tendem a ser mais bem aplicados (e, portanto, mais eficientes) porque não costuma haver interferência política na decisão.<br /><br />  <br /><br /><br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 10 December 2012 at 05:56</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 December 2012 at 17:25<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />This is new. Brazilians talking about an imploding Real on the airwaves.</td></tr></table>Keep talking, keep talking!</td></tr></table><br />Maybe publically talking about dealing with an "imploding Real" is new, but this this concern has long been ongoing with at least some Brasilians. I know a fair number who have been "investing" off shore for years. They do not talk about it in public, however. Historically, Brasilians have never had strong faith in their currency, especially those over 40 or so.<br /><br />More interesting, perhaps, is that more Brasilians than ever before actually have some significant money to manage...IMO.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 December 2012 at 16:59<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><br>This is new. Brazilians talking about an imploding Real on the airwaves.</td></tr></table><br><br>Keep talking, keep talking!<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 December 2012 at 15:45<br /><br />For the first time on Band Radio News, the finance guy fielded a question from a Brazilian who thinks the Real is about to explode and wanted to know how to move his investment accounts abroad in dollar accounts.  The expert said he needed to register his purchase for investment purposes with the Central Bank and would have to declare his foreign assets on his tax returns. <br /><br />This is new. Brazilians talking about an imploding Real on the airwaves. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />Dec 19, 2012]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 December 2012 at 23:54<br /><br />well look at it this way at least if you are going visit tio sam you will pay less]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 December 2012 at 20:22<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />From 2.13 to 2.07 in less than a week?!?&nbsp; Come on….&nbsp; This is obviously pure politics at work, and not the market.&nbsp; Yet the market always has the last word….&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />Maybe BACEN has decided to 'burn' as many USD's as they can, while they can....OR, maybe the executive board of BACEN, as well as most the Senate and Congress (in BR), have to make the final payments before the end of this year, on the condos they purchased in Miami in 2010 , thus wanting a stronger Real.Maybe both.<br><br></td></tr></table> <br><br>Today at the airport in Salvador, the money changers were buying dollars at 2.12, selling at 2.22.<br><br>I sold some, and yes the Brazilian Central Bank stepped in to sell dollars and bring down the official rate a tad.</td></tr></table><br><br>Damn that`s a good rate as from what I saw today it did not breach anything close to it.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 December 2012 at 20:12<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />From 2.13 to 2.07 in less than a week?!?  Come on….  This is obviously pure politics at work, and not the market.  Yet the market always has the last word….  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />Maybe BACEN has decided to 'burn' as many USD's as they can, while they can....OR, maybe the executive board of BACEN, as well as most the Senate and Congress (in BR), have to make the final payments before the end of this year, on the condos they purchased in Miami in 2010 , thus wanting a stronger Real.Maybe both.<br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Today at the airport in Salvador, the money changers were buying dollars at 2.12, selling at 2.22.<br /><br />I sold some, and yes the Brazilian Central Bank stepped in to sell dollars and bring down the official rate a tad.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 December 2012 at 09:07<br /><br />^^ The BRL isn't even considered a "minor" currency. Someone can flush a toilet and it will go flying in either direction. I'm wondering if the "disconnect" (BRL goes down even when world equity markets go up) is still in effect. I think so. This is probably the best signal that the Brazilian politicians want the BRL to go down in value.<br /><br />Imagine those people who were transferring money back at 1,60!!! That has to hurt!! I remember saying very clearly that we were forming a long-term double bottom and to look for some upside. I still haven't found any good charts for the BRL. It doesn't matter anyway cause it's not really tradeable.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 December 2012 at 21:05<br /><br /><br>From 2.13 to 2.07 in less than a week?!?&nbsp; Come on….&nbsp; This is obviously pure politics at work, and not the market.&nbsp; Yet the market always has the last word….&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>Maybe BACEN has decided to 'burn' as many USD's as they can, while they can....<br><br>OR, maybe the executive board of BACEN, as well as most the Senate and Congress (in BR), have to make the final payments before the end of this year, on the condos they purchased in Miami in 2010 , thus wanting a stronger Real.<br><br>Maybe both.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 December 2012 at 20:30<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacare</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />I really doubt over the next 2-3 months that you will see a significant swing in the currency. </td></tr></table>Well if I had a crystal ball I would be rich. But I will say it is unusual to see so many articles like these at one time.&lt;h2 ="esc-lead-article-title"&gt;<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-30/brazil-swap-rates-fall-as-gdp-growth-trails-forecast-real-drops" target="_blank">&lt;span ="titletext"><strong>Brazilian Real</strong> Tumbles to Three-Year Low as GDP Misses Forecasts&lt;/span&gt;</a>&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;h2 ="esc-lead-article-title"&gt;<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/30/markets-latam-forex-idUSL1E8MUGDM20121130" target="_blank">&lt;span ="titletext">EMERGING MARKETS-<strong>Brazil real</strong>, rates slide after disappointing GDP&lt;/span&gt;</a>&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;h2 ="esc-lead-article-title"&gt;<a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323751104578149410861767832.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" target="_blank">&lt;span ="titletext"><strong>Brazil's Real</strong> Closes Weaker&lt;/span&gt;</a>&lt;/h2&gt;<p></p></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Yes, there is no crystal ball. I have certain "way" of trading like I did today. The probability is very high, but <strong>still not</strong> 100%. I executed a few trades today and looked at other things. When the profit targets were hit, I wasn't surprised because it's fairly reliable. There is nothing 100% in markets, ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever. Occaisionally one of those "reliable" trades tanks. That's just markets. <br /><br />In the late afternoon, I had a half-a$$ trade in gold where I was negative. I was about to close it for a loss and then I checked a higher timeframe. I decided to stay in and now the position is about to hit my profit target with a nice gain. Point to the story: you better have some very strong REASONS for taking a certain position.<br /><br />For the record: Gold:<br />bought in the afternoon @ 1699,94 - profit target @ 1701,92<br /><br />What impresses me the most is when I see someone in forums that posts setups and live trades that has BEEN A POSTING member for many years. What impresses me even more is when someone trades and has a 3rd party record their trades. I push for this transparency as much as I can. In the US and Europe, trading courses are like "English courses" in Brazil and 99,99999999999% of them are pure crap.<br /><br />haha, stepped out to make a sandwich and the Gold PT was hit. I have no idea why I rambled on so long about trading and courses....... <br /><br />Live long and prosper!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 December 2012 at 20:10<br /><br />Remember I said 2,15'ish (R$ 2,16) by end of the year. This isn't rocket science, folks. Horizontal support and resistance lines work like "magic". Put them on any chart, you'll see.<br /><br />I only know one reason of a few why they work like this. The only reason I know is that institutions use them for stop hunting. If a bunch of noobs have a stop below a certain low, like 99% of the courses teach, the institutions (who probably have much more information that the common man) will sell to take out those stops. It "usually" happens around the London open, but it also happened big-time on the Euro today-- twice this morning!<br /><br />Euro, USD, BRL, it's all the same thing - paper money that can be traded.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 17:02<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />Lots of good info at  estadao.com.br Click Economia, the mercados, then cambio.&nbsp; <br>http://economia.estadao.com.br/<br><br>I have the above link bookmarked and use it daily.<br>Anybody have any other good links?</td></tr></table><br><br>That's indeed an excellent link GBoF for exchange rate focused news.&nbsp; Thanks for that!&nbsp; BTW... I like that 2.30 you mentioned!!!<br><br>For more general business news on Brasil I use one of the main Anglo sites like Reuters or Bloomberg, then enter a Brasil-specific term in the search field on their home page.&nbsp; Even plugging in just "Brazil" turns up some good articles, like this one:<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/03/us-brazil-ec&#111;nomy-eletrobras-idUSBRE8B211020121203" target="_blank"> A Case Study of Brazil's Economic Problems</a><br><br><br>EDIT: Here's a good article on the currency that drives the others:&nbsp; <a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/1036451-u-s-dollar-the-biggest-moral-hazard-of-them-all" target="_blank">US Dollar, The Biggest Moral Hazard of Them All</a><br><br><br>2nd edit:&nbsp; I hadn't heard about this.&nbsp; Interesting!<br><br>"<i>The IMF reported Wednesday (21/11/2012) that the Banco Central do Brasil has  increased its gold holdings for the second straight month, to the  highest level in 11 years, as Latin America’s biggest economy looks to  diversify its vast international reserves</i>."&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>Link: <a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-23/brazil-gold-reserves-fixed-term-gold-deposits-bulli&#111;n-banks" target="_blank">Brazil Gold Reserves</a><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 03 December 2012 at 18:51</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 15:13<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by markn</strong></em><br /><br />I transferred the money this morning from Euroland to Brazil. So if anyone says that it's better to wait with the cambio, come up with that soon. There is still time to reverse my transfer.</td></tr></table>No need to reverse the transfer Mark, but no need to 'fecha o cambio' as soon as the funds arrive.  I believe one has up to 90 days to do so.  Yet during that time, the bank is using your money for free.  However, letting the transfer sit there does give you the ability to close on a day when you know the rate is up, whereas if set on closing as soon as the funds arrive, there's really no way to tell.FYI, whenever you do decide to close the exchange, go first thing in the morning!  I waited once until after lunch, the rate had ticked up that day, so I guess many people were closing exchanges.  The bank personnel were not able to get the cambio desk in SP to close my exchange before the 15:00 cut off, so I had to come back the next day.  The rate was 2 cents lower the following day, so I definitely lost more than just beer money.Yet if you transferred 10-50K, really no need to delay closing the exchange. But if someone was preparing to transfer a six figure amount, say to buy an apt, house, or other RE, then I say wait until towards the end of the month.  In that instance, the extra 10-25 centavos in upswing could pay for all of one's <em>eletrodomésticos</em>, furniture for the entire place, and even a brand new hose!   <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />Of course, we could drop back to 2.00, though I doubt it.  The chatter today regarding the fiscal cliff novela is that the Casa Branca is willing to let the nation go over the cliff, if that's what's necessary to raise taxes for the 'wealthy'.  Ruh-roh!!!<br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br />The horrible GDP numbers for Brazil and high inflation are pushing the sentiment for a real towards the 2.30 level. Lots of good info at  estadao.com.br Click Economia, the mercados, then cambio. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />http://economia.estadao.com.br/<br /><br />Dilma and the PT, which includes Mantega, and Nobrega, all want a lower Real to encourage exports. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />I have the above link bookmarked and use it daily.<br /><br />Anybody have any other good links?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 15:11<br /><br />i need those extra centavos to buy a hose for 400 in the lower north east or deep south]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12812">markn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 14:58<br /><br />Thanks for your responses. Much appreciated!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 14:12<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by markn</strong></em><br /><br />I transferred the money&nbsp;this morning from Euroland to Brazil. So if anyone says that it's better to wait with the cambio, come up with that soon. There is still time to reverse&nbsp;my transfer.</td></tr></table><br><br>No need to reverse the transfer Mark, but no need to 'fecha o cambio' as soon as the funds arrive.&nbsp; I believe one has up to 90 days to do so.&nbsp; Yet during that time, the bank is using your money for free.&nbsp; But wasn't your bank in Euroland doing that too?!?<br><br>However, by letting the transfer sit there when it first arrives, does give you the ability to close on a day when you know the rate is up, whereas if set on closing as soon as the funds arrive, there's really no way to tell.<br><br>BTW, whenever you do decide to close the exchange, go first thing in the morning!&nbsp; I waited once until after lunch, the rate had ticked up that day, so I guess many people were closing exchanges.&nbsp; The bank personnel were not able to get the cambio desk in SP to close my exchange before the 15:00 cut off, so I had to come back the next day.&nbsp; The rate was a few cents lower the following day, so I definitely lost out on more than just beer money.<br><br>Yet if you transferred 10-50K, really no need to delay closing the exchange. But if someone was preparing to transfer a six figure amount, say to buy an apt, or other RE, then I say wait until towards the end of the month.&nbsp; In that instance, the extra 10-25 centavos in upswing could pay for all of one's <i>eletrodomésticos</i>, furniture for the entire place, and even a brand new hose! &nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><br>Of course, we could drop back to 2.00, though I doubt it.&nbsp; The chatter today regarding the fiscal cliff novela is that the Casa Branca is willing to let the nation go over the cliff, if that's what's necessary to raise taxes for the 'wealthy'.&nbsp; Ruh-roh!!!<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 03 December 2012 at 19:21</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8105">kevbo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 07:44<br /><br />You've talked me in to it . I'm going to splash out on a hose for christmas ... and the wife says I never buy her anything.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 07:27<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by markn</strong></em><br /><br /><p>I transferred the money this morning from Euroland to Brazil. So if anyone says that it's better to wait with the cambio, come up with that soon. There is still time to reverse my transfer.</p><div> </div>So to all of you: Feel free to make an argument on my very clear and practical question.</td></tr></table><br /><br />This is a great time to send money. Much better than nine months ago.<br /><br />Good time to buy a car or a hose at the right price. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12812">markn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 December 2012 at 07:02<br /><br /><p>I transferred the money&nbsp;this morning from Euroland to Brazil. So if anyone says that it's better to wait with the cambio, come up with that soon. There is still time to reverse&nbsp;my transfer.</p><div>&nbsp;</div>So to all of you: Feel free to make an argument on my very clear and practical question.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 19:49<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacare</strong></em><br /><br />I'd say if there is a place you want to live in and you can scrape the money together, go ahead and buy it now.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br>Considering that 'year to date', both the EUR and USD are approx. 15% higher than the BRL, one certainly can't go wrong.&nbsp; Yet they could probably do better....<br><br>I'm with Frank.&nbsp; Given the 'barometric pressure' in both the EU, EUA, as well as Brasil, there's probably more upward movement ahead for the EUR and USD, and depreciation for the Real.&nbsp; If not in a hurry to buy, I'd wait, unless you've found your dream house.<br><br>Also, we need to consider all the hoopla going on in the EUA.&nbsp; The Big Money Boys <i>know</i> that no one's going over a cliff.&nbsp; But they're going to see that the media (which many of them own, or are heavily invested in) works the topic up into a frenzy.&nbsp; Should the rate bump up from 2.15 to 2.25 (quite feasible), and one had 100 million to shift around, that mere ten centavos results in an extra 10 million in your account!&nbsp; Not bad for two months of 'wag the dog'.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 19:23<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacare</strong></em><br /><br />I'd say if there is a place you want to live in and you can scrape the money together, go ahead and buy it now.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br><br><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />&nbsp;ditto<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 19:09<br /><br />I'd say if there is a place you want to live in and you can scrape the money together, go ahead and buy it now.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 18:55<br /><br />I am adopting a wait and see approach. I looking for 2.5 to 1 in 18 months]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 17:33<br /><br /><br>Thanks for those links 'Gator'!<br><br>A 'perfect storm' scenario has been discussed&nbsp; from time to time in this thread.&nbsp; Perhaps more meltdown in the EU, a fiscal cliff impasse in the EUA, and dismal numbers in Brasil will create such a storm for the Real.&nbsp; Yet again... who has a reliable crystal ball to know if, and when???<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 17:09<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />I really doubt over the next 2-3 months that you will see a significant swing in the currency.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br>Well if I had a crystal ball I would be rich. But I will say it is unusual to see so many articles like these at one time.<br><h2 ="esc-lead-article-title"><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-30/brazil-swap-rates-fall-as-gdp-growth-trails-forecast-real-drops" target="_blank"><span ="titletext"><b>Brazilian Real</b> Tumbles to Three-Year Low as GDP Misses Forecasts</span></a></h2><h2 ="esc-lead-article-title"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/30/markets-latam-forex-idUSL1E8MUGDM20121130" target="_blank"><span ="titletext">EMERGING MARKETS-<b>Brazil real</b>, rates slide after disappointing GDP</span></a></h2><h2 ="esc-lead-article-title"><a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323751104578149410861767832.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" target="_blank"><span ="titletext"><b>Brazil's Real</b> Closes Weaker</span></a></h2><p><br></p><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :        Originally posted...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 16:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by markn</strong></em><br /><br />As a straight-forward down to earth guy who is set to sell some Euro's&nbsp;and buy some Reais in the near future for business purposes, I thought I'd take a look here to make my 'guess' on the timing-issue. Wow, is this place hijacked by Americans who think they know!&nbsp;No offense and don't get me wrong, it's an interesting read,&nbsp;but&nbsp;not enitirely on what the topic is about. More&nbsp;on&nbsp;a cultural, social&nbsp;and psychological level.<br><br><div></div><div>But on a more practical note: Shall I change from Euro to Real this coming week, wait till January, February&nbsp;or is my guess as good as anyone's? Please consider that&nbsp;you are talking to a fairly smart guy, but&nbsp;without special knowledge on the subject: easy on the jargon and American slang if you want to&nbsp;give me&nbsp;some insight&nbsp;-opposed to hearing yourself talk.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><br><br>If you'll notice Mark, the title of this thread contains the word "predictions".&nbsp; 'Forecast' would be an apt synonym.&nbsp; Predicting exchange rates is no different than forecasting the weather.&nbsp; "Red sky at night, sailor's delight.&nbsp; Red sky at morning, sailor's warning".&nbsp; We can observe the chaos in Europe, read about slowing growth in China (and Brasil), watch the 'fiscal cliff' novela presently playing in US....&nbsp; All these factors, and countless others, move currencies.<br><br>But like a slow moving cold front, which can stall, or a Hurricane named Sandy, which just prior to making landfall, had it's winds decrease, and was downgraded to a tropical storm, causing less damage than what was potentially possible, what we (the collective idiot) <i>might think</i> is going to happen, can often surprise us.&nbsp; You should re-read the first paragraph of the first post of this thread.&nbsp; It sounds to me like you're taking the topic way too serious.&nbsp; If anyone could know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what the forex will be next week, or next month, they wouldn't be wasting their time on this site, but would be having cocktails with Eike Batista or Warren Buffet.<br><br>Your assertion that this thread has been 'hijacked' by Americans is absurd.&nbsp; Anyone is welcome to post here.&nbsp; But surely you realize the USD is the dominant currency on the planet (for now), and it's often the rudder which steers other currencies (for now).&nbsp; If you look at forex charts, when speaking of exchange rates of the BRL (Brasilian Real), the EUR and USD are usually in tandem.&nbsp; Feel free to speak more often about the Euro, if you wish.<br><br>So to answer your question about when to exchange your EUR for BRL... <i>your guess is as good as anyone else's</i>!&nbsp; IMHO, I think as long as the fiscal cliff drama is playing in the US, and the uncertainty it 'creates', there's more room for a depreciating Real.&nbsp; Like with previous 'debt ceiling' dramas in the US, there's always a decision reached at the last minute, but they play it for all it's worth until 23:59.&nbsp; Most likely that will be case when the edge of 'the cliff' is reached.&nbsp; But who <i>really </i>knows?!?<br><br>Should an impasse <i>not</i> be resolved, and while we are all on a beach somewhere in Brasil, or on Av Paulista, or wherever, making revelry at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve, significant changes to the US economy, in the form of higher taxes, and decreased tax exemptions <u>will</u> occur.&nbsp; It <u>will</u> have a dire effect on the economy (IMO), and the 'electronic herd' <u>will</u> react accordingly (regardless of my opinion).<br><br>The Central Banks have their own strategies, no doubt, but once in a blue moon (oops, sorry for the Americana slang there) the herd stampedes.&nbsp; Capital is pulled from markets, usually emerging ones, and for a brief period the Central Banks can only perform damage control, until the dust settles.&nbsp; Again, IMHO, I don't see that happening here and now, but occasionally that "red sky at night" is followed by a bitch of a storm the next morning!<br><br><i>Enfim</i>... kick back, enjoy the ride, and join in on the convo (conversation) whenever you feel like it.&nbsp; Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to hear myself talk.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 02 December 2012 at 19:33</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 15:50<br /><br />I really doubt over the next 2-3 months that you will see a significant swing in the currency.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you're trying to get something short term like that, I think you'll find it's impossible to guess.&nbsp; If I had to guess, I would say most foreigner investments (various fund managers) will do what they do every year.&nbsp; Sell their losers for tax reasons and pull money back into the country.&nbsp; That should push the Real down a bit because people will be trying to dump their Real.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is sort of a global trend, look it up on the yearly charts to see how the last few weeks of december go.<br><br>Long term, I would say the USD is going to get stronger against the Real, for several reasons.&nbsp;&nbsp; Possible economic problems in Brazil, and then Brazil will want to increase it's manufacturing and exports so they could try and weaken it more.<br><br>Overall, i would say the Euro is going to go up against the Real, even though there is a currency mess over there, it's only a matter of time before it actually gets sorted out.&nbsp; Whether it's countries leaving, or a realization that rich countries need to support poor countries, just like in the rich US states supporting poor states. <br><br>Because of Brazils mandatory voting, the president that gives away the most money, is going to often be the winner, and culturally, south america has a history of having currencies tip over.&nbsp; This can't be considered good or bad, it's just history.&nbsp; Each time they bounce back, same with greece, italy, etc.&nbsp; It is a system and part of the culture.&nbsp;&nbsp; In the US, they try and get rid of as many of those voters as possible so they can cater to the rich.&nbsp; A more solid currency, but with each passing year, it gets worse for the poor.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>Short term, look at historic decembers and what happens.<br><br>Longer term, it's probably better to hold onto Euros and see what is going to happen in Brazil.&nbsp; They have had a tremendous growth, which probably isn't possible to maintain, so expect a major correction at some point, buy the Real then, the country will recover, it always does.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12812">markn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 15:06<br /><br />Squiddie: thanks for your response.<div></div>With slang I meant the use of words, abbreviations&nbsp;or expressions that are not so common for English-speakers not coming from the States. Sometimes it is easier for me to communicate in English with a Brazilian than with an American. But hey, that's my problem so consider my remark as 'trolling' (seriously, I had to look up the actual meaning of that word&nbsp;-not because I didn't know it, but because I have no way with it).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<div></div><div>Squiddie,&nbsp;your answer made me decide in an instant! I guess there is just no way of telling.&nbsp;Not fair of me to expect a one-way-answer. Probably shouldn't have asked. I'll have to be lucky on the matter and if not, earn it back.</div><div>Thanks Squiddie!</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Now for my contribution: Since we're&nbsp;in the business of&nbsp;foreseeing, it maybe an idea changing the topic-name into predictions 2013?</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 11:59<br /><br />Well markn newbie, welcome to the forum where every topic gets diluted by chit chatter and the occasional fight or people calling each other trolls. But American slang? Really? May be much focus on the USD/BRL pair.<br><br>Each part of the currency pair adds its own uncertainties, no? When USD is being inflated, that weakens my end of the game. I got big time hurt by EUR failing early, it was like worth 70 or 80 cents when I had to move the rest of my EUR to USD. And now it's excessively strong. I hate the EUR, personal history.<br><br>What you hear here is confidence in the BRL and the economy behind it is lower than the glossy brochures.<br><br>You do get impressive interest rates in Brazil, but pushing money in to hold on a bank account is not great. Put the money to use makes more sense.<br><br>However, where will prices go in Brazil? Given the fact that many people (including Brazilians) complain that Brazil is expensive, you would think that there is room for prices in Brazil to fall. Car prices certainly is something where an avalanche of deflation could start soon. But only Argentinians buy cars as an investment. So, only if falling prices on other industrial goods would cause an easing on service prices would the BRL go a longer way.<br><br>Last week I wired a chunk to Brazil happy about 2.05 or something, and now it broke through to 2.15 who knows where it will stop. If I had transferred just for the speculation I would bite my butt now. But I haven't, so I don't.<br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   Originally posted by markn As...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 10:57<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by markn</strong></em><br /><br /><p>As a straight-forward down to earth guy who is set to sell some Euro's&nbsp;and buy some Reais in the near future for business purposes, I thought I'd take a look here to make my 'guess' on the timing-issue. Wow, is this place hijacked by Americans who think they know!&nbsp;No offense and don't get me wrong, it's an interesting read,&nbsp;but&nbsp;not enitirely on what the topic is about. More&nbsp;on&nbsp;a cultural, social&nbsp;and psychological level.</p><div></div><div>But on a more practical note: Shall I change from Euro to Real this coming week, wait till January, February&nbsp;or is my guess as good as anyone's? Please consider that&nbsp;you are talking to a fairly smart guy, but&nbsp;without special knowledge on the subject: easy on the jargon and American slang if you want to&nbsp;give me&nbsp;some insight&nbsp;-opposed to hearing yourself talk.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><br><br>Depends on what investment you looking to make, the term and how you want to depose of the assets/gains after your investments matures<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12812">markn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 December 2012 at 09:15<br /><br /><p>As a straight-forward down to earth guy who is set to sell some Euro's&nbsp;and buy some Reais in the near future for business purposes, I thought I'd take a look here to make my 'guess' on the timing-issue. Wow, is this place hijacked by Americans who think they know!&nbsp;No offense and don't get me wrong, it's an interesting read,&nbsp;but&nbsp;not enitirely on what the topic is about. More&nbsp;on&nbsp;a cultural, social&nbsp;and psychological level.</p><div></div><div>But on a more practical note: Shall I change from Euro to Real this coming week, wait till January, February&nbsp;or is my guess as good as anyone's? Please consider that&nbsp;you are talking to a fairly smart guy, but&nbsp;without special knowledge on the subject: easy on the jargon and American slang if you want to&nbsp;give me&nbsp;some insight&nbsp;-opposed to hearing yourself talk.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by markn - 02 December 2012 at 09:17</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 17:23<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacare</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I think that the commercial rate, which I often see varying a little from site to site, closed around 2.13, where as the PTAX, which you are probably seeing on the BCB site was around 2.10</td></tr></table><br><br>That's correct.&nbsp; And I only just now learned that the PTAX rate is an average of four rate quotes throughout the day, not the closing rate.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 16:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />I like Google Finance because you get a 10yr/max chart, and they are usually quite close to 'real time' quotes.&nbsp; I just checked the Banco Central site (<a href="http://www.bcb.gov.br" target="_blank">www.bcb.gov.br</a>), and they're quoting 2.10 for yesterday, so which is actually 'up to date'...?</td></tr></table><br>I think that the commercial rate, which I often see varying a little from site to site, closed around 2.13, where as the PTAX, which you are probably seeing on the BCB site was around 2.10. <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 13:51<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I like Google Finance because you get a 10yr/max chart, and they are usually quite close to 'real time' quotes.&nbsp; I just checked the Banco Central site (<a href="http://www.bcb.gov.br" target="_blank">www.bcb.gov.br</a>), and they're quoting 2.10 for yesterday, so which is actually 'up to date'...?<br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>I think Monday we may see the real dip as the BC is to release about 3 billion dollar swaps into the market, (I read that in Bloomberg but cant find the link at the moment)<br>Interestingly enough one of the Corretores in SP even said that the BC will devalue the real in the foreseeable future to be pegged at 2.40 to 1 <br><br>Happy times are coming, again..!!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 13:16<br /><br /><br>I like Google Finance because you get a 10yr/max chart, and they are usually quite close to 'real time' quotes.&nbsp; I just checked the Banco Central site (<a href="http://www.bcb.gov.br" target="_blank">www.bcb.gov.br</a>), and they're quoting 2.10 for yesterday, so which is actually 'up to date'...?<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 01 December 2012 at 13:17</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 13:03<br /><br />^^ but it looks like they gave up, hence we are leaving the declared band, and now they probably just try to keep up preventing too much of an explosion. It's pushing.<br><br>BTW, my favorite chart site on this is not Google Finance (Google Finance has become cada vez worse regarding forex data.) I use Market Watch: <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl" target="_blank">http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl</a>. (They just have a little bug, you need to switch once between the 1d and 5d option to actually see the 1d details.) It's interesting to watch, even though I still think its a farce.<br><br>So, where will it go? The forex "forecast" sites used to say we'd peek in Q4 2012, but do you believe it? I feel we're good to move up like that in 2013, so still good time to get my act together for the next coup. <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 12:07<br /><br />It would be nice but whether we reach there would depend on how much the central is willing to spend to to keep the rate stable.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 09:54<br /><br /><br>Saw yesterday on an app on my phone that we hit 2.13, but google finance was still showing 2.10 last night.&nbsp; They finally updated the rate this morning.&nbsp; That 2.25 rate by the EOM looks quite plausible!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 December 2012 at 07:28<br /><br />hey we at 2,13 today.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Stern%20Smile" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8105">kevbo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 November 2012 at 09:38<br /><br />Sorry I was just trying to echo the sentiments of Boycie about no longer checking the exchnge rate quite so often . I wasn't commenting on you at all.<div>I tried to edit my comment to make that clear but when that didn't come out as I intended I gave up.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>If I knew how to make money on the forex market I certainly would.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 November 2012 at 09:25<br /><br /><strong>kevbo</strong>, no, I really don't care about the Real anymore because I make money in Reais in order to live here (after that episode in 2006-2007). But I DO watch the world's major pairs day in-day out. <br /><br />As I'm typing this, I'm short the Euro. Look at what the Euro is doing. I'm going to try to squeeze a little more out before I get out. It could bite me; I hope not.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8105">kevbo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 November 2012 at 09:17<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I was having a beer in a buteco watching the William Boner on TV. Back in those days, the interest rates in the US were good, so I had some extra spending money. When it dropped to 2,10, I had that sinking feeling in my stomach. The most pressing concern after that was diversifying and making money in Reais!<br></td></tr></table><br><br>You really live your life by the exchange rate don't ya.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br>I wouldn't think much if it when up or down by 5 or 10 points.<br><br>The first year I was here I got a kind of obsession with it<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /> - checking some times twice a day.<br><br>Now I rarely look at it - maybe once or twice a month. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Snap</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8105">kevbo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 November 2012 at 09:15<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />!<br></td></tr></table><br><br>You really live your life by the exchange rate don't ya.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br>I wouldn't think much if it when up or down by 5 or 10 points.<br><br>The first year I was here I got a kind of obsession with it<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /> - checking some times twice a day.<br><br>Now I rarely look at it - maybe once or twice a month. <br><br><br><br>Snap<br><br><br><br>&#091;/QUOTE&#093;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 November 2012 at 09:13<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I was having a beer in a buteco watching the William Boner on TV. Back in those days, the interest rates in the US were good, so I had some extra spending money. When it dropped to 2,10, I had that sinking feeling in my stomach. The most pressing concern after that was diversifying and making money in Reais!<br></td></tr></table><br><br>You really live your life by the exchange rate don't ya.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br>I wouldn't think much if it when up or down by 5 or 10 points.<br><br>The first year I was here I got a kind of obsession with it<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /> - checking some times twice a day.<br><br>Now I rarely look at it - maybe once or twice a month. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 November 2012 at 08:57<br /><br />nothing new, but I'm still sticking with my 2,16'ish prediction.. 2,10 for a while and then 2,16. It was at 2,16 for such a long time. I'll never forget the first time it dropped from that 2,16. I was having a beer in a buteco watching the William Boner on TV. Back in those days, the interest rates in the US were good, so I had some extra spending money. When it dropped to 2,10, I had that sinking feeling in my stomach. The most pressing concern after that was diversifying and making money in Reais!<br /><br /><strong>Squiddie</strong>, the best strategy you can ever have with ANYTHING is to do the opposite of what the HERD is doing.  This applies to everything i.e, money, jobs, projects, investments, trading, mates, college degrees, etc.. When you do this and have a really great outcome, you can buy me a beer. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 28 November 2012 at 08:58</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 November 2012 at 18:47<br /><br />When I said entrepreneurial I was not talking about hiring people, I meant spotting the market gaps and taking some risk and make something.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 November 2012 at 18:30<br /><br />wow.. every equity market up today. Gold up HUGE. the BRL, DOWN! Amazing. This wasn't the case 1,2,3,4,-10 years ago. The politiques want the REAL low. I stick to my past posts, 2,15:1 by the end of the year.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 November 2012 at 18:29<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br />As for the bubble wish, Spongie, I think in Brazil you have to think even more entrepreneurial. <br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Are you crazy Squiddie? I'm a gringo in Brasil that signs a few handfuls of carteiras in MY PERSONAL NAME. More entrepreneurial exists, but it's rare. And you? I know of ALL of the risks concerning businesses, and that's why I'm always thinking to have businesses WITHOUT employess, just like 99,9% of other businesses out there.<br /><br />I'll challenge all of you to an entrepreneurial challenge! In fact, I have to leave to close a business right now. I'll be back later...........]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 November 2012 at 11:42<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />I concur - but if you don't gamble your life will pass before you know it.I invested two years ago when the £ was 2.80 - today its £ - 3.33 - because it was a good investment today I still made a very decent profit, enough to make another very good investment here or out side Brazil. Some times you can wait.. wait .. wait and you'll be old and bitter.. talking about all the opportunities you once had.</td></tr></table><br><br>Virtually every financial decision is a risk, a gamble. &nbsp;Yet there are calculated risks, and fool-hardy ones. &nbsp;Knowing that currency exchange rates are cyclical, and that once in a blue moon a true window of opportunity does indeed open up, IF one can wait, all the better. &nbsp;If not, then no crying over spilt milk when the rate eventually does turn in a direction that means you spent more money than if you'd waited.<br><br>Yet to purchase a place of residence is certainly a decision based on more than &nbsp;just the forex. &nbsp;That 'deal' one learns about will probably not be on the market in a year's time (or two). &nbsp;However, should the forex make a wild swing and one has yet to find their dream home, then jump in anyway, buy something, anything, and then sell it later, in order to obtain something you actually desire. &nbsp;Also, this is an excellent way to get 'money' into the country, for those who do not yet have residency and a bank account.<br><br>EDIT:  And for any of Tio Sam's offspring, that 'money' doesn't need to be reported on an FBAR or by FACTA!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Yeah I like the sound of that<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 November 2012 at 09:40<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />I concur - but if you don't gamble your life will pass before you know it.I invested two years ago when the £ was 2.80 - today its £ - 3.33 - because it was a good investment today I still made a very decent profit, enough to make another very good investment here or out side Brazil. Some times you can wait.. wait .. wait and you'll be old and bitter.. talking about all the opportunities you once had.</td></tr></table><br /><br />Virtually every financial decision is a risk, a gamble.  Yet there are calculated risks, and fool-hardy ones.  Knowing that currency exchange rates are cyclical, and that once in a blue moon a true window of opportunity does indeed open up, IF one can wait, all the better.  If not, then no crying over spilt milk when the rate eventually does turn in a direction that means you spent more money than if you'd waited.<br /><br />Yet to purchase a place of residence is certainly a decision based on more than  just the forex.  That 'deal' one learns about will probably not be on the market in a year's time (or two).  However, should the forex make a wild swing and one has yet to find their dream home, then jump in anyway, buy something, anything, and then sell it later, in order to obtain something you actually desire.  Also, this is an excellent way to get 'money' into the country, for those who do not yet have residency and a bank account.<br /><br />EDIT:  And for any of Tio Sam's offspring, that 'money' doesn't need to be reported on an FBAR or by FACTA!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 23 November 2012 at 09:45</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 21:39<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />It doesn't mean not moving there, or waiting.&nbsp; It means choosing the best options.&nbsp; You can live there for a few years before buying, waiting for the currency to flip into your favor.<br><br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>If you are renting and prices are going north and your waiting for your home currency to get stronger... well good luck to ya... In my case I felt life could be to short to wait for that. <br><br>People are still buying here in Rio's Zona Sul because every body's property has gone up - so Mr Castro sells his 3 bed for R$1.5million&nbsp; and buys a big 2 bed with vaga for R$1.million down the road - either keeps the rest in the bank or buys a studio for his daughter or son in cash. <br><br>Most people here in Rio think Zona Sul's the Promised Land - guys and family's that have done well in Zona North or Niteroi/Barra will always move to Zona Sul if they get the chance - I really can't see that mentality changing for a long.. long time. <br>1 million Real here right now is really not seen as huge money to spend on property - 2 bed in Leblon, no vage, R$1.2Million <br>2 bed with vage in Copacabana R$900k <br><br>People are paying in cash who have sold up and sizing down or moving area - and financing is becoming quicker and more common. <br>What is annoying is the agents don't seem to tell or advise the sellers to put their prices down if they are pricing them to high.. leaving hundreds of empty property's at crazy prices... only some will become tired and sell for a lower price.. many stubborn people will wait as long as it takes. <br><br>I have a friend who was offering R$750k cash a while ago for a 2 bed in Copacabana - he lost to a guy who wanted to pay R$780k but the deal was he would pay R$30k up front and move in whilst paying rent for 6 months - after the 6 months he would pay the remainder R$750k.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Boycie - 22 November 2012 at 21:45</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 21:35<br /><br />yes Brasil requires patients and judgement.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 21:06<br /><br />As for the bubble wish, Spongie, I think in Brazil you have to think even more entrepreneurial. Buying in Ipanema now is pointless, at least until after 2016, so forget it. But not all is lost in Rio. You can still go into the Favela business, and Nova Iguacu and Campo Grande and Guaratiba, and probably Niteroi and north of it are still developing markets to try if you like metropolitan Rio de Janeiro. I am still toying with the idea of having a place that close to the happenings of 2014-16, and considered buying one in Campo Grande but my stbex namorada or what she is now is too unreliable, so I stay clear of the area.<br><br>But I think RJ and SP can only grow so much until people will be fed up of them. There are other regions to go in now and have some patience, and they are not totally overpriced, only for the short time investor they may look like too little of a lottery ticket. But as my case shows (ha! once I survived the first 5 years I guess), you can find stuff that's good if you search for it. Think of the favelistas in Rio, they have toiled there for a generation or two, and now they are close to landing it rich, if they survive this last round of attempt to cheat them out of their achievements.<br><br>Brazil seems to me a country for the patient investor.<br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Squiddie - 22 November 2012 at 21:09</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 20:45<br /><br />It doesn't mean not moving there, or waiting.&nbsp; It means choosing the best options.&nbsp; You can live there for a few years before buying, waiting for the currency to flip into your favor.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 20:25<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />I don't think your greedy, I was in the exact same position a couple of years back. I found it was not worth waiting for the exchange rate to change by a few points.</td></tr></table> <br><br>A few points, agreed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yet consider if we merely go from 2.0 to 2.5....  That's more than a few points, but hardly a huge devaluation.  That 500,000 reais property drops from 250,000 USD to 200K.  That 50K savings is hardly chump change!<br></td></tr></table><br><br><br>I concur - but if you don't gamble your life will pass before you know it.<br>I invested two years ago when the £ was 2.80 - today its £ - 3.33 - because it was a good investment today I still made a very decent profit, enough to make another very good investment here or out side Brazil. <br><br>Some times you can wait.. wait .. wait and you'll be old and bitter.. talking about all the opportunities you once had. <br><br>I respect your $50k savings in the US but if the investment in Brazil isn't going to stop your fingers getting burnt if the milk turns out to be sour, then why bother risking it at all? <br><br>Brazil is high risk, getting money out is another thing to highly consider. <br><br>Thanks for that link about Miami by the way.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 19:26<br /><br />Also, when it drops like a rock like that, people tend to get scared and want to lock in their profits, so they'll take even less, causing the 200K property to drop to 180K or 170K just to get out.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 19:15<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />I don't think your greedy, I was in the exact same position a couple of years back. I found it was not worth waiting for the exchange rate to change by a few points.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />A few points, agreed.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yet consider if we merely go from 2.0 to 2.5....  That's more than a few points, but hardly a huge devaluation.  That 500,000 reais property drops from 250,000 USD to 200K.  That 50K savings is hardly chump change!<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 19:00<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br />How do you come to those conclusions? The textbook devaluation results in property prices getting revalued in the new currency. Devaluation results in inflation that drive property prices even higher. An apartment in Ipanema that is ridiculously priced will get even more ridiculously priced.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />It is true, that after a devaluation of a currency, 'local' prices do readjust, but not immediately.  While there was a nice jump in late 2008, due to the financial meltdown in the EUA, the last devaluation of significant nature was in 2002 and lasted until 2004 (although small dips were sporadically encountered during that two year span).<br /><br />The insane prices in Rio are linked to the announcement of the city being chosen as the site for the 2016 Summer Olympics (and a FIFA city in 2014) thus linked to speculation, and not linked to any significant devaluationof the Real.<br /><br />In fact, one reason I found Floripa so appealing, was that RE prices were primarily listed in reais, whereas most of the premium zona sul properties in Rio were listed in USD.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thus, any devaluation of the Real was irrelevant for a gringo intending to use their home currency to purchase property.<br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 22 November 2012 at 19:03</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 09:30<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>@Boycie:&nbsp; Please don't think us greedy.&nbsp; A <i>momentary</i> huge devaluation in the Real will result in other senseless gringos, like me, who will flood in, buy some real estate, and then eventually set their focus on residency.&nbsp; At the end of the story, they will have made positive contributions to the Brasilian economy.<br><br>I figure on just what I've spent on the dogs I've rescued from the street, I've contributed to at least .75% of the total GDP!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br>I don't think your greedy, I was in the exact same position a couple of years back. <br>I found it was not worth waiting for the exchange rate to change by a few points. <br>Down here might not be doing as well as it used to but its sure beats being in Europe for the time being. <br><br>If I was American then for sure I'd probably have moved back up there about 6 months/ 1 year ago, but as it happens I'm not so I'll make do in Brazil. <br>Shame the immigration system up there is so anal other wise I'd love to spend a couple of years in Miami, that way at least the last however many years learning Portuguese wouldn't be a totally waste<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Boycie - 22 November 2012 at 09:33</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 09:17<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />Please don't think us greedy.  A <em>momentary</em> huge devaluation in the Real will result in other senseless gringos, like me, who will flood in, buy some real estate, and then eventually set their focus on residency.  At the end of the story, they will have made positive contributions to the Brasilian economy.I figure on just what I've spent on the dogs I've rescued from the street, I've contributed to at least .75% of the total GDP!  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />How do you come to those conclusions? The textbook devaluation results in property prices getting revalued in the new currency. Devaluation results in inflation that drive property prices even higher. An apartment in Ipanema that is ridiculously priced will get even more ridiculously priced.<br /><br />I really wish I could see a US-style housing bubble here in Brazil, so that I could buy stuff for even cheaper, but I just don't see it (yet). It will take a considerable shift in Brazilian tastes & desires for the majority of Brazilians to shell out the money to move to suburb-like neighborhoods. We have two multiple factors in opposition to this, such as:<br /><br />1- Many Brazilians are tight fisted<br />2- Taxes are high on cars<br />3- Gasoline is expensive<br />4- Brazilians generally feel safer when they are closer to other people. "Most" Brazilians I know wouldn't live in a standalone house because of this. <br />Basically, it's cultural.<br /><br />The people who stand to lose a lot are those who were buying Reais at R$ 1,5 / $1 and they keep that money in a bank account. They'll take a MASSIVE loss. Even to now, they've lost what, 40%?<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7217">oil&gas</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 22 November 2012 at 07:42<br /><br />It's quite normal that the dollar goes up at the end of the year.<br />The so called yearly "Remessa de Lucros" of foreign companies, lots of Brazilians go on vacation abroad and need money...............<br />Also people who want to have just a small amount of R$ on their bankaccounts at 31/12 for tax reasons and change it for US$ (tradition).<br /><br />But this has more to do with lack of confidence in Brazil on the markets.<br /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 21:20<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />The Gov wants a weak Real to encourage exports.  Not to mention the Federal Public Debt is now at 1.9 Trillion reais, without much to show for in terms of infrastructure. <b>So Lula and Dilma put it on the credit card.</b> The smart money left to buy condos in Miami back at 1.50-1.90 and they are making a killing.</td></tr></table><br><br>Lula/Dilma obviously attended a seminar at Bernanke's Club Fed, and took concoursos offered by Cia Bush/Cheney.<br><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />P.S are things really turning around down in Miami? I've got my eye firmly on the NY market and small apartments have actually dropped a little over the last year.</td></tr></table><br><br>Read this just the other day:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-19/miami-booms-like-never-before-&#111;n-rental-demand-mortgage.html" target="_blank">Miami Booms Like Never Before On Rental Demand</a><br><br>@Boycie:&nbsp; Please don't think us greedy.&nbsp; A <i>momentary</i> huge devaluation in the Real will result in other senseless gringos, like me, who will flood in, buy some real estate, and then eventually set their focus on residency.&nbsp; At the end of the story, they will have made positive contributions to the Brasilian economy.<br><br>I figure on just what I've spent on the dogs I've rescued from the street, I've contributed to at least .75% of the total GDP!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 20:39<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br /><br><br>May I just say how absolutely horrible it is reading about how you lot want the Real to strengthen! when your making money or have big investments here its painful reading your dirty desires.I for one would very much like it to stay R$2.00 - $1.00 for all of 2013.Don't give a monkeys about the strengthening of the USD<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />  <br></td></tr></table><br>So you are unaware "things have changed." Dilma and her PT buddies pushed interest rates down bigtime so that interest rates are negative on savings in Brazil. Inflation is high and economic growth is stagnant. The Gov wants a weak Real to encourage exports.  Not to mention the Federal Public Debt is now at 1.9 Trillion reais, without much to show for in terms of infrastructure. So Lula and Dilma put it on the credit card. The smart money left to buy condos in Miami back at 1.50-1.90 and they are making a killing. Brazil with Dilma is a stagnant high inflation economy. So real is destined to go to the garbage heap taking Petrobras and the presal bet with it. Brazilians will pay the price at the pump for decades.</td></tr></table><br><br>Yes I am aware thank you, I'm going to take a gamble that things wont change that much next year. <br>Maybe after a significant event like the word cup in 2014.<br>You really think the circumstances in the states is that good? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Embarrassed" /><br><br>P.S are things really turning around down in Miami? I've got my eye firmly on the NY market and small apartments have actually dropped a little over the last year.(not saying they will any further though)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Boycie - 22 November 2012 at 09:16</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 20:16<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br />May I just say how absolutely horrible it is reading about how you lot want the Real to strengthen! when your making money or have big investments here its painful reading your dirty desires.I for one would very much like it to stay R$2.00 - $1.00 for all of 2013.Don't give a monkeys about the strengthening of the USD<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />  <br /></td></tr></table><br />So you are unaware "things have changed." Dilma and her PT buddies pushed interest rates down bigtime so that interest rates are negative on savings in Brazil. Inflation is high and economic growth is stagnant. The Gov wants a weak Real to encourage exports.  Not to mention the Federal Public Debt is now at 1.9 Trillion reais, without much to show for in terms of infrastructure. So Lula and Dilma put it on the credit card. The smart money left to buy condos in Miami back at 1.50-1.90 and they are making a killing. Brazil with Dilma is a stagnant high inflation economy. So real is destined to go to the garbage heap taking Petrobras and the presal bet with it. Brazilians will pay the price at the pump for decades.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 20:04<br /><br />May I just say how absolutely horrible it is reading about how you lot want the <br>Real to strengthen! when your making money or have big investments here its painful reading your dirty desires.<br><br>I for one would very much like it to stay R$2.00 - $1.00 for all of 2013.<br>Don't give a monkeys about the strengthening of the USD<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /> <br><br><br><br><br> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Boycie - 21 November 2012 at 20:06</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 19:34<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />I thinking 2,08 maximum, maybe 2,15 by the end of 2013. <br /></td></tr></table>It reached &lt;span ="pr"&gt;&lt;span ="bld"&gt;2.0988 today.  Markets are closed in EUA tomorrow, but rest of the world keeps churning.  I think Friday will bring us 2.10.  Hitting 2.25 by Dec 31 is quite feasible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</td></tr></table> <br />The parallel market reached 2,23 for the Dollar today. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 18:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />I thinking 2,08 maximum, maybe 2,15 by the end of 2013.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br>It reached <span ="pr"><span ="bld">2.0988 today.&nbsp; Markets are closed in EUA tomorrow, but rest of the world keeps churning.&nbsp; I think Friday will bring us 2.10.&nbsp; Hitting 2.25 by Dec 31 is quite feasible.<br><br><br><br></span></span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 17:54<br /><br />I thinking 2,08 maximum, maybe 2,15 by the end of 2013. BOB is working to hard to keep the exchange rate stable.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 17:19<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I stick to my original idea: 2,15 for the commercial rate by years end. It may be 2,12, or even 2,18, but that's close enough.</td></tr></table><br><br>I like GBoF's 2.25-2.50 prediction better!&nbsp;&nbsp; Whoever comes closest, first round of beers on me!!! &nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 14:17<br /><br />I stick to my original idea: 2,15 for the commercial rate by years end. It may be 2,12, or even 2,18, but that's close enough.<br /><br /><em>The following is not an advertisement, encouragement, or recommendation -&gt;&gt;</em> I bought some Nokia shares on Monday.  I rarely buy shares. I'm just saying so you guys can see if I'm winning or losing.  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> I didn't even put a stop on it. If it drops to zero, I lose the money. If it triples or quadruples, I win big. Justification: A lot of Americans were bad mouthing Nokia back when the iPhone ripoff was very popular. I'm hoping Nokia and Micro$oft will steal some market share from iphone and samsung. I think I'm up 15% since Monday, but that's an insignificant % since it could gain or lose 100% from here.<br /><br /><strong>Squiddie</strong> - I hope you are making money in Brazil. Dollar and Euros burn very quickly here in Brazil.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 21 November 2012 at 05:28<br /><br />Brazil now haw trade deficits. Lower price for commodities, big spending for Petrobras, importing gasoline, importing wheat, crap from China, low interest rates, high inflation, <br />stagnant growth, take the real to 2.25 to 2.50.<br /><br />Brassers still come back with full suitcases, gringoes go home empty handed. Not much worth buying in Brazil.<br /><br />Dollar at 2.15 for sale at the exchange houses and Brassers are buying. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 21 November 2012 at 05:30</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8727">ganeshrkara</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 November 2012 at 23:01<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by ganeshrkara</strong></em><br /><br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by ganeshrkara</strong></em><br /><br />  2.00 - 2.20  for   2012</td></tr></table>   <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Star" />  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" />  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 November 2012 at 22:04<br /><br />Holding at 2.08 today. We will see.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 November 2012 at 18:35<br /><br />Yes, we are now touching that 2.1 ceiling a lot more credibly than those little spikes every now and then. The mass is moving up. It's a good time to shuffle some money over to use.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Squiddie - 20 November 2012 at 18:35</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 November 2012 at 18:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />Wow.. 2,08 today! This is playing out well. I'm still thinking 2,16 is the next target. The Real seems to be screwed no matter what. We shall see!</td></tr></table><br><br>As long as this 'fiscal cliff' melodrama is being played out in the EUA, we should see an upward trend.&nbsp; Between now and Dec 31st might be one's best opportunity to take advantage of an improving USD:BRL rate.<br><br>Spin the wheel... let's see if we can at least hit 2.25!!!<br><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 November 2012 at 22:15<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br />Squiddie, what you are talking about is just regular market movements. Prices have a very strong tendency to gravitate between support and resistance (previous price levels). It's the most interesting thing to watch in real-time. You can draw the line on the chart, and eventually it's going to touch that line. This is why my bet is that 2,10 - 2,15 are the next "touches". The Real stuck around 2,16 for a long time. That says to me that once price hits that level, it's likely to bounce back at that point. If it surges through, it usually comes back for a pullback.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Wow.. 2,08 today! This is playing out well. I'm still thinking 2,16 is the next target. The Real seems to be screwed no matter what. We shall see!<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 November 2012 at 17:29<br /><br />^^ by the way, that big spike was probably the result of the Brazilian Central bank buying dollars and selling Reais.<br /><br /><strong>Squiddie</strong>, I've been evaluating Iron FX or the past month or so. They offer just about every instrument you can think of. For Forex, they are decent, IMHO, in the top 10% in the case of spreads and offering. You can get most pairs, but the USDBRL is not available. I personally don't want to trade the USDBRL because I live here, and I figure my "Brazil risk" is already quite high. Same thing for shares. I will not buy or short Brazilians shares. Maybe this is a stubborn hold back for me, but that's how  what I do/how I am.<br /><br />I have also worked with two other brokers, but 1 of them only offers major forex pairs, and the other is a complete PITA to login to the account so I don't use that account very often. Iron FX is good if you want to be able to open up charts on everything: Oil, Gold, Wheat, FOREX, etc...<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 November 2012 at 17:22<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br /><br />It is called herd mentality. Sponge I find it abit disingenuous of you to imply that exchanges rates are only affected by fundamentals. Useless you think the actions of speculators driving prices up or down in the market towards their ends is a fundamental?<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Are you out of your mind, man? Fundamentals for me are worthless. The ONLY thing I have ever been any good at is doing things differently. Announcements, on the other hand, I watch just to see if there's going to possibly be any crazy volatility in the markets.<br /><br />I was back at the game on Friday after 3 months away. Wow.. what a great day. I'm actually considering hiring a Brazilian woman to watch the screen for me, and show them when to enter and when to exit. I say "woman" because I think a women are better at multitasking than men are, and they are much nicer to look at, and some other reasons.. etc... At least on this site and the internet, I've never seen such proposals. This may be the start of something...<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 November 2012 at 14:12<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />We have a similar type float. No one wants to subject their currency to the full Idiocies of the currency markets.</td></tr></table> <br><br>No, it's called reality. Politicians don't want to have to their currency reflect their own fundamentals or be constrained by limits on spending. That's why the US could never stick to something like a gold standard, or any other peg for that matter.<br><br>I"m still trying to figure out why humans feel the need to "elect" people, who (the vast majority) just enrich themselves.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>It is called herd mentality. Sponge I find it abit disingenuous of you to imply that exchanges rates are only affected by fundamentals. Useless you think the actions of speculators driving prices up or down in the market towards their ends is a fundamental?<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by frank4000 - 13 November 2012 at 14:18</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 November 2012 at 08:16<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />We have a similar type float. No one wants to subject their currency to the full Idiocies of the currency markets.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />No, it's called reality. Politicians don't want to have to their currency reflect their own fundamentals or be constrained by limits on spending. That's why the US could never stick to something like a gold standard, or any other peg for that matter.<br /><br />I"m still trying to figure out why humans feel the need to "elect" people, who (the vast majority) just enrich themselves.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 November 2012 at 22:19<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />Sorry squiddie, when I wrote SWAP, my brain was thinking "forward contracts". Most major pairs pay (and take) the swap interest daily.<br><br>There's an ETF that trades in the US. I "think" it pays interest at very close to the rate here. If it really DOES pay that rate, then that's a heck of a lot easier, if the interest is what you want to receive.<br><br>Farce? I think so. Brazil has what they call a "dirty float" because it's not really free floating. The central bank is always "managing" it. Brazilians are very sensitive with their currency. That's why they always talk about the dirty "speculators" in the financial media.<br><br>For your last paragraph, I think you have to call the Brazilian Futures Exchange. I also think that certain doors open up to hedge funds that have 100 million to invest versus a retail investor who just has a couple thousand dollars to a couple hundred thousand to invest.</td></tr></table><br><br>We have a similar type float. No one wants to subject their currency to the full Idiocies of the currency markets.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 November 2012 at 15:29<br /><br />Sorry squiddie, when I wrote SWAP, my brain was thinking "forward contracts". Most major pairs pay (and take) the swap interest daily.<br /><br />There's an ETF that trades in the US. I "think" it pays interest at very close to the rate here. If it really DOES pay that rate, then that's a heck of a lot easier, if the interest is what you want to receive.<br /><br />Farce? I think so. Brazil has what they call a "dirty float" because it's not really free floating. The central bank is always "managing" it. Brazilians are very sensitive with their currency. That's why they always talk about the dirty "speculators" in the financial media.<br /><br />For your last paragraph, I think you have to call the Brazilian Futures Exchange. I also think that certain doors open up to hedge funds that have 100 million to invest versus a retail investor who just has a couple thousand dollars to a couple hundred thousand to invest.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 November 2012 at 10:11<br /><br />Thanks Spongebob, but haven't we tried this before? I contacted 2 of these where they ended up not supporting USD BRL. One of them said they were now ("soon") going into that market. Because it is really illegal to do trading in BRL that bypasses the Brazilian central bank, no? <br><br>The ActiveTrades.co.uk lists BRL only as a CFD, which is a derivative, they will not deliver BRL. The other site too is a futures contract, some derivative. I am not looking for opportunities to bet on a currency pair with BRL in it, I am interested to buying BRL in order to have the option of converting BRL into real estate or other investments, at least to earn Brazilian money market interest.<br><br>And even if I didn't want to actually use the BRL that I am "buying" and even if I was interested in forfeiting the interest paid when you put real BRL into a Brazilian bank, and hence only take the inflation risk and none of the benefits, even if I was interested in that, I still would like to know how really, at the end of the day, the BRL FOREX market really works.<br><br>It still looks like a farce to me. A central bank having the monopoly on the trade, everything else being declared illegal, and then seeing movements with outliers and me wondering why this game with outliers if the market is centralized?<br><br>Does anyone actually know really how it works at the end of the day that USD is actually converted into BRL that someone can touch and use? Where does that actual conversion actually happen?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 November 2012 at 09:24<br /><br />Here you go Squiddie:<br /><br /><a href="%20" target="_blank">http://www.activtrades.co.uk/index.aspx?page=forex_specs</a><br /><br />You can trade the USDBRL with them, but the spread on the USDBRL is too high in my opinion. The seem to have SWAPS available too, which I have never seen offered at retail brokerages.<br /><br />Overall, this brokers looks good:<br />1- FSA regulated<br />2- easy funding (and they charge 1,5%)<br />3- small account if you want it (less risk should something blows up like MF Global and PFGBest did)<br /><a href="%20" target="_blank">http://www.futuresmag.com/2012/10/01/going-backwards</a> <br />4- decent spreads on the common pairs, not great, but about in the middle.<br /><br />I read that the spread on the EURUSD is around 2 pips. The spread on the USDBRL is 100 pips!! Swaps are probably more em conta.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 November 2012 at 21:42<br /><br />So is the BRL FOREX market a free market? Nowhere in the world can you trade BRL, no broker does it. Where do you do it? Do these people congregate in Brasilia or São Paulo and they need a license or is it some government officials that sit at their desk deciding? If it's not a free exchange, why the movements and if it is free why can't I do online trading?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 November 2012 at 10:30<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Question to you traders. I was just hecking the rates now, I always go to this marketwatch.com USD BRL intraday place <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl" target="_blank">http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl</a> and here is the result just now. Look at the peeks in both direction. The bulk is at 2.046 but there is a crazy peek to 2.08 and one down to 2.040 between 8 and 10 am:Can anyone explain to me how a currency whose exchange is all centralized can fluctuate so much? And how can it fluctuate so much? What do you have to do to get your exchange executed on the top of that peek? It happens like this every few weeks. Someone is getting a good deal here, how is that possible?Forum was deleting my inline image. Let's try this, click to see picture:</td></tr></table><br /><br />Squiddie, what you are talking about is just regular market movements. Prices have a very strong tendency to gravitate between support and resistance (previous price levels). It's the most interesting thing to watch in real-time. You can draw the line on the chart, and eventually it's going to touch that line. This is why my bet is that 2,10 - 2,15 are the next "touches". The Real stuck around 2,16 for a long time. That says to me that once price hits that level, it's likely to bounce back at that point. If it surges through, it usually comes back for a pullback.<br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 11 November 2012 at 10:33</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 November 2012 at 16:20<br /><br />The Government of Brazil is active in the FX market. Read O Estado de Sao Paulo, "Economia" section. You will learn about Guido Mantega of the Ministerio da Fazendo and Nobrega at the Central Bank. The Gov wants the Real to trade between 2 to 2.1 and steps in to buy or sell dollars to maintain the currency band. Bands can last for awile yet often they blow up when the Black Swan event occurs. Massive drought kills off the crops, kills the cattle, little rain for hydro and bingo, dollars from exports drop and the band is broken. Perhaps demand from China and or Eurpope is low, prices drop and the band snaps. Bands can be shifted as well. So the Brazilian Gov also trades in futures markets. That is enough for now. <br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Question to you traders. I was just hecking the rates now, I always go to this marketwatch.com USD BRL intraday place <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl" target="_blank">http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl</a> and here is the result just now. Look at the peeks in both direction. The bulk is at 2.046 but there is a crazy peek to 2.08 and one down to 2.040 between 8 and 10 am:Can anyone explain to me how a currency whose exchange is all centralized can fluctuate so much? And how can it fluctuate so much? What do you have to do to get your exchange executed on the top of that peek? It happens like this every few weeks. Someone is getting a good deal here, how is that possible?Forum was deleting my inline image. 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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 November 2012 at 15:48<br /><br />Question to you traders. I was just hecking the rates now, I always go to this marketwatch.com USD BRL intraday place <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl" target="_blank">http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/currency/usdbrl</a> and here is the result just now. Look at the peeks in both direction. The bulk is at 2.046 but there is a crazy peek to 2.08 and one down to 2.040 between 8 and 10 am:<br><br>Can anyone explain to me how a currency whose exchange is all centralized can fluctuate so much? And how can it fluctuate so much? What do you have to do to get your exchange executed on the top of that peek? It happens like this every few weeks. Someone is getting a good deal here, how is that possible?<br><br>Forum was deleting my inline image. 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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : I have a self interest now to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 November 2012 at 15:40<br /><br />I have a self interest now to want to believe, but from my youth I never understood why capital gains, interest and dividends should be taxed any less than at general income tax rates. I just don't get it.<br><br>Whether I gain value by processing some goods or by just trading them to higher price markets through space or through time, it's all the same, income. Dividends too, in theory, companies should deduct dividend payments from their corporate income tax the same way as wage payments, and then that dividend income would be taxed at the same level as other income.<br><br>Doing anything else is utterly unfair against the people who work their asses off to gather enough wealth to one day be able to live from the fruits of their saved financial resources.<br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 November 2012 at 14:53<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />During a major world war, I kind of expect governments to change their behaviour and make sure the country survives.   Not that a few people remain rich, but that the whole country is fed, and safe.  I believe I had heard that confiscated story, but never really looked into what it entailed</td></tr></table><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102" target="_blank">The Gold Reserve Act</a> had nothing to do with wartime, nor was gold confiscated.  However, it did become ILLEGAL to possess gold coins or bullion.  Ford eventually repealed this law, and now, so I hear, people are making regular shopping trips to Hong Kong for the gold panda coin, minted in China, to add to their portfolio.Point is, as history reveals time and time again, governments can do anything they fookin want, in the name of 'security', be they considered "stable", or whacked (and by who's definition?).Like it or not, the big currency issue of our day is the dominance of the USD.  It's becoming clearly obvious the world is growing weary of this monopoly, as well as the strong-arm tactics of Tio Sam and his evil twin, The Fed.  It's just a matter of time before the Dollar as King is dethroned (or decapitated).But until that happens... give me a 3.O rate!  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></td></tr></table> <br />No way you are wrong. You think the Euro of the Chinese funny money will take the place? USA will come back. There will be a peace dividend. Taxes will go up on capital gains, the dollar will surge when interest rates start back up. QE will come to an end. Do not bet against  the dollar. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />We'll see. All Economics textbooks I have seem say that low taxes on capital gains are good and high taxes are bad. But what you are saying is "converging" with everything everyone else is saying on here: The value of the Real is setting up to drop which means risk aversion in the markets.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 November 2012 at 14:49<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />During a major world war, I kind of expect governments to change their behaviour and make sure the country survives.   Not that a few people remain rich, but that the whole country is fed, and safe.  I believe I had heard that confiscated story, but never really looked into what it entailed</td></tr></table><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102" target="_blank">The Gold Reserve Act</a> had nothing to do with wartime, nor was gold confiscated. </td></tr></table> <br /><br />What do they call that? Syntax, semantics, etc?? What's the  difference from being "confiscated" and "illegal to posses, you HAVE to sell it to them"???<br /><br />Meanwhile, in the Land of Uncle Sam: how many times do you see me say in here that I DO NOT invest in stocks because 99% of all companies are out of business in a few years? MANY! Check this out:<br /><a href="http://m&#111;ney.cnn.com/2012/11/09/technology/group&#111;n-stock/index.html" target="_blank">http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/09/technology/groupon-stock/index.html</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think I have the workings of a good strategy for this in mind. Another strategy that I already use is when "common people" (doctors, lawyers, dentists, cab drivers, bums) start asking about investing in shares, <u>I go short</u>. This really works well, problem is that I don't know enough people to give me fresh ideas. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 10 November 2012 at 14:50</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 19:29<br /><br />The US isn't the only country that uses the USD as their primary currency, and there are many countries that might as well be using it, by pegging their currency to the USD. &nbsp; So there is a lot of wealth being held in USD by many people around the world.<br><br>No other currency even comes remotely close to this.&nbsp;&nbsp; No one is going to trust a euro backed currency for a world currency now.&nbsp; China is a mess.&nbsp; No other country has a stable enough economy, government and enough history to gain the respect that the USD has. <br><br>The dollar doesn't need to do much to gain strength again.&nbsp;&nbsp; A bit of inflation, a bit higher taxes, an improving economy, ending wars, it all adds up.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 18:01<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />During a major world war, I kind of expect governments to change their behaviour and make sure the country survives.   Not that a few people remain rich, but that the whole country is fed, and safe.  I believe I had heard that confiscated story, but never really looked into what it entailed</td></tr></table><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102" target="_blank">The Gold Reserve Act</a> had nothing to do with wartime, nor was gold confiscated.  However, it did become ILLEGAL to possess gold coins or bullion.  Ford eventually repealed this law, and now, so I hear, people are making regular shopping trips to Hong Kong for the gold panda coin, minted in China, to add to their portfolio.Point is, as history reveals time and time again, governments can do anything they fookin want, in the name of 'security', be they considered "stable", or whacked (and by who's definition?).Like it or not, the big currency issue of our day is the dominance of the USD.  It's becoming clearly obvious the world is growing weary of this monopoly, as well as the strong-arm tactics of Tio Sam and his evil twin, The Fed.  It's just a matter of time before the Dollar as King is dethroned (or decapitated).But until that happens... give me a 3.O rate!  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></td></tr></table> <br />No way you are wrong. You think the Euro of the Chinese funny money will take the place? USA will come back. There will be a peace dividend. Taxes will go up on capital gains, the dollar will surge when interest rates start back up. QE will come to an end. Do not bet against  the dollar. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 09 November 2012 at 18:02</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 17:43<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />During a major world war, I kind of expect governments to change their behaviour and make sure the country survives. &nbsp; Not that a few people remain rich, but that the whole country is fed, and safe.&nbsp; I believe I had heard that confiscated story, but never really looked into what it entailed</td></tr></table><br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102" target="_blank">The Gold Reserve Act</a> had nothing to do with wartime, nor was gold confiscated.&nbsp; However, it did become ILLEGAL to possess gold coins or bullion.&nbsp; Ford eventually repealed this law, and now, so I hear, people are making regular shopping trips to Hong Kong for the gold panda coin, minted in China, to add to their portfolio.<br><br>Point is, as history reveals time and time again, governments can do anything they fookin want, in the name of 'security', be they considered "stable", or whacked (and by who's definition?).<br><br>Like it or not, the big currency issue of our day is the dominance of the USD.&nbsp; It's becoming clearly obvious the world is growing weary of this monopoly, as well as the strong-arm tactics of Tio Sam and his evil twin, The Fed.&nbsp; It's just a matter of time before the Dollar as King is dethroned (or decapitated).<br><br>But until that happens... give me a 3.O rate!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 16:21<br /><br />During a major world war, I kind of expect governments to change their behaviour and make sure the country survives. &nbsp; Not that a few people remain rich, but that the whole country is fed, and safe.&nbsp; I believe I had heard that confiscated story, but never really looked into what it entailed.&nbsp;&nbsp; The US also tossed people in camps and what not.&nbsp;&nbsp; It wasn't a pretty time for the world.<br><br>There is a big difference between that event, and most currency issues where they happen because it's convenient.<br><br>In the end, a stable governments can do whatever they want.&nbsp;&nbsp; In reality, they don't do it unless it's a major issue.&nbsp;&nbsp; As we're seeing in Greece and some other european countries, they operate with a mentality that to "fix" the problems they simply change their currency value and or change the currency.&nbsp;&nbsp; That is built into their system.&nbsp; Not something drastic, but something expected.&nbsp;&nbsp; Now they can't do that, but they operated as if they could.<br><br>Brazil operates as if it's currency isn't going to last.&nbsp;&nbsp; 10-12% interest rates? for 40 years?&nbsp; The math for those loans basically says "something bad is going to happen".&nbsp;&nbsp; At some point, Brazil will have to deal with it's debt and it won't be through repayment, or repayment with a massively devalued currency.&nbsp; It won't work through it's problems.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 15:48<br /><br /><strong>jkennedy</strong>, what you are saying is very textbook best-case scenario. Most governments don't do it quite this way. Even the USofA <font size="6">&#091;confiscated&#093;</font> bought gold at a discount compared to the price for international transactions. It's too easy for governments to make a little extra and they usually do.<br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 09 November 2012 at 15:49</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 14:39<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><b>Gf</b> - someone told me the other day that the Brazzer government has a law in place that during a national crisis, they can legally confiscate all of the money that you have in the bank.&nbsp; Doh!</td></tr></table><br><br>Thus, my present belief in putting as much of one's assets as possible into 'infrastructure'... be it a rental apartment, sítio (replete with cisterns and crops), or whatever else you might 'earn' tangibles from....<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 13:45<br /><br />A fiat currency is dictated by the government.&nbsp; It doesn't matter if those laws are there or not. &nbsp;&nbsp; If they need to change the dynamics of a currency due to some unforeseen event, they can. &nbsp;&nbsp; One reason people like the USD, they haven't really done anything insane over the last 70 years with their currency.&nbsp; Lots of people use it, and it's backed up by lots of manufacturing. &nbsp; Even when people say they print money, they're in a safer position and know exactly what to expect with it.<br><br>Some african countries changed out money frequently, and it was a way of "collecting" taxes. &nbsp; People had to exchange the currency, if they had too much, they were taxed or forced to explain where it came from.&nbsp;&nbsp; Essentially to deal with money laundering.<br><br>But fiat currencies can do this at any time.&nbsp;&nbsp; The thing is, whatever currency replaces it, your "hourly wages" will be reset to whatever is fair.&nbsp; If a maid makes X and you made 3X, you'll do the same in the new currency.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1715">jacare</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 12:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><b>Gf</b> - someone told me the other day that the Brazzer government has a law in place that during a national crisis, they can legally confiscate all of the money that you have in the bank.&nbsp; Doh!</td></tr></table><br>Bank accounts were 'frozen' under the Plano Collar. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 11:04<br /><br /><b>Gf</b> - someone told me the other day that the Brazzer government has a law in place that during a national crisis, they can legally confiscate all of the money that you have in the bank.&nbsp; Doh!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 11:02<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />If you happen to check this site and you don't see the candles squiggling around, the click on a shorter timeframe.</td></tr></table><br><br>So what's your by-the-end-of-year prediction Bob?&nbsp; Will we see a USD rally?&nbsp; The market doesn't seem to be responding well to O's re-election.&nbsp; Yet it sure did listen to him in March 2009, when he said it was "time to buy" stocks again.&nbsp; Stocks down/stronger dollar.&nbsp; Stocks up/weaker dollar.<br><br>Mitt, as tenant of the Casa Branca, would have meant a swifter route to war with Iran, rather than attempting diplomacy.&nbsp; And we undoubtedly know that war is always good for the US economy (but destroys the soul), right?<br><br>Greece and Spain about to boil over on to the floor, and create a huge mess to clean up.&nbsp; Ireland/Portugal too.&nbsp; Brasil is about to buy some of Bernanke's printing presses.&nbsp; Where does it go from here...?<br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>I DON'T have any money on this, but I'm thinking exactly what you said. I have been saying for a long time that Dilma will have a s**t-fit if the Real goes back under 2.0. It already seems like things are slowing down everywhere. The Euro's probably going to try to test that old low of 1,20'ish. I'm betting the real will be 2,15'ish by the end of the year.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 09:05<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Grads</strong></em><br /><br />Renminbi...</td></tr></table><br><br>Yes, I know.&nbsp; But without having to go to HK, where can one exchange for it (here in Brasil)?<br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 08:37<br /><br />Renminbi...<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 November 2012 at 07:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />If you happen to check this site and you don't see the candles squiggling around, the click on a shorter timeframe.</td></tr></table><br><br>So what's your by-the-end-of-year prediction Bob?&nbsp; Will we see a USD rally?&nbsp; The market doesn't seem to be responding well to O's re-election.&nbsp; Yet it sure did listen to him in March 2009, when he said it was "time to buy" stocks again.&nbsp; Stocks down/stronger dollar.&nbsp; Stocks up/weaker dollar.<br><br>Mitt, as tenant of the Casa Branca, would have meant a swifter route to war with Iran, rather than attempting diplomacy.&nbsp; And we undoubtedly know that war is always good for the US economy (but destroys the soul), right?<br><br>Greece and Spain about to boil over on to the floor, and create a huge mess to clean up.&nbsp; Ireland/Portugal too.&nbsp; Brasil is about to buy some of Bernanke's printing presses.&nbsp; Where does it go from here...?<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 November 2012 at 20:11<br /><br />I deserve the "On Topic" Medal of Merit for this link. This site has USDBRL charts in real time, and multiple timeframes. When I found it this afternoon, price was bumping into 2,04 territory. Now try to find a broker if you actually want to trade it. I only know of one and the spread is too high.<br><br>If you happen to check this site and you don't see the candles squiggling around, the click on a shorter timeframe. If that still doesn't work, lemme know and I'll try to find the bigger charts that I saw today.<br><br><a href="http://www.forexpros.com/currencies/usd-brl-chart" target="_blank">http://www.forexpros.com/currencies/usd-brl-chart</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 November 2012 at 20:04<br /><br /><i>Ordem e Caos</i>, I like/liked that one a lot. You guys are thinking about leaving? Me? Naahh.. Seems like everywhere I go, Facebook or here, there are people bitching about the problems of where they live. I think that's just human nature. FYI, I have a couple of documented/proven cases where people move out of Brazil and are usually back within a couple of years. The grass is always greener until you have lived there for a few years, right?<br><br>Sometimes I know it's hard. People like me will never talk 100% like a Brazilian or be able to do some things like Brazilians do. &#091;But I have a native accent when I speak English, and not a cheesy Brazilian accent&#093;. I guess that's just life: It's either this little downside to living here or terror alerts in the land of Uncle Sam. The wife, kid, toys, etc.. are all here. I'm not 20 years old anymore. Moving is not fun, especially to a different country.<br><br><b>@GF</b> - if you really think about it, it's <i>ordem e caos</i> everywhere. I'm trying NOT to get too philosophical, but it's hard. Really, what is the "glue" that keeps things from going ape sh*t? A shortage of this "glue" almost anywhere in the world nowadays would result in major problems.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 November 2012 at 17:23<br /><br />The government will do what is necessary to NOT destroy the country.&nbsp; Forcing banks to liquidate would have done that.&nbsp;&nbsp; People like me would have made out like mad bandits, instead of 6 properties, I would have had 15-25, almost clear and free!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 November 2012 at 14:26<br /><br />Cool, thanks GBF for the update. Yeah you wish banks would be forced to liquidate assets. On the other hand, the reluctance and the slow process may actually have prevented the US housing recession to turn into a total panic. But when you are long on cash, you love a good panic.<br><br>In that sense, I was a bit selfishly disappointed Romney didn't get elected. A quick predictable boom-bust cycle would have been good to practice some of what we learned from the years of Reagan and Bush the dimwit.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 22:22<br /><br />Yeah chief we need a update]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 20:15<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />Great time to buy a condo in Barcelona...</td></tr></table>And next year, even better!  Prices have hardly bottomed-out there.  BTW, weren't you supposed to go on a fact-finding mission for us GBoF?!?</td></tr></table> <br /><br />I might head to Barcelona in Dec for a week. Perhaps move it to April when Spring is in the air. I met a gentleman from Spain who works for the Gov and he tells me the banks must start selling off bad assets next year and prices should be 20-30% lower as they have over a hundred thousand condos to sell. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> He tells me the best website to track Spanish real estate is  www.idealista.com .  He travels first class, was recently in SP and Harvard on Gov PR work. Nice.  I was in Madrid last December and it was very cold, near freezing at night.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 07 November 2012 at 20:17</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 19:50<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />Great time to buy a condo in Barcelona...</td></tr></table><br><br>And next year, even better!&nbsp; Prices have hardly bottomed-out there.&nbsp; BTW, weren't you supposed to go on a fact-finding mission for us GBoF?!?<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 19:43<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Esprit... Which land beckons?</td></tr></table>I'm 'predicting' Singapore.  A chummy neighbor of Saverin's.  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />I bet he's off to Thailand or Barcelona.  Spain is a cheap as it gets and offers a great lifestyle. Great time to buy a condo in Barcelona...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 19:36<br /><br /><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />         Esprit... Which land beckons?</td></tr></table><br><br>I'm 'predicting' Singapore.&nbsp; A chummy neighbor of Saverin's.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 19:02<br /><br />Esprit,<br /><br />Please say in touch. This board will dearly miss you.<br /><br />Which land beckons? <br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br />&lt;font size="3" face="Times New Roman"&gt;<br /><br /></font>&lt;p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Msonormal"&gt;&lt;span ="st"&gt;&lt;span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'&gt;Well frankly gentlemen, having<br />reached a 60% value gain with an all Brazilian investment portfolio that has steadfastly<br />provided a return of in excess of 11%&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt; <br />&lt;/span&gt;every year, I feel that it’s time to withdraw both from the currency and<br />the country; Brazil has, I feel, peaked and is incapable of exponential<br />improvement. The sirens of first world horizons beckon.&lt;?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</p>&lt;font size="3" face="Times New Roman"&gt;<br /><br /></font></td></tr></table> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 18:44<br /><br /><br>Oh, Esprit, please don't tell us you're leaving!&nbsp; Yet given your portfolio's performance, I certainly don't blame you.&nbsp; An excellent return, so good for you!!!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><br><br>A few years ago, when the Real was in 1.7 to 1.5 territory, and never-before-lived-in-condos in Miami were selling at a 40-50% discount, I mulled over the same idea: time to cash in all my chips.&nbsp; For a second or two.&nbsp; Call me crazy, but I prefer to stick it out here, with <i>Ordem com Caos</i>, than back in the 'Homeland'.&nbsp; Yet for you, back in the UK (or is it Ireland?), militarism has not crept into every aspect of civilian life, as it has at Tio Sam's fazenda, has it?&nbsp; At least not yet....<br><br><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/opini&#111;n/the-permanent-militarizati&#111;n-of-america.html" target="_blank">The PERMANENT Militarization of America</a><br><i><br>Boa sorte and boa viagem Esprit!&nbsp; Volta sempre!!!</i><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 17:40<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Well frankly gentlemen, havingreached a 60% value gain with an all Brazilian investment portfolio that has steadfastlyprovided a return of in excess of 11%<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>every year, I feel that it’s time to withdraw both from the currency andthe country; Brazil has, I feel, peaked and is incapable of exponentialimprovement. The sirens of first world horizons beckon.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 November 2012 at 17:06<br /><br /><br>Now that the dog and pony show is over in the EUA (known as elections), I expect we'll some of the levees finally burst in the EU insolvency situation.&nbsp; Though I doubt we'll see GBoF's 3.0 prediction arrive in the next 45 days or so, I'll happily take 2.5&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/06/markets-forex-idUSL5E8M631M20121106" target="_blank">Haven Demand Sharpens Appetite for Dollar</a><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 22:15<br /><br />Keep investing in those stocks, and if you ever decide to hold long-term, you will get your a$$ handed to you on a tin platter. Go for it, but there was someone here that was telling you not to.<br /><br />By the way, the new currency will be the "novo doce real". (sounds BREGA, right!) <br /><br />They can't say Cruzeiro because that would show favoritism to the team. The government likes to stay neutral nowadays.<strong></strong><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 15:23<br /><br />SID looks interesting still, but I'm not exactly sure how the Real bouncing around might effect it, and how much internal issues like a real estate bubble might effect it.&nbsp;&nbsp; How china might effect it.&nbsp; They seem to be doing the right things though. &nbsp; There are just too many variables really.&nbsp; I shouldn't have purchased it :) <br><br>With interest rates dropping in Brazil, investors are seeing more risk, less rewards.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Real had been on a great strengthening path, put in the high interest rates and the returns were amazing.&nbsp;&nbsp; USD to Real was like 5-15% gains per year, and then on top of that, a huge interest rate?&nbsp; Now the real is hovering and clearly stalling in the 2's, which means no more currency gains, and with interest rates dropping, fewer gains there.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 15:16<br /><br />Good old SID. I met some execs from SID a few years ago and thought of jumping in. I traded it for awhile then left.  Apple is tempting sub 600. <br /><br />Dilma killed the electric distribution with a pen stroke recently and pension investors are getting scared of Brazilian stocks.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 15:10<br /><br />Government employees can walk away with decent amounts in pensions, but there aren't that many of them in the grand scheme of things. &nbsp; They can get some unreal pensions, but if they're making 100K/month each, that's the pension of like 100 regular people. &nbsp; Yeah horrendous, but the numbers don't add up.<br><br>People will cash out like kings until the thing collapses, whatever replaces it, will guarantee they survive but no kings.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>I made some on PBR as well when it made it's run up to $40 and then bought back when it pulled way back.&nbsp; I'm probably not quite even on it, considering all the dividends and what not.&nbsp;&nbsp; SID was another "good" one, that I liked because of the dividend, but I didn't pay close enough attention to it.&nbsp;&nbsp; I put it in my wife's retirement plan, which gets less attention than I should give it.&nbsp;&nbsp; She's just not going to be able to retire a king for awhile :) <br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by jkennedy - 31 October 2012 at 15:12</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 15:05<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />The devaluing game works, it probably ends up hurting China the most because they're running large surpluses.   Pensions are a problem, but these things change over time.  I like to think of a pension as a guarantee to the working population that they can retire at some point.  It's not about money, it's about a guarantee.  Whatever currency, whatever situation we are in, you'll be taken care of.   If you've set yourself up to live like a king and believe that, then you're in for some pain.  Retirement will be doable, but no king status ransoms will be paid.Dilma has to deal with high interest rates paid out, a currency that is far too strong for the country, and debt growing too fast, with far too little going to necessary infrastructure projects and more going to sustaining the poor peoples day to day lives.That being said, I own too much petrobras and a couple other terrible brazil stocks that I need to get rid of.  :)  My worst performers by far!   I'll turn them into US real estate instead, and wait for a big flip in the Real.<br /></td></tr></table> <br />About pensions in Brazil. The Gov is spentding huge amounts of tax revenue to pay wages and pensions to the retired Gov workers. The pension to be paid to current workers is a huge snowball growing daily.<br /><br />Sorry to hear you have shares of Petrobras. Down 5% on NYSE today. Lots of bad news in the latest quarterly report. I made some money there, then lost a bit and walked away from PBR. Can't trust Dilma and Graca. Lots of room still in the USA to make money on Real Estate.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 31 October 2012 at 15:06</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 14:38<br /><br />The devaluing game works, it probably ends up hurting China the most because they're running large surpluses.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>Pensions are a problem, but these things change over time.&nbsp; I like to think of a pension as a guarantee to the working population that they can retire at some point.&nbsp; It's not about money, it's about a guarantee.&nbsp; Whatever currency, whatever situation we are in, you'll be taken care of. &nbsp; If you've set yourself up to live like a king and believe that, then you're in for some pain.&nbsp; Retirement will be doable, but no king status ransoms will be paid.<br><br>Dilma has to deal with high interest rates paid out, a currency that is far too strong for the country, and debt growing too fast, with far too little going to necessary infrastructure projects and more going to sustaining the poor peoples day to day lives.<br><br>That being said, I own too much petrobras and a couple other terrible brazil stocks that I need to get rid of.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; My worst performers by far!&nbsp;&nbsp; I'll turn them into US real estate instead, and wait for a big flip in the Real.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 14:08<br /><br />Here is another link highlighting Dilma's problems.<br /><br />http://blogs.estadao.com.br/rolf-kuntz/<br /><br />A good read. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5411">andrewfroboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 13:06<br /><br />Yup, pensions will bring down Brasil, only Italy of the G7 has a worse pension burden and all of the others have much older populations, its just a metter of time till it falls apart. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 12:32<br /><br />Brazil has over a trillion reais in Public Debt. Great game to devalue to currency, buy the reais back at three to the dollar and pay down the debt. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />Problem is the massive amount spent on wages and pensions. Huge for an emerging country and hence very little money for infrastructure, health and education after interest is paid on the debt. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />A few years from now a new currency will arise, the Cruzeiro! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> History repeats. Historians view Dilma economically as the Generals of the 70's with focus on big projects and central planning. Price controls via Petrobras, trade barriers, inflation, all there.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 11:53<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>During this or any other globalrecession, governments take a nationalistic approach to economics. This isquite understandable because they need votes to remain in power and so currencydevaluation can help with the import/export trading. The US adopted monetarypolicies that led to a weaker dollar followed by similar financial policies bythe central European bank. The Japanese have been doing it for years as havethe Chinese and now Brazil is trying the same. Of course if everybody devalues theirrespective currencies this game becomes irrelevant. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>The world is burdened by debt anduntil such time when repayment is made and the risk of disorderly defaultdiminishes, the world will continue in lack lustre growth and one form ofcrisis or another.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>Inept governments andan unregulated banking system together with global greed and stupidity hasplaced us in this deep debt hole and it will take us several years to crawl out.Meanwhile we can watch as the escalation accelerates leading toward unemployment,protectionism and trade wars. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 11:46<br /><br />We aren't even scratching 2.1. I am watching it every day, and the moment it gets on up there something is pulling it right back.<br><br>I am puzzled by how the rate is even determined since the Brazilian central bank has the monopoly on exchange? Is this just a game anyway? The rate is whatever they decide there? And it's impossible to buy on a peek because you can't execute real-time transactions.<br><br><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Unhappy" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 11:01<br /><br />GBOF- I still don't see major movements in there exchange rates for at least another 2 to 3 quarters. If so I would say the max change we may see is the real going 2.15 - 2.24 range]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 10:18<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />I just can't see olympic spending doing much.  It is a lot, but in the grand scheme of things, not that much.  Lower real through lower interest rates does make sense.   It's not worth having a high real, if it costs this much in interest.<br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br />Read this link about the Brazilian Gov problems and Petrobras problems. The whole thing is set to blow up bigtime.<br /><br />Inflation with a stagnant economy? Real set for a fall..<br /><br />http://blogs.estadao.com.br/celso-ming/]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 31 October 2012 at 09:32<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3185f656-1dfa-11e2-8e1d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2AsZHaHCv" target="_blank">http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3185f656-1dfa-11e2-8e1d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2AsZHaHCv</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 October 2012 at 13:45<br /><br />I just can't see olympic spending doing much.&nbsp; It is a lot, but in the grand scheme of things, not that much.&nbsp; <br><br>Lower real through lower interest rates does make sense.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not worth having a high real, if it costs this much in interest.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 October 2012 at 06:15<br /><br /><b>tbird</b> - are you serious about the Dukascopy contest? Dukas used to record videos with everyone who won their contest, but the last video was mid year LAST year. I haven't been trading because I've been moving houses and fixing all of the small problems. I can't WAIT to get back to trading though!<br><br><b>Sven</b>, I don't mess around with the stock markets. Almost all companies 99,99% go bankrupt within a relatively short amount of time. Most countries don't, even though the dollar and Euro situation is a little complicated.<br><br>I don't think the sky is falling, but with the capital needed for the Copa and Olympics, I'm wondering how the Brazilian government is going to achieve a lower Real: through flat-out devaluation or lower interest rates. Only time will tell, I guess. Anyway, I wouldn't be holding a ton of Reais in cash.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 17 October 2012 at 00:15<br /><br />And what has kept me relatively calm in the time of my larger transfer is that there were declared policies from the government official that say they target the 2.0-2.1 range, meaning they interfere any time when it goes beyond the small range. And it´s easy for them to interfere a monopolized as their FOREX is. A good reality check might be to see what the black market does? What's the going rate with "doleiros"?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 October 2012 at 18:10<br /><br />This year appears to be ending with a 2.00-2.10 rate.<br><br>If interest rates continue to drop, the 2.0 range seems reasonable going forward, with possibly slightly higher rates.<br><br>The closer interest rates get to international standards, the less people are going to be willing risk their money for a small return.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>Are there any reasons for it dropping below 2 again, in the next year?&nbsp; Or heading higher, towards 2.30 or 2.50?<br><br>External factors are generally noise, things like the EU or the US.&nbsp;&nbsp; Anyone see anything major taking place within Brazil that might change the rates? up or down significantly?<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 October 2012 at 14:25<br /><br />Well yes, Iranians going after US soil.&nbsp; <br><br>Of course, the issue isn't about Iranians going after the US, it's about everyone in that region going ape sh*t, and getting their own weapons, then a near clock work government over throwing taking place where bombs start potentially going to the highest bidder, or to whoever can steal them, etc.&nbsp; That is the true threat there...<br><br>I just read about the Chinese ghost town, built for 2M has had projects abandoned.&nbsp; The problem they have over there is no where to invest their money, so they just invest it in property in hopes of holding their wealth.&nbsp;&nbsp; The chinese would rather have people saying they're trying to take over the world, and have a divide put between the people, than having economists pointing out what will likely happen with the chinese currency, which isn't good news for them.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 October 2012 at 00:06<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by tbird</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by tbird</strong></em><br /><br />I see that I'm not the only day trader around here. That's cool. <br /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /></td></tr></table>Do you trade forex or futures? Today is &#091;probably&#093; going to suck because it's July 4th and US markets are closed.</td></tr></table><br /><br />Spongebob, do you participate in any trading contests? I won the Dukascopy contest in September.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" border="0" align="middle" /></td></tr></table> <br />Making money on Apple calls. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 23:59<br /><br />Philippines, yes, could be nice -- but there is a lot of population pressure. And if you think that in Brazil civil war is imminent, in the Philippines you have it. Thailand too. Both of these places are probably a lot harder to get a foot in for us Gringos. I know Thailand has a large population of retired mongers, but you can't even own your own real estate in Thailand! And the culture is even more superficial than in Brazil. And language barrier is harder. And violence is probably worse in the Philippines than in João Pessoa. Finally, while some may cherish the asian petite, I think Latinas are way more beautiful and hotter. So there, my choice stands.<br><br>Only would still like to explore the real backwaters of the world. Syria when it calms down, Persia, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, and India is always good for some adventure. Thailand may be good for a few weeks divertimento. Beyond that it's not meaty enough. Vietnam and Kambodia might be something to try, but I can't possibly imagine setting foot there for longer, let alone investing.<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Squiddie - 16 October 2012 at 00:02</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 23:40<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br />Yep. I wonder if my next beach house shall be in Kazakhstan <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />. But seriously, the more strange places in Asia have my interest.But South America is more enjoyable overall. You can't beat the beach.Meanwhile the R$ is meandering in a bit higher band between 2.03 and 2.045 with a tiny spike above 2.05. Will we have any chances of seeing this significantly above 2.1?<br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br />A buddy of mine loves Thailand, another the Filipines, and Indonesia gets a nod.  <br /><br />Dilma and the PT continue to push down interest rates.  Guido Mantega wants lower rates to prevent the carry forward speculators and to keep Brazil competitive. Real trends lower in 2013.  Think about the imbedded inflation with stagnant growth in Brazil. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 23:10<br /><br />Yep. I wonder if my next beach house shall be in Kazakhstan <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />. <br><br>But seriously, the more strange places in Asia have my interest.<br><br>But South America is more enjoyable overall. You can't beat the beach.<br><br>Meanwhile the R$ is meandering in a bit higher band between 2.03 and 2.045 with a tiny spike above 2.05. Will we have any chances of seeing this significantly above 2.1?<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 21:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Wasn't sure where to post this, so this seemed like a good place.<br><br><a href="http://www.us.hsbc.com/1/PA_1_083Q9FJ08A002FBP5S00000000/c&#111;ntent/usshared/Premier/Promoti&#111;ns/2012/Jan/pdf/The_World_in_2050.pdf" target="_blank">The World in 2050</a>&nbsp; (note: opens as a pdf file)<br><br>Report can also be found at link below.&nbsp; Scroll down to bottom of page, look to the right (Related downloads).&nbsp; This is <b>not</b> a commercial post for HSBC.<br><br><a href="http://www.us.hsbc.com/1/2/home/premier/p/summer/wealth?code=CSM0002168&amp;WT.ac=HBUS_CSM0002168" target="_blank">HSBC: Manage your wealth</a><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Makes for very interesting reading and analysis.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 21:47<br /><br /><br>Certainly not what I hope for Frank, lots of friends and family still there, but do we really believe this spin in the media about the Persian kingdom just being "close to obtaining..." BS?!?<br><br>I think it's quite believable they already have the capacity to, with some Russian missile assistance, at the very least, implode an EMP over Tio's fazenda.&nbsp; Since it won't actually result in an attack on <i>the soil</i> of a foreign nation, now what?!?&nbsp; Will be a first, in the rules and engagement of war....<br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 15 October 2012 at 21:49</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : Got an active imagination there...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 21:38<br /><br />Got an active imagination there GF]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 21:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Anything that goes against this line of thought, is propaganda by China, OR 3rd parties, reading into these comments.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>...OR an Iranian nuclear conflagration on US soil/airspace....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 21:14<br /><br />China needs to keep it's currency undervalued to keep the growth going.&nbsp; They need another good 10-20 years of growth.<br><br>Anything that goes against this line of thought, is propaganda by China, OR 3rd parties, reading into these comments.<br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Buh-bye USD.... Hello Renminbi.   Edited...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 October 2012 at 19:28<br /><br /><br>Buh-bye USD....&nbsp; <a href="http://www.hsbc.com/1/2//newsroom/news/2012/rmb-business-report" target="_blank">Hello Renminbi</a>.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 15 October 2012 at 19:29</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : Very interesting! </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10907">Leblon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 October 2012 at 11:49<br /><br />Very interesting!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 October 2012 at 11:15<br /><br /><br>Wasn't sure where to post this, so this seemed like a good place.<br><br><a href="http://www.us.hsbc.com/1/PA_1_083Q9FJ08A002FBP5S00000000/c&#111;ntent/usshared/Premier/Promoti&#111;ns/2012/Jan/pdf/The_World_in_2050.pdf" target="_blank">The World in 2050</a>&nbsp; (note: opens as a pdf file)<br><br>Report can also be found at link below.&nbsp; Scroll down to bottom of page, look to the right (Related downloads).&nbsp; This is <b>not</b> a commercial post for HSBC.<br><br><a href="http://www.us.hsbc.com/1/2/home/premier/p/summer/wealth?code=CSM0002168&amp;WT.ac=HBUS_CSM0002168" target="_blank">HSBC: Manage your wealth</a><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by spongebob Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 September 2012 at 15:39<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by tbird</strong></em><br /><br />I see that I'm not the only day trader around here. That's cool. <br /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /></td></tr></table>Do you trade forex or futures? Today is &#091;probably&#093; going to suck because it's July 4th and US markets are closed.</td></tr></table><br /><br />Spongebob, do you participate in any trading contests? I won the Dukascopy contest in September.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 September 2012 at 10:58<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I'm very curious to see how Dilma is different than Lula in terms of managing the economy.</td></tr></table><br><br>From <a href="http://www.ec&#111;nomist.com/node/21547856" target="_blank">an article in The Economist</a>, earlier this year:&nbsp; “…Lula was a consummate dealmaker and pragmatist, who, like many Brazilian presidents, bought loyalty by doling out government jobs and pork. Most of the economic reforms that underlay the growth during his presidency were the work of his predecessor (FHC)… Ms Rousseff’s administration is firmer in its principles, more technocratic, more personally loyal…”<br><br>I might phrase it more bluntly:&nbsp; Lula was a party animal, who loved to drink, and left important decisions to those who had knowledge and expertise about the issue.<br><br>Dilma at least has some education and experience as an economist.&nbsp; But who are the PT 'heavies' she has to contend with on a daily basis?!?&nbsp; Then there are the industrial giants of Brasil, regardless of political affiliation, she has to kowtow too.&nbsp; If she was a Dictator, things might be different, but her whim alone is not sufficient to completely direct policy, be it economic, or otherwise.&nbsp; And considering the corrupt machismo mafia she has to deal with in both the Senate and Congress, I think she's doing a damn good job with the cards she's been dealt.<br><br>@GBoF:&nbsp; I'm in your court!&nbsp; While I'd love to see the arrival of 4.0 just 3.0 would make me very happy.&nbsp; Let's compromise at 3.5, shall we?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : ^^ devalues, technically, GBF.I&amp;#039;m...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 21:27<br /><br />^^ <strong>devalues</strong>, technically, GBF.<br /><br />I'm very curious to see how Dilma is different than Lula in terms of managing the economy. What none of you guys are considering is that <strong>the US is doing/has been doing the same thing for years now (since 2006)-- devaluing currency.</strong> I think it was last week the US money-printers announced something akin to QE3?? Europe has been doing this with the "Euro Crisis". It's really crazy, like a race to the bottom. <br /><br />GBF, 10% inflation, low interest rates for savers. This sounds like the usual scenario. Anyone who has money sitting around in a bank account is getting eaten alive.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 21:09<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Leblon</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />^^ Um.. that's not me. <br /><br />Leblon, things are cicycal. The hottest girl at the prom doesn't stay the hottest girl forever. Things change, BUT usually revert to low-level tendencies (like nature, genes, etc..) I apologise if that sounded somewhat Confucious-like.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Quite right Bob, though we're all delusional in favouring a 3.0 stake in the Real/Dollar. But thank you for the lesson in logic.</td></tr></table> <br />No no delusion, as Dilma continues to force down interest rates and spend bigtime for the Petrobras offshore projects. So inflation at 10% WITH A STAGNANT GROWTH economy growing at 1.7%! Population growing faster as the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;National Debt grows to 1.9 trillion reais from a trillion seven years ago.  A big mess with an ugly end. 4 reais to the dollar next year is a slam dunk. Brazil always inflates the currency to help exports.]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by spongebob^^...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10907">Leblon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 16:49<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />^^ Um.. that's not me. <br /><br />Leblon, things are cicycal. The hottest girl at the prom doesn't stay the hottest girl forever. Things change, BUT usually revert to low-level tendencies (like nature, genes, etc..) I apologise if that sounded somewhat Confucious-like.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Quite right Bob, though we're all delusional in favouring a 3.0 stake in the Real/Dollar. But thank you for the lesson in logic. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 14:37<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />The hottest girl at the prom doesn't stay the hottest girl forever. Things change, BUT usually revert to low-level tendencies (like nature, genes, etc..) I apologise if that sounded somewhat Confucious-like.<br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Confucious would probably have made a converse statement like: ugly duckling one day grow to be beautiful swan.....&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br />]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : ^^ Um.. that&amp;#039;s not me. Leblon,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 14:00<br /><br />^^ Um.. that's not me. <br /><br />Leblon, things are cicycal. The hottest girl at the prom doesn't stay the hottest girl forever. Things change, BUT usually revert to low-level tendencies (like nature, genes, etc..) I apologise if that sounded somewhat Confucious-like.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10907">Leblon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 13:27<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Leblon</strong></em><br /><br />The real is returning to 'cheap' and investments are flying in!</td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO, 3.0 is 'cheap'.  Plz PM me when we get there!<br /></td></tr></table>I doubt you will get that pm anytime soon. It looks as though we will be a 2 to 1 or less soon.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Two is a comfortable benchmark to sit and wait it out. Unless the U.S is on the course of another boom, we're still going to hurtle through the recession like syndrome. The importance is that emerging markets are picking up the slack and making use of it. Those who sit and reminisce might miss their opportunity to go short on the US and long on those emerging markets..]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 13:02<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Leblon</strong></em><br /><br />The real is returning to 'cheap' and investments are flying in!</td></tr></table><br><br>IMO, 3.0 is 'cheap'.  Plz PM me when we get there!<br></td></tr></table><br><br>I doubt you will get that pm anytime soon. It looks as though we will be a 2 to 1 or less soon.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 12:56<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Leblon</strong></em><br /><br />The real is returning to 'cheap' and investments are flying in!</td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO, 3.0 is 'cheap'.  Plz PM me when we get there!<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10907">Leblon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 12:51<br /><br />The real is returning to 'cheap' and investments are flying in! That's good for those of us who wish to stay here, permanently. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 07:57<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Catarinense</strong></em><br /><br /><br />Brasil digs in ...<br /><br />http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-brazil-economy-real-idINBRE88N0PT20120924 <br /></td></tr></table> <br />concise and no mystery here. inflation is occurring, but other than that, how many countries in the world these days are concerned about having an economy which is so potentially robust that foreign investment comes flocking?<br />thanks for posting.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=10185">Catarinense</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 September 2012 at 06:41<br /><br /><br />Brasil digs in ...<br /><br />http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-brazil-economy-real-idINBRE88N0PT20120924 <br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Catarinense - 25 September 2012 at 06:42</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2012 at 11:10<br /><br />Replying to my own question above:<br><br>the charge "Movimento do Dia" is something depending on the amount transferred but not linearly, because on a 17 times higher transaction it was just 3 times higher than the first. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wacko" /> <br><br>Anyway, I am glad I do not get 3% charged ... which is why I remain a believer in public or semi-public institutions such as Banco do Brazil, their profit margins are limited, and 1.5% (or less actually) vs. 3% forex fees are a big deal.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 20 September 2012 at 08:26<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I've seen a lot of Fridays that look like exhaustion days.. the end of the current trend. But we shall see. <strong>If you see a doji appear for Sunday, market are probably going south.</strong> Ahh.. I think price is going to gravitate around the 1,3066 area. If there's a fake-out to the downside, then I'll go long. Otherwise, I'm just sitting tight.</td></tr></table><br /><br />Euro down to 1.29490 (from 1.32'ish) as I'm writing this. REAL hasn't BUDGED (2.0251). I'm thinking the REAL will benefit from any downside movement of the markets. I'm not that hopeful though since Ben Bernake-Guttenburg will do anything to print more dollars. <br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 20 September 2012 at 08:26</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 September 2012 at 18:09<br /><br />I'm buying RE.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 September 2012 at 17:54<br /><br />^^ Tell me about it.. I lost mega bucks sending to <u><b>ITAÚ</b></u>. They charge around 3% + IOF. Been there, done that, don't intend to do it again!<br><br>About the doleiros.. <u>has anyone here ever used one to send money out?</u> <b>Squiddie</b>, I'm pretty sure that there are some good ones out there.. especially the ones that handle the business of politicians or businesspeople. There's one here, but I just know people who buy dollars from him before they go on a trip. <br><br>All that said, Paulo Maluff grafted millions and sent them out of Brazil through the banking system. His only mistake is that he used a US Bank as the correspondent bank, so the US investigated and put him on Interpol. So what I'm saying is just make sure you keep your documentation and you can prove that you making this money through honest means. I'm curious myself, what are you doing anyway?<br><b><u></u></b><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 16 September 2012 at 18:16</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 September 2012 at 17:35<br /><br />Thanks, ok that clarifies it. It's pretty much impossible. These doleiros are a risky business and apparently it's a crime to exchange without an official bulletin. I will just stick to my wiring method at the cost of 1.88% + $80.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Disapprove" /><br><br>Anyway, to move back on topic, this QE3 crap just cost me a couple thousand bucks. I didn't pay attention, didn't start the transactions earlier.<br><br>I made the mistake of planning to set everything on the "perfect" timing. But then checked my math and saw how small the fixed transaction cost is and inevitable the %s, so I started spreading my exchanges in 3 parcels. Except that I should have started #1 before the QE3 announcement. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Disapprove" /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Disapprove" /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Disapprove" /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Squiddie - 16 September 2012 at 17:38</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 September 2012 at 16:55<br /><br /><b>Squiddie</b>, <br><br>1. I found 1 (ONE) broker that allows spot forex BRL trades, but the spread is too high (around 1% when I found it). It negates the whole carry-trade (interest!). The rest of the brokers only allow exposure with futures contracts, which also pay no interest.<br><br>2. No, never heard of it. However, you may be able to talk to BdB or another Brazilian bank in Miami. They may have something like this.<br><br>3. Yes, they are called doleiros, and they operate just about everywhere in the country. I've never used them one myself though. Getting money into Brazil with legalized services from the US is easy. You just send them a cancelled check and they will take your dollars and deliver Reais to your bank account in Brazil. I've also never used one of these services either.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 September 2012 at 15:59<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />squid<br><br><em>Check out TorFX based in the UK read about them in an article, make sure to do due diligence</em><br></td></tr></table><br><br>I don't think they trade in BRL. I checked another FOREX trader, GFT, and it's the same thing. I don't think anyone trades in BRL. I think the Brazilian Federal Central Bank actually has a monopoly on BRL trading.<br><br>But please folks, clarify if you know anything differently:<br><br>1. Has ANYONE done FOREX trading in BRL, ever?<br><br>2. Has ANYONE ever held BRL in a bank account outside of Brazil and transferred BRL into Brazil?<br><br>3. Is there any gray market in Miami or Brazil itself, where people move cash in and out of the country aside from central bank control? (Not that I want to use that approach now, but I'd like to know.)<br><br>Thanks.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 20:14<br /><br />Frank, thanks for the compliment, but I'm really small time, for now. I could probably direct something bigger, but you know how things are in Brazil: you stay small because it's much harder, as if you are penalized, for getting bigger (you *are* penalized if you come off of SIMPLES). I also can't do anything in my name since I'm a US Citizen for now. If I did, I would have to fill out tons of forms and run the risk of an audit, not only here in Brazil, but also from the US. It's a tricky situation for US'ers.<br /><br />In a zombie-like trance, I posted here a couple of times that I could set up businesses for gringos so they could get their investor visa. Then I said to myself "Why would I do that? That's like flipping good properties. I'm not in the mood to do all the work and then sell off squeaky-clean investments to anybody!", so I retracted what I said. Maybe one day if it's worth it, but I'm too honest, so it would probably never be truly "worth it" for me. <br /><br />^Although I can say that I have (from my younger days) shaken the hands of a few people that stole BILLIONS from American & European insurance companies, banks, investment funds, etc.. They were technically my superiors, and guess how much the SEC in the US fined them for? Around $250k for stealing billions. (It's good to have lotsa money!) They are probably in Cancún somewhere sipping margaritas while I'm here slogging it out in Brazil. <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 15 September 2012 at 20:17</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 17:39<br /><br />sponge does not have to be stocks it can be direct invest for mature companies or even venture capital or angel investing.]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : ^^ I don&amp;#039;t know anything...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 14:56<br /><br />^^ I don't know anything about stocks, just how to lose money with them. <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 13:55<br /><br />With all the expertise here and sven legal smarts i am surprised you guys have not gotten together and discussed starting an investment fund for gringoes managed by gringoes.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by frank4000 - 15 September 2012 at 13:56</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   Originally posted by spongebobNow...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 11:10<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><b></b>Now coming back to Brazil, (<b>Gringo.Floripa</b> hope you are reading this.) I'm starting to get a little nervous over Brazil doing some QE of their own, possibly even Argentina-style devaluation. Why is the Brazilian government going to PAY FOR other countries to devalue their currencies? Right now, I don't doubt a full-blown <b>GreatBallsFire</b> banana republic blow-up</td></tr></table><br><br>Like I've mentioned before Bob, I think the time is coming (perhaps sooner rather than later), one's assets would be better 'invested' in some sort of sustainable infrastructure.&nbsp; A sitio is a good start.&nbsp; Put in some extra cisterns; solar panels to heat water (even though the 'payoff' vs one's monthly power bill might take 4-5 years); plant a garden; raise some goats/cows/chickens, etc, will undoubtedly pay a greater return down the road than de-valuating fiat currencies earning lower and lower interest rates....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 09:59<br /><br />Thanks guys. 1.5% is with wire to banco do brasil. The problem is I have no control over the timing. They are so lazy at b.b. I sent first thing Fri morning, it was received at 10.30 and then they sit on it forever and I don't know when they do the câmbio.<br /><br />BTW while it ma seem to be policy for brokerages to send back only to original account, I have used Fidelity via my investments to do FOREX from German funds to US, and didn't even pay any wire fees (and possibly not even conversion fees).]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 08:28<br /><br /><b>Hamsterdam</b>, this money printing thing is getting a little out-of-hand. What you are saying may be good for some exporters, but bad for all the savers, or people on fixed incomes. This can destroy some people. Not me anymore... <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /><br><br>Now coming back to Brazil, (<b>Gringo.Floripa</b> hope you are reading this.) I'm starting to get a little nervous over Brazil doing some QE of their own, possibly even Argentina-style devaluation. Why is the Brazilian government going to PAY FOR other countries to devalue their currencies? Right now, I don't doubt a full-blown <b>GreatBallsFire</b> banana republic blow-up. <br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 07:21<br /><br />1.5% is pretty good! Where are you getting that?<br /><br />The best option is to use a Brazilian based broker who is authorized by the central bank to engage in foreign exchange deals against its own positions.<br /><br />A retail forex broker won't be able to due this 1) because they will only pay you into the same account used to fund the trading account and 2) most of them use contracts for difference or are ECN brokers, which means that they dont have a dealing desk but instead feeds the orders on to a pool of liquidity providers (big tier 1 banks).<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by tbird - 15 September 2012 at 07:22</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 September 2012 at 02:59<br /><br />squid<br><br><em>Check out TorFX based in the UK read about them in an article, make sure to do due diligence</em><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 September 2012 at 13:46<br /><br />Hey you FOREX traders here; do you know if perhaps one can buy BRL on a FOREX trading brokerage and then transfer the reais into Brazil without further conversion fees? I would really like to have more control over my exchange rate and cut out that 1.5% cost that I can't seem to get rid of? Thanks for your help.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 September 2012 at 09:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><b>Tbird </b>- the Euro looks like it's going to try to fill the GAP around 1,3066. I usually see one "hiccup" (small retracement) and then it fills the gap. After that, we'll see if it's up or down from there....<br><br>The Real at this point (where it doesn't move) reminds me of 2006 when it stayed around 2,16 for many months. It can't stay like this forever.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Spot on. <b>The gap got filled this morning</b>. That 1,3066 area is an "intense" area. Look for a lot of touches to this area. The retracement was very short lived.. just a nice pinbar. I sooo should have played this, but my mind is on another project and I don't like playing with real money when my mind is on other things. Hopefully I'll be done with the other thing by this weekend.<br><br>I've seen a lot of Fridays that look like exhaustion days.. the end of the current trend. But we shall see. If you see a doji appear for Sunday, market are probably going south. Ahh.. I think price is going to gravitate around the 1,3066 area. If there's a fake-out to the downside, then I'll go long. Otherwise, I'm just sitting tight.<br><br>Still... the money printing is making me sick. Barf.. politicians will do anything devalue currencies and peoples' savings. That should be a crime!<br><br>The USDBRL went down a little 2,015 right now. I still think the Brazzer government is buying dollars.<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 14 September 2012 at 10:01</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6859">OldMiller</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 September 2012 at 08:39<br /><br />"Gold hits six-month high as Fed fans inflation risk" <br /><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/14/us-markets-precious-idUSBRE88903T20120914" target="_blank">http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/14/us-markets-precious-idUSBRE88903T20120914</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 September 2012 at 05:21<br /><br />There we go, eur/usd into 1.30s. Yubii.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 September 2012 at 07:51<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><div><br>&nbsp;</div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">1. The US in 2006 when they first started to really print money;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">2. The US with QE 1 &amp; 2;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">3. Collor suspending access to poupanças;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">4. Argentina confiscating dollars and then converting them to pesos at a terrible rate;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><b>Money in a bank account is a very dangerous thing.</b><br></p></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Although i agree in part Sponge, Collor isnt in power, and this isnt Argentina.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The reason for printing dollars was to lower the value of dollar in order to&nbsp;make the US more competitive from what i understand. The US didnt want a high valued dollar, they wanted a lower valued dollar&nbsp;to see them through the rough economic period.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 12 September 2012 at 11:11</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 September 2012 at 07:49<br /><br /><b>Tbird </b>- the Euro looks like it's going to try to fill the GAP around 1,3066. I usually see one "hiccup" (small retracement) and then it fills the gap. After that, we'll see if it's up or down from there....<br><br>The Real at this point (where it doesn't move) reminds me of 2006 when it stayed around 2,16 for many months. It can't stay like this forever.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 September 2012 at 07:15<br /><br />The low was 1.2041. EVERYONE was talking doomsday talk about the Eur, which usually means its a good time to buy the Eur. On Aug 1, I placed pending buy orders on five different stocks in the Spanish IBEX. Then I left for Brazil and didn't look for 30 days. Missed my orders by a whisker before the IBEX bounced over 20%.<br /><br />BRL is finally moving a bit against the EUR (thankfully). USD/BRL won't move much until the big money has finished their portfolio adjustments out of USD assets on the back of the everything but confirmed QE3 announcement.<br /><br />But I'm now going to move some EUR into USD (as eur/usd moves into 1.30s resistance) and max out at the ATM machines in Brazil for a week or two. Don't want to be fully invested in the EUR <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by tbird - 12 September 2012 at 07:22</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 September 2012 at 07:07<br /><br />The Euro hit a low of around 1,22 and now it's almost touching 1,30. The same for almost all the major currencies. The dollar has been dropping like a rock. <u>But the Real hasn't moved.</u> Either Brazil is not the "Poster Child for Growth" anymore, or Dilma is using the Tesouro's money to buy dollars. Me thinks it's the latter. She can't keep doing it forever....<br><br>This maybe doesn't apply to the Real, but keep any eye out for this:<br>One of the major catalysts in this Euro bounce is that the ECB said that they can print an unlimited amount of money, basically. QE if you ask me. Helicopter Trichet! Markets don't like manipulation so it was no surprise that the markets took back all of the gains that resulted from QE in the USA. So I wouldn't be surprised if the same is going to happen with all of the other currencies -x- the dollar. We never know; when these markets decide to take back money-printing "gains", <u>maybe the Real will weaken as well</u>.<br><br>The only thing I find chato about this is that these daily/weekly events take forever (usually weeks or months) to play out... it's very boring.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 12:05<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Perhaps it’s a sign of the times tonote that Christine Lagarde, CEO of the IMF, seated centre front with the bandagedknee, has had to spend too much time on her knees in an attempt to satisfy someof her gentlemen colleagues. <!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></td></tr></table><br><br>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>Or maybe she injured it by a well thrust (and well deserved) jab to their groins... <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 28 August 2012 at 12:05</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 11:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br><b>The World's 'Most Wanted' Criminals!</b><br><br><img src="http://i50.tinypic.com/14siqlf.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br></td></tr></table><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Perhaps it’s a sign of the times tonote that Christine Lagarde, CEO of the IMF, seated centre front with the bandagedknee, has had to spend too much time on her knees in an attempt to satisfy someof her gentlemen colleagues. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 11:36<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Given the buoyant state of themarkets and improving bank liquidity, helicopter Ben has no justification forfurther QE, yet conditions for allowing the pre-election White House incumbentto boast about the success of his administration are non-existent; healthcareis old news and not yet in evidence coupled with impotence to remedy adysfunctional Congress and the rising deficit. Perhaps the US is hoping forsomeone to blink in Europe while they wait for the German High Court to decidewhether or not the bailout and Euro printing is legal under their Constitution.There yet may be more road down which to kick the can of hopelessness, butsurely the endgame is close to hand and the final realisation that borrowing toget out of debt is a nonsense and that the collective standard of living isbeing rebalanced; meaning almost everybody reading this will be poorer.&nbsp;<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley26.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Pinch" /></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""></td></tr></table></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">This is why I don't trust politicians with money. Also, <b>this is why I think that every person who reads what is written here needs to work very hard to try build wealth in a manner that is LEAST LIKELY to be devalued by politicians.</b></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">Here are just a few examples:<br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">1. The US in 2006 when they first started to really print money;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">2. The US with QE 1 &amp; 2;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">3. Collor suspending access to poupanças;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">4. Argentina confiscating dollars and then converting them to pesos at a terrible rate;</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><b>Money in a bank account is a very dangerous thing.</b><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 11:30<br /><br />All of these economic "systems" are just and thin as air and one-pushed- button away from total collapse at any time. It's really all quite interesting: in the US, you have a few people at the top controlling everything. At that level and right below them, you have very powerful people that can commit crimes and never go to jail. They can sick their goons (the police force) on you at any time. There is rampant corruption at the top... <b>things happen because they want them to happen, exist only because they want them to exist.</b> At least corruption in Brazil is "fairer" and not limited to only mega-league players. Not that I like it because it costs me *more* money. <br><br>^^ Going back to the big players, if the "game" ever starts moving out of their favour, they will just change the rules. This is why I think having the gist of their "agenda" is much more important than going off of the fundamentals. This applies to the US, Europe, and everywhere else.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 11:23<br /><br /><br><b>The World's 'Most Wanted' Criminals!</b><br><br><img src="http://i50.tinypic.com/14siqlf.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 10:59<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Given the buoyant state of themarkets and improving bank liquidity, helicopter Ben has no justification forfurther QE, yet conditions for allowing the pre-election White House incumbentto boast about the success of his administration are non-existent; healthcareis old news and not yet in evidence coupled with impotence to remedy adysfunctional Congress and the rising deficit. Perhaps the US is hoping forsomeone to blink in Europe while they wait for the German High Court to decidewhether or not the bailout and Euro printing is legal under their Constitution.There yet may be more road down which to kick the can of hopelessness, butsurely the endgame is close to hand and the final realisation that borrowing toget out of debt is a nonsense and that the collective standard of living isbeing rebalanced; meaning almost everybody reading this will be poorer.&nbsp;<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley26.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Pinch" /></span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 10:20<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><div></div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">With fluctuations of about 1%during the months of July and August the rate is essentially flat-lining. The westerneconomies have maxed out their financial ability to consume; <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"></span><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--></span></span></td></tr></table></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">Given the sorry state of affairs on both sides of the north Atlantic Ocean, I think it's obvious the present tenant of the Casa Branca has 'requested' his European cohorts to keep their fingers in the dike a little bit longer.&nbsp; Then once the dog and pony show, the bread and circus known as 'free elections' is over, I wouldn't be surprised if what happens then, makes 2008 seem like the Doldrums.</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 August 2012 at 08:22<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I did notice the rate ticked up slightly today to 2.03, but certainly not holding my breath for anything of significance to happen (dam* it!).&nbsp; I'm already blue in the face from when we got a rise to 2.10 about two months ago, and then it went limp again.&nbsp; Perhaps the dollar needs a good dose of Viagra!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br>It could be worse, remember when we rode out those times when the dollar was in a free-fall to 1,50-something and then down to 1,60-something again a couple of years later? I've heard there's no such thing as a "triple bottom" in the case of the dollar, but I HAVE seen it before.<br><br>Thank GOD I make money here. I remember checking the rates every day and almost having a heart attack when it went below 2:1 years back. Not a pleasant feeling.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 August 2012 at 21:03<br /><br /><div></div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>With fluctuations of about 1%during the months of July and August the rate is essentially flat-lining. The westerneconomies have maxed out their financial ability to consume; just like Mr Creosote.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH_12QWWg8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH_12QWWg8</a>&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 August 2012 at 18:54<br /><br /><br>I did notice the rate ticked up slightly today to 2.03, but certainly not holding my breath for anything of significance to happen (dam* it!).&nbsp; I'm already blue in the face from when we got a rise to 2.10 about two months ago, and then it went limp again.&nbsp; Perhaps the dollar needs a good dose of Viagra!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 August 2012 at 18:03<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>It would appear that we are in ‘thesilly season’ apropos serious politics, exchange rates and the approaching endof the world as we know it. The US is embroiled in its usual low-brow benign fascinationwith the approaching Presidential election. I’m no Obama fan but the prospectof America electing a bishop in a religion that takes a quantum leap in puerilityover Christianity is a little worrying to say the least. </p><div></div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal">Then we have the continuingEuropean debacle simmering on the backburner while the protagonists get a well-deservedsuntan in holiday sunshine. Meanwhile China, just about to change itsleadership, has slowed down to a comparative crawl because the nations thathitherto imported her products on the strength of borrowed money have maxed outtheir credit cards. Brazil waits nervously, as ever on the side-line, hoping,praying that God will sprinkle some happy dust that may instigate a littleorder and progress. Get ready for change… <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 July 2012 at 11:47<br /><br />&#091;/QUOTE&#093;<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Given all we know regardingfinancial crime I suppose that it may be in the realms of possibility that theEuropean Bailout Fund, the Central European Bank together with theInternational Monetary Fund will not monitor and audit the Spanish accounts,but this is very doubtful. <!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Certainly, bankers and politicianscan be relied upon to ‘wet their beaks’ when a fresh influx of cash arrives,yet it should be remembered that bailout money comes from the collective ofcountries within the European Community and that most of those countries are,laughably, already near bankruptcy themselves and desperately in need of interestpayments and repayment of the loans in due course; a bailout is not a gift andcomes with strings attached. The eyes of the Spanish creditors; in this casefellow bankers and politicians, are bedfellows in the cunning arts ofcorruption and thievery are therefore poachers turned gamekeepers. Set a thiefto catch a thief. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></div>&#091;/QUOTE&#093;<br><br>Esprit well put, as always, and case in point we all remember Bankia Bank and its former director Rodrigo Rato ( Rato, what an appropriate name as it means rat in Spanish) <br><br><br>Rato was the Spanish finance minister from 1996 to 2004. After his Popular party lost the election in 2004 <b>he went on to head the International Monetary Fund.</b> (gained invaluable experience there on how to steal, I am sure)<br>He became Director of Bankia and two days before the bank asked the Spanish taxpayers for a bailout he quit, but not before he was given €14 million in compensation, which of course he did not give back and nothing has been done to him because he has very powerful political friends in government to cover his miserable thieving ass.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 July 2012 at 09:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>A jump to 3.0 is not far-fetched, considering the assorted 'contagions' floating around.<br><br>Thanks to Coolbloo for this link:<br><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fast-and-furious-return-reality-spanish-stock-market-plummets-12-two-days" target="_blank">A Fast And Furious Return To Reality: Spanish Stock Market Plummets By 12% In Two Days</a><br><br></td></tr></table><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Why might this come as surprise toanyone? In the name of sanity we are dealing with a European political problem,not an economic one. That problem is the Euro, exclusively. <!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>During the last European summit,the 20<sup>th</sup> of its kind I believe, markets believed that the agreementto allocate €100 billion to Spanish banks was the cure-all. The markets lovedit because this debt would be the responsibility of the banks and not theSpanish government and not adding to its sovereign debt – oh really? Ever heardof tunnel vision? And so who backs the Spanish banks? Eh, well… Opps, the bank’sstock plummets. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Then the Spanish Central Bank saysthat it needs €142billion for itself followed by another unofficial announcementthat slightly in excess of €400billion will be required to bailout Spain. MeanwhileSpanish debt interest has reached a point beyond what is commonly regarded asunsustainable. Oh dear! What’ll we do know? Run away, run away! This isineptitude on the grandest scale. Pity the Spanish people made victims by theirpoliticians.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Brazil has the appearance of gold-standardstability relative to more than half of Europe and so why would the Real plummetin value next to these crumbling economies? <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></div></td></tr></table><br><br>Commoonn... you don't actually believe it's really ineptitude, do you? Me at least, I think that Spanish politicians are trying to secure as much money as they possibly can for themselves. <br><br>After all, one of the best ways to conceal theft is by "playing dumb".<br><br><br></td></tr></table><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Given all we know regardingfinancial crime I suppose that it may be in the realms of possibility that theEuropean Bailout Fund, the Central European Bank together with theInternational Monetary Fund will not monitor and audit the Spanish accounts,but this is very doubtful. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Certainly, bankers and politicianscan be relied upon to ‘wet their beaks’ when a fresh influx of cash arrives,yet it should be remembered that bailout money comes from the collective ofcountries within the European Community and that most of those countries are,laughably, already near bankruptcy themselves and desperately in need of interestpayments and repayment of the loans in due course; a bailout is not a gift andcomes with strings attached. The eyes of the Spanish creditors; in this casefellow bankers and politicians, are bedfellows in the cunning arts ofcorruption and thievery are therefore poachers turned gamekeepers. Set a thiefto catch a thief. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 July 2012 at 09:53<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><o:p></o:p></span></span><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Brazil has the appearance of gold-standardstability relative to more than half of Europe and so why would the Real plummetin value next to these crumbling economies? <o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">Perhaps we should pose that question to one of the herd, as they begin their stampede from the currencies of unstable, as well as 'emerging' markets (even relatively stable ones), back to the 'safety' of the USD?!?</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">On an (assuming) unrelated topic, <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-19/new-york-fed-says-withdrawal-limit-makes-m&#111;ney-funds-safe.html" target="_blank">the NY Fed wants a regulation passed</a> which will prohibit money market funds from being withdrawn on whim (panic), but only after a 30 days notice.&nbsp; "Yes... it IS your money... you just can't have it yet.&nbsp; Get back to us in 30 days."&nbsp; WTF?!?</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><br></p></div></td></tr></table><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Well there will always be aproportion of folk that will run to the security of the Fed’s printing pressessecure in the knowledge that Uncle Sam won’t run out of green ink; in God wetrust, never mind the quality, look at the quantity. In any event any rush tosafety offers a negative return and can but appreciate the Dollar’s value andthe consequential negative effect on the US economy. Catch 22 on a rollercoaster ride to nowhere. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>The proposed restriction on moneywithdrawal betrays the vaguely hidden truth that Uncle Sam is very worriedabout a reversal of the rush to safety; care to wonder why? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 09:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 July 2012 at 07:03<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>A jump to 3.0 is not far-fetched, considering the assorted 'contagions' floating around.<br><br>Thanks to Coolbloo for this link:<br><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fast-and-furious-return-reality-spanish-stock-market-plummets-12-two-days" target="_blank">A Fast And Furious Return To Reality: Spanish Stock Market Plummets By 12% In Two Days</a><br><br></td></tr></table><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Why might this come as surprise toanyone? In the name of sanity we are dealing with a European political problem,not an economic one. That problem is the Euro, exclusively. <!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">During the last European summit,the 20<sup>th</sup> of its kind I believe, markets believed that the agreementto allocate €100 billion to Spanish banks was the cure-all. The markets lovedit because this debt would be the responsibility of the banks and not theSpanish government and not adding to its sovereign debt – oh really? Ever heardof tunnel vision? And so who backs the Spanish banks? Eh, well… Opps, the bank’sstock plummets. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Then the Spanish Central Bank saysthat it needs €142billion for itself followed by another unofficial announcementthat slightly in excess of €400billion will be required to bailout Spain. MeanwhileSpanish debt interest has reached a point beyond what is commonly regarded asunsustainable. Oh dear! What’ll we do know? Run away, run away! This isineptitude on the grandest scale. Pity the Spanish people made victims by theirpoliticians.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Brazil has the appearance of gold-standardstability relative to more than half of Europe and so why would the Real plummetin value next to these crumbling economies? <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font></div></td></tr></table><br><br>Commoonn... you don't actually believe it's really ineptitude, do you? Me at least, I think that Spanish politicians are trying to secure as much money as they possibly can for themselves. <br><br>After all, one of the best ways to conceal theft is by "playing dumb".<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 July 2012 at 06:43<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></span><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">Brazil has the appearance of gold-standardstability relative to more than half of Europe and so why would the Real plummetin value next to these crumbling economies? <o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">Perhaps we should pose that question to one of the herd, as they begin their stampede from the currencies of unstable, as well as 'emerging' markets (even relatively stable ones), back to the 'safety' of the USD?!?</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"="">On an (assuming) unrelated topic, <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-19/new-york-fed-says-withdrawal-limit-makes-m&#111;ney-funds-safe.html" target="_blank">the NY Fed wants a regulation passed</a> which will prohibit money market funds from being withdrawn on whim (panic), but only after a 30 days notice.&nbsp; "Yes... it IS your money... you just can't have it yet.&nbsp; Get back to us in 30 days."&nbsp; WTF?!?</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="ms&#111;normal"=""><br></p></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 22:58<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>A jump to 3.0 is not far-fetched, considering the assorted 'contagions' floating around.<br><br>Thanks to Coolbloo for this link:<br><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fast-and-furious-return-reality-spanish-stock-market-plummets-12-two-days" target="_blank">A Fast And Furious Return To Reality: Spanish Stock Market Plummets By 12% In Two Days</a><br><br></td></tr></table><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Why might this come as surprise toanyone? In the name of sanity we are dealing with a European political problem,not an economic one. That problem is the Euro, exclusively. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>During the last European summit,the 20<sup>th</sup> of its kind I believe, markets believed that the agreementto allocate €100 billion to Spanish banks was the cure-all. The markets lovedit because this debt would be the responsibility of the banks and not theSpanish government and not adding to its sovereign debt – oh really? Ever heardof tunnel vision? And so who backs the Spanish banks? Eh, well… Opps, the bank’sstock plummets. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Then the Spanish Central Bank saysthat it needs €142billion for itself followed by another unofficial announcementthat slightly in excess of €400billion will be required to bailout Spain. MeanwhileSpanish debt interest has reached a point beyond what is commonly regarded asunsustainable. Oh dear! What’ll we do know? Run away, run away! This isineptitude on the grandest scale. Pity the Spanish people made victims by theirpoliticians.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Brazil has the appearance of gold-standardstability relative to more than half of Europe and so why would the Real plummetin value next to these crumbling economies? <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 21:43<br /><br /><br>A jump to 3.0 is not far-fetched, considering the assorted 'contagions' floating around.<br><br>Thanks to Coolbloo for this link:<br><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fast-and-furious-return-reality-spanish-stock-market-plummets-12-two-days" target="_blank">A Fast And Furious Return To Reality: Spanish Stock Market Plummets By 12% In Two Days</a><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5411">andrewfroboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 20:26<br /><br />Heck, at 3 I might even consider buying something, have been completely anti-real estate (having arrived here permanently just a year ago) but a 3 to 1 ration would be tempting. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 19:08<br /><br /><br>This is technically off-topic, but it's actually following up on a post made on May 28 of this year, in this thread.<br>Check out what was mentioned in <a href="http://gringoes.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13966&amp;KW=imbituba&amp;PID=181606#181606" target="_blank">the post made at 09:06 that day</a> (which I've also previously mentioned in other threads).<br><br>Now take a look at this article, which appeared in Folha de SP yesterday.<br><h1><a href="http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado/1123875-maior-potencial-de-expansao-em-sc-esta-na-cidade-de-imbituba.shtml" target="_blank">Maior potencial de expansão em SC está na cidade de Imbituba</a></h1>That article was referenced in this one, which also ran in yesterday's Folha.<br><h1><a href="http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/mercado/1123875-maior-potencial-de-expansao-em-sc-esta-na-cidade-de-imbituba.shtml" target="_blank">Itajaí, em SC, prospera com porto e cresce 700% em dez anos</a></h1><br>Should we hit 3.0 sometime in 2012, as GBoF predicts, it might be worth the time for a gringo to go have a look-see in Imbituba, and the surrounding vicinity!&nbsp; BTW... I'm rooting for you to be right GBof!!!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Thumbs%20Up" /><br><br>Yet even without a 3.0 rate (which certainly won't last very long, perhaps 3 months tops), IMO there's still plenty of opportunity in Brasil, and this could play out to be a good one, even if just for a RE investment....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>(Caveat: YMMV)<br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 23 July 2012 at 19:13</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 14:02<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><div></div>Ther Real is 2.07 x 2.17 on the parallel market today. So if a Brazilian wantsw to buy dollars he/she pays 2.17, so a move to three is small indeed.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></td></tr></table><div>2.07 to 2.17 is closer to 2.00 than 3.00. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 13:21<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And so the Real/Dollar appears to be flat-lining at a hair over twofers while we await the next anxiety attack from Europe<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></td></tr></table><BR><BR>Let's see if the Xanax continues to be effective this week, or not.&nbsp; I'd say "Start your engines", but I've done that so many times already, I'm almost out of gas!<BR><BR><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dcfda248-d487-11e1-9444-00144feabdc0.html#axzz21RZWKMqv" target="_blank">Euro and stocks slide</A><BR><BR>from article: "The euro has also dropped to a near 12-year trough versus the yen and investors are rushing into <I>the perceived haven</I> of US Treasuries..."<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>The Real now goes to three plus to the dollar as Brazilians continue to rush abroad...</td></tr></table> <DIV>Three plus? Calm down. Today the rate is 2.04. </DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Ther Real is 2.07 x 2.17 on the parallel market today. So if a Brazilian wantsw to buy dollars he/she pays 2.17, so a move to three is small indeed.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><DIV></DIV>In fact the Brazilian Gov is forced to devalue as it spends vast sums on retirement benefits with a very young population. A train wreck&nbsp; approaching.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 13:13<br /><br />I am hoping the EURBRL can hold 2,50 until I need to send money in November.  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 13:09<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />Bradesco missed their profit call and blamed it on the following <br><br><b><span id="articleText">" Bradesco missed most second-quarter profit as bad loanprovisions hit the highest in more than two years after thefifth straight quarter of rising delinquencies.</span>"</b><br><br>http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/23/bancobradesco-earnings-idINL2E8IN0F020120723<br><br>Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.<br></td></tr></table><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>This, of course, can be of no surpriseto any sentient being; bankers being excluded from this rare group. Currently,Brazil is at 35000ft with only one of its four engines working: Mayday – Mayday– Mayday. Incoming!! <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 13:04<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>And so the Real/Dollar appears to be flat-lining at a hair over twofers while we await the next anxiety attack from Europe<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"></span><o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>Let's see if the Xanax continues to be effective this week, or not.&nbsp; I'd say "Start your engines", but I've done that so many times already, I'm almost out of gas!<br><br><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dcfda248-d487-11e1-9444-00144feabdc0.html#axzz21RZWKMqv" target="_blank">Euro and stocks slide</a><br><br>from article: "The euro has also dropped to a near 12-year trough versus the yen and investors are rushing into <i>the perceived haven</i> of US Treasuries..."<br><br></td></tr></table> <div></div>The Real now goes to three plus to the dollar as Brazilians continue to rush abroad...</td></tr></table><div>Three plus? Calm down. Today the rate is 2.04. </div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 12:44<br /><br />Bradesco missed their profit call and blamed it on the following <br><br><b><span id="articleText">" Bradesco missed most second-quarter profit as bad loanprovisions hit the highest in more than two years after thefifth straight quarter of rising delinquencies.</span>"</b><br><br>http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/23/bancobradesco-earnings-idINL2E8IN0F020120723<br><br>Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 12:33<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">And so the Real/Dollar appears to be flat-lining at a hair over twofers while we await the next anxiety attack from Europe<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></td></tr></table><BR><BR>Let's see if the Xanax continues to be effective this week, or not.&nbsp; I'd say "Start your engines", but I've done that so many times already, I'm almost out of gas!<BR><BR><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dcfda248-d487-11e1-9444-00144feabdc0.html#axzz21RZWKMqv" target="_blank">Euro and stocks slide</A><BR><BR>from article: "The euro has also dropped to a near 12-year trough versus the yen and investors are rushing into <I>the perceived haven</I> of US Treasuries..."<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>The Real now goes to three plus to the dollar as Brazilians continue to rush abroad and spend like crazy as the money in the country buys crappy products at inflated prices. Tourists return from Brazil with empty suitcases as thhere is very little worth buying in Brazil. Dilma and the PT want a much lower Real to stimulate the economy.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><DIV>Note Petrobras continues to trade down 4% today near a 12 month low, down 70% from peak and headed lower...</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 23 July 2012 at 08:32<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span ="st"=""><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;; font-size: 12pt;">And so the Real/Dollar appears tobe flat-lining at a hair over twofers while we await the next anxiety attackfrom Europe<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"></span><o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>Let's see if the Xanax continues to be effective this week, or not.&nbsp; I'd say "Start your engines", but I've done that so many times already, I'm almost out of gas!<br><br><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dcfda248-d487-11e1-9444-00144feabdc0.html#axzz21RZWKMqv" target="_blank">Euro and stocks slide</a><br><br>from article: "The euro has also dropped to a near 12-year trough versus the yen and investors are rushing into <i>the perceived haven</i> of US Treasuries..."<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 July 2012 at 21:12<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>And so the Real/Dollar appears tobe flat-lining at a hair over twofers while we await the next anxiety attackfrom Europe or to learn just how audacious it was to hope for a US recovery instrong growth. Dysfunctional governments on both sides of the pond seem to be rockingback and forth while sitting on their hands and waiting for something to turnup meanwhile grateful that the banks are taking the media flak over the fraudulentfixing of the LIBOR rate and money laundering. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>So, taking stock of life, belief inthe tooth fairy and Santa Claus has been long shattered. Christopher Hitchenshas disproved the existence of God. Not everything is better with Coke. Heinekenis probably not the best larger and Guinness is certainly not good for youjudging by the hangovers and the colour of one’s stools. And so it has come topass that everything that was good and wholesome in the world has collapsed intothe chaos of Murphy’s Law: it’s all gone wrong apart from masturbation andsinging in the bath.&nbsp;<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 July 2012 at 15:48<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><p>Brazil's Selic Rate Cut To New Low: Is It Enough To Spark Economic Growth? <br>July 13, 2012&nbsp; | 37 commentsby: Caiman Valores&nbsp; |&nbsp; includes: EWZ, PBR, VALE The Brazilian government has just announced that it has cut the official interest rate, the Selic rate to an historic low of 8%. This is the eighth time the rate has been cut since hitting a peak of 12.5% in July 2011. It is also the first time that the rate has been under double digits since October 2009. Brazil's consistently high official interest rate has acted as a magnet attracting significant inflows of foreign investment or 'hot money' seeking high secure rates of return. This hot money has disrupted the government's already heavy handed monetary measures which were aimed at containing inflation and dampening a growing consumer credit bubble.</p><p>This rate cut is in line with expectations and comes on the back of weaker than expected economic growth, with a first quarter GDP growth rate of 1.89% and second quarter GDP growth estimated to be at around 2%. With weak economic growth and a domestic economy that is more and more looking like it has hit 'stall speed' the Brazilian government is pulling out all stops to kick-start economic growth.</p><p>Other policy measures put in place</p><p>Already the Brazilian government has introduced a wide range of measures from across the economic policy spectrum in order to catalyze growth but with little or no result. This has included implementing a range of measures aimed at protecting Brazilian industry from imports and introducing regulations that give local Brazilian companies preference in government procurements.</p><p>The government has also been keeping an artificial cap on gasoline prices as means of managing inflation and domestic transport costs in order to promote domestic growth. It has also introduced local content rules for the oil and gas industry, forcing energy companies to ensure that 65% of all materials used in operations are sourced from within Brazil. But the primary impact from these measures to date has been to harm the future expansion prospects of the government controlled oil giant Petrobras (PBR).</p><p>The government has also moved to cut the presence of foreign mining and energy companies by declaring assets such as farmland, oil, metals and minerals as strategic assets. These measures have also given Petrobras preferential access to the pre-salt oil fields and forced foreign oil and gas companies to operate in partnership with Petrobras.</p><p>Yet this hasn't been enough to restart an economy that is dangerously approaching economic stall speed and where the government's previous heavy handed monetary policy initiatives have crushed one of the key engines of Brazil's economic growth, domestic consumption. These measures so far have done little other than to increase the degree of political risk present when investing in Brazil, making investors more wary and less likely to invest.</p><p>Factors inhibiting Brazil's economic growth</p><p>Despite all of these indicators many market pundits and investors are still selling the virtues of investing in Brazil, its growth miracle and growing domestic consumption. But even with an additional fall in the Selic rate I doubt that domestic consumption rise will to the levels optimistically predicted.</p><p>While there is an obvious link between the cost of money and domestics consumption, dramatically reducing the cost of money in order to increase the money supply in an emerging like Brazil's does not have the same effect on consumption as it does in a developed economy such as the U.S.</p><p>There are a number of reasons for this, and some of the key reasons are Brazil's significant income inequality, high poverty and low average income. It is estimated that more than 26% of Brazil's population lives in poverty and even those households classified as middle-class in Brazil are living on a modest income in a country that has one of the highest levels of income inequality in Latin America.</p><p>The Gini coefficient which measures income inequality between 0 and 1, with 0 being the most equal and 1 being the least, indicates that Brazil has one of the highest levels of inequality in Latin America as the chart illustrates.</p><p>source data: World Bank</p><p>This indicates that a significant portion of Brazil's population has a moderate to low level of income and very little disposable income available for discretionary spending. As a result many consumers unable to access consumer credit or engage in significant levels discretionary spending, with most if not all of their disposable income spent on necessities.</p><p>The chart below illustrates that Brazil's average monthly wage adjusted for purchasing power parity is among the lowest in Latin America and is far lower than the United States, Chile or Argentina.</p><p>source data: International Labor Organization</p><p>Another indicator of Brazil's inability to sustain strong domestic consumption and rapidly grow consumption through increasing the money supply by reducing the price of credit is the country's low credit to GDP ratio. Currently, Brazil's credit to GDP ratio is around 50% and this is significantly lower than the average for emerging European and Asian economies.</p><p>source: Banco Bradesco Q1 2012 Presentation</p><p>This I believe is symptomatic of Brazil being caught in the "middle income trap" where it has already experienced the rapid growth associated with being a catch-up economy and is now plateauing because it lacks the right catalysts to become a high income economy. This has created a ceiling on the level of domestic credit and consumption.</p><p>Of even more concern is that the ratio is only forecast to grow moderately over the next 2 years to reach 55% by 2014. This indicates there is little if any opportunity for ongoing growth in consumer credit and a repeat of the consumer credit funded explosion in consumption witnessed over the past two years. It is also representative of how little effect the dropping the official interest rate has on stimulating domestic consumption.</p><p>Economic growth is dependent on China and Europe</p><p>An important piece of the Brazilian economic puzzle lies in the global economic headwinds being generated by slowing growth in China and the ongoing European financial crisis. Brazil has developed a dangerous economic dependency on China, which is now Brazil's dominant export partner and the destination for 18% of its exports. China is also now the dominant consumer of Brazil's iron ore and soybeans.</p><p>Brazil's other key trading partners are the member countries of the European Union ('EU') which as a collective region are the destination of 20% of Brazil's exports. All told, China and the EU are the combined destination for 38% of Brazil's total exports as the chart shows.</p><p>source data: Banco Central do Brasil</p><p>However, with the European financial crisis in full swing many of the EU's member states have fallen into deep recessions resulting from economic mismanagement and the now severe fiscal austerity measures being imposed upon them. In conjunction with this the Chinese economy has been slowing as part of a controlled economic slowdown initiated by the Chinese government to control inflation and prevent the growth of an emerging property bubble. As a result, Chinese industrial production, construction and domestic consumption have fallen curtailing the Chinese appetite for commodities.</p><p>Both of these have had a significant impact on the demand for Brazil's commodities and effectively brought to an end the tremendous commodity boom that was driving Brazil's economic growth. It is unlikely that monetary policy alone will be sufficient to trigger economic growth in Brazil, particularly because domestic consumption has stalled and will require a catalyst like a sustained surge in the demand for commodities to trigger renewed consumption.</p><p>The future outlook</p><p>While a lower Selic rate is beneficial for Brazilian exporters and for industrial activity as a whole, it is bad for Brazilian companies with share prices denominated in U.S dollars. Already the Brazilian real has depreciated against the U.S dollar by 8% this year and it is now likely that it will depreciate further.</p><p>This will have the effect of increasing interest costs for Brazilian companies with dollar denominated debt such as Petrobras and Vale (VALE) and for those Brazilian companies with significant dollar denominated debt placing further pressure on lending covenants. It is also likely that any further significant depreciation in the real will see those companies examining means of limiting capital expenditure so as to contain expenses in a difficult operating environment. Obviously this would see less domestic investment in Brazil by some of the country's largest corporations.</p><p>It is unlikely that reducing the official rate alone will reinvigorate Brazilian economic growth nor stimulate domestic consumption. The key catalyst that will trigger renewed economic growth in Brazil will be a resumption in China's rapid growth and demand for commodities. A further catalyst will be renewed economic growth in Europe, which will only occur when European financial crisis is resolved.</p><p>While there is certainly cyclical element to the current fall in Brazilian economic growth related primarily to global demand for commodities, I believe there are structural economic and developmental issues that will prevent the overly optimistic view of Brazil's economic miracle becoming reality. These include the dangerous over-dependence on China, the excessive economic protectionism and high levels of poverty and income inequality. Until these structural issues are dealt with, it will not be possible for Brazilian domestic consumption to become a driver of economic growth.</p><p>For these reasons even if there is a strong recovery in China and Europe it is unlikely that Brazil will experience the rapid pace of economic growth that it has seen over the last decade. I would expect future economic growth to be moderate and this will obviously effect the valuation of Brazilian companies. For these reasons it is unlikely that investors will see the high returns expected from what has been touted as one of the world's hottest emerging markets. This doesn't bode well for the performance of broad based Brazilian ETFs such as the iShares MSCI Brazil Index (EWZ), which leads me to speculate that Brazilian investments have been overbought on optimistic sentiment.</p><p><br>&nbsp;</p></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The article is very matter and to the point. My question would be given that government has it's own economists whom, should be aware of these factors. One would think that they would be working on credible solutions to the underlying problems</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>1.Income distribution</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>2.High Barriers of entry to their Brasilian markets.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Less we forget that a mass market economics requires disposable incomes across a broad cross-section of the population. They need to develop industries are high revenue and High salaried.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I have seen Jobs that pay 6000 Reais per month in my country attract only 1/3 or 1/2 that figure in Brasil</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 July 2012 at 14:04<br /><br /><P>Brazil's Selic Rate Cut To New Low: Is It Enough To Spark Economic Growth? <BR>July 13, 2012&nbsp; | 37 commentsby: Caiman Valores&nbsp; |&nbsp; includes: EWZ, PBR, VALE The Brazilian government has just announced that it has cut the official interest rate, the Selic rate to an historic low of 8%. This is the eighth time the rate has been cut since hitting a peak of 12.5% in July 2011. It is also the first time that the rate has been under double digits since October 2009. Brazil's consistently high official interest rate has acted as a magnet attracting significant inflows of foreign investment or 'hot money' seeking high secure rates of return. This hot money has disrupted the government's already heavy handed monetary measures which were aimed at containing inflation and dampening a growing consumer credit bubble.</P><P>This rate cut is in line with expectations and comes on the back of weaker than expected economic growth, with a first quarter GDP growth rate of 1.89% and second quarter GDP growth estimated to be at around 2%. With weak economic growth and a domestic economy that is more and more looking like it has hit 'stall speed' the Brazilian government is pulling out all stops to kick-start economic growth.</P><P>Other policy measures put in place</P><P>Already the Brazilian government has introduced a wide range of measures from across the economic policy spectrum in order to catalyze growth but with little or no result. This has included implementing a range of measures aimed at protecting Brazilian industry from imports and introducing regulations that give local Brazilian companies preference in government procurements.</P><P>The government has also been keeping an artificial cap on gasoline prices as means of managing inflation and domestic transport costs in order to promote domestic growth. It has also introduced local content rules for the oil and gas industry, forcing energy companies to ensure that 65% of all materials used in operations are sourced from within Brazil. But the primary impact from these measures to date has been to harm the future expansion prospects of the government controlled oil giant Petrobras (PBR).</P><P>The government has also moved to cut the presence of foreign mining and energy companies by declaring assets such as farmland, oil, metals and minerals as strategic assets. These measures have also given Petrobras preferential access to the pre-salt oil fields and forced foreign oil and gas companies to operate in partnership with Petrobras.</P><P>Yet this hasn't been enough to restart an economy that is dangerously approaching economic stall speed and where the government's previous heavy handed monetary policy initiatives have crushed one of the key engines of Brazil's economic growth, domestic consumption. These measures so far have done little other than to increase the degree of political risk present when investing in Brazil, making investors more wary and less likely to invest.</P><P>Factors inhibiting Brazil's economic growth</P><P>Despite all of these indicators many market pundits and investors are still selling the virtues of investing in Brazil, its growth miracle and growing domestic consumption. But even with an additional fall in the Selic rate I doubt that domestic consumption rise will to the levels optimistically predicted.</P><P>While there is an obvious link between the cost of money and domestics consumption, dramatically reducing the cost of money in order to increase the money supply in an emerging like Brazil's does not have the same effect on consumption as it does in a developed economy such as the U.S.</P><P>There are a number of reasons for this, and some of the key reasons are Brazil's significant income inequality, high poverty and low average income. It is estimated that more than 26% of Brazil's population lives in poverty and even those households classified as middle-class in Brazil are living on a modest income in a country that has one of the highest levels of income inequality in Latin America.</P><P>The Gini coefficient which measures income inequality between 0 and 1, with 0 being the most equal and 1 being the least, indicates that Brazil has one of the highest levels of inequality in Latin America as the chart illustrates.</P><P>source data: World Bank</P><P>This indicates that a significant portion of Brazil's population has a moderate to low level of income and very little disposable income available for discretionary spending. As a result many consumers unable to access consumer credit or engage in significant levels discretionary spending, with most if not all of their disposable income spent on necessities.</P><P>The chart below illustrates that Brazil's average monthly wage adjusted for purchasing power parity is among the lowest in Latin America and is far lower than the United States, Chile or Argentina.</P><P>source data: International Labor Organization</P><P>Another indicator of Brazil's inability to sustain strong domestic consumption and rapidly grow consumption through increasing the money supply by reducing the price of credit is the country's low credit to GDP ratio. Currently, Brazil's credit to GDP ratio is around 50% and this is significantly lower than the average for emerging European and Asian economies.</P><P>source: Banco Bradesco Q1 2012 Presentation</P><P>This I believe is symptomatic of Brazil being caught in the "middle income trap" where it has already experienced the rapid growth associated with being a catch-up economy and is now plateauing because it lacks the right catalysts to become a high income economy. This has created a ceiling on the level of domestic credit and consumption.</P><P>Of even more concern is that the ratio is only forecast to grow moderately over the next 2 years to reach 55% by 2014. This indicates there is little if any opportunity for ongoing growth in consumer credit and a repeat of the consumer credit funded explosion in consumption witnessed over the past two years. It is also representative of how little effect the dropping the official interest rate has on stimulating domestic consumption.</P><P>Economic growth is dependent on China and Europe</P><P>An important piece of the Brazilian economic puzzle lies in the global economic headwinds being generated by slowing growth in China and the ongoing European financial crisis. Brazil has developed a dangerous economic dependency on China, which is now Brazil's dominant export partner and the destination for 18% of its exports. China is also now the dominant consumer of Brazil's iron ore and soybeans.</P><P>Brazil's other key trading partners are the member countries of the European Union ('EU') which as a collective region are the destination of 20% of Brazil's exports. All told, China and the EU are the combined destination for 38% of Brazil's total exports as the chart shows.</P><P>source data: Banco Central do Brasil</P><P>However, with the European financial crisis in full swing many of the EU's member states have fallen into deep recessions resulting from economic mismanagement and the now severe fiscal austerity measures being imposed upon them. In conjunction with this the Chinese economy has been slowing as part of a controlled economic slowdown initiated by the Chinese government to control inflation and prevent the growth of an emerging property bubble. As a result, Chinese industrial production, construction and domestic consumption have fallen curtailing the Chinese appetite for commodities.</P><P>Both of these have had a significant impact on the demand for Brazil's commodities and effectively brought to an end the tremendous commodity boom that was driving Brazil's economic growth. It is unlikely that monetary policy alone will be sufficient to trigger economic growth in Brazil, particularly because domestic consumption has stalled and will require a catalyst like a sustained surge in the demand for commodities to trigger renewed consumption.</P><P>The future outlook</P><P>While a lower Selic rate is beneficial for Brazilian exporters and for industrial activity as a whole, it is bad for Brazilian companies with share prices denominated in U.S dollars. Already the Brazilian real has depreciated against the U.S dollar by 8% this year and it is now likely that it will depreciate further.</P><P>This will have the effect of increasing interest costs for Brazilian companies with dollar denominated debt such as Petrobras and Vale (VALE) and for those Brazilian companies with significant dollar denominated debt placing further pressure on lending covenants. It is also likely that any further significant depreciation in the real will see those companies examining means of limiting capital expenditure so as to contain expenses in a difficult operating environment. Obviously this would see less domestic investment in Brazil by some of the country's largest corporations.</P><P>It is unlikely that reducing the official rate alone will reinvigorate Brazilian economic growth nor stimulate domestic consumption. The key catalyst that will trigger renewed economic growth in Brazil will be a resumption in China's rapid growth and demand for commodities. A further catalyst will be renewed economic growth in Europe, which will only occur when European financial crisis is resolved.</P><P>While there is certainly cyclical element to the current fall in Brazilian economic growth related primarily to global demand for commodities, I believe there are structural economic and developmental issues that will prevent the overly optimistic view of Brazil's economic miracle becoming reality. These include the dangerous over-dependence on China, the excessive economic protectionism and high levels of poverty and income inequality. Until these structural issues are dealt with, it will not be possible for Brazilian domestic consumption to become a driver of economic growth.</P><P>For these reasons even if there is a strong recovery in China and Europe it is unlikely that Brazil will experience the rapid pace of economic growth that it has seen over the last decade. I would expect future economic growth to be moderate and this will obviously effect the valuation of Brazilian companies. For these reasons it is unlikely that investors will see the high returns expected from what has been touted as one of the world's hottest emerging markets. This doesn't bode well for the performance of broad based Brazilian ETFs such as the iShares MSCI Brazil Index (EWZ), which leads me to speculate that Brazilian investments have been overbought on optimistic sentiment.</P><P><BR>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 July 2012 at 14:00<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Realising that it may be a contradiction in terms, there yet remains the possibility that the collective idiot may come to the final conclusion that politicians are just as dumb and idiotic as the rest of us. Self-interest, criminality, greed and gross stupidity got us into the grievous financial position that prevails today. No news here but huge sums of money have been spent and, apart from the bank balances of the precious few, there is little to show for it; we have maxed-out the collective credit card by consuming on the basis of future earnings. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Today the club med countries, Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain are in very deep and serious trouble and the politician’s clever solution is to go cold turkey on their debt addiction; stop spending, a simplistic and dumber than dumb series of retrograde actions that are having a negative effect on their respective economies. The complexities of economics within economies are an elusive and ever-changing set of circumstances evolving within the constraints dictated by Newton’s third law e.g. the cure for obesity is to stop eating &#091;cold turkey&#093; &#091;pardon the pun&#093; Stop eating and the patient dies.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The cure rests with the people and with what common sense prevails. The Europeans are in desperate need of the long awaited epiphany that will have them shun the European Dream, the dream of Federalism. Rise up and rebel! Take back your currencies and resume your proper place in the rankings of the global economy while remembering that not all men are equal. </SPAN>Deutschland über alles</SPAN><SPAN ="st"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: rgb(34,34,34); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">.</SPAN></B></SPAN><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>You are right that the future of the Euro remins in the hands of the Germans. Cover story in Barron's about Euro parity with the dollar as the way to solve the problem. Lower Euro creates demand for European goods, creates jobs, spending for infrastructure, schools, healthcare... But if the Germans refuse to forgive massive amounts of debt, then Greece, Spain and even Italy will be forced to leave and bring back the old currencies.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 July 2012 at 11:29<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Realising that it may be acontradiction in terms, there yet remains the possibility that the collectiveidiot may come to the final conclusion that politicians are just as dumb and idioticas the rest of us. Self-interest, criminality, greed and gross stupidity got usinto the grievous financial position that prevails today. No news here but hugesums of money have been spent and, apart from the bank balances of the preciousfew, there is little to show for it; we have maxed-out the collective creditcard by consuming on the basis of future earnings. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Today the club med countries,Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain are in very deep and serious trouble and thepolitician’s clever solution is to go cold turkey on their debt addiction; stopspending, a simplistic and dumber than dumb series of retrograde actions thatare having a negative effect on their respective economies. The complexities ofeconomics within economies are an elusive and ever-changing set ofcircumstances evolving within the constraints dictated by Newton’s third lawe.g. the cure for obesity is to stop eating &#091;cold turkey&#093; &#091;pardon the pun&#093; Stopeating and the patient dies.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="Ms&#111;normal"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>The cure rests with the people andwith what common sense prevails. The Europeans are in desperate need of thelong awaited epiphany that will have them shun the European Dream, the dream ofFederalism. Rise up and rebel! Take back your currencies and resume your properplace in the rankings of the global economy while remembering that not all menare equal. </span>Deutschland über alles</span><span ="st"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"><span style='color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>.</span></b></span><span ="st"><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 July 2012 at 08:33<br /><br /><br>What's on the radar for this week:&nbsp; <a href="http://m&#111;ney.cnn.com/2012/07/13/investing/stocks-lookahead/" target="_blank">Earnings and Fed action in play </a><br><br>Also: <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-ec&#111;nomy-global-weekaheadbre86e0f6-20120715,0,2779958.story" target="_blank">World watches Bernanke as Ben eyes Euro</a>&nbsp; (time to buy new cartridges, and start printing?!?)<br><br>Lastly: <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/16/us-markets-global-idUSBRE86F00620120716" target="_blank">Spanish Debt Woes Hit Euro</a>&nbsp; (so what's new, right?)<br><br><br>EDIT: Just read <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/07/marshall-auerback-the-pain-in-spain.html" target="_blank">here</a> that Spain's PM recently increased the sales tax from 18% to 21%!&nbsp; In a country with 25% unemployment, 50% youth unemployment, and collapsing retail sales.&nbsp; Good move!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 16 July 2012 at 09:46</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 July 2012 at 07:42<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by pyth0n</strong></em><br /><br />I wouldn't sweat that law too much spongebob, if South American banks started ratting out their private, and even corporate clients to Uncle Sam half of these countries would collapse. Uncle Sam has no way to verify whether a foreign bank is telling the truth or not, so I'm going to guess if John Doe has a 6 or 7 figure savings account then the manager of that bank is going to do everything in their power to make sure John Doe and his friends continue to keep their cash there so they can continue to use it to manipulate the value of their currencies and bonds. <br></td></tr></table><br><br>Haha, I'm not a "private" client. I don't have that much money. Even now Mr. Python, you, as an American, are at a disadvantage in this world just due to the fact of where you were born. There are things that Brazilians can do that Americans can't. When I discovered this, I didn't want to be American anymore. And no, I'm not talking about anything illegal.<br><br>Since I've already applied or citizenship here, I think I'm just going to wait it out and then relinquish US Citizenship since many people say it's better and it doesn't cost $450. (I don't want to pay since I didn't ask to be born there). Do some fact-finding research. I would hate to be an American in Europe now. They can only open checking accounts.. if they are lucky.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 July 2012 at 07:35<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">So let me get this clear: printing money is to dilute the value of money therefore stocks and gold rise in value to compensate for the depreciation cause by dilution. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table><br><b><br>Every home should have one!</b>&nbsp; <br><br><br><img src="http://i49.tinypic.com/2irohox.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Hahah, how you find all of these little images, I have no idea...<br><br><b>Espirit</b> - markets are COUNTER INTUITIVE! You will <u><b>never</b></u> figure them out.&nbsp; Stocks/shares/reais/dollars/euros.. blahh! Terrible investments.&nbsp; Anything that politicians or other people can manipulate are going to be manipulated at some point.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 13:32<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">So let me get this clear: printing money is to dilute the value of money therefore stocks and gold rise in value to compensate for the depreciation cause by dilution. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table><br><b><br>Every home should have one!</b>&nbsp; <br><br><br><img src="http://i49.tinypic.com/2irohox.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 13:07<br /><br /><div>&nbsp;</div><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br />&#091;QUOTE=Gringo.Floripa&#093;<br><br><br>...Back on topic:  <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/12/markets-global-idUSL6E8IC8VE20120712" target="_blank">Dashed stimulus hopes sends shares lower</a> (and USD higher?)<br><br></td></tr></table> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;'>Has the world gone mad or what! Both stocks and gold fall in value&nbsp; ecause the Fed has no immediate intention of printing more Dollars? </span></span>&#091;QUOTE&#093;</p><div></div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">Esprit - If it was marked lower then maybe it came as a surprise. Who knows..crazy markets, just dont buy the hype, Gold has seen some good times recently.</p><div>Edit. According to an investment advisor that i know, the Good news is usually market down and the Bad news is marked up, this is because the market has usually factored the news or the possibility of these events&nbsp;into the market prices already.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>..</div><div>&nbsp;</div></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">What do you guys think about Silver? An interesting one isnt it. Paper Trading Silver being valued less than Physical Silver. Also dwindeling reserves as it is used up in industry, unlike Gold.</p></div><div>They reackon that Gold and Silver will be used as a future currency aswell, i dont really understand how they will be used as a currency.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Edit. Also, what is the best physical Silver to buy, Bars, Coins, which ones, Silver Eagles? This is definately going north, the question is when.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>..</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 12 July 2012 at 13:54</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 12:37<br /><br />I would be willing to pay for your ticket to Wall Street if you will do what you say.<br>Give an extra slap for me especially to the directors of GS. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 12:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><BR><BR><BR>...Back on topic:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/12/markets-global-idUSL6E8IC8VE20120712" target="_blank">Dashed stimulus hopes sends shares lower</A> (and USD higher?)<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Has the world gone mad or what! Both stocks and gold fall in value because the Fed has no immediate intention of printing more Dollars? So let me get this clear: printing money is to dilute the value of money therefore stocks and gold rise in value to compensate for the depreciation cause by dilution. Where’s the freakin’ gain guys? Let me loose in Wall Street and I’ll bitchslap some sense into those eejits.&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Angry" /></SPAN><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 12:11<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Avoiding the question, I see. &nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><br>Tells me all I need to know about Ray the Hamster.&nbsp; <br><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div><img src="http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hx4f65400f.jpg" height="314" width="400" border="0" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>..</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 13 July 2012 at 01:12</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 11:58<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br />Thats how you think it works, but it isnt that easy in my experience.</td></tr></table><br><br>Expand on your 'experience' there in the NE, the <i>genuine</i> Brasil.&nbsp; Illuminate us.<br><br></td></tr></table><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>How long have you got..<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I will illuminate you Floorippa, you have learned that they/we/us, have double glazing in the northeast, so you learn something everyday, albeit&nbsp;slowly. What did you think, that we all live in T-Pees <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;You really are interested in the real Brazil arent you..what the <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" />.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Also you will learn that i am not your friend Ray either, were you a Detective in your native homeland, where ever that was..<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>You think you are&nbsp;Sherlock Holmes, i promise you you aint no Sherlock Holmes.</td></tr></table><br><br>Avoiding the question, I see. &nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><br>Tells me all I need to know about Ray the Hamster.&nbsp; <br><br><br>Back on topic:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/12/markets-global-idUSL6E8IC8VE20120712" target="_blank">Dashed stimulus hopes sends shares lower</a> (and USD higher?)<br><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12405">pyth0n</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 11:55<br /><br />I wouldn't sweat that law too much spongebob, if South American banks started ratting out their private, and even corporate clients to Uncle Sam half of these countries would collapse. Uncle Sam has no way to verify whether a foreign bank is telling the truth or not, so I'm going to guess if John Doe has a 6 or 7 figure savings account then the manager of that bank is going to do everything in their power to make sure John Doe and his friends continue to keep their cash there so they can continue to use it to manipulate the value of their currencies and bonds. <br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by pyth0n - 12 July 2012 at 12:23</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 11:50<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br />Thats how you think it works, but it isnt that easy in my experience.</td></tr></table><br><br>Expand on your 'experience' there in the NE, the <i>genuine</i> Brasil.&nbsp; Illuminate us.<br><br></td></tr></table><div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>How long have you got..<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I will illuminate you Floorippa, you have learned that they/we/us, have double glazing in the northeast, so you learn something everyday, albeit&nbsp;slowly. What did you think, that we all live in T-Pees <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;You really are interested in the real Brazil arent you..what the <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" />.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Also you will learn that i am not your friend Ray either, were you a Detective in your native homeland, where ever that was..<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>You think you are&nbsp;Sherlock Holmes, i promise you you aint no Sherlock Holmes.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This is pretty much what you are dealing with up here.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;<img src="http://www.mostlyposters.com/images/posters/thumbnails/gangsters.jpg" height="335" width="500" border="0" style="padding-top:%208px;%20padding-right:%208px;%20padding-bottom:%208px;" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>..</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 12 July 2012 at 11:56</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 11:18<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br />Thats how you think it works, but it isnt that easy in my experience.</td></tr></table><br><br>Expand on your 'experience' there in the NE, the <i>genuine</i> Brasil.&nbsp; Illuminate us.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 11:15<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br />You live in a fascist military and mob controlled&nbsp;banana republic&nbsp;GF, make no mistake about it.</td></tr></table><br><br>Interesting you wrote 'you live', and not 'we live'.&nbsp; So do you <i>really</i> live in the NE of Brasil 'Ray', or is it the NE of the EUA?&nbsp; Strange, you've never mentioned exactly <i>where</i> in the NE you call home.&nbsp; If Brasil is so oppressive to you, why do you stay?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Too many ties to severe now, i dont live in a rental apartment teaching english and sitting on the computer all day,&nbsp;whilst waiting for my Brazilian girfriend to decide when we are going to move out of the country.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>No i wrote you live, because You live in europe GF, i dont live in europe i live in the northeast of Brazil, i suppose the heartland of Brazil where you rarely , if at all see another&nbsp;gringo,&nbsp;not the cosmopolitan european version of Brazil where they have October Fest and Sourcrout eating competitions.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Edit.&nbsp; I live in the northeast of Brazil GF and no, i am not Ray, never heard of him, where was he from then?</div><div>My advice would be to stop messing with those herbs, they addle your brain&nbsp;and help to&nbsp;keep you Comfortably Numb.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 12 July 2012 at 11:24</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 11:05<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br /><div>Or they do want to work and then look to get extremily&nbsp;lazy and incompetent&nbsp;around the second year and wait for you to fire them and then threaten you with a law suit for unfair dismissal and wait for a wad of notes. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></div><div>&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br>I say, "Let them BE lazy..." -- It just creates more opportunity for those who want to work.</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Thats how you think it works, but it isnt that easy in my experience. Employ women aswell if you can, they work better than the men in many cases and dont drink so much cachaca.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 11:02<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br />You live in a fascist military and mob controlled&nbsp;banana republic&nbsp;GF, make no mistake about it.</td></tr></table><br><br>Interesting you wrote 'you live', and not 'we live'.&nbsp; So do you <i>really</i> live in the NE of Brasil 'Ray', or is it the NE of the EUA?&nbsp; Strange, you've never mentioned exactly <i>where</i> in the NE you call home.&nbsp; If Brasil is so oppressive to you, why do you stay (if you actually live here, that is)?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 12 July 2012 at 11:11</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 10:53<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br /><div>Brazil doesnt spend hundreds of millions in aid to&nbsp;foreign countries either. Thank god the US does get involved in world disputes</td></tr></table><br><br>I'm not so sure the Almighty appreciates being given gratitude for the waging of war of one nation against another, and the slaughter of innocents.... &nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br>Brasil might not match Tio Sam's foreign 'aid', which is usually highest to those who have something Tio wants (always labeled 'in the national interest'), but neither does Brasil spend the BILLIONS on the military like Tio Sam does (now close to the one trillion dollar threshold).&nbsp; And note <a href="http://www.usfederalbudget.us/defense_budget_2012_3.html" target="_blank">the graph</a>, on how much Tio spends on education, vs military expenses.<br><br>No wonder the populace is being dumb-downed, and mindlessly recites the mantra "Support the troops'.&nbsp; Give me a 'banana republic' any day, which wastes it's money on sports stadiums, verses a pseudo-republic that spends <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_8A6DStk7Q" target="_blank">more money on waging war than on social uplift</a>!</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>So you would prefer to be speaking German or Japanese would you. Actually thats quite ironoc cus you do speak german down there in europe anyway.lol</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>But what a short and selective memory you have. You mean the innocents that were being killed before the US had anything to do with it. They were killing thousands before an Gulf wars. Iraq and Iran had a war themselves where Hussein was firing chemical weapons into Iranian villages and killing children and babies and doing the same to the Iraqi Kurds in the north.&nbsp;Iraq has always been a can or worms, Iran aswell for that matter.&nbsp;I have Iraq and Kuwaiti friends, who tell me that. Anyway thats another, long story.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Brazil doesnt do much&nbsp;for anyone, least of all its own people just as long as the political machine is kept well oiled and the politicians and bueaurocrats jobs are all secure to use and abuse a get fat and wealthy whilst looking down their noses at all and sundry.</div><div>You dont live in Brazil either Floorippa, you live in Europe, you didnt even know that they have double glazing in the north&nbsp;of Brazil, what do you think they install in thousands of new apartment buildings that they are building up here.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Sometimes banana republics wage war on themselves instead, abusing power hungry buearucrats and their a-kissing followers and the&nbsp;terrified civilians to scared to do anything about it. Why do you think they are called Policia Militar. You live in a fascist military and mob controlled&nbsp;banana republic&nbsp;GF, make no mistake about it.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 10:01<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br /><div>Brazil doesnt spend hundreds of millions in aid to&nbsp;foreign countries either. Thank god the US does get involved in world disputes</td></tr></table><br><br>I'm not so sure the Almighty appreciates being given gratitude for the waging of war of one nation against another, and the slaughter of innocents.... &nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br>Brasil might not match Tio Sam's foreign 'aid', which is usually highest to those who have something Tio wants (always labeled 'in the national interest'), but neither does Brasil spend the BILLIONS on the military like Tio Sam does (now close to the one trillion dollar threshold).&nbsp; And note <a href="http://www.usfederalbudget.us/defense_budget_2012_3.html" target="_blank">the graph</a>, on how much Tio spends on education, vs military expenses.<br><br>No wonder the populace is being dumb-downed, and mindlessly recites the mantra "Support the troops'.&nbsp; Give me a 'banana republic' any day, which wastes it's money on sports stadiums, verses a pseudo-republic that <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxxeyPBB36c" target="_blank">spends </a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxxeyPBB36c" target="_blank">more money on waging war than on social uplift</a>!<br><br><br>EDIT: Link to a more somber version of MLK's prescient speech.<br><br><br></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 12 July 2012 at 10:56</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6859">OldMiller</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 08:56<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br />If my memory serves me correctly, almost half the population of the US is on some sort of government assistance.</td></tr></table> Yes, and they want big gub'ment to keep their dirty hands off their Medicare!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 07:35<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br /><br><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Or they do want to work and then look to get extremily&nbsp;lazy and incompetent&nbsp;around the second year and wait for you to fire them and then threaten you with a law suit for unfair dismissal and wait for a wad of notes. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br>I say, "Let them BE lazy..." -- It just creates more opportunity for those who want to work.<br><br><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 July 2012 at 07:21<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br><br><b>Espirit </b>- I don't exactly agree with your comment. There are tons of opportunities in Brazil. If Brazilians don't want to work, that's their deal. You can't possibly think that 90% of the country is poor?<br><br><br></td></tr></table> <div></div>Which comment Bob?</td></tr></table><br><br>The one about average <b>Brazilians not getting a fair shake at things</b>. For the record, all of my degrees come from PAID private schools, so Uncle Sam never gave me anything that wasn't the result of sweat and labour.<br><br>I was just saying that if a Brazilian wants to work, there is work to be found. I was talking to a pedreiro today that lives in one of the nicest neighborhoods in the city. I asked "Why don't you bring a helper?" His reply "It's verrrry difficult to find someone". Nobody wants to work. That's why I'm saying that opportunities arise from this.<br><br>&nbsp;<br></td></tr></table> <div></div><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">I gather that the unemployment statistics indicate to a rate of 6% or under which is regarded as very good during these troubled economic times &#091;there being always a percentage within those figures that are unemployable&#093;. This goes some way in explaining why it is difficult to find skilled workers &#091;hah! Skilled workers?&#093;. However I don’t recall making any comment about 90% of Brazilians being poor - yet to come to think of it and, dependent on the current definition of rich, a couple of million that are truly rich may not be so inaccurate. Poverty is a relative term and in passing I would observe that one is far more likely to find poverty in Brazil than in the US.<!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></td></tr></table><br><br>Of course! In the US and the UK, the State supports people who have no money. In the US alone, you have Welfare and Section 8 housing. If you want to see crazy mob-like behavior, search on section 8 vouchers.&nbsp; Now the thing I'm seeing people talk about is the EBT cards, I believe. That must be a food stamp card. If my memory serves me correctly, almost half the population of the US is on some sort of government assistance. So poverty is a very relative term....<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 17:50<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><BR><BR><B>Espirit </B>- I don't exactly agree with your comment. There are tons of opportunities in Brazil. If Brazilians don't want to work, that's their deal. You can't possibly think that 90% of the country is poor?<BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Which comment Bob?</td></tr></table><BR><BR>The one about average <B>Brazilians not getting a fair shake at things</B>. For the record, all of my degrees come from PAID private schools, so Uncle Sam never gave me anything that wasn't the result of sweat and labour.<BR><BR>I was just saying that if a Brazilian wants to work, there is work to be found. I was talking to a pedreiro today that lives in one of the nicest neighborhoods in the city. I asked "Why don't you bring a helper?" His reply "It's verrrry difficult to find someone". Nobody wants to work. That's why I'm saying that opportunities arise from this.<BR><BR>&nbsp;<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>I gather that the unemployment statistics indicate to a rate of 6% or under which is regarded as very good during these troubled economic times &#091;there being always a percentage within those figures that are unemployable&#093;. This goes some way in explaining why it is difficult to find skilled workers &#091;hah! Skilled workers?&#093;. However I don’t recall making any comment about 90% of Brazilians being poor - yet to come to think of it and, dependent on the current definition of rich, a couple of million that are truly rich may not be so inaccurate. Poverty is a relative term and in passing I would observe that one is far more likely to find poverty in Brazil than in the US.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 17:41<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br><br><b>Espirit </b>- I don't exactly agree with your comment. There are tons of opportunities in Brazil. If Brazilians don't want to work, that's their deal. You can't possibly think that 90% of the country is poor?<br><br><br></td></tr></table> <div></div>Which comment Bob?</td></tr></table><br><br>The one about average <b>Brazilians not getting a fair shake at things</b>. For the record, all of my degrees come from PAID private schools, so Uncle Sam never gave me anything that wasn't the result of sweat and labour.<br><br>I was just saying that if a Brazilian wants to work, there is work to be found. I was talking to a pedreiro today that lives in one of the nicest neighborhoods in the city. I asked "Why don't you bring a helper?" His reply "It's verrrry difficult to find someone". Nobody wants to work. That's why I'm saying that opportunities arise from this.<br><br>&nbsp;<br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Or they do want to work and then look to get extremily&nbsp;lazy and incompetent&nbsp;around the second year and wait for you to fire them and then threaten you with a law suit for unfair dismissal and wait for a wad of notes. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 11 July 2012 at 17:43</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 17:36<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br><br><b>Espirit </b>- I don't exactly agree with your comment. There are tons of opportunities in Brazil. If Brazilians don't want to work, that's their deal. You can't possibly think that 90% of the country is poor?<br><br><br></td></tr></table> <div></div>Which comment Bob?</td></tr></table><br><br>The one about average <b>Brazilians not getting a fair shake at things</b>. For the record, all of my degrees come from PAID private schools, so Uncle Sam never gave me anything that wasn't the result of sweat and labour.<br><br>I was just saying that if a Brazilian wants to work, there is work to be found. I was talking to a pedreiro today that lives in one of the nicest neighborhoods in the city. I asked "Why don't you bring a helper?" His reply "It's verrrry difficult to find someone". Nobody wants to work. That's why I'm saying that opportunities arise from this.<br><br>&nbsp;<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 17:31<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by pyth0n</strong></em><br /><br />If I understand the FATCA correctly, all US citizens holding more than 10K USD in foreign banks are required to report it to the Dept. of Treasury?<br><br>I was under the impression that if you make less than 93,200 USD p/year and spend more than 315 days outside of the USA per year, then your foreign income was not taxable. <br></td></tr></table><br><br>Wrong. Sorry, I wish it were that way. That's only for EARNED income (aka job). Technically the Brazilian poupança is taxable even though it is tax free in Brazil.<br><br>The FATCA opens up a whole other can of worms. Americans in Europe are being denied bank accounts and mortgages. That hasn't hit here, yet. Do some searching; I'm sure that you will be equally appalled.<br><br>That's why for me at least, the plan is to naturalise here (Brazil) and tell Uncle Sam to take a hike. I"m not rich either; I just don't want hassles overseas due to my birthplace.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 11 July 2012 at 17:32</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 17:29<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by pyth0n</strong></em><br /><br />If I understand the FATCA correctly, all US citizens holding more than 10K USD in foreign banks are required to report it to the Dept. of Treasury?<BR><BR>I was under the impression that if you make less than 93,200 USD p/year and spend more than 315 days outside of the USA per year, then your foreign income was not taxable. <BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Boy, have you stirred up a hornet’s nest – hit the deck. INCOMING!!!!<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12405">pyth0n</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 17:19<br /><br />If I understand the FATCA correctly, all US citizens holding more than 10K USD in foreign banks are required to report it to the Dept. of Treasury?<br><br>I was under the impression that if you make less than 93,200 USD p/year and spend more than 315 days outside of the USA per year, then your foreign income was not taxable. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 17:04<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by pyth0n</strong></em><br /><br />spongebob - Not trying to argue or anything, but I've seen you make several references to how the US gov. keeps tabs on it's citizen's living overseas. Just out of curiosity, what makes you say this?</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>His comments are to do with this i believe, look up/search this Topic on this forum&nbsp;..</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial">US Banking Abroad - FATCA</font></strong></div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial">..</font></strong></div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="3" face="Arial"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 11 July 2012 at 17:04</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 16:44<br /><br /><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>Spongebob.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Getting alittle off topic here..</div><div>True, Brazil doesnt get onvolved in other countries troubles basically cus it doesnt give a damn how the world turns out, it has enough troubles at home. If the US didnt get involved in the world problems we would be speaking probably either Russian or German with a Japanese accent and you'd be singing songs about Hitler and how wonderful he was... <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>He escaped to Argentina apparently and finished his days like Nepoleon.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The amounts of money via corruption that&nbsp;you&nbsp;mention&nbsp;is pittance compared to here and&nbsp;its a general norm, rather than a one off or afew as per your comparison.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Brazil doesnt spend hundreds of millions in aid to&nbsp;foreign countries either. Thank god the US does get involved in world disputes, i as an Englishman am very grateful to them, we would have been in deep&nbsp;doo-doos if Franklin Roosevelt hadnt have been so willing. And the American heroes that paid with their lives are buried on the shores of France.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Edit. With regards to keeping tabs, i agree slightly with their view and overseas natives living off the country and yet spending it abroad. I dont think people can have it both ways or have their cake and eat it.</div><div>Edit. Having said that, i havent read all the details of what extra taxes there will be or other with regards to US citizens living abroad and i dont think it has come into effect either or even will, i dont know and admittedly i would'nt&nbsp;want to be an American with those prospects to look forward to. I hope it doesnt happen.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>But we&nbsp;have similar&nbsp;problems like this in the UK with immigrants working in Britain and sending half their salaries back to India or where ever and not re-investing the UK. And more similarly ex-pats living in Spain.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I am not saying the US is perfect either and i know there are problems there, unfortunately Brazil does tend to use the US as a kind of Blue Print for running a country at times but with a different 'corrupt' and highly buearucratical&nbsp;mindset.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>..</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 11 July 2012 at 19:00</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12405">pyth0n</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 16:34<br /><br />spongebob - Not trying to argue or anything, but I've seen you make several references to how the US gov. keeps tabs on it's citizen's living overseas. Just out of curiosity, what makes you say this?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 13:11<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><BR><BR><B>Espirit </B>- I don't exactly agree with your comment. There are tons of opportunities in Brazil. If Brazilians don't want to work, that's their deal. You can't possibly think that 90% of the country is poor?<BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Which comment Bob?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 12:58<br /><br /><br><div>Sponge</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><i>Are you saying that you think the levels of corruption in Brazil are equal to the levels of corruption in the US? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></i><br><br>No. There, but there is STILL a lot of political corruption in the US. To give an example: A congressman's home was raided and they found 100k in his refrigerator. He had been siphoning off money FOR YEARS. Nothing happened to him because they said that his due process had been violated. Even the head of the US Treasury got caught not paying some taxes, or something along those lines. All he gave was an apology and he didn't even lose his job.<br><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><i>Would you prefer that&nbsp;Brazil was Policing the world then.</i></div><div><i>&nbsp;</i></div><div><i>Are you being serious?<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></i><br><br>Of course not. That's why I'm happy to NOT be living in the US.<br><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><i>Edit - Instead of comparing i would just think along the lines that Brazil is like the USA's younger HillBilly step brother with cerebal palsy, Oh and who walks with a limp and has a glass eye. No offence to anyone with cerebal palsy, just making the comparison. </i></div><div>&nbsp;</div>It's really not the same. For one, Brazil doesn't bother you if you are Brazilian and move to a different country. Brazil doesn't police the world. Brazil doesn't bully other countries, etc...<br><br><b>Espirit </b>- I don't exactly agree with your comment. There are tons of opportunities in Brazil. If Brazilians don't want to work, that's their deal. You can't possibly think that 90% of the country is poor?<br><br><b>Frank </b>- I'm not talking about the lesser of two evils; just the reasons why I can't stand the US and why I prefer to stay in Brazil. There are not just two evils, there are many more.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 11:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR> <a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9f56e1f4-c783-11e1-a850-00144feab49a.html#axzz20GaZp3yi" target="_blank">Brazil: After the carnival</A>.&nbsp; <BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>There is nothing new here; nothing beyond what the keen observer already knows only too well regarding the shortcomings in Brazil, yet it is always painful when common knowledge is refreshed; when this scab is picked at. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Separate from things such as football and whatever else exists on the bottom of a scraped barrel that epitomises Brazil and evokes fanatical national fervor, such a list is sadly lacking cultural attributes ranging comprehensively from the minutia to the gargantuan issues that comprise a successful society. Brazil is akin to puppy dog excrement after it had rummaged a jewelry box and swallowed its contents; pockets of excellence in a hopelessly malodourous heap. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 10:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I like Brazil because the politicians just like to steal money. There's no conspiracies, nor do they try to feed conspiracies like the US does by withholding information, or sealing records for long periods of time. If anyone doubts whatever I'm saying, feel free to challenge it for yourself.<br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Sponge</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Are you saying that you think the levels of corruption in Brazil are equal to the levels of corruption in the US? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Would you prefer that&nbsp;Brazil was Policing the world then.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Are you being serious?<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Edit - Instead of comparing i would just think along the lines that Brazil is like the USA's younger HillBilly step brother with cerebal palsy, Oh and who walks with a limp and has a glass eye. No offence to anyone with cerebal palsy, just making the comparison. </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>If you have any doubts about what i am saying then just get on TAP flight from Brazil to Lisbon sometime, there'll be a nice concentrated gathering for you to observe for around&nbsp;9 hours or so..<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>..</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 11 July 2012 at 11:32</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 July 2012 at 08:36<br /><br /><br>A good read: <a href="http://blogs.ft.com/bey&#111;nd-brics/2012/07/09/brazil-the-baby-and-the-bathwater/#axzz20GaGGjvP" target="_blank">Brasil, the baby and the bath water</a><br><br>EDIT: Be sure to read the article the commentary above links to, <a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9f56e1f4-c783-11e1-a850-00144feab49a.html#axzz20GaZp3yi" target="_blank">Brazil: After the carnival</a>.&nbsp; If you get blocked, stating the article is for subscribers only, you can register with FT for free, allowing you to read several articles a month.<br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 11 July 2012 at 08:50</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 July 2012 at 20:21<br /><br />Yes the ideas of compare the lesser of two evils is always rediculous.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 July 2012 at 17:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>...I like Brazil because the politicians just like to steal money. There's no conspiracies, nor do they try to feed conspiracies like the US does by withholding information, or sealing records for long periods of time. If anyone doubts whatever I'm saying, feel free to challenge it for yourself.<BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Might I suggest that this aspect that you like about Brazil is actually obstructing countless millions of the Brazilian people and depriving them of a better life? Of course the Brazilian politician, just like his counterpart in the US, is empowered by the collective idiot; therefore when comparing the treacheries of both countries and focuses exclusively on the living standards of their peoples, one is forced to accept that the US has performed better and offers a better short to long term deal for the common man.&nbsp;</SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></SPAN><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 July 2012 at 14:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><br>The USD has many things going for it, most notable it's huge manufacturing base, which ensures it will always have a strong value in the world market no matter what happens and it has almost no borders where people can attack it, lots of resources, plenty of land and a&nbsp; good sized population.&nbsp; Those things pretty much ensure a good strong and stable currency.</td></tr></table><br><br>You might want to reconsider all the above, in relation to the age in which we now live; it could all change in approx. <a href="http://www.foundry.org/2012/07/06/storm-warning-the-gloomy-forecast-for-emps/" target="_blank">33 minutes</a>.&nbsp; I certainly hope not, but the realistic possibility nonetheless exists....<br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>And don't forget the rumor (I don't know if it's really a rumor) that Ghaddfi also wanted to move away from the dollar. All that GW Bush WMD.. yaddee yaa.. gimme a break. All of it, starting with 9-11 was an inside job to continue to dominate the oil market. They knew that if they didn't get it, the Chinese would.<br><br>In 2000, I was told to get the anthrax vaccine because there was ALREADY a planned troop build up in the middle east. Amazing how this little fact slipped the minds of thousands of veterans like me. I will never forget though.<br><br>No joke, take a look at ANY little conflict, assassination, invasion, whatever, and you can always find $$$ (financial) reasons behind it. Even Sudan is a great example. Look up how many <u><b>Chinese</b></u> workers were evacuated when fighting broke out. Haven't you ever wondered where the rebels' weapons came from. Take a wild guess!<br><br>The US has to be about the most underhanded country I can possibly think of. It's terrible that 9-11 happened, but when I started see BIG details left out of official reports, people being fired from their jobs for asking questions, or just railroading family members. If it really happened the way that the say, then why the shady behavior?<br><br>And who actually believes the Bin Laden thing? That has to be the biggest case of cinema-fabrications that I have ever seen in my life. What's worse is those boys who were part of a "training excercise". They killed some unnamed person around the same time. They were supposedly from the same Seal team that killed Bin Laden. Then a couple of days later, all of the the boys were killed when they were put into a slower moving helicopter that was shot down. Kinda makes you wonder...<br><br>And last but not least, the nukes that disappeared in 2008 in Louisiana. The majority of the people who had any involvement in this are all dead, 6-7 total. They all died from traffic accidents. Maybe one was a "suicide".&nbsp; This kind of thing is above and beyond the typical mortality statistics. Kinda makes you wonder...<br><br>I like Brazil because the politicians just like to steal money. There's no conspiracies, nor do they try to feed conspiracies like the US does by withholding information, or sealing records for long periods of time. If anyone doubts whatever I'm saying, feel free to challenge it for yourself.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 July 2012 at 09:32<br /><br /><br>Sort of off-topic, but the petrodollar certainly plays into the forex.&nbsp; This is for JK, and whoever else was still in diapers, or at best, sprouting their first pubic hair,<br>during the FIRST invasion of Iraq:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVZ945JR5g%20" target="_blank">The Petrodollar</a>&nbsp; (Part 1 of 4)&nbsp; Be sure to watch all four.&nbsp; Or at minimum, Parts 1&amp;4.<br><br>Some of the info might be a bit 'dated' (and prediction of the Euro's dominance, presently way off) but the overall premise is still spot on!<br><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />He was selling in whatever currency suited his needs.&nbsp; The Euro had just been created and he was selling over there.&nbsp; Makes sense he wanted that currency as well, but he would have probably taken any currency that was stable.&nbsp;&nbsp; Everyone has come up with a theory on why attack him.</td></tr></table><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 10 July 2012 at 09:42</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 July 2012 at 02:26<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />Historically, one has approx. three months to make their move, once the 'scare' (stampede) begins, be it inside, or outside factors.&nbsp; After that 90 day window, the rate will find (a new?) equilibrium.&nbsp; While the higher rate will provide momentary relief to those weary of this abysmal sub-2.0, it nonetheless provides an excellent opportunity for those ready to make large, even one-time purchases, like RE.&nbsp; Window opens.&nbsp; Window closes.</td></tr></table><br>Right, that is why I am watching this. But on my exploration here so far I get the sense that RE prices are rather inflated. It's hard to get anything nice on the coast for less that R$700,000. Is this just because I am in the São Paulo weekend tourism area?<br><br>In your opinion, where are RE prices right now? I have this bubble-itch feeling. In Florida, USA, it seems a lot more value for the buck is available right now.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>There are properties in littoral sao paulo that can be had for 500 k reais<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 22:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br /><br>&nbsp;But on my exploration here so far I get the sense that RE prices are rather inflated. It's hard to get anything nice on the coast for less that R$700,000. Is this just because I am in the São Paulo weekend tourism area?<br><br>In your opinion, where are RE prices right now? I have this bubble-itch feeling. In Florida, USA, it seems a lot more value for the buck is available right now.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>First, I think you (anyone) should ask <i>where</i> do you want to live, and <i>why.<br><br></i>Yes, Florida has some good buys now (but prices going up, especially in southern Fla).&nbsp; If you want to be embraced by Brasilian culture, then Miami might be a good option, considering all the Brasilians who've bought RE there in the past 2-3 years.<br><br>Inflated RE prices in Brasil....&nbsp; Definitely in Rio!&nbsp; Other regions too.&nbsp; Here in Floripa certainly, but nothing matches the insanity happening in Rio.&nbsp; Yet there are PLENTY of coastal areas in Brasil where bargains exist!&nbsp; But perhaps you won't be in the immediate vicinity of a metropolis like SP.&nbsp; Considering the <i>litoral</i> of Brasil is roughly equivalent to sum of the Atlantic, Gulf, and Pacific coasts of the US put together, then that's A LOT of coastline!&nbsp; Somewhere on here are some posts I made about a region south of Floripa, which I believe is a sleeping giant, in regards to development and RE prices.&nbsp; Hint, hint.... <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>The present high RE prices in Brasil is all the more reason to keep an active eye on the forex, and have liquid assets ready to move, preferably within a week's notice.&nbsp; That 700K house/apt you mention, at 1.55 (where the forex was in July of last year) would've cost you&nbsp; +/- 451K USDs.&nbsp; Should the rate merely go to 2.25 (which I think is quite possible in the next few months, if not even by the end of this month), then you'll only need to come up with +/- 311K.<br><br>That's quite a savings, and is a back-door approach to defeating the local inflated prices.&nbsp; But if/when that happens, this back door will only remain open for a brief period, and then local prices will be adjusted to compensate for the higher forex (which most likely would have fallen back to 'normal' levels).<br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 09 July 2012 at 22:36</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 21:29<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />Historically, one has approx. three months to make their move, once the 'scare' (stampede) begins, be it inside, or outside factors.&nbsp; After that 90 day window, the rate will find (a new?) equilibrium.&nbsp; While the higher rate will provide momentary relief to those weary of this abysmal sub-2.0, it nonetheless provides an excellent opportunity for those ready to make large, even one-time purchases, like RE.&nbsp; Window opens.&nbsp; Window closes.</td></tr></table><br>Right, that is why I am watching this. But on my exploration here so far I get the sense that RE prices are rather inflated. It's hard to get anything nice on the coast for less that R$700,000. Is this just because I am in the São Paulo weekend tourism area?<br><br>In your opinion, where are RE prices right now? I have this bubble-itch feeling. In Florida, USA, it seems a lot more value for the buck is available right now.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 16:18<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><br>The USD has many things going for it, most notable it's huge manufacturing base, which ensures it will always have a strong value in the world market no matter what happens and it has almost no borders where people can attack it, lots of resources, plenty of land and a&nbsp; good sized population.&nbsp; Those things pretty much ensure a good strong and stable currency.</td></tr></table><br><br>You might want to reconsider all the above, in relation to the age in which we now live; it could all change in approx. <a href="http://www.foundry.org/2012/07/06/storm-warning-the-gloomy-forecast-for-emps/" target="_blank">33 minutes</a>.&nbsp; I certainly hope not, but the realistic possibility nonetheless exists....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 15:17<br /><br />He was selling in whatever currency suited his needs.&nbsp; The Euro had just been created and he was selling over there.&nbsp; Makes sense he wanted that currency as well, but he would have probably taken any currency that was stable.&nbsp;&nbsp; Everyone has come up with a theory on why attack him.<br><br>You're acting like the USD has 2 years left, before it crumbles to nothingness, when it's more likely you'll be dead before it falls.&nbsp;&nbsp; You're doing the whole doom and gloom and adding up every negative aspect, then taking them to the extremes and then saying "woah, this looks bad".&nbsp; <br><br>The USD has many things going for it, most notable it's huge manufacturing base, which ensures it will always have a strong value in the world market no matter what hapepns and it has almost no borders where people can attack it, lots of resources, plenty of land and a&nbsp; good sized population.&nbsp;&nbsp; Those things pretty much ensure a good strong and stable currency.<br><br>If the world was falling to pieces, and people were terribly worried about currencies, they would be buying up gold and silver and other precious metals, yet they aren't.&nbsp; Gold made a good run for a couple of years.&nbsp; Now it follows the markets.&nbsp; Interest rates on treasury bonds is below inflation, yet people are gobbling them up.&nbsp; China said they wanted to buy them directly from the US.&nbsp; Europe is falling all to pieces and about to go mad max (we should see massive riots in the streets with these unemployment rates and no solution ever to be found), yet gold still holds the same value it's held for a couple of years now.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gold is following the market pretty closely now.&nbsp; Going up and down with the global news, not counter to it.&nbsp; Greece of Spain shows total disaster and yet gold falls with the rest of the market.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 14:52<br /><br /><br>Yes, but prior to onze de setembro, SH had officially begun to accept only Euros.&nbsp; Ever heard the phrase "nip it in the bud"?&nbsp; Simply google the key words "iraq petrodollars".&nbsp; Sufficient information there to refute your BS proclamation.<br><br>You speak as if the USD has been the reigning currency since the day after God rested from His creation of earth, when it reality, it's only been the past 60 years (and OPEC has existed for 52 years).&nbsp; Empires rise, peak, and decline (fall), as do their currencies.&nbsp; We've had this discussion numerous times before JK.&nbsp; I'm certainly not claiming the Real will be a global currency, merely stating the obvious:&nbsp; the USD's days as numero um are limited.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 09 July 2012 at 14:57</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 14:23<br /><br />Saddam had been selling nearly 2M barrels a day over the turkish border selling in whatever currency he wanted for nearly 15 years. &nbsp; Um... so I call BS on that front.&nbsp; Whatever the news sources say, he was selling in whatever currency he wanted.&nbsp; And he was selling illegally for 15 years.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>You can claim USD isn't going to be the global currency as much as you want, but when the US does over 20% of the worlds manufacturing, no country is going to look the other way on the USD.&nbsp; They're going to set their currency based off whatever makes them competitive against the USD.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think you're confusing countries willing to trade directly with each other (less worried about getting stuck with some useless currency) and the USD not being the dominate currency.&nbsp;&nbsp; People don't want Reals because where do you sell 10B reals on the open market?&nbsp; Where do you sell 10B in any other currency?&nbsp;&nbsp; If you're trading back and forth 5B each month, maybe you're willing to do 5B direct trades, but if one side suddenly started selling 20B, who is going to want an excess of 15B in some currency they can't get rid of?&nbsp; They build up a surplus of 60B and all of a sudden want to get rid of it, where do you go?&nbsp; What do you do?&nbsp; If that country all of a sudden does something stupid, you can't get rid of any of that money.<br><br>People hold USD because it's safe.&nbsp;&nbsp; People can trade directly smaller amounts, but they're not going to horde some other countries currency in "hopes" of trading it with one of their partners at a later date.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 14:01<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><div></div><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal=""><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">While I don’t weep any tears for Saddam, his madness or his little popgun army, I wouldn’t make any comparison with his situation and the undercurrent trend of avoiding the Dollar when conducting international trade. The Dollar’s days of dominance are numbered: <span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<a href="http://alainet.org/active/53873&amp;lang=es" target="_blank">http://alainet.org/active/53873&amp;lang=es</a></span><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table> <br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal="">No literal comparison, of course, but the facts are plainly evident, SH's desire to refuse payment for 'his' oil in USD was the underlying reason for the invasion of Iraq.&nbsp; WMDs was just a ruse.&nbsp; Should the world-at-large begin to reject the petro-dollar scheme, that will be the beginning of the end of the USD as the elite global currency.<br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal="">As the article you linked to states, China and Russia are now conducting commerce with each other, NOT using dollars, but AFIK, when one seeks to buy/sell oil, there's only ONE currency accepted (for now).<br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal="">I agree Esprit, the days of the USD's dominance are winding down.&nbsp; Yet take a look at <a href="http://www.dailyfx.com/forex/fundamental/forecast/weekly/usd/2012/07/07/US_Dollar_Ready_to_Rally_as_Stimulus_Hopes_Fade_Risk_Trends_Shudder.html" target="_blank">this forex forecast</a>, issued over the weekend, particularly this one sentence: "<i>To make the jump from sporadic and temporary rallies to a run with conviction, the market’s need to cater to the dollar’s primary strength: its role as an absolute last resort for safety and liquidity.</i>"</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal="">Old habits are hard to break.</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal=""><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal="">EDIT: Just caught this in the article you linked to Esprit...&nbsp; "<i><span style="font-size: 10pt;">U.S. has ceased to be the main customer of Saudi oil, now it is China, which imported 1.39 million barrels in February. They are about to begin the construction of a large joint refinery and trade between both countries is growing at galloping pace. It is likely that the discreet agreement between them contemplate oil payments in RMBs."</span></i></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal="">You see, it's already started....</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal="">(and China's way too big to mess with, like Iraq was)</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal=""><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" =ms&#111;normal=""><br><i><span style="font-size: 10pt;"></span></i></p><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 09 July 2012 at 14:22</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 13:52<br /><br />Woah, lets not get your dreams confused with reality.&nbsp; The USD is more of a global currency today than it ever was.&nbsp; Maybe the general population doesn't like it today, but it's definitely never been stronger either in the worlds eyes.&nbsp; <br><br>The smallest of mishaps and everyone runs to the USD, no matter where they are.&nbsp; That isn't a sign of "weakness" or "caving dominance" , 30 yr treasury yields are below inflation rates now, people are giving money to the US to hold it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yet right there in Brazil they're offered 9%.&nbsp;&nbsp; Other countries offer some nice interest rates, yet everyone keeps buying up the USD.&nbsp; <br><br>As for oil selling in other currencies, simply sell in USD and then hop on over to forex and exchange it.&nbsp; Presto mixed currency bag.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; With large sums of money, you're getting essentially the best rates possible.&nbsp; Super simple to create a basket of currencies... yet oddly... people don't want to do that..<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 11:02<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><SPAN ='st=""'><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN ='st=""'><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The questions may be: As the perfect storm gathers, is Brazil in a better domestic and or global position today relative to say, seven years ago? And dependent on that answer, where should be exchange rate be considering the weaknesses in Europe and the US? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></td></tr></table><BR><BR>IMO, Brasil is definitely in a better place now than seven years ago.&nbsp; Of course, I'm not privy to the books which account the wasteful spending (and graft) for the coming 2014 and 2016 hoopla.&nbsp; Yet Brasil's ace in the hole is Pre-sal.&nbsp; "Drill baby, drill!"<BR><BR>The dominance of the USD as the world's preferred currency is already in serious decline, but the Euro doesn't seem, presently, capable of taking it's place.&nbsp; Yet whatever 'perfect storm' develops, and creates havoc with the world's markets, will probably represent one of the last opportunities for expat gringos to trade their home currency, at a premium, for reais, and whatever hard assets those can purchase within Brasil....<BR><BR>Back to pre-sal... if Brasil was smart, she'd sell her black gold to the assorted global-financial powers in return for their various currencies, and buck the petro-dollar monopoly, thereby holding a more balanced basket of currency reserves, and perhaps not as subject to wild fluctuations in the forex.&nbsp; Yet Saddam Hussein tried this (dump the petro-dollar scheme), and we saw what happened to him and Iraq, didn't we?!?<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>While I don’t weep any tears for Saddam, his madness or his little popgun army, I wouldn’t make any comparison with his situation and the undercurrent trend of avoiding the Dollar when conducting international trade. The Dollar’s days of dominance are numbered: <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<a href="http://alainet.org/active/53873&amp;lang=es" target="_blank">http://alainet.org/active/53873&amp;lang=es</A></SPAN><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 10:27<br /><br /><div></div>Brasil is in a better place..Why has it moved <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><div>&nbsp;</div><div>And i always thought Brazil was Ideologically Twinned with Iraq..strange that. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 08:31<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">The questions may be: As the perfect storm gathers, is Brazil in a better domestic and or global position today relative to say, seven years ago? And dependent on that answer, where should be exchange rate be considering the weaknesses in Europe and the US? <o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>IMO, Brasil is definitely in a better place now than seven years ago.&nbsp; Of course, I'm not privy to the books which account the wasteful spending (and graft) for the coming 2014 and 2016 hoopla.&nbsp; Yet Brasil's ace in the hole is Pre-sal.&nbsp; "Drill baby, drill!"<br><br>The dominance of the USD as the world's preferred currency is already in serious decline, but the Euro doesn't seem, presently, capable of taking it's place.&nbsp; Yet whatever 'perfect storm' develops, and creates havoc with the world's markets, will probably represent one of the last opportunities for expat gringos to trade their home currency, at a premium, for reais, and whatever hard assets those can purchase within Brasil....<br><br>Back to pre-sal... if Brasil was smart, she'd sell her black gold to the assorted global-financial powers in return for their various currencies, and buck the petro-dollar monopoly, thereby holding a more balanced basket of currency reserves, and perhaps not as subject to wild fluctuations in the forex.&nbsp; Yet Saddam Hussein tried this (dump the petro-dollar scheme), and we saw what happened to him and Iraq, didn't we?!?<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 09 July 2012 at 09:06</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 July 2012 at 01:19<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Consider: Let’s take a snapshot of Brazil say, seven years or so ago. The exchange rate was around 2.30 and the interest rate around 20%? Of course, during the intervening years to date, there has been significant growth in the economy year on year and the credit worthiness, or credit rating agencies, have upgraded Brazil in line with these improvements. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The pattern of interest rate reduction together with exchange rate reduction has continued throughout this period when, until a few short months ago, the exchange rate dropped to 1.55. The scenario of interest rate versus exchange rate implies therefore that, as rates drop, so does the exchange rate. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Of course this doesn’t make sense nor does it explain the sudden increase in the exchange rate relative to further reductions in the interest rate. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Multiple factors adjust exchange rates including the elusive mood of confidence and the direction of the lemming stampede. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The questions may be: As the perfect storm gathers, is Brazil in a better domestic and or global position today relative to say, seven years ago? And dependent on that answer, where should be exchange rate be considering the weaknesses in Europe and the US? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 23:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Outside factors will move it quickly, but it will come bouncing right back once those "scares" are over.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Historically, one has approx. three months to make their move, once the 'scare' (stampede) begins, be it inside, or outside factors.&nbsp; After that 90 day window, the rate will find (a new?) equilibrium.&nbsp; While the higher rate will provide momentary relief to those weary of this abysmal sub-2.0, it nonetheless provides an excellent opportunity for those ready to make large, even one-time purchases, like RE.&nbsp; Window opens.&nbsp; Window closes.<br><br>IMO, the 'forex forecast' only takes into account the 'best case scenario'.&nbsp; Yet there are PLENTY of wild cards out there (more now, than ever) that can throw the entire game into a state of confusion.&nbsp; This is not a 'doom and gloom' prediction... merely the observance of actual multiple houses of cards stacked up to the point of total collapse.<br><br>Question is, which one will be first?&nbsp; Answer is, doesn't matter....<br><br><br>EDIT: Predictions are no different from forecasts.&nbsp; One can observe certain influences/phenomenon swirling about, and based on models, previous events/performance, etc, expect a certain result.&nbsp; There is obviously a 'perfect storm' forming economically, on a global scale.&nbsp; But will ALL the elements come together, at the same time?!?<br><br>The 'expected' result can often be wrong.&nbsp; Case in point: the people suffering from lack of power and high temps in the mid to north eastern portion of the US.&nbsp; NO ONE predicted (forecast), <i>nor</i> <i>planned for</i>, the total disruption that has occurred in the regions where the storm struck.&nbsp; There's a lesson there....<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 09 July 2012 at 00:05</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 23:10<br /><br />It's going to be pretty tightly tied into interest rates in Brazil and the economy in Brazil.&nbsp; Outside factors will move it quickly, but it will come bouncing right back once those "scares" are over. &nbsp; World economics play a roll in the currency, but the majority of it's price movement will come from internal policies.<br><br>If the interest rates are pushed down further, it could easily drop to 2.30 or 2.50.&nbsp;&nbsp; Interest rates used to be so much higher in Brazil than anywhere else in the world, but they're slowly coming down.&nbsp; Now the risk/reward is coming more in line with the credit worthiness of Brazil.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 23:01<br /><br />I just checked forex forecast, according to which BRL/USD would peak in Q3 2012, and not really lift off much beyond 2.10. So, what about those here who forecast in the 3s?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 19:06<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />You also might want read this piece from Matt Taibbi in RS mag.<br>This whole LIBOR scam came to light based on that investigation.<br><br>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-scam-wall-street-learned-from-the-mafia-20120620?link=mostpopular5<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Excellent article, thanks for the link!&nbsp; RS continues to surprise me with some of their no-holds-barred <span ="st">exposés.<br><br>Check this out:&nbsp; </span><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9384253/Barclays-to-ask-Diam&#111;nd-to-cut-pay-off.html" target="_blank">Barclays to ask Diamond to cut pay-off</a><br><br>"<i>Barclays’ board is to ask former chief executive Bob Diamond to give up at least part of a possible £17m pay-off to save the bank’s reputation from further damage.</i>"<br><br>Please Bob, give us back some of your 'hard-earned' millions, so we don't look so bad!&nbsp; Pretty please!!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 16:26<br /><br /><p>middle men always allow for the possibility of fraud on a grand scale</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 13:15<br /><br />You also might want to read this piece from Matt Taibbi in RS mag.<br>This whole LIBOR scam came to light based on that investigation.<br><br>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-scam-wall-street-learned-from-the-mafia-20120620?link=mostpopular5<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 12:50<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp; ....In a status report filed May 30, prosecutors said the United States was "<b>not aware that Barclays has committed any federal crime during the term" of the deferred prosecution agreement</b>.</td></tr></table><br><br>It's interesting to note that Elliot Spitzer, the host in the 'Lie-More' Contractions video I previously posted, was essentially the only state attorney general who sought prosecutions in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.&nbsp; Howevere, he was conveniently brought down by a sex scandal... hiring hookers.&nbsp; Yet all the while, Wall Street bank-sters were, <i>and still are</i>, screwing the ENTIRE NATION, even the world with impunity!<br><br>If ya haven't seen it yet, watch <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzrBurlJUNk" target="_blank">Inside Job</a>.&nbsp; Nothing has changed!<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 08 July 2012 at 19:11</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 12:33<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oV2mI0IYp8" target="_blank">LIBOR Contractions</a><br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Came across the following at it boggles the mind as to why the DOJ let Barclays off so easy. Now let me see could it be that the American political system is in bed with these bastards?<br><br>The highlighted portion is rich to say the least...!<br><br>&nbsp;A U.S. judge ordered Barclays Plc and the U.S. Justice Department on Thursday to explain if the bank's $453 million settlement of allegations it manipulated interest rates affects a 2010 settlement in a case involving alleged illegal dealings with banks in countries like Iran and&nbsp;Cuba.The 2010 deferred prosecution agreement specifies that Barclays could become "subject to prosecution for any federal crimes of which the United States has knowledge."&nbsp;....In a status report filed May 30, prosecutors said the United States was "<b>not aware that Barclays has committed any federal crime during the term" of the deferred prosecution agreement</b>.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 10:09<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">Because of the recent fuss about fraudulent setting of the LIBOR interest rate together with the massive punishment fines levied on Barclays Bank, the American CEO, Bob Diamond, resigned from his job. Get this: Had you invested one pound &#091;£1.00&#093; in Barclays at the time when Diamond joined the Board &#091;2005&#093; your pound today would be worth £0.29. Since joining Barclays Bob Diamond has been paid £119 million. WTF! Shine on you crazy diamond! <!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><br><br>Amazing.. add CEOs to the list of <b>do-not-trust</b>. That's why I don't "invest" in shares. 90% are terrible investments.<br><br>Ahh.. I can't WAIT to get started on my next project. I'm sending out one of my scouts this weekend to look for land. Last time I checked, the population keeps increasing and people have to eat, independent of whatever stupid moves the politicians make.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 09:41<br /><br /><div></div>Brazil is playing a dangerous game in my opinion. Everyone is borrowing on credit, houses, cars, everything it would seem. A classic bubble will form and wait for it to pop because the economy here is just too competitive, too many mouths to feed,&nbsp;its an all or nothing mentality which implies boom and bust.&nbsp; Unless interest rates continue to come down, but that will&nbsp;only encourage more borrowing. We saw this in the UK over the last 10 years, same thing, everyone living off credit.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>People who owe me money are borrowing to pay me back, when they should be trying to pay me with their profit margins.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 08:39<br /><br /><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oV2mI0IYp8" target="_blank">LIBOR Contractions</a><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 08:26<br /><br /><b>Don</b>, no, I meant "safados" mesmo, but I don't really know who it applies more to, the people for cheating on their taxes, or the government "knowing" that they cheated on their taxes and deliberately choosing that instead of the market rate.<br><br><b>GBOF </b>- the japs should have known better. This was a case where they "wanted" the Real to go higher, but they should have exercised caution. If you look at it from the BRL/USD perspective, it was hitting a classical double top, which happens to be one of the only chart patterns that I trust. <br><br>Some of the Japanese housewives are legends in the investment community. They sit at home and churn out millions are year in profit. Why they didn't see this is beyond me. My guess is that they came to Brazil wearing the "Brazil goggles" and everything looked peachy so they disregarded the very classical warning signs.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 July 2012 at 07:22<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>There is disarray in the markets at present while the global economic condition is being digested at glacial speed. Perhaps we are in the final stages of facing the realities of the global meltdown some four years after the initial shock; all of the rhetoric has been exhausted and the chickens are coming home to roost. The loss of multiple intangible trillions together with tangible trillions of debt is reaching understanding in the cold hard light of day; we’re screwed. The broad financial industry has preyed upon our most base instincts and we are complicit in this greed; where there are people we will find is sin and failing.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>China has become a victim of its own success and is about to have a hard landing. Europe is totally bolloxed, &#091;no news there&#093; while the UK is striking matches to hide its stinking economic predicament. The US continues to decline and the IMF is finally admitting that its forecast for global growth will be revised downwards. Brazil and its currency need careful stewardship during the coming years. Now what’s the chance of that happening, eh?&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" /></SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P></td></tr></table> <DIV>Lower yields, lower Real, Japanese Grandmas take back 60 Billion Reais out of Brazil in less than a year. Real goes to three to the dollar...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>07/07/2012 - 05h00 <BR>Fuga de capital japonês do Brasil chega a US$ 30 bi <BR>Publicidade<BR>SAMANTHA PEARSON<BR>DO "FINANCIAL TIMES" </DIV><DIV>Os investidores de varejo japoneses retiraram US$ 30 bilhões (R$ 60 bilhões) de capital do Brasil em menos de um ano, dadas as preocupações quanto à estagnação da segunda maior entre economias de mercado emergente. </DIV><DIV>Os investimentos denominados em reais dos fundos Toshin, um dos preferidos da "Sra. Watanabe", apelido do lendário investidor caseiro japonês, caíram em 29% desde o pico de US$ 102,9 bilhões, atingido em julho de 2011, informou o banco Nomura ao "Financial Times". </DIV><DIV>"O momento brasileiro dos fundos Toshin acabou", disse Tony Volpon, economista do Nomura, o maior banco de investimento japonês em receita. "O pico ficou para trás e agora só resta determinar onde a queda vai terminar." </DIV><DIV>Após atingir a mais alta cotação ante o dólar em 12 anos, em julho de 2011, o real se desvalorizou em 22%, movimento em parte causado pelos investidores caseiros japoneses, que tradicionalmente controlam os vastos recursos das famílias do país. </DIV><DIV>Atraídos pelas altas taxas de juros brasileiras, os investidores nos fundos Toshin elevaram a exposição ao país latino-americano de só US$ 6,9 bilhões no começo de 2009 a US$ 102,9 bilhões em julho do ano passado. </DIV><DIV>Esse total despencou, porém, a US$ 73,1 bilhões em maio --declínio de montante quase igual ao do PIB (Produto Interno Bruto) paraguaio. </DIV><DIV>Segundo os administradores de fundos, uma das razões para a fuga de capital do Brasil para mercados como Turquia e Austrália foi a redução no "spread" (diferença entre o custo de captação dos bancos e a taxa cobrada dos clientes) entre os juros brasileiros e os internacionais. </DIV><DIV>As autoridades econômicas brasileiras reduziram a taxa de juros de agosto de 2011 para cá, num esforço para reanimar a economia, que mal cresceu em três trimestres. Medidas de controle de capital resultaram em queda ainda maior dos retornos. </DIV><DIV>No Japão, os fundos Toshin também caíram, após as autoridades regulatórias adotarem medidas repressivas contra a "sobreposição cambial", causando migração para outros produtos, como fundos de investimento em imóveis nos EUA, disse Roberto Nishikawa, do Itaú Unibanco. </DIV><DIV>O tsunami de março de 2011 no Japão também resultou em maior aversão a riscos e encorajou maior investimento na economia do país. "Pelo menos um novo fundo de ações vem sendo criado a cada mês no Japão, dado o interesse geral em apoiar a reconstrução." </DIV><DIV>APELIDO </DIV><DIV>A "Mrs. Watanabe", ou "Senhora Watanabe", é uma dona de casa fictícia criada pelo mercado financeiro para simbolizar os investidores individuais japoneses, boa parte com idade acima de 50 anos e aposentada --daí "caseiros". </DIV><DIV>São eles que tradicionalmente controlam os investimentos familiares do país. </DIV><DIV>Tradução de PAULO MIGLIACCI </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 08 July 2012 at 07:23</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 18:22<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Because of the recent fuss about fraudulent setting of the LIBOR interest rate together with the massive punishment fines levied on Barclays Bank, the American CEO, Bob Diamond, resigned from his job. Get this: Had you invested one pound &#091;£1.00&#093; in Barclays at the time when Diamond joined the Board &#091;2005&#093; your pound today would be worth £0.29. Since joining Barclays Bob Diamond has been paid £119 million. WTF! Shine on you crazy diamond! <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 18:04<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN>The IMF</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ansi-: EN-GB; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-: EN-GB"> has cut its growth forecast for the US economy to 2% this year from an earlier estimate of 2.1%.</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ansi-: EN-GB; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-: EN-GB">The IMF warned of risks from the Eurozone debt crisis and uncertainties surrounding domestic policies with an election in November and the debt ceiling needing to be raised yet again in 2013.</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ansi-: EN-GB; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-: EN-GB">The number of long-term unemployed was unchanged at 5.4 million, with this category making up 41.9% of the unemployed. The number of people employed for fewer hours than they would be willing to work because of a scarcity of full-time employment was also unchanged at 8.2 million. </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The low number of jobs being created in the US economy is not sufficient to offset the rise in the US population and workforce. Most of the recorded US jobs growth was in professional and business services, with the Labor Department saying that employment in other major industries was little changed over the month and so the market will see this as increasing the possibility that QE3 is coming. It’s all good and nothing to cause concern. If you don’t have enough Dollars Ben will print some – would you like fries with that?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 17:22<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />You're confusing economic recovery with jobs recovery. Companies are making money hand over first right now.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>Oh, so <i>that's</i> what this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls" target="_blank">giant sucking sound</a> is I'm hearing....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 17:15<br /><br />You're confusing economic recovery with jobs recovery.<br><br>Companies are making money hand over first right now.&nbsp; Worst case, they're making less money hand over fist.&nbsp; Oh no.&nbsp; Terrible position to be in... instead of making masses of money, making slightly less masses of money...<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 17:09<br /><br /><br>So then, the US labor department released it's 'numbers' yesterday.&nbsp; Not good news....<br><br><i>The U.S. economy created just 80,000 new jobs during the month of June.  Normally, about 125,000 new jobs need to be created every month just to keep up with population growth.  So it is a bit odd that the official unemployment rate did not rise above 8.2%.  What is even more alarming is that the Social Security Administration is telling us that 85,000 U.S. workers "left the workforce" and enrolled in the Social Security Disability Insurance program during the month of June.  That means that the number of Americans enrolling in Social Security Disability actually exceeded the number of new jobs that was created.  That is definitely not a sign of recovery.<br><br></i><a href="http://theec&#111;nomiccollapseblog.com/archives/there-will-never-be-enough-jobs-in-america-again" target="_blank">LINK</a><i> </i>(Doom and gloom report)&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><br><br><a href="http://www.foxbusiness.com/ec&#111;nomy/2012/07/06/us-job-growth-dismal-in-june/" target="_blank">LINK</a> ('Fair and balanced' report)&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br><i><br></i>Also, this coming week, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/us-markets-global-weekahead-idUSBRE86601X20120707" target="_blank">second quarter earnings</a> will begin to be announced.&nbsp; It's anticipated to be equally dismal for most companies.<br><br>I think we might get back to 2.10 territory next week (USD:BRL), and perhaps even some 'revelations' coming out of Spain's banking system will throw a little fuel on the fire....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 07 July 2012 at 17:12</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6427">DonVito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 14:56<br /><br />Spongebob, I very possibly could be wrong, but I think you may mean sacanagems, not safados.  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 14:03<br /><br />sure espirit, I've heard of it. I think that's call something like imminent domain in the American ingrês. But that's "usually" done when it's for the good of the public. I don't really hear of too many cases when real estate is seized and auctioned when it's *legally* acquired.<br><br>haha greatballs.. I wouldn't doubt it. Safados!<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 14:03<br /><br />Actually, the US rewrites the fewest rules, and it's why people come running back to it at the drop of the hat.&nbsp; People know where they stand, and what a dollar is worth.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 11:31<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><B><BR>They all rewrite their own rules. </B>The US is the reigning king of "I-change-the-rules-in-the-middle-of-the-game". That's why my own rule is "good real estate is the best" - <B>don't trust</B> politicians or government, anywhere...<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Ever heard of a compulsory purchase order for the acquisition of land? The State has the ability to change or create powers; even the death penalty.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Up here on the island of Itaparica, the Gov plans to widen the existing two lane highway and put down a six lane freeway which would grab at least a hundred meters on each side of the road. Gov will pay only the venial value listed on the tax role so a $R 200,000 might get $R 20,000.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 10:47<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><B><BR>They all rewrite their own rules. </B>The US is the reigning king of "I-change-the-rules-in-the-middle-of-the-game". That's why my own rule is "good real estate is the best" - <B>don't trust</B> politicians or government, anywhere...<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Ever heard of a compulsory purchase order for the acquisition of land? The State has the ability to change or create powers; even the death penalty.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 July 2012 at 08:39<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><br>The only unknown in China, but they can rewrite their rules. <br></td></tr></table><br><b><br>They all rewrite their own rules. </b>The US is the reigning king of "I-change-the-rules-in-the-middle-of-the-game". That's why my own rule is "good real estate is the best" - <b>don't trust</b> politicians or government, anywhere.<br><br>Ahh.. and my favourite rule:<br>If it's on paper, it's going to be used at some point. They may say that they don't enforce whatever clause it may be. Yeah right, the only question is when.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 14:43<br /><br />Ai<div>&nbsp;</div><div>You have very pessimistic by correct view of things in my opinion.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 14:43<br /><br />Yeah that is what I would expect from you.<br><br>"What a solution that could happen! Say it's not so! Who will listen to my doom and gloom then!"<br><br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by jkennedy...Debt...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 14:39<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><BR><BR>...Debt repayment can be done without changing much...&nbsp; <BR></td></tr></table> <DIV><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Cry" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 14:34<br /><br />GDP has shown a growth rate of about 2% a year + population growth for the last 70 years. &nbsp; So, uh yeah, it's essentially just chugging along like it has for the last 70 years, regardless of what is going on.<br><br>Debt repayment can be done without changing much.&nbsp; You seem to be stuck on debt repayment, thinking this is some "rule" that can't change.&nbsp;&nbsp; NYT's had a good "balance the deficit" and get some repayment happening, it was super simple.&nbsp; It wasn't painful or anything!&nbsp; But alas, that doesn't fit with your thoughts on world melt down.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 14:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Cute, and without any numbers backing it up.<BR><BR>US is at it's most productive state ever, with the largest gdp it's ever had.&nbsp;&nbsp; Money is everywhere, it's sitting around doing very little.&nbsp; <BR><BR>Europe has 11% unemployement rate, that is hardly a melt down.&nbsp; <BR><BR>The only unknown in China, but they can rewrite their rules.&nbsp; You still seem to think they're stuck on this one path of a hard landing.&nbsp;&nbsp; They can simply rewrite their rules and fix that.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any hard landing they're heading for is due to their current rules.&nbsp;&nbsp; They can either fix their situation, or change the rules.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Of all the countries out there, china is the easiest to fix.<BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>As always you express the view of a contrarian optimist with a Walter Mitty complex.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp; The global economy cannot be resolved by a simple change in the ‘rules’. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Rule change #1 ‘Let’s all be happy and prosperous.’ And just a point in passing: GDP includes government spending and therefore part of this growth represents growth in debt. But hey, who’s worried about repaying debt! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wacko" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 14:17<br /><br />Europe has completely done its arse cheeks. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 13:59<br /><br />Cute, and without any numbers backing it up.<br><br>US is at it's most productive state ever, with the largest gdp it's ever had.&nbsp;&nbsp; Money is everywhere, it's sitting around doing very little.&nbsp; <br><br>Europe has 11% unemployement rate, that is hardly a melt down.&nbsp; <br><br>The only unknown in China, but they can rewrite their rules.&nbsp; You still seem to think they're stuck on this one path of a hard landing.&nbsp;&nbsp; They can simply rewrite their rules and fix that.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any hard landing they're heading for is due to their current rules.&nbsp;&nbsp; They can either fix their situation, or change the rules.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Of all the countries out there, china is the easiest to fix.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 13:01<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>There is disarray in the markets at present while the global economic condition is being digested at glacial speed. Perhaps we are in the final stages of facing the realities of the global meltdown some four years after the initial shock; all of the rhetoric has been exhausted and the chickens are coming home to roost. The loss of multiple intangible trillions together with tangible trillions of debt is reaching understanding in the cold hard light of day; we’re screwed. The broad financial industry has preyed upon our most base instincts and we are complicit in this greed; where there are people we will find is sin and failing.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>China has become a victim of its own success and is about to have a hard landing. Europe is totally bolloxed, &#091;no news there&#093; while the UK is striking matches to hide its stinking economic predicament. The US continues to decline and the IMF is finally admitting that its forecast for global growth will be revised downwards. Brazil and its currency need careful stewardship during the coming years. Now what’s the chance of that happening, eh?&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" /></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12405">pyth0n</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 12:43<br /><br />I think there are people making a lot of money off the artificial fluctuations of the reas, especially vs. USD.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 July 2012 at 12:06<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />My bet is that it's a temporary move up in order to go lower.<br><br>The key is to listen to the media. If they act like it's all clear in EuroLand, look out below.If the fear continues, then it will probably go higher. <br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>looky looky at what happened. As I had thought, that was a huge fake. The ECB didn't help any lowering the interest rate. That's for sure. Imagine if you had bought Reais or Euros last Friday?<br><br>We're now back at 2.03 on the Real.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 14:16<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><div></div><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">Bob, Bob you’re doing my head in! You believe that you’re paying 80% in taxes yet you want to disengage from Uncle Sam and get locked into an 80% tax regime???? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wacko" /><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></td></tr></table><br><br>my reasons for not wanting to be affililated with uncle sam is not due to taxes. It's about never-ending wars, foreign policy, control over citizens who leave, etc..<br><br>amazing isn't with the BOE? They're doing the same as the US did a couple of years ago. Seems like when 1 country starts acting recklessly, they all start doing it. Competitive devalulation, I say it is. I just wonder when Brazil is going to "seriously" join the party.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 13:56<br /><br />Realistically, if the government lowered taxes, people would just consume more from other countries.&nbsp; Why buy Brazilian when you can better quality elsewhere?<br><br>As far as just general blanket taxes, the government probably needs those and changing them would have little impact.&nbsp; People are used to paying $x for an item, if it suddenly drops 2% no one will notice, because whatever happens, the stores aren't going to drop their prices 20%, they'll just take more.&nbsp; <br><br>The system has been ingrained into the culture for far too long, the system is: high taxes + inflation + pay increases is a way to increase taxes.&nbsp; <br><br>If they changed the tax system, people wouldn't take home more, they would simply make less to account for the lower cost of living.&nbsp; <br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 13:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;' lang="EN-US">The Bank of England has just set the printing presses working 24/7 sending another £50 billion into the economy &#091;buying government new debt&#093;. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span>The base interest rate will be maintained at 0.5%. </span></span><span style='color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;' lang="EN-US">Without an increase in QE, &#091;quantitative easing – printing&#093; the Bank said there was a danger that inflation would fall below its target rate of 2%. !!!! A danger of less inflation!!! Oh sure, we can’t have savers profiting from their prudence. We can’t have those old people on fixed incomes eating regularly. Oh no, we must have inflation to dilute the debts. STUPID BASTARDS! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /></span><span><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif"; font-size: 12pt;' lang="EN-US"><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Why should they eat the banker think that " Old folks" and the rest of us working stiffs are only here to help sustain their greed and lack of shame.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 13:38<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The Bank of England has just set the printing presses working 24/7 sending another £50 billion into the economy &#091;buying government new debt&#093;. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>The base interest rate will be maintained at 0.5%. </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Without an increase in QE, &#091;quantitative easing – printing&#093; the Bank said there was a danger that inflation would fall below its target rate of 2%. !!!! A danger of less inflation!!! Oh sure, we can’t have savers profiting from their prudence. We can’t have those old people on fixed incomes eating regularly. Oh no, we must have inflation to dilute the debts. STUPID BASTARDS! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /></SPAN><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 12:50<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonVito</strong></em><br /><br />Spongebob, You'd think/hope that the government would get the message that "Hey, if we lower taxes, people will buy more cars." They could make at least some of it back up on the front side. (tax the manufacturers A LITTLE more) and hide the taxes. Never mind the fact that they're getting more revenue from the increased auto sales. Rather than being right in the consumer's face, saying "If you buy this car, you have to give us money in taxes", along with the taxes the manufacturer pays, with that cost is passed on in the price. The income tax rates are 11% and 27%. But I wonder what the actual tax rate is when you factor in all the taxes that you pay for everything, especially when you buy consumer goods. Yeah, I know this is a little off topic, bue it seemed to go with your post. ;)</td></tr></table><BR><BR>I did a calculation, don't know if it's actually right. But he total tax came in at some absurd rate of something like 80% (for someone with my consumption habits). Maybe someone else has done this too. I'd be curious to hear their calculations.<BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Bob, Bob you’re doing my head in! You believe that you’re paying 80% in taxes yet you want to disengage from Uncle Sam and get locked into an 80% tax regime???? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wacko" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 12:42<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonVito</strong></em><br /><br />Spongebob,  You'd think/hope that the government would get the message that "Hey, if we lower taxes, people will buy more cars."  They could make at least some of it back up on the front side. (tax the manufacturers A LITTLE more) and hide the taxes.  Never mind the fact that they're getting more revenue from the increased auto sales.  Rather than being right in the consumer's face, saying "If you buy this car, you have to give us money in taxes", along with the taxes the manufacturer pays, with that cost is passed on in the price.  The income tax rates are 11% and 27%.  But I wonder what the actual tax rate is when you factor in all the taxes that you pay for everything, especially when you buy consumer goods.  Yeah, I know this is a little off topic, bue it seemed to go with your post.  ;)</td></tr></table><br><br>I did a calculation, don't know if it's actually right. But he total tax came in at some absurd rate of something like 80% (for someone with my consumption habits). Maybe someone else has done this too. I'd be curious to hear their calculations.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 11:58<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>An economy based on consumption via borrowing; don’t we know a song about that? Lower interest rates to increase inflation which, in turn, dilutes debt thus making it possible to borrow more; ah, the poetry of Krugman economics.&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley26.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Pinch" /></SPAN><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6427">DonVito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 11:23<br /><br />Spongebob,  You'd think/hope that the government would get the message that "Hey, if we lower taxes, people will buy more cars."  They could make at least some of it back up on the front side. (tax the manufacturers A LITTLE more) and hide the taxes.  Never mind the fact that they're getting more revenue from the increased auto sales.  Rather than being right in the consumer's face, saying "If you buy this car, you have to give us money in taxes", along with the taxes the manufacturer pays, with that cost is passed on in the price.  The income tax rates are 11% and 27%.  But I wonder what the actual tax rate is when you factor in all the taxes that you pay for everything, especially when you buy consumer goods.  Yeah, I know this is a little off topic, bue it seemed to go with your post.  ;)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 10:45<br /><br />bye bye reduced IPI on vehicles. New car sales were almost 11% better than expected. Came in around 22%.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 05 July 2012 at 08:49<br /><br />wow.. <b>0%</b> interest rate in europe, here we come! Just lowered it to ,75%. Maybe Brazil will have to do it very soon again too....<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 July 2012 at 06:52<br /><br />I trade forex. Yeah I have two orders in that probably won't get filled. Shopping, beers, pool all good options today.  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 04 July 2012 at 06:40<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by tbird</strong></em><br /><br />I see that I'm not the only day trader around here. That's cool. <br> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /></td></tr></table><br><br>Do you trade forex or futures? Today is &#091;probably&#093; going to suck because it's July 4th and US markets are closed.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 July 2012 at 18:44<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Grads</strong></em><br /><br />LIBOR</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Scandal, corruption, resignation, investigation, jail-time?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Don’t be silly! So business as usual then.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 July 2012 at 18:38<br /><br />LIBOR]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 July 2012 at 17:35<br /><br />It would appear so.I myself have looked into the profitability of forex market, but it is bit to volatile for me.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by frank4000 - 03 July 2012 at 17:43</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=12230">tbird</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 July 2012 at 15:08<br /><br />I see that I'm not the only day trader around here. That's cool. <br /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by tbird - 03 July 2012 at 15:11</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 July 2012 at 10:59<br /><br />industrial production came in at -4,3%. Forecasted was -3.3%. Hopefully we'll see some more discounts in the near future.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 19:34<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Don't tell me that 180.000 contracts on the market had no effect, and they even telegraphed their intent the day before ( the CB). just imagine if they did it without announcing it.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>yeah, you got a point. They probably loaded up, and told all of their cronies to loan up. Technically in the FX market, trading on insider information is perfectly legal. I don't &#091;usually&#093; check futures contract data because I think it just pertains to the heavily regulated US exchanges. I would think that FOREX Interbank data would provide a more well-rounded picture...<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />Sponge, in the short term, the CB can and will knock your lights out whether you are short or long.</td></tr></table><br><br>The only time I've been burned is when I held on. So I DON'T DO IT. Just an example from last week, I traded every day with zero losses. It's almost always like that when I do it. Doing this stuff is like being an alligator hunter in Louisiana or sticking your hand on the burner and turning it on. If you keep it there for too long, you're going to get burned.<br><br>Even unleveraged - people don't realise how a small change can afffect portfolio value. Those Japanese housewive's must have lost a ton of money buying Reais at R$ 1,65. Maybe it goes back to that level, maybe not.<br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 02 July 2012 at 19:36</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 19:21<br /><br />here you are gentlemen. What I said: <br><br><img src="http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l581/ac35155/almosthitpt.jpg" border="0" /><br><br>I missed the morning session. I don't like to do this sort of thing because I feel like it's gambling. But I used so little money just to show you guys. There was a reason why I had a strong hunch that price would move lower. This last "hiccup" before hitting the profit target is quite common as well. But the hunch still remains, price will be lower (soon) than that dotted line on the bottom. <br><br>I don't like these trades because if news comes out, the probabilities drop to 50% or LESS. I have some other trades that are much higher probability.<br><br>Too bad the real isn't AS actively traded.......<br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 02 July 2012 at 19:25</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 15:49<br /><br />&amp; I'll say it again. Dunga criticised me for it, but here goes:<br><br>The Euro and the Real are different, but almost everything is "any currency"&nbsp; -versus- the US Dollar. The main&nbsp; directional moves tend to be the same whether it's Real, Pound, etc... <br><br>Whoever said things are a yo-yo. That really depends on your time frame. The Real had been going up rather steadily since the end of 2003. I think 9 years is a pretty long time.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 15:39<br /><br />I'm back. The euro is going to touch 1,2572. I'll send you the chart whenever it does.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 14:17<br /><br />Sponge, in the short term, the CB can and will knock your lights out whether you are short or long.<br><br>Don't tell me that 180.000 contracts on the market had no effect, and they even telegraphed their intent the day before ( the CB). just imagine if they did it without announcing it.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 14:01<br /><br />puts calls derivatives who the hell know what's going on. The market behaves like a yoyo and then someone tries to sound savvy by trying to explain wtf occured.<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Nuts!!!!!</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 13:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I'm going to go out on a limb and predict by the EOM, we'll be at 2.25&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br></td></tr></table> <div></div><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">I was thinking by the end of the day, not the end of the month. Hmm. So you’re obviously anticipating a fundamental risk event; Germany invades Greece or Sarah Palin’s moose gun confiscated in connection with Obama assassination plot. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></td></tr></table><br><br>Not if fat man Tombini has his way....<br><br>http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120702-706157.html<br><p>  To counter the weakening of its currency, Brazil's central bank has been stepping up intervention in the market, holding auctions to put more dollars in the market. Last week the bank held three swap auctions, selling the equivalent of $9 billion in contracts. </p><p>  Although $3 billion of those were to replace expiring contracts, the rest was new money, serving to some analysts as "a clear signal" that the government will prevent any weakening of the real beyond the level of BRL2.10 to the dollar, which it touched last week. </p></td></tr></table><br><br>Clear nonsense. The Brazilian Central bank knows that they can't truly prevent anything, either an increase or decrease. The market will win every time. Look at things in 95, 98, 03, 08, 10....<br><br>Gringo.Floripa, you could always buy the futures contact! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /> <br>I have to really resist gambling urges sometimes.&nbsp; Like now, I'm going out, but the Euro is at 1,25883. I bet it will end up around 1,25700. I could take a small position. Is it worth it? Naahhh.. even if I'm right, it's a break in discipline.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 11:56<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>So you’re obviously anticipating a fundamental risk event</SPAN></SPAN></td></tr></table><BR><BR>Take your pick:&nbsp; <a href="http://implode-explode.com/news.html" target="_blank">Implode-Explode</A><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Bloody hell! This must be how Moses saw it when he came down from the mountain. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Warning: After Obama starts his second term, under no circumstances should the fan be switched on. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 11:41<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">So you’re obviously anticipating a fundamental risk event</span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>Take your pick:&nbsp; <a href="http://implode-explode.com/news.html" target="_blank">Implode-Explode</a><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 11:21<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I'm going to go out on a limb and predict by the EOM, we'll be at 2.25&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br></td></tr></table> <div></div><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">I was thinking by the end of the day, not the end of the month. Hmm. So you’re obviously anticipating a fundamental risk event; Germany invades Greece or Sarah Palin’s moose gun confiscated in connection with Obama assassination plot. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></td></tr></table><br><br>Not if fat man Tombini has his way....<br><br>http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120702-706157.html<br><p>  To counter the weakening of its currency, Brazil's central bank has been stepping up intervention in the market, holding auctions to put more dollars in the market. Last week the bank held three swap auctions, selling the equivalent of $9 billion in contracts. </p><p>  Although $3 billion of those were to replace expiring contracts, the rest was new money, serving to some analysts as "a clear signal" that the government will prevent any weakening of the real beyond the level of BRL2.10 to the dollar, which it touched last week. </p><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 11:19<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>I'm going to go out on a limb and predict by the EOM, we'll be at 2.25&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>I was thinking by the end of the day, not the end of the month. Hmm. So you’re obviously anticipating a fundamental risk event; Germany invades Greece or Sarah Palin’s moose gun confiscated in connection with Obama assassination plot. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 11:04<br /><br /><br>I'm going to go out on a limb and predict by the EOM, we'll be at 2.25&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 July 2012 at 10:58<br /><br />We're in the 1.90s. Predictions as to how close we'll be to 1.95 by close of business?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 July 2012 at 12:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><h1 ="article-title"=""><font size="3"></font><a href="http://www.dailyfx.com/forex/fundamental/forecast/weekly/usd/2012/06/30/US_Dollar_History_Shows_High_Risk_of_Reversal_&#111;n_Post-Summit_Plunge.html" target="_blank">US Dollar History Shows High Risk of Reversal on Post-Summit Plunge</a></h1><p><br></p></td></tr></table><br><br>I remember the day that they said, and I said that ^^^ above. That move was retraced more than 100%. I can't say that it didn't totally come out of nowhere, but the move on Friday did.... it started when everyone was asleep and then continued for the rest of the morning.<br><br>The "trick" is going to be seeing how people react to it. Only time will tell....<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 July 2012 at 12:24<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><H1 ="article-title"><FONT size=3></FONT><a href="http://www.dailyfx.com/forex/fundamental/forecast/weekly/usd/2012/06/30/US_Dollar_History_Shows_High_Risk_of_Reversal_&#111;n_Post-Summit_Plunge.html" target="_blank">US Dollar History Shows High Risk of Reversal on Post-Summit Plunge</A></H1><P><BR></P></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =gsstx10><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: #404040; FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt" lang=EN-US>“Yet even the purest of market technicians would agree that the coming week of fundamental event risk could make or break USDOLLAR price action through the foreseeable future.”<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =gsstx10><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: #404040; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>A fundamental event risk? You mean like having your mother-in-law put her tongue in your mouth or have a follow-through fart? Let us agree that currency exchange rates can be nonsensical when left to the traders.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 July 2012 at 11:47<br /><br /><h1 ="article-title"><font size="3"></font><a href="http://www.dailyfx.com/forex/fundamental/forecast/weekly/usd/2012/06/30/US_Dollar_History_Shows_High_Risk_of_Reversal_&#111;n_Post-Summit_Plunge.html" target="_blank">US Dollar History Shows High Risk of Reversal on Post-Summit Plunge</a></h1><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 30 June  2012 at 06:53<br /><br />Since the markets are counter-intertuitive, I'm not even paying attention to daily charts now. I'm waiting to hear people moan and groan that the Real is going to get really strong again. Then it will do the opposite.<br><br>I think it was Dunga that told me I was crazy because Real and Euro are not the same. They aren't, but the directional moves are usually the same. <u><b>Really, it's everything AGAINST the US Dollar</b></u>. <br><br>Espirit, that 6th largest economy thing has gone to the Brazilians' heads.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 22:19<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />My bet is that it's a temporary move up in order to go lower.<BR><BR>The key is to listen to the media. If they act like it's all clear in EuroLand, look out below.If the fear continues, then it will probably go higher. <BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Bob, in the name of sanity, the chatter coming out of this last European summit is just a distraction drawn with teaser technicalities; the unsustainable economic problems persist and remain absolutely unaltered. The market reaction today is simply a knee jerk response to all the pent up need for movement. The markets need movement up or down. Any excuse will activate the city’s barrow boys and their lust for gold dust and it doesn’t matter which direction taken because positions &#091;bets&#093; are taken not only hoping for gains but also for losses; it’s all a corrupt and dysfunctional circus during these times.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Next week the markets will realise that Brazil won’t be exporting any more or less to Europe because of the summit. China won’t be buying greater volumes of Brazilian commodities nor will the US in contracting economies. Now what does this mean for the Brazilian currency? Who the hell knows other than to say this: Brazil enjoys one of the strongest financial positions in its ranking as the 6<SUP>th</SUP> largest economy, yet that may not be saying much in these troubled times. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Maybe Monday will break through and test the 1.90s but it shouldn’t go in too deep. After that…&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wacko" /></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 21:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />My bet is that it's a temporary move up in order to go lower.</td></tr></table><br><br>I'm with ya on that one SB!&nbsp; You're the chart guy, but when I look at the graph of the one year spread of USD:BRL, I don't think we've yet seen the peak of this present rise.&nbsp; In fact, I'm gonna go with GBoF's prediction that we <i>will</i> see 3.0, sometime in 2012....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 18:48<br /><br />My bet is that it's a temporary move up in order to go lower.<br><br>The key is to listen to the media. If they act like it's all clear in EuroLand, look out below.If the fear continues, then it will probably go higher. <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 17:09<br /><br />2 for 1 is fine <span id="result_" ="short_text" lang="pt"><span ="hps">caras! stop being bloody greedy! I'm super happy if it stays around where it is at the moment.<br><br></span></span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5731">hpeak13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 16:54<br /><br />drop drop drop....come on real!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 16:48<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Get your dollars in while it’s still two for the price one…<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley26.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Pinch" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 14:00<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">2.01 and falling...<o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">Where's the emoticon for nausea?!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Dead" /><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">EDIT:&nbsp; Meh... the market was up today, so dollar always falls in market upswings.&nbsp; What goes up, must come down (and vice-versa).&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /> <br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><br></p><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 29 June  2012 at 16:39</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 12:47<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />In the US all banks pay into the fund which ensures the deposits are guaranteed. &nbsp; <BR><BR>The system can be tweaked, however, most people hold 2 things as holly, money is money and how they treat it is the way the government should try it, and that governments don't fail, they might be crappy but don't fail.<BR><BR>This overcomes essentially both of those, and now lets the government move onto other measures to protect itself, without breaking the publics perception of money or their governments.&nbsp; <BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>All the more pity then that the US financial system didn’t have a ‘fund’ to underwrite the catastrophic collapse it inflicted on the world; the US is full of it! Tweaks, indeed! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ouch" /></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 12:43<br /><br />OK girls, party is over, for the 2.10 mark.<br>Probably see 1.90+- before anything close to 2.10 in the near future<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 12:39<br /><br />In the US all banks pay into the fund which ensures the deposits are guaranteed. &nbsp; <br><br>The system can be tweaked, however, most people hold 2 things as holly, money is money and how they treat it is the way the government should try it, and that governments don't fail, they might be crappy but don't fail.<br><br>This overcomes essentially both of those, and now lets the government move onto other measures to protect itself, without breaking the publics perception of money or their governments.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 12:28<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Banks can go belly up, that isn't seen as a problem by the public.&nbsp; So that is a good work around.&nbsp; A rule change, that keeps things going.&nbsp; If banks go under, then investors lose out.<BR></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Not a problem! What about confidence in the banking system without which nothing functions?<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>What about bank deposit guarantees underwritten by the governments &#091;taxpayers&#093;?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 12:24<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />The so called good news is a start in the change in how the government will do business over there.&nbsp; The policy changes that everyone said were necessary. &nbsp; <BR><BR>You get very confused over how you personally must deal with money and how money is part of a policy of a country.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes if the US was you, it could never pay back the money.&nbsp; However, since the US is a government and money is part of it system, they can tweak the system so it's in their advantage.&nbsp; Money is nothing more than a way for the public to trade services easily.&nbsp;&nbsp; In the event they need a new law, they create it.&nbsp; In the event that the government can't create necessary services and/or keep money moving correctly to make it easy to exchange services, they change it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The US still has the best track record in the world, the largest user base and the largest manufacturing base to support it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even a tweak won't do anything terrible to it.&nbsp; <BR><BR>You are correct, if you have a debt, you must pay it back.&nbsp; We can all agree on that.<BR><BR></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>There has been no change regarding how governments will do business over there. There have been no policy changes made; least the ones ‘everyone’ said that were necessary &#091;?&#093;. Stop watching the Disney Channel. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="T&#111;ngue" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>And yes, I agree with you; the US government can never repay its debts and will continue to tweak the system. Frankly, given your financial and fiscal theories, I question the reason why the IRS exists at all. All they have to do is just tweak &#091;read, jack&#093; off the problem.&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 12:16<br /><br />Banks can go belly up, that isn't seen as a problem by the public.&nbsp; So that is a good work around.&nbsp; A rule change, that keeps things going.&nbsp; If banks go under, then investors lose out.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 12:04<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>One has to chuckle… All the markets have bounced up on the latest, greatest innovation coming out of the European summit: Europe will bailout banks directly rather than give the money to the individual governments which would, in turn, bailout its banks. This of course means that governments won’t see their sovereign debt rise and will be seen as less risky and therefore be able to borrow again more cheaply. Of course any money lent to banks is now at a substantially greater risk of not being paid back but that’s okay because whilst a bank can default and go bust, a country within the EU cannot. Yippee, the Euro zone has been saved for another month or so! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley22.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Stern%20Smile" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 11:56<br /><br />The so called good news is a start in the change in how the government will do business over there.&nbsp; The policy changes that everyone said were necessary. &nbsp; <br><br>You get very confused over how you personally must deal with money and how money is part of a policy of a country.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yes if the US was you, it could never pay back the money.&nbsp; However, since the US is a government and money is part of it system, they can tweak the system so it's in their advantage.&nbsp; Money is nothing more than a way for the public to trade services easily.&nbsp;&nbsp; In the event they need a new law, they create it.&nbsp; In the event that the government can't create necessary services and/or keep money moving correctly to make it easy to exchange services, they change it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The US still has the best track record in the world, the largest user base and the largest manufacturing base to support it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even a tweak won't do anything terrible to it.&nbsp; <br><br>You are correct, if you have a debt, you must pay it back.&nbsp; We can all agree on that.<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 11:25<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>2.01 and falling...<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 11:24<br /><br />Hmm.. ok.. so that's why everything shot up. Amazing how European interest rates affect <b>EVERY other</b> freakin currency. I think this is even more of a reason why you can't listen to prevailing "wisdom". The wisdom I'm talking about is that currencies go up when rates rise and on positive data from fundamental announcements. <br><br>With that logic, the Euro should have been toast, and dragging all of the other currencies along with it. Instead, they lower the rates and&nbsp; it rockets up.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 11:10<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The so-called good news coming out of the European summit has dropped the rate to 2.03.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="T&#111;ngue" /><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 10:17<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />The brazilian economy makes the most difference to the currency.&nbsp; Interest is probably one of the leading reasons.&nbsp; While the currency might offer some very attractive returns, it's not as high as it once was.&nbsp; Spain is now in the 7% range, other countries are getting up there, and if Brazil drops it's rate to 8% or 7%, that will put it into a whole different light.<BR><BR>High inflation, and high interest rates require companies to grow quickly, make money fast and for profits to be huge to overcome major issues.&nbsp; You can't borrow at 12% for your companies growth, if your profit margins are 10%.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>EU/US debt problems require nothing more than a change in policies and doing business.&nbsp; They still produce, they still have lots of people employed, they still have low inflation, plenty of people willing to lend to them, and huge manufacturing economies.&nbsp;&nbsp; People aren't going to black list them if they change their policies, where as a small economy might be black listed by international investors.<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>In the first instance one mustn’t confuse central bank interest rates with yield rates for the sale of sovereign debt such as that currently demanded in the case of Spain or any of the other ‘Club Med’ collection of losers and deadbeats. In reality the major proportion of such bond sales are being taken up by the European Central Bank schemes with their Ponzi money. Private investors have long memories and therefore have perfect recollection of the very recent ‘haircut’ of up to 70% on Greek sovereign debt. Nobody is willing to lend money to these desperate and delusional politicians. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>It should be the highlight of every thought that, unlike the United States where quantitative easing &#091;printing money&#093; and increasing debts that cannot ever be made good is their only survival mechanism, however the European Union cannot simply print more and more Euros to cover their expanding debt burden; such fraudulent luxury will always be in the hands of those whose currency is the global benchmark. Investors in American sovereign debt do so in the knowledge that while they are getting negative returns, they feel that at least they will still have their dollars at the end of the day; the safe risk haven that is the Dollar’s only dubious strength in this current currency war.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN ="st"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Finally, to suggest that EU/US debt problems require nothing more than a change in policies, might I suggest that you offer this gem of insight to these respective governments that are, in the case of Europe, currently conducting their 20<SUP>th</SUP> summit meeting in an attempt to resolve their problems or, in the case of the US, their 4<SUP>th</SUP> or 5<SUP>th</SUP> President. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></SPAN></P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Esprit - 29 June  2012 at 10:18</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 08:48<br /><br />The real strengthened against the dollar at end of day yesterday because the CB announced a dollar swap of 60.000 contracts to take place today.<br><br>So much for the weak currency that is parroted by the Brazilian talking heads such as Mantega. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 08:20<br /><br />I don't know what the exchange rate is now, but all of the major pairs are UP against the dollar. This is the 2nd "night" in a row that this has happened: a big move before the European markets even open. Well, if anyone was <b>short</b>, they gotta be hatin' life right about now. Blah.. I still think the long-term picture has changed, especially in the case of Brazil.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 01:41<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Interest is probably one of the leading reasons.&nbsp; While the currency might offer some very attractive returns, it's not as high as it once was.</td></tr></table><br><b><br>Less than 10 years ago, it was over 25%!&nbsp; Can you f-kn imagine?!?</b>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Cry" /><br><br><img src="http://i46.tinypic.com/250mo2q.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br><b>Now take a look at 1999... over 40%!&nbsp; Viva Las Vegas!!!&nbsp; Gives new meaning to the lyrics "Gonna party like it's nineteen ninety-nine"....</b>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><br><img src="http://i49.tinypic.com/2i116q8.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 29 June  2012 at 01:43</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 00:45<br /><br />The brazilian economy makes the most difference to the currency.&nbsp; Interest is probably one of the leading reasons.&nbsp; While the currency might offer some very attractive returns, it's not as high as it once was.&nbsp; Spain is now in the 7% range, other countries are getting up there, and if Brazil drops it's rate to 8% or 7%, that will put it into a whole different light.<br><br>High inflation, and high interest rates require companies to grow quickly, make money fast and for profits to be huge to overcome major issues.&nbsp; You can't borrow at 12% for your companies growth, if your profit margins are 10%.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>EU/US debt problems require nothing more than a change in policies and doing business.&nbsp; They still produce, they still have lots of people employed, they still have low inflation, plenty of people willing to lend to them, and huge manufacturing economies.&nbsp;&nbsp; People aren't going to black list them if they change their policies, where as a small economy might be black listed by international investors.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 00:31<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Surely the bubble will pop sooner rather than later? </span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>Be it a popping bubble of growth (in virtually all the BRICS), or a bursting dam of debt (EU/EUA), it seems to be all coming to a head simultaneously, doesn't it?&nbsp; Do we perhaps have a 'perfect storm' forming?!?<br><br>Batten down the hatches!&nbsp; Boris is laughing now, having stockpiled cases of scotch and toilet paper....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 29 June  2012 at 00:15<br /><br /><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA" lang=EN-US>No doubt that the Brazilian interest rate matters in context however, given the current rate when compared to any other alternative haven; it’s still one of the best deals in town. No, I believe that the Real’s problem has a lot to do with the European economy’s woes together with the rest of the world’s slowdown combined with an exhausted Brazilian economic plan, credit problems and a ‘tapped out’ middleclass. I strongly suspect that Brazil is rapidly approaching or is already in recession. The problem? The high cost of doing business, the tax laws and lack of infrastructure. Surely the bubble will pop sooner rather than later? </SPAN></SPAN>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 22:56<br /><br />It will only return to 1.9/1.8 if interest rates go up.&nbsp; It moves a bit when there are problems over in Europe, but that is just a proxy. &nbsp; It will move quickly if interest rates change in Brazil, and it will move by a good margin too.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11033">piquenique</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 22:48<br /><br />My money is on a return to 1.9/1.8, if the 2.10 holds.&nbsp; Otherwise, 2.3 or higher.&nbsp; To get there, though, would require some major problems and some major risk off. If Europe can sort any of its @#@# out, that will bring the risk trade back on and some serious Euro short covering; Real will follow.&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 22:27<br /><br />Of course, following the herd never yields any great wins.&nbsp; Either lead the herd, or sell into the herds direction.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 22:24<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />The real fireworks will begin if the interest rate goes from 9% to 8% or 7%!<br><br>That is when money will pour out.<br></td></tr></table><br><br>I always like to go the opposite direction of the crowds....&nbsp; My stack of chips is ready to 'pour in'. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 20:18<br /><br />The real fireworks will begin if the interest rate goes from 9% to 8% or 7%!<br><br>That is when money will pour out.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 20:13<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br />Call me when it breaks 2.10&nbsp;&nbsp; Yawn...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Sleepy" /></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Nobody called me! The Real kissed 2.10 today and promptly fell back to 2.07.<o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">HA!&nbsp; When I checked, it was at 2.09, and was anticipating to come 'knock you up' Esprit...&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><br>Didn't see that it then fell back...&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Angry" /></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">I say we'll see that 2.10, and even higher, after the holiday next week in the US.&nbsp; Maybe some real financial fireworks will go off somewhere.&nbsp; Who knows?!</p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;"><br></p></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 28 June  2012 at 20:13</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 17:12<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br />Call me when it breaks 2.10&nbsp;&nbsp; Yawn...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Sleepy" /></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Nobody called me! The Real kissed 2.10 today and promptly fell back to 2.07.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 10:50<br /><br /><a href="http://g1.globo.com/ec&#111;nomia/noticia/2012/06/moodys-rebaixa-rating-de-oito-bancos-brasileiros.html" target="_blank">http://g1.globo.com/economia/noticia/2012/06/moodys-rebaixa-rating-de-oito-bancos-brasileiros.html</a><br><br>so where were the ratings agencies before the subprime blow up in 2008? I doubt they are aware of the extremely high fees at these banks.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 28 June  2012 at 07:31<br /><br /><b>big day today</b>: US unemployment numbers and US quarterly GDP numbers are coming out 09h30 Brasilia-time.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 June  2012 at 12:02<br /><br /><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: EN-US; mso-bidi-: AR-SA" lang=EN-US>In some ways the markets remind me of Captain Kirk and his journeys in the Starship Enterprise: to go where no man has gone before. Markets are all about risk/reward analysis but, unfortunately, the European situation is all about the politics of desperate men dancing to the theme of the headless funky chicken; anything can happen during the next few weeks. Should the result of the upcoming European summit have the usual half-assed and regurgitated reform proposals, including further fiscal integration and loss of sovereignty, then I think it’s risk on and a Dollar surge. Ironically, the Dollar is in worse state than the Euro but let’s not let the facts get in the way of a good panic. Brazil and the Real, as always on the fringe, can only have a good time during the good times. Have faith in Murphy’s law</SPAN></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : Got $R3.23 to &#163;1 sterling today!!...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8953">IrishNatal</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 June  2012 at 11:56<br /><br />Got $R3.23 to £1 sterling today!! Very happy!!!  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 June  2012 at 10:55<br /><br />espirit, that will probably be soon - almost everything is down against the dollar today.<br><br>personally i can't believe how the aussie dollar has held up so well. i guess they haven't taken any dilma-esque measures...<br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :    Originally posted by ganeshrkara...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8727">ganeshrkara</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 22:52<br /><br /><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by ganeshrkara</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp; 2.00&nbsp;- 2.20&nbsp; for&nbsp;&nbsp; 2012</td></tr></table><br><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley10.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Star" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 13:14<br /><br />Call me when it breaks 2.10&nbsp;&nbsp; Yawn...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Sleepy" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 13:08<br /><br />it's already gone lower I bet because all the currency pairs are now up against the dollar.<br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : today it is 2.07 </title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 12:43<br /><br />today it is 2.07 ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 11:32<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Grads</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><DIV></DIV><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI" target="_blank"><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI</DIV></A></td></tr></table> <BR>There we have it. Now, what to do with 1)the debt, and 2)big banking golpes?</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Where do we go from here? We continue on the current European political path because, well, we are obliged to stay the course as determined by the people who are the most insane and who, while in their stupor, this weight of debt which cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in their own despair and against their will, comes wisdom through the awful truth and reality on the floor of financial marketplace. Vaporise a couple of trillion Euros. </SPAN><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : I&amp;#039;m trying to figure out...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 10:15<br /><br />I'm trying to figure out why those guys try to get banished!! At least for me, I got 10 million things on my agenda every day. Coming here to let off steam is not one of them.....<br><br>Anyway, I don't think defaults will be anywhere NEAR what happened in the US. Buildings are a little harder to build here, and made with bricks and cement, not disposable items like in the US. There's also this tendency of Brazilians to live right next to other people, so while there may be sprawl in larger cities, where I live, land if very scarce and very expensive.<br><br>Finally, loans are tougher to get here. I showed Caixa a years worth of bank statements. But they still made it difficult. They told me that they asked for so many requirements because the amount was R$ 300k. They still approved the loan, but I didn't want it by then.... I had already put 35% down, so I just wanted to find a way to pay cash, which I did.<br><br>Now if I could only scrape up some money or a large sitio/fazendo, I'd be in heaven.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 08:28<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><div></div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI" target="_blank"><br /><div> </div><br /><div> </div><br /><div> </div><br /><div>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI</div></a></td></tr></table> <br />There we have it. Now, what to do with 1)the debt, and 2)big banking golpes?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7283">Fortaleza-Newf</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 02:44<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>Ah, yes, <a href="http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/santander-a-banking-giant-out-of-the-blue/" target="_blank">Santander</A>....<BR><BR>If Boris was still around, he could 'illuminate' us as to Santander's connections.<BR><BR>Yet alas, Boris was banished by the metallic rodent, and is now contently ensconced in his Rio mountain lair/bat cave.&nbsp; He's no doubt making preparations with Dude (recently banished from the Green-goes Kingdom too) for the coming troll-free age of enlightenment (and fiscal responsibility)....<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 June  2012 at 01:10<br /><br /><DIV></DIV><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI" target="_blank"><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN_1mF-3JTI</DIV></A>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 June  2012 at 23:35<br /><br /><br>Ah, yes, <a href="http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/santander-a-banking-giant-out-of-the-blue/" target="_blank">Santander</a>....<br><br>If Boris was still around, he could 'illuminate' us as to Santander's connections.<br><br>Yet alas, Boris was banished by the metallic rodent, and is now contently ensconced in his Rio mountain lair/bat cave.&nbsp; He's no doubt making preparations with Dude (recently banished from the Green-goes Kingdom too) for the coming troll-free age of enlightenment (and fiscal responsibility)....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6859">OldMiller</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 June  2012 at 22:59<br /><br />Moody’s Downgrades 28 Spanish Banks On Sovereign Risk<br /><br />By Charles Penty and Dakin Campbell - Jun 25, 2012 6:45 PM MT<br /><br />Banco Santander SA (SAN) and Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA (BBVA), Spain’s largest lenders, were downgraded by Moody’s Investors Service because of the country’s sovereign debt and souring real-estate loans.<br />At least a dozen lenders were lowered to junk status, Moody’s said yesterday in a statement. The ratings company downgraded six banks by four levels and 10 by three grades with the rest getting one- and two-tier declines.<br />“In Spain you have a combination of a significant sovereign-debt burden coupled with a collapsing real estate market,” said Bruce Simon, chief investment officer at Los Angeles-based City National Bank, which manages $14 billion in client assets and doesn’t own debt issued by the lenders. “That’s doubling the pressure on Spanish banks.”<br />Moody’s issued a three-step reduction in Spain’s credit grade on June 13, citing the debt, a weakening economy and limited access to capital markets. Spain was lowered to Baa3, the lowest investment-grade rating, from A3 and remains on review for a further cut after announcing plans to borrow 100 billion euros ($125 billion) from European Union rescue funds to recapitalize banks.<br />The lenders are facing the “reduced creditworthiness” of the nation as well as the “expectation that exposures to commercial real estate (CRE) will likely cause higher losses, which might increase the likelihood that these banks will require external support,” the ratings firm said in its statement.<br />Banco Santander<br />Banco Santander had its long-term debt rating cut to Baa2 from A3. That’s one step higher than the sovereign rating because of the Madrid-based lender’s geographical diversification and “manageable” level of direct exposure to Spanish debt, Moody’s said. BBVA, based in Bilbao, is rated Baa3, down from A3.<br />The ratings company, based in New York, also downgraded 16 Spanish banks on May 17.<br />The latest cuts reflect the government’s reduced creditworthiness, which lessens its ability to support the lenders, as well as Moody’s expectation that losses linked to commercial real estate will keep rising, according to yesterday’s statement.<br />Moody’s downgraded 15 global banks last week, saying their capital-markets businesses suffered from volatility and the potential for “outsized losses,” according to a statement. The ratings firm also cited the companies’ exposure to Europe. The ratings on Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup Inc. (C) were cut to two levels above junk.<br />Banking Rescue<br />Concern that Spain will struggle to bail out its banks as their loan losses mount has driven up the country’s borrowing costs. The extra yield investors demand to hold Spain’s 10-year bonds rather than German bunds ballooned to 517.4 basis points on June 25 from 479.9 basis points on June 22. A basis point is a hundredth of a percentage point.<br />Spain requested the banking bailout in a letter to Luxembourg’s Jean-Claude Juncker, who leads the group of euro- area finance ministers.<br />Moody’s “views positively the broad-based support measures being introduced by the Spanish government to support the Spanish banking system as a whole,” analysts including Greg Bauer, global banking managing director, said in the statement. The ratings firm will assess the impact of the measures “once the final amount, timing and form of funds flowing to each individual bank are known.”<br />Stress Tests<br />The government of Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy published results of stress tests on June 21 that showed Spain’s banks may need as much as 62 billion euros of capital to withstand a worst-case economic scenario.<br />Oliver Wyman Ltd. estimated banks would need 51 billion euros to 62 billion euros should Spanish gross domestic product shrink by 6.5 percent over three years and housing prices drop 60 percent from their peak. Roland Berger Strategy Consultants said lenders would need 51.8 billion euros under those conditions.<br />The ratio of bad loans to total lending at Spain’s banks surged to 8.72 percent in April, the highest since 1994, from less than 1 percent in 2007, according to Bank of Spain data. Lenders have 184 billion euros of what the regulator terms problematic real estate-related assets after taking property onto their books following the collapse of Spain’s property boom in 2008.<br />“Moody’s action was fairly well telegraphed,” said Blake Howells, an analyst at Portland, Oregon-based Becker Capital Management Inc., which oversees $2.3 billion. “The market is well aware of the challenges these banks face.”<br /><br />From: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-25/moody-s-downgrades-28-spanish-banks-on-sovereign-risk.html]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 June  2012 at 10:52<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">Meanwhile, the predicted rising defaults in Brazil …<i style=""> “will resemble the collapse of the US subprime mortgage market five years ago” </i>is a bit far-fetched both in scale of numbers of defaulters and hugely wrong in terms of money; such sums would sink Brazil below the level of Atlantis.&nbsp;<span style=""></span><span style=""></span></span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>Fortunately, Brasilian banks haven't practiced the same sloppy lending practices, as was done in the US (and which largely precipitated the RE collapse there).&nbsp; Even back in 2008/2009, South Africa was smitting a bit from the woes in the UK and Eurozone, as far as inter-linked economic activity, but internally, the housing market didn't suffer the defaults like up north.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; The ZA banks had adapted stringent means tests for those seeking a mortgage.<br><br>While I don't know if BR banks have the same stringency, if there's a rise in defaults in the country, it won't be for the same reason as in the US.&nbsp; Since the concept of significant amounts of credit is still a novelty to the newly arrived members of the middle class, I doubt they truly comprehend the ramifications of just walking away from a loan, be it just a car, or their home.&nbsp; In hand with that, is my doubt that the banks have done little, if anything, to create incentives for managing one's credit responsibly.&nbsp; An exemplary 'credit score' earns you a better loan rate than someone with a 'score' that reflects their irresponsibility with credit.&nbsp; AFIK, this concept does not yet exist in Brasil.&nbsp; Correct me if i'm wrong.&nbsp; Anyone.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 25 June  2012 at 10:55</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 June  2012 at 10:20<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Throw a stone into the middle of a pond and you get a big splash, a Lehman Moment. Lots of stuff gets wet from the splash yet it takes a little longer for the ripples to reach all extremities of the pond; the BRICS &#091;now including South Africa&#093;. The problem we have today is that we are not quite sure of the size of stone thrown; the importance of which determines the difference between a ripple and a tsunami. We watch and wait as Europe flounders in a financial storm while searching for a bucket large enough to bailout their sinking ship. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>While Brazil has introduced laws designed to curb growth in the value of its currency, such laws may be reversed if deemed necessary. The balance of which may be determined by the cost of servicing both government and corporate dollar debt relative to trade balances.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Meanwhile, the predicted rising defaults in Brazil …<I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> “will resemble the collapse of the US subprime mortgage market five years ago” </I>is a bit far-fetched both in scale of numbers of defaulters and hugely wrong in terms of money; such sums would sink Brazil below the level of Atlantis. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6859">OldMiller</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 June  2012 at 09:19<br /><br />BRICs Biggest Currency Depreciation Since 1998 To Worsen<br /><br />By Ye Xie and Michael Patterson - Jun 25, 2012 4:20 AM MT<br /><br />The largest emerging markets, whose economies grew more than four-fold in the past decade, are making losers out of everyone from central bankers to Procter & Gamble Co. (PG) as their currencies post the biggest declines since at least 1998.<br />For the first time in 13 years, the <strong>real</strong>, ruble and rupee are weakening the most among developing-nation currencies, while the yuan has depreciated more than in any other period since its 1994 devaluation. <br /><strong>Brazil’s Fibria Celulose SA (FIBR3), the biggest pulp producer, asked banks to loosen restrictions on dollar loans as the real hit a three-year low.</strong><br />Investors are fleeing the four biggest emerging markets, known as the BRICs, after <strong>Brazil’s consumer default rate rose to the highest level since 2009</strong>, prices for Russian oil exports fell to an 18-month low, India’s budget deficit widened and Chinese home prices slumped. Investors are bracing for more losses as economic growth slows.<br />“I am quite bearish,” Stephen Jen, a managing partner at hedge fund SLJ Macro Partners LLP and a former economist at the International Monetary Fund, said in a phone interview from London. “When the global economy and capital flow slow down, it’s going to expose a lot of problems in these countries and make people stop and ask questions. A run on the currency could be particularly ugly.”<br />Currencies from Brazil, Russia and India will probably decline at least 15 percent further by year-end, said Jen, the former head of global currency research at Morgan Stanley.<br /><strong>Brazil’s real lost 12 percent this quarter through June 22, the biggest drop among the 31 most-actively traded currencies tracked by Bloomberg.</strong><br /><strong>A weaker real and lower interest rates in Brazil may reduce Coca-Cola Co. (KO)’s second-quarter profit by $30 million</strong>, according to JPMorgan. The Atlanta-based company left about $3 billion in cash in Brazil at the end of 2011 to take advantage of the country’s higher interest rates, Chief Financial Officer Gary Fayard said in a conference call in February. Half of the positions were left unhedged, he said.<br /><strong>Brazil’s central bank President Alexandre Tombini has cut the benchmark Selic rate by 2.5 percentage points this year to 8.5 percent, while the real has depreciated 9.7 percent.</strong><br />“All the BRIC looked ugly,” John Taylor, who oversees $3.5 billion as founder of currency hedge fund FX Concepts LLC in New York, said in an phone interview on June 19. The real and ruble will suffer “fairly decent” declines later this year as a global recession spurs investors to buy dollars as a haven, Taylor said.<br />After spending most of last year introducing policies to weaken their currencies, emerging-market governments are now working to limit the slide amid capital outflows.<br /><strong>Brazil’s government pared a tax on overseas loans on June 14 and has used swaps to add dollars to the market</strong>. Russia’s central bank sold U.S. currency this month to slow the ruble’s retreat, according to Chairman Sergey Ignatiev. India cut the amount of overseas income companies can hold in foreign exchange last month, spurring them to repatriate earnings. The ownership ceiling on government bonds was raised by $5 billion to $20 billion, the central bank said in an e-mailed statement today.<br /><strong>Investors withdrew $6.3 billion from Brazil’s stocks and bonds in May, the most since at least 2010</strong>, central bank data show.<br />Derivatives traders see no sign of a turnaround.<br /><strong>Wagers on a weaker real on Sao Paulo-based BM&FBovespa’s futures exchange rose to $4.7 billion on June 12, the most since February 2010</strong>, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.<br /><strong>A surge in bad loans in Brazil will weaken the real further, said Amit Rajpal, who manages global financial funds for London-based Marshall Wace LLP. The default rate on consumer debt rose to 7.6 percent in April, matching the highest level since December 2009, as lending growth slowed to 18 percent from a record 34 percent in September 2008</strong>, according to the central bank.<br />“What we’ll see now is basically a full-blown credit problem,” said Rajpal, who predicts <strong>rising defaults in Brazil will resemble the collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage market five years ago</strong>.<br />Investors are still too bullish on assets in the BRIC nations as Europe’s debt crisis weighs on emerging economies, said Eric Fine, a money manager at Van Eck Global.<br />“They will do poorly when the world is doing poorly,” Fine, whose firm oversees about $35 billion, said in a phone interview from New York. “I don’t believe in decoupling.”<br /><br />From: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-24/brics-biggest-currency-depreciation-since-1998-to-worsen.html]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 June  2012 at 23:26<br /><br />2.25 hmm where would we meet so I could collect?<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 24 June  2012 at 22:34<br /><br /><br>Back to an off-topic topic of this thread... RE investment in Spain.<br><br>Perhaps to be of interest:&nbsp; <a href="http://internati&#111;nalliving.com/2012/06/spains-crisis-your-opportunity/" target="_blank">Spain's Crisis, Your Opportunity</a><br><br><br>Back on topic:&nbsp; I bet a <i>nota cem</i> we hit 2.25 sometime in July/Aug.&nbsp; Any takers???&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 19 June  2012 at 00:24<br /><br /><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>We shouldn’t become fixated by percentages on government bonds; the cost of borrowing. By no means does the 7% figure that is bandied about as being unsustainable hold true in every case. Brazil has been paying 12.5% on its debt for years and has handled it quite well. It’s all about manageable and responsible borrowing; being able to afford to service the debt during its term before repayment. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The PIIGS, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain have simply borrowed too much despite EU rules of agreement while the rest of the members of this motley European club have lent them this money which they, in turn, can ill afford to lose. The politicians have turned Europe into a giant Ponzi scheme of borrowing to lend and lending to repay borrowing costs. Governments have collapsed and been renewed with new faces and policies of denial in the fond hope that, in time, something will turn up; the second coming of the financial messiah - the blessed Bernard Madoff perhaps?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>And so it has come to pass that we now turn on each other; protectionism, currency wars, inflation, slow and low growth, instability, unsustainable sovereign debt and default. The good news is that nobody is sabre rattling, burning books or proffering a final solution.&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" /></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 23:15<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Grads</strong></em><br /><br />What about Spain? It is the 4th biggest economy in the Euro and crisis financial/political crisis has been looming for a long time. The stakes are much higher and the potential to drag the euro zone down is much greater than in Greece. Old guard latinos meet post modern teutonic accounting and both already deserve penalties. The game is afoot, and no matter what happens, credibility in government and big banking is about to receive a big gut check. <br><br>I look forward to the developing dialog as you more than capable pundits kick this one around. We will all certainly learn something as this crisis now takes the field. Greece is a mere warm-up to much deeper line-up.</td></tr></table><br><br>Well, I'm certainly no pundit, but I think the 'collective consciousness' of this forum will provide better insight than the paid ones which appear on the likes of MSNBC and CNN!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>Excellent point about Spain!&nbsp; It's almost as if this election in Greece is part of the smoke and mirrors trick... "Look over <i>here</i> people!" (not over there at Spain)<br><br>From article below:&nbsp; "Fresh data from Spain's central bank showed the country's lenders were sitting on the highest level of bad loans in 18 years and that their deposits continued to leak away. The gloomy figures—and worries that consultants scouring the creaky banking system will find yet more problems—helped drive Spanish bond yields deep into territory <b>that is widely viewed as unsustainable</b>."<br><br>I think that's the key word in all of this hocus pocus going on (be it EU, EUA, or BR)... is any of it <i>sustainable</i>?!?<br><br>Article link here:&nbsp; <a href="http://&#111;nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303379204577474772933408462.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" target="_blank">Greek Election Results Fade Quickly as Madrid's Borrowing Costs Set Record</a><br><br>(FYI: link is from the WSJ, which has the annoying habit of allowing free reading of an article to non-subscribers, and then later blocking the freebie)<br><br>EDIT: Essentially the same article, provided free, with no teaser, by <a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0619/1224318194549.html" target="_blank">T</a><a href="http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0619/1224318194549.html" target="_blank">he Irish Times</a><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 18 June  2012 at 23:21</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 21:43<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />The question is when Germany is going to buckle and make the changes necessary to make all the other european countries competitive.&nbsp; Right now they're sitting on jobs, money and lots of wealth.&nbsp; They don't want to change anything, which is understandable.<BR><BR>None of this is earth shattering and none of this will do more than make media headlines for the next year or so. None of this will lead to doom and gloom, it's just a matter of working out which solution will be used to fix the problems.&nbsp;&nbsp; None of the countries are going to have a major cultural change that will prevent them from getting back to this position in another 10 years.&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>You make me scratch my head and double-think. You say Germany is sitting on jobs, money and lots of wealth and you ask the question, when is it going to buckle and make the changes necessary to make all the other European countries competitive. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Now I’m blinking rapidly in dismay. Em, tell you what, maybe Germany should say, “Monkey see, monkey do!” because Germany has already set the example to the world: knuckle down, work hard, don’t outsource and domestically produce the quality products that the world needs. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>Now then, though separated by different languages and alphabets, even the Greeks, although demonstrably incapable of absorbing this simple jewel of example, should be able to understand. They should but they don’t and neither does Brazil.&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by GreatBallsoFireSorry...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 21:22<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />Sorry Esprit, Brazil needs to bring down interest rates to bring down the Real and stop the stupid policies like 20% taking higher bids for locally made shoes.&nbsp; If the Real were 20% lower, lots of jobs would open up and the "custo Brasil" would go away. Tourists would return from Brazil with stuff instead of mainly empty bags. Gov would have more money for infrastructure, health, education and safety. Sure a td of inflation but since the consumer is tapped out with so much debt and most never go abroad, Dilma and the PT will force rates lower and accept a cheaper Real...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp; Workers need jobs and Brazil needs a cheaper Real to create the jobs. Bresser Pereira, go baby go!<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp; He has Dilma's ear and with all of the BNDES loans/stimulus money coming the Real goes to three.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Frankly, I do not understand the implied correlation you draw between interest rates and currency exchange rates yet, even if I go along with it, I fail to see how a lower value Real would release any pent up industrial production that you suggest would be forthcoming and released into the global economy. Brazilian products produced by Brazilian skills and innovation?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Really? <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Where is the workforce to wield the hammers of industry? You imagine the Brazilian hordes can match the similar hordes of India or the hordes of China in terms of education, skills, motivation and remuneration? Or is it perhaps you may have been in Brazil too long and have been caught up in the grand Brazilian delusion? If political grandiloquence had any substance it could be used to fill the pot holes in what’s left of our roads, alas…&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Embarrassed" /></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 20:09<br /><br />The question is when Germany is going to buckle and make the changes necessary to make all the other european countries competitive.&nbsp; Right now they're sitting on jobs, money and lots of wealth.&nbsp; They don't want to change anything, which is understandable.<br><br>None of this is earth shattering and none of this will do more than make media headlines for the next year or so. None of this will lead to doom and gloom, it's just a matter of working out which solution will be used to fix the problems.&nbsp;&nbsp; None of the countries are going to have a major cultural change that will prevent them from getting back to this position in another 10 years.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 20:00<br /><br />All of this discussion regarding Greece is most enlightening; however, the ramifications of the eventual “solution” to the crisis in Greece is more symbolic and psychological – in spite of its huge debt - than it is actually devastating to the larger eurozone network, IMO. Greece is only 2/3% of the overall GDP of this union.<br /><br />What about Spain? It is the 4th biggest economy in the Euro and crisis financial/political crisis has been looming for a long time. The stakes are much higher and the potential to drag the euro zone down is much greater than in Greece. Old guard latinos meet post modern teutonic accounting and both already deserve penalties. The game is afoot, and no matter what happens, credibility in government and big banking is about to receive a big gut check. <br /><br />I look forward to the developing dialog as you more than capable pundits kick this one around. We will all certainly learn something as this crisis now takes the field. Greece is a mere warm-up to much deeper line-up.<br /><br />As far as Brasil is concerned in all of this, I think it is well position…in spite of itself.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 19:10<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>...Brazil needs to bring down interest rates way down.&nbsp; Economists are all pointing to the huge problems of borrowing at 7%, and here Brazil is at 9.75% until this year, dropping to 9%?&nbsp; It should be in the 5-6% range.&nbsp;&nbsp; Real will take a beating, but long term it's necessary.<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" ="Ms&#111;normal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>I would suggest that the last thing Brazil needs right now is a lower interest rate. You point about southern European economists &#091;e.g. Spain&#093; pointing to the huge problem of borrowing at 7% is not so much the interest rate but the huge amounts of money borrowed relative to their respective GDPs. In simplistic terms, it’s more tempting to borrow at 1% than at 7%. And therein lays the problem; governments have borrowed way too much just to impress the collective idiot with their prowess. Any fool and his uncle can borrow, or in the North American case, print too much money to the point where debts cannot be repaid without inflation. Everybody should know that it is interest rates that control inflation. Brazil needs low interest rate like it needs a second bowel exit. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Sorry Esprit, Brazil needs to bring down interest rates to bring down the Real and stop the stupid policies like 20% taking higher bids for locally made shoes.&nbsp; If the Real were 20% lower, lots of jobs would open up and the "custo Brasil" would go away. Tourists would return from Brazil with stuff instead of mainly empty bags. Gov would have more money for infrastructure, health, education and safety. Sure a td of inflation but since the consumer is tapped out with so much debt and most never go abroad, Dilma and the PT will force rates lower and accept a cheaper Real...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp; Workers need jobs and Brazil needs a cheaper Real to create the jobs. Bresser Pereira, go baby go!<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp; He has Dilma's ear and with all of the BNDES loans/stimulus money coming the Real goes to three.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 18:18<br /><br />What is shows is that more people are learning towards keeping the euro than previously.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not by huge margins, but definitely growth in that area.<br><br>Of course they can't pay them back.&nbsp; But so what?&nbsp; They borrow, build, repeat, and finally go bankrupt, vs borrow, build, repeat and finally devalue their currency and go bankrupt.<br><br>This isn't something that greece needs to fix, this is how greece is run.&nbsp; This is something that europe needs to work around.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 18:12<br /><br />@jkennedy- the chart below, courtesy of Telegraph.co.uk, clearly shows that the pro bail out parties received 41.8% combined and the anti bail out received 46.2% and 37% of the eligible voters stayed home.<br><br>There is no way that the Greeks can repay these loans as they are front loaded against them<br>Of the latest 160B bail out only 10% of actual euros enters the economy with the rest being electronic euros back to the banks to satisfy the debt.<br>Sooo..!! more bail outs are only to pay down the existing debt, its a bloody merry go round<br><br>That is why Tsipras wants to tell Merkel and CO. to go pound sand.<br><br>@Esprit is spot on his analysis of the situation on the ground.<br><br>The only way out for the Greeks is to go back to the Drachma and suffer for 2-3 years until their economy gets put on the straight and narrow or continue with this farce and be indebted for the next 30-40 years or more. Not much of a choice.<br><br><br><img src="http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02251/greekgraphic_2251276c.jpg" height="287" width="460" border="0" align="middle" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 17:52<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>...Brazil needs to bring down interest rates way down.&nbsp; Economists are all pointing to the huge problems of borrowing at 7%, and here Brazil is at 9.75% until this year, dropping to 9%?&nbsp; It should be in the 5-6% range.&nbsp;&nbsp; Real will take a beating, but long term it's necessary.<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>I would suggest that the last thing Brazil needs right now is a lower interest rate. You point about southern European economists &#091;e.g. Spain&#093; pointing to the huge problem of borrowing at 7% is not so much the interest rate but the huge amounts of money borrowed relative to their respective GDPs. In simplistic terms, it’s more tempting to borrow at 1% than at 7%. And therein lays the problem; governments have borrowed way too much just to impress the collective idiot with their prowess. Any fool and his uncle can borrow, or in the North American case, print too much money to the point where debts cannot be repaid without inflation. Everybody should know that it is interest rates that control inflation. Brazil needs low interest rate like it needs a second bowel exit. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : You&amp;#039;re acting like a 22%...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 17:44<br /><br />You're acting like a 22% wage cut is bad? &nbsp; If they get their own currency in there and it drops by 50% or 80%, they're taking much larger cuts.<br><br>If a farmer goes to sell his apples for $1 to a local or $5 to someone in germany, they're selling to the germans.&nbsp;&nbsp; Either way, the locals can't afford it, if they take a euro pay cut, or take a new currency and get a "pay cut"<br><br>They'll get out of this mess through further debt reductions, and then redo it all again in 10 more years.&nbsp; They aren't screwed, they're living the way they've been living for decades or longer.&nbsp; <br><br>The best solution is still to allow some good inflation, allow germany and others to get it, and everyone else just makes less and less.&nbsp; Germans get screwed, but they're the ones who are going to get screwed anyways, they sold to someone who couldn't pay.<br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 17:33<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Media made it out like the Greeks weren't going to want to stick around, that this whole austerity thing was bad. &nbsp; Looks like the voters came out and say keep going, we want to stick around in the euro.&nbsp; The real voters know what will happen if they lose the euro.&nbsp; While 25% might be unemployed there, 75% are employed, even if many are taking pay cuts, their standard of living would drop by even more if they left the euro.&nbsp; Everyone might be employed, but their wages would be slashed by 50% maybe 75% as their currency devalues over night.&nbsp; 20% pay cut is better than a 75% pay cut and fighting lots of great inflation...<BR><BR></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The real voters, as you call them – the ones you suggest know what would happen if they exited the Euro – were represented by just 40% of those voting for parties that broadly support the bailout conditions. Those already agreed conditions being: &#091;The mission, should you accept it will be…this message will self-destruct in four seconds&#093;. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Cut 15,000 state sector jobs this year - aiming for 150,000 to be cut by 2015.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Cut minimum wage by 22%, to about 600 euros a month.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Pension cut worth 300m euros this year.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Spending cuts of more than 3bn euros this year.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Liberalise labour laws to make hiring and firing easier.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The party with the largest vote, New Democracy, won approximately 29.7% of the vote; hardly a mandate from the people, yet it remains to be seen if, during the next couple of days, a government can be formed. Meanwhile it’s logical to assume that this new government will be cut some slack on the already agreed bailout terms. After all, 60% of the Greek people evidently do not agree with what’s been going on and are therefore likely to take to the streets again in violent protest when they realize that Greece is being run not by government but by the IMF for its own purposes. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>In the final analysis all of this ballyhoo is simple the soupe du jour; both the markets and bank stocks have already discounted a Greek default. It is only the politicians that are clinging on to the European dream by suggesting a nightmare Euro collapse scenario. The Greeks owe hundreds of millions of Euros and will need hundreds of millions more just to keep the State going and to service its debts; loans to repay loans followed by the insanity of yet more and more loans. Both the economy and the political culture are bankrupt. It’s time to stop this pretense and to allow this Greek tragedy to take center stage and face the ugly truth; double screwed!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 14:44<br /><br />Media made it out like the Greeks weren't going to want to stick around, that this whole austerity thing was bad. &nbsp; Looks like the voters came out and say keep going, we want to stick around in the euro.&nbsp; The real voters know what will happen if they lose the euro.&nbsp; While 25% might be unemployed there, 75% are employed, even if many are taking pay cuts, their standard of living would drop by even more if they left the euro.&nbsp; Everyone might be employed, but their wages would be slashed by 50% maybe 75% as their currency devalues over night.&nbsp; 20% pay cut is better than a 75% pay cut and fighting lots of great inflation.<br><br>Brazil needs to bring down interest rates way down.&nbsp; Economists are all pointing to the huge problems of borrowing at 7%, and here Brazil is at 9.75% until this year, dropping to 9%?&nbsp; It should be in the 5-6% range.&nbsp;&nbsp; Real will take a beating, but long term it's necessary.<br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 14:31<br /><br />So Dilma and Tombini, head of the Brazilian Centra Bank both want lower interest rates. Both are PT, she tells him what to do as in lowering the Selic and this brings down the interest rates. Lower rates give us a cheaper Real. Also Brazil gets backdoor inflation through loans from the BNDES. This gov bank loans money to Petrobras which needs 18 billion dollars of fborrowings for the presal each year over the next four years. Bus fare up 12% due to costs.<DIV>So we get the Real at three as the Euro trades down to under one to the dollar. Falling commodity prices on global slowdown also push down the Real. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></DIV><DIV>Don't forget Guido Mantega, CEO of Petrobars, and Head of the Financas. Hee to wants a cheaper real and lower interest rates...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></DIV><DIV>Greeks go out with the Dracma and Spain brings out the peseta...no problem...</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 13:30<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The reason why we, the electorate, and in common with the Greeks, are referred to as the collective idiot, is because we can rationalize anything in the cause of self-interest. If the man in the suit says that if we vote for him he will give us big pensions and healthcare then we will vote for him. If he offers a free lunch we will eat it without question because, after all, he has a suit, a ready smile and doesn’t ask us to think. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Politicians of all nations are a heterogeneous crew with homogeneous ambitions; power and wealth. Politicians represent us because they come from us, they are like us and we are like them; greedy bastards affixed on self-interest. There are some who may take exception to this description and say that they are not greedy and that all they want is a comfortable home, family, health and happiness. Oh really! Greedy bastards.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Recently the CEO of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, suggested that Greeks could help themselves collectively by paying their taxes. She’s right. Meanwhile it was discovered that Ms. Lagarde doesn’t pay taxes on her salary that is, incidentally, higher than the salary paid to the US President. WTF! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>We live in a world that is entirely unsuitable for idealists with high moral values; after all, had we listened to Gandhi we’d all be speaking German by now. Those of us from the ‘first world’ know that our standards were hard fought and yet are still flawed. We need protection from ourselves; a benign dictatorship &#091;Jesus, are you busy?&#093;.&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley16.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Cool" /></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 11:46<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-GB; mso-fareast-: EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">Back on topic: Anyone waiting for a spike is, in my opinion, sitting on it today. Does the fall in value of 24% against USD not impress?<o:p></o:p></span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>Actually, since a year ago, it's more like 28%.&nbsp; True Esprit, beggars can't be choosers.&nbsp; But I'm not begging... at least not yet.&nbsp; I admit I'm being a tad greedy.&nbsp; Two or three months @2.50-2.75 is all I want.<br><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-GB; mso-fareast-: EN-GB"></span><span><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"></span></span><span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt;" lang="EN-US">The Greek State, not unlike Brazilian one, has been run by a short-sighted, lying and corrupt bunch of blackguards. At any other time in history the world would roll its eyes and walk away and leave these people to their 4000 year history and any lessons they might have learnt from it. The world would walk away because, hitherto, Greece was of no significance or relevance to the global economy. Their significance today rests simply on the fact that it owes large lumps of money to anybody that was foolhardy enough to lend it to them....&nbsp; </span></span><span><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">Today those lenders are continuing to extend and pretend that Greece will be able to repay the loans and they are doing this by lending yet more money to this totally bankrupt nation. Clowns! </span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>I usually don't like to post things such as the item below, an email I received over the weekend, without providing some references/links, to substantiate the facts and figures.&nbsp; So <i>caveat emptor</i>... take the below with a large grain of Mediterranean sea salt.&nbsp; I have no idea if it's all true, or not.&nbsp; Yet if only half of what is claimed is factual, albeit a bit dated, then the clowns have come and gone... their balloon pants bulging with absconded funds!<br><br><div align="center">------------------ start ----------------------<br><div align="left"><font face="Arial"><br>Even on a stiflingly hot summer's day, the Athens underground is a pleasure. It is air-conditioned, with plasma screens to entertain passengers relaxing in cool, cavernous departure halls - and the trains even run on time.<br><br>There is another bonus for users of this state-of-the-art rapid transport system: it is, in effect, free for the five million people of the Greek capital.&nbsp; With no barriers to prevent free entry or exit to this impressive tube network, the good citizens of Athens are instead asked to 'validate' their tickets at honesty machines before boarding. Few bother.<br><br>This is not surprising: fiddling on a Herculean scale — from the owner of the smallest shop to the most powerful figures in business and politics — has become as much a part of Greek life as ouzo and olives.&nbsp; Indeed, as well as not paying for their metro tickets, the people of Greece barely paid a penny of the underground’s £1.5 billion cost — a ‘sweetener’ from Brussels (and, therefore, the UK taxpayer) to help the country put on an impressive 2004 Olympics free of the city’s notorious traffic jams.&nbsp; The transport perks are not confined to the customers. Incredibly, the average salary on Greece ’s railways is £60,000, which includes cleaners and track workers - treble the earnings of the average private sector employee here.<br><br>The over ground rail network is as big a racket as the EU-funded underground. While its annual income is only £80&#8201;million from ticket sales, the wage bill is more than £500m a year — prompting one Greek politician to famously remark that it would be cheaper to put all the commuters into private taxis.&nbsp;&nbsp; ‘We have a railroad company which is bankrupt beyond comprehension,’ says Stefans Manos, a former Greek finance minister. ‘And yet, there isn’t a single private company in Greece with that kind of average pay.’&nbsp; Significantly, since entering Europe as part of an ill-fated dream by politicians of creating a European super-state, the wage bill of the Greek public sector has doubled in a decade. At the same time, perks and fiddles reminiscent of Britain in the union-controlled 1970s have flourished.<br><br>Ridiculously, Greek pastry chefs, radio announcers, hairdressers and masseurs in steam baths are among more than 600 professions allowed to retire at 50 (with a state pension of 95 per cent of their last working year’s earnings) — on account of the ‘arduous and perilous’ nature of their work.&nbsp; This week, it was reported that every family in Britain could face a £14,000 bill to pay for Greece ’s self-inflicted financial crisis. Such fears were denied yesterday after Brussels voted a massive new £100bn rescue package which, it insisted, would not need a contribution from Britain.&nbsp; Even if this is true — and many British MPs have their doubts — we will still have to stump up £1billion to the bailout through the International Monetary Fund.&nbsp; In return for this loan, European leaders want the Greeks’ free-spending ways to end immediately if the country is to be prevented from ‘infecting’ the world’s financial system. Naturally, the Greek people are not happy about this.<br><br>In Constitution Square this week, opposite the parliament, I witnessed thousands gathering to campaign against government cuts designed to save the country from bankruptcy.&nbsp; After running battles with riot police, who used tear gas to disperse protesters, thousands are still camped out in the square ahead of a vote by Greek politicians next week on whether to accept Europe-imposed austerity measures.&nbsp; Yet these protesters should direct their anger closer to home — to those Greeks who have for many years done their damndest to deny their country the dues they owe it.<br><br>Take a short trip on the metro to the city’s cooler northern suburbs, and you will find an enclave of staggering opulence.&nbsp; Here, in the suburb of Kifissia, amid clean, tree-lined streets full of designer boutiques and car showrooms selling luxury marques such as Porsche and Ferrari, live some of the richest men and women in the world.&nbsp; With its streets paved with marble, and dotted with charming parks and cafes, this suburb is home to shipping tycoons such as Spiros Latsis, a billionaire and friend of Prince Charles, as well as countless other wealthy industrialists and politicians.<br><br>One of the reasons they are so rich is that rather than paying millions in tax to the Greek state, as they rightfully should, many of these residents are living entirely tax-free.&nbsp; Along street after street of opulent mansions and villas, surrounded by high walls and with their own pools, most of the millionaires living here are, officially, virtually paupers.&nbsp; How so? Simple: they are allowed to state their own earnings for tax purposes, figures which are rarely challenged. And rich Greeks take full advantage.&nbsp; Astonishingly, only 5,000 people in a country of 12 million admit to earning more than £90,000 a year — a salary that would not be enough to buy a garden shed in Kifissia.&nbsp; Yet studies have shown that more than 60,000 Greek homes each have investments worth more than £1m, let alone unknown quantities in overseas banks, prompting one economist to describe Greece as a ‘poor country full of rich people’.<br><br>Manipulating a corrupt tax system, many of the residents simply say that they earn below the basic tax threshold of around £10,000 a year, even though they own boats, second homes on Greek islands and properties overseas.&nbsp; And, should the taxman rumble this common ruse, it can be dealt with using a ‘fakelaki’ — an envelope stuffed with cash. There is even a semi-official rate for bribes: passing a false tax return requires a payment of up to 10,000 euros (the average Greek family is reckoned to pay out £2,000 a year in fakelaki.)&nbsp; Even more incredibly, Greek shipping magnates — the king of kings among the wealthy of Kifissia — are automatically exempt from tax, supposedly on account of the great benefits they bring the country.<br><br>Yet the shipyards are empty; once employing 15,000, they now have less than 500 to service the once-mighty Greek shipping lines which, like the rest of the country, are in terminal decline.&nbsp; With Greek President George Papandreou calling for a crackdown on these tax dodgers — who are believed to cost the economy as much as £40bn a year — he is now resorting to bizarre means to identify the cheats. After issuing warnings last year, government officials say he is set to deploy helicopter snoopers, along with scrutiny of Google Earth satellite pictures, to show who has a swimming pool in the northern suburbs — an indicator, officials say, of the owner’s wealth.<br><br>Officially, just over 300 Kifissia residents admitted to having a pool. The true figure is believed to be 20,000. There is even a boom in sales of tarpaulins to cover pools and make them invisible to the aerial tax inspectors.&nbsp; 'The most popular and effective measure used by owners is to camouflage their pool with a khaki military mesh to make it look like natural undergrowth,’ says Vasilis Logothetis, director of a major swimming pool construction company. ‘That way, neither helicopters nor Google Earth can spot them.’&nbsp; But faced with the threat of a crackdown, money is now pouring out of the country into overseas tax havens such as Liechtenstein , the Bahamas and Cyprus .<br><br>‘Other popular alternatives include setting up offshore companies in Cyprus or the British Virgin Islands , or the purchase of real estate abroad,’ says one doctor, who declares an income of less than £90,000 yet earns five times that amount.&nbsp; There has also been a boom in London property purchases by Athens-based Greeks in an attempt to hide their true worth from their domestic tax authorities.&nbsp;&nbsp; ‘These anti-tax evasion measures by the government force us to resort to even more detailed tax evasion ploys,’ admits Petros Iliopoulos, a civil engineer.<br><br>Hotlines have been set up offering rewards for people who inform on tax dodgers. Last month, to show the government is serious, it named and shamed 68 high-earning doctors found guilty of tax evasion.&nbsp; ‘We will spare no effort to collect what is due to the state,’ said Evangelos Venizelos, the new Greek finance minister of the socialist ruling party. ‘We promise to draft and apply a new and honest tax system, one that has been needed for decades, so that taxes are duly paid by those who should pay.’<br><br>Yet, already, it is too late. Greece is effectively bust — relying on EU cash from richer northern European countries, but this has been the case ever since the country finally joined the euro in 2001.&nbsp; Two years earlier, the country was barred from entering because it did not meet the financial criteria.&nbsp; No matter: the Greeks simply cooked the books. Two years later, having falsely claimed to have met standards relating to manufacturing and industrial production and low inflation, the Greeks were allowed in.<br><br>Funds poured into the country from across Europe and the Greeks started spending like there was no tomorrow.&nbsp; Money flowed into all areas of public life. As a result, for example, the Greek school system is now an over-staffed shambles, employing four times more teachers per pupil than Finland , the country with the highest-rated education system in Europe . ‘But we still have to pay for tutors for our two children,’ says Helena, an Athens mother. ‘The teachers are hopeless — they seem to spend their time off sick.’<br><br>Although Brussels has now agreed to provide the next stage of its debt payment programme to safeguard the count ry’s immediate economic future, the Greek media still carries ominous warnings that the military may be forced to step in should the country’s foray into Europe end in ignominy, bankruptcy and rising violence.&nbsp; For now, the crisis has simply been delayed. With European taxpayers facing the prospect of saving Greece from bankruptcy for the second year in a row, some say even the £100bn on offer will pay off only the interest on the country’s debts — meaning it will be broke again within two years.<br><br>Meanwhile, there are doom-laden warnings that the collapse of the Greek economy could be the catalyst for another global recession.&nbsp; Perhaps if the Greeks themselves had shown more willingness to tighten their belts and pay taxes due to the state, voters across Europe might not now be feeling such anger towards them.&nbsp; But having strolled the streets of Kifissia, and watched the Greek hordes stream past the honesty boxes on the underground, it does not take a degree in European economics to know when somebody is taking advantage — at our expense.<br><br></font><div align="center"><font face="Arial">------------ end -------------<br><br><br></font></div></div></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 18 June  2012 at 12:53</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 11:23<br /><br /><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Stephen Sondheim’s lyrics serve the European debacle well:<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 13.5pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>“Don't you love farce?<BR>My fault, I fear.<BR>I thought that you'd want what I want -<BR>Sorry, my dear.<BR>But where are the clowns?<BR>There ought to be clowns.<BR>Quick, send in the clowns.”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; COLOR: red; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-: EN-GB; mso-fareast-: EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>The Greek State, not unlike Brazilian one, has been run by a short-sighted, lying and corrupt bunch of blackguards. At any other time in history the world would roll its eyes and walk away and leave these people to their 4000 year history and any lessons they might have learnt from it. The world would walk away because, hitherto, Greece was of no significance or relevance to the global economy. Their significance today rests simply on the fact that it owes large lumps of money to anybody that was foolhardy enough to lend it to them. Those lenders can’t handle the simple truth that if they were to mark their books to market, they too would be near bankruptcy. Today those lenders are continuing to extend and pretend that Greece will be able to repay the loans and they are doing this by lending yet more money to this totally bankrupt nation. Clowns! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Back on topic: Anyone waiting for a spike is, in my opinion, sitting on it today. Does the fall in value of 24% against USD not impress?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : So another &amp;#039;bail out&amp;#039;......</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 10:22<br /><br /><br>So another 'bail out'... more pouring water on to sand, another finger stuck in the deteriorating dike.&nbsp; Greece: "too big to fail".&nbsp; When this house of Euro cards collapses, it's going to be a doozy!&nbsp; But don't expect anything to happen until after the US elections for who'll be the tenant of the Casa Branca.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>@ Grads:&nbsp; I don't think anyone here (in Brasil) wants a weak Real permanently... just a nice spike, a window of opportunity if you will.&nbsp; And like previous 'swings' in the forex, a balance is eventually found.&nbsp; Anyway, with continual rate cuts by the CB, some people's investments IN Brasil, are no longer producing the same rate of return....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Cry" /><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : I, for one, do not want to see...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 09:13<br /><br />I, for one, do not want to see the Real get "REALLY" weak. Balance is nice, and swings too far benefit the few and not the many. Some people have substantial investments IN Brasil.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 08:09<br /><br />Speaking of <u><b>foreign exchange inflows</b></u> - last week, forecasted at 32B. Actual number came in at 84B. So foreigners are still sending there money to Brazil...&nbsp; I think if we want to see the Real REALLY weaken, we have to see this number drop like a rock.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 18 June  2012 at 07:58<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><br>@SB:&nbsp; Polls close in Greece at 13hs Brasil time on Sunday, but it will probably not be until midnight (in Brasil), when any real numbers are known.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/business/greek-electi&#111;n-faq-why-it-matters-and-what-happens-next/2012/06/15/gJQAj6dYfV_story.html" target="_blank">This article</a> goes over some possible outcomes.&nbsp; I tend to side with the no real winner scenario, forcing a coalition to be formed.&nbsp; Meaning, more politics, more rhetoric, more talk, and little to no action....<br></span></span></span></span></td></tr></table><br><br>I'm just glad I took a couple of shots of caxaça and then went to bed. Nothing happened. I knew the Greek majority wouldn't vote for anti-austerity. With all of the money Germany throws at them, they would have to be crazy. Some Germans even went that far as to say those same words in some German publications (Bild, I think).<br><br>I'll use Portugal as an example because it (is) a poor country in Southern Europe with approximately the same population as Greece. Corruption is also a problem in both countries. When I saw videos of Portugal in 1990, it was one thing. In 1997, something different. In 2006 when I went there for a visit I was amazed at all of the nice new roads and fancy bridges where there had previously been foot paths or roads with lotsa potholes. <br><br>Where do you think all of that money was coming from to build those nice new roads? (I'm not talking about toll roads that usually have large multi-national investment groups paying for them). My bet is Germany is paying...<br><br>IMHO, Portugal would look more like a back-a$$ city in Brazil (like where I live), if it weren't for EU money.<br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : well said Agri2001.Everyone...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 June  2012 at 17:34<br /><br />well said Agri2001.<br /><br />Everyone always calls the truth rhetoric <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by frank4000 - 17 June  2012 at 18:02</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 June  2012 at 16:19<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />Bob I took the liberty to post the following from another poster from another thread to counter your German free money comment.<BR><BR>BTW I believe the pols will close at 14:00 hrs Brazil time.<BR><BR>&nbsp;<DIV id=dsq-comment-message-558625873 ="dsq-comment-message"><DIV id=dsq-comment-text-558625873 ="dsq-comment-text"><P>I have absolutely no problem with the 'responsible adult' and 'market realities' schools of thought. Just as long as they're consistent.</P><P>If a private German bank lends to a private Irish or Greek bank - for example if Commerzbank lends €10bn to Anglo Irish Bank - then let those banks stand and fall on their own judgement. Anglo Irish was pretty much a commercial property bank. It fuelled and powered the building mania in Ireland. As such, it had zero small deposit holders and was of no systemic value to the Irish banking system.</P><P>So let reality kick in and rule. The property bubble bursts and Anglo Irish goes belly up. Commerzbank loses its money, as any stupid judgement call in business deserves.</P><P>Aren't loans usually paid back with interest? They are. Aren't bankrupt companies usually let go bankrupt? They are. Doesn't a lender to a bankrupt company lose their money, or at least the vast majority of it? They do.</P><P>But that's not what's happened. The Irish, Greek and Portuguese (and now the Spanish I suppose) taxpayers are on the hook for loans they didn't take on. They are paying back loans that are not theirs to pay back.</P><P>Why aren't market forces working through the system? Because Germany effectively runs the EU/ECB and they have demanded that national governments guarantee all private bank debts. Because if we let the free hand of the market run freely, the German banks are the ones ultimately out of pocket - to the tunes of billions and billions of euro.</P><P>I'm all for the free market, paying back loans and fiscal responsibility. But that means that the market must be free and not fixed by one national government. It means the loans are paid back by those who took them out. It means that those loans that cannot be re-paid, aren't. It means someone else doesn't pay your bill.</P><P>That's the free market. That's reality.</P><P><BR></P><P>As always, follow the money. </P><P>David Blair characterizes the euro as a giant credit card that Greece used to go on a spending slurge. No argument there, but they were the minor, if feckless, beneficiaries of the euro project.</P><P>The euro (and the ECB) has been designed, used and guided by Germany's interests. Low interest rates weren't for Greece's benefit, but to assist in the recovery of the German economy (post reunification). Countries like Ireland in particular could have benefitted much more from higher interest rates to cool an overheating economy and a vast and growing property bubble.</P><P>The very existence of the euro was always going to benefit the net exporters such as...errr....Germany. Instead of a sky-high Deutschmark making their exports prohibitively expensive, the euro created a 400m-strong quasi-domestic market into which German companies could sell their exports. Outside the eurozone, the euro traded well below where the&nbsp;Deutschmark would have been - thanks to those pesky weaker economies dragging it down - thereby making German exports much cheaper internationally than would have been the case with&nbsp;Deutschmark/Dollar,&nbsp;Deutschmark/Yen or&nbsp;Deutschmark/Sterling rates.</P><P>Long story short: over the past ten years, the euro has been worth trillions in extra revenues to the German economy. Trillions.</P><P>Consider as well, the euro's effects on bank lending - always a very lucrative pastime. The German people save a quarter of a trillion euro each and every year. This money is only of use to German banks if they can find someone to lend it to. When the euro was put in place, suddenly there were no exchange controls, no currency fluctuations. German banks lent to banks in countries such as Greece, Portugal and Ireland, whose people then bought BMWs and Mercedes, thereby&nbsp;funneling the money - plus interest - back into Germany.</P><P>As for the bailout, who's getting bailed out? Ultimately, Germany. Don't believe me? Once again, follow the money. When the Irish (private) banks went belly up, Brian Lenihan, the finance minister was told in no uncertain terms that he must guarantee all Irish bank loans, including Anglo Irish Bank, a commercial/property bank of no systemic importance. Why? Because the lenders to Irish banks were, you've guessed it, German banks.</P><P>So when you're told about Ireland being 'bailed out', what we're in fact talking about is Irish taxpayers paying back loans that aren't theirs to pay to German banks. Ditto Greece. Even though some bondholders have taken a haircut, the intent is that loans to the Greek government are paid back with interest, even if that means tanking the Greek economy for a generation. In Ireland, the Irish government/taxpayer is paying back private loans to German private banks with money borrowed from the ECB at 6%.</P><P>If the Germans are such high priests of free markets and fiscal discipline, why don't they let market forces work through the system? If a private German bank is stupid enough to lend to a stupid Irish bank such as Anglo Irish, then let the Darwinian economics of the market let both the dumb borrowers and dumb lenders go to the wall. Their stupidity is expelled from the system and the capital vultures pick the bones of what remains.</P><P>What Germany wants is all the benefits and none of the pain of the euro. The really crazy thing is we know what will happen if Greece defaults and leaves the euro. If Greece were to leave the euro, it'd wipe out all Greek savings, send Greek/drachma inflation rocketing because of the cost of imports, but.....</P><P>But in 2 years, the economy would be competitive and rebounding, exports flying and they'd be back on the money markets. Just as Iceland is now.</P><P>Can we please stop all this old bollix about Germany writing cheques, taking the hits etc.? They're the only country not to take a hit on it so far, on either the upside or the downside. And they're not writing cheques, they're making loans that they are guaranteeing will get paid back - with interest - by enforcing austerity on other countries.</P></DIV></DIV></td></tr></table><DIV>&nbsp;<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Germany doesn’t need me to defend it, yet despite what above reads like anti-German rhetoric, it is in fact reluctant half-proof that the Germans are indeed the master race, especially when it comes to capitalism.; little wonder that some trembled at the prospect of German reunification. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>On what planet would it be likely that a group of mongrel nations such as ‘the Europeans’ might form a symbiosis of balanced traders served by a common currency? The Irish are an excellent example of prize </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold; mso-bidi-font-style: italic" lang=EN-US>amadáns; a humble </SPAN><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>nation transformed into presumptuousness by the lure brotherly love, gifts and cheap credit and all in pursuit of the unspoken German/Franco dream; European Federalism. The dream also caught up in her skirts the gullible Portuguese, Spanish and the pitiable Greeks in an orgasmic erection pumped up by debt and promises of eternal love; dumb &amp; dumber. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>And now this romp is over, leaving nothing but the odour of a good time, financial infection and regret. The nameless purveyors of this debacle retreat to the shadows leaving the politicians to their fate at the ballot box and their pensions while the collective idiot, the electorate, picks up the tab, the pain and the service charge. The master stroke is that no one goes to jail. Who’s your daddy?&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" /></SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 June  2012 at 15:57<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><div>On arrival home a tinge of depression was caused by a lengthy list of things electrical that had succumb to the rigors of the salty/humid climate. Dear God, how many over-priced TVs, water pumps, and light bulbs must a man buy to earn a bed in heaven?<o:p></o:p></div><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"> <div></div></td></tr></table><br><br>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ain't it the truth!&nbsp; I have purchased more light bulbs in the few years I've lived in Brasil, than my entire life combined living in other places!<br><br>@SB:&nbsp; Polls close in Greece at 13hs Brasil time on Sunday, but it will probably not be until midnight (in Brasil), when any real numbers are known.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/business/greek-electi&#111;n-faq-why-it-matters-and-what-happens-next/2012/06/15/gJQAj6dYfV_story.html" target="_blank">This article</a> goes over some possible outcomes.&nbsp; I tend to side with the no real winner scenario, forcing a coalition to be formed.&nbsp; Meaning, more politics, more rhetoric, more talk, and little to no action....<br><br>&nbsp;<br></span></span></span></span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 June  2012 at 15:13<br /><br />Bob I took the liberty to post the following from another poster from another thread to counter your German free money comment.<br><br>BTW I believe the pols will close at 14:00 hrs Brazil time.<br><br>&nbsp;<div ="dsq-comment-message"="" id="dsq-comment-message-558625873">                <div ="dsq-comment-text"="" id="dsq-comment-text-558625873">        <p>I have absolutely no problem with the 'responsible adult' and 'market realities' schools of thought. Just as long as they're consistent.</p><p>If a private German bank lends to a private Irish or Greek bank - for example if Commerzbank lends €10bn to Anglo Irish Bank - then let those banks stand and fall on their own judgement. Anglo Irish was pretty much a commercial property bank. It fuelled and powered the building mania in Ireland. As such, it had zero small deposit holders and was of no systemic value to the Irish banking system.</p><p>So let reality kick in and rule. The property bubble bursts and Anglo Irish goes belly up. Commerzbank loses its money, as any stupid judgement call in business deserves.</p><p>Aren't loans usually paid back with interest? They are. Aren't bankrupt companies usually let go bankrupt? They are. Doesn't a lender to a bankrupt company lose their money, or at least the vast majority of it? They do.</p><p>But that's not what's happened. The Irish, Greek and Portuguese (and now the Spanish I suppose) taxpayers are on the hook for loans they didn't take on. They are paying back loans that are not theirs to pay back.</p><p>Why aren't market forces working through the system? Because Germany effectively runs the EU/ECB and they have demanded that national governments guarantee all private bank debts. Because if we let the free hand of the market run freely, the German banks are the ones ultimately out of pocket - to the tunes of billions and billions of euro.</p><p>I'm all for the free market, paying back loans and fiscal responsibility. But that means that the market must be free and not fixed by one national government. It means the loans are paid back by those who took them out. It means that those loans that cannot be re-paid, aren't. It means someone else doesn't pay your bill.</p><p>That's the free market. That's reality.</p><p><br></p><p> As always, follow the money.</p><p>David Blair characterizes the euro as a giant credit card that Greece used to go on a spending slurge. No argument there, but they were the minor, if feckless, beneficiaries of the euro project.</p><p>The euro (and the ECB) has been designed, used and guided by Germany's interests. Low interest rates weren't for Greece's benefit, but to assist in the recovery of the German economy (post reunification). Countries like Ireland in particular could have benefitted much more from higher interest rates to cool an overheating economy and a vast and growing property bubble.</p><p>The very existence of the euro was always going to benefit the net exporters such as...errr....Germany. Instead of a sky-high Deutschmark making their exports prohibitively expensive, the euro created a 400m-strong quasi-domestic market into which German companies could sell their exports. Outside the eurozone, the euro traded well below where the&nbsp;Deutschmark would have been - thanks to those pesky weaker economies dragging it down - thereby making German exports much cheaper internationally than would have been the case with&nbsp;Deutschmark/Dollar,&nbsp;Deutschmark/Yen or&nbsp;Deutschmark/Sterling rates.</p><p>Long story short: over the past ten years, the euro has been worth trillions in extra revenues to the German economy. Trillions.</p><p>Consider as well, the euro's effects on bank lending - always a very lucrative pastime. The German people save a quarter of a trillion euro each and every year. This money is only of use to German banks if they can find someone to lend it to. When the euro was put in place, suddenly there were no exchange controls, no currency fluctuations. German banks lent to banks in countries such as Greece, Portugal and Ireland, whose people then bought BMWs and Mercedes, thereby&nbsp;funneling the money - plus interest - back into Germany.</p><p>As for the bailout, who's getting bailed out? Ultimately, Germany. Don't believe me? Once again, follow the money. When the Irish (private) banks went belly up, Brian Lenihan, the finance minister was told in no uncertain terms that he must guarantee all Irish bank loans, including Anglo Irish Bank, a commercial/property bank of no systemic importance. Why? Because the lenders to Irish banks were, you've guessed it, German banks.</p><p>So when you're told about Ireland being 'bailed out', what we're in fact talking about is Irish taxpayers paying back loans that aren't theirs to pay to German banks. Ditto Greece. Even though some bondholders have taken a haircut, the intent is that loans to the Greek government are paid back with interest, even if that means tanking the Greek economy for a generation. In Ireland, the Irish government/taxpayer is paying back private loans to German private banks with money borrowed from the ECB at 6%.</p><p>If the Germans are such high priests of free markets and fiscal discipline, why don't they let market forces work through the system? If a private German bank is stupid enough to lend to a stupid Irish bank such as Anglo Irish, then let the Darwinian economics of the market let both the dumb borrowers and dumb lenders go to the wall. Their stupidity is expelled from the system and the capital vultures pick the bones of what remains.</p><p>What Germany wants is all the benefits and none of the pain of the euro. The really crazy thing is we know what will happen if Greece defaults and leaves the euro. If Greece were to leave the euro, it'd wipe out all Greek savings, send Greek/drachma inflation rocketing because of the cost of imports, but.....</p><p>But in 2 years, the economy would be competitive and rebounding, exports flying and they'd be back on the money markets. Just as Iceland is now.</p><p>Can we please stop all this old bollix about Germany writing cheques, taking the hits etc.? They're the only country not to take a hit on it so far, on either the upside or the downside. And they're not writing cheques, they're making loans that they are guaranteeing will get paid back - with interest - by enforcing austerity on other countries.</p>      </div>                        </div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by agri2001 - 16 June  2012 at 15:16</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 June  2012 at 12:34<br /><br />The Euro is probably going to go crazy on Sunday. Yeah, the FX market is open in the evening. Does anyone know what time the election results are due to be finalised? I'm betting (but fake money!) that Greece will <u><b>stay</b></u> in the Euro. After all, Germans are throwing free money at them! They would have to crazy to leave the Euro and revert back to a 3rd world (even more corrupt) country than it is now.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 16 June  2012 at 11:54<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><SPAN ='st=""'><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Having just returned from my so-called, Grand European Tour, I can empathize with some of the comments here. Brazil is a ‘difficult’ country to enjoy; the lack of infrastructure being a major impediment to progress together with Brazilian culture which can be quite tedious and certainly boring. However, in defense of the broad intention to remain in Brazil, I would cite the climate as being one of the outstanding reasons why we endure. Meanwhile, civilization is but a few flying hours away…&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></SPAN><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P></td></tr></table><BR><BR><BR>Your just above Salvador right? must be some of the best weather in Brazil, soon as you enter Bahia it really does become tropical. <BR>RJ - is good for 6 months I'd say, around now it gets dark to early and its not quite warm enough to go to the beach every day, however that does provide some versatility when it comes to fashion, being able to wear a nice jacket when out for dinner/drinks is a privilege only to be had around now.<BR><BR>Where did your G.E.T take you? always nice to get outa here some time, I start getting cabin fever after 6 months.&nbsp; <BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US></P><DIV>Many thanks for the welcome Gringo.Floripa.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></SPAN></DIV><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Boycie, the winter weather here is certainly better than the summer weather I endured when in the UK recently. The G.E.T consisted parts of France, Belgium, Luxemburg, Switzerland, and some pizza together with a few glasses of lemoncello in Italy. I would add that my ‘cabin fever’ started to kick in while my bags were x-rayed and then opened by the Gestapo at Salvador airport. Fortunately they didn’t find my stash of smoked bacon and black pudding! </DIV><DIV>On arrival home a tinge of depression was caused by a lengthy list of things electrical that had succumb to the rigors of the salty/humid climate. Dear God, how many over-priced TVs, water pumps, and light bulbs must a man buy to earn a bed in heaven? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><DIV>Meanwhile and back on topic, I’ve got to confess that I’m shedding a few tears about the demise of the Real on the exchange rate. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Cry" /><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 13:29<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br><br>So back to the economic climate... a close yesterday of USD:BRL @ 2.07, and now this morning 2.04... I'm tired of this seesaw.&nbsp; Guess we'll have to wait until Sunday, see what the results are from the voting in Greece, as to any significant movement in the forex....<br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>That seesaw that you refer to is the CB playing in the forex.<br>On one hand they say they want a weal real and on the other they play the dollar swap game.<br>5 times in the last 3 weeks. That is the reason we don't have a real at 2.10++<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 13:15<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />RJ - is good for 6 months I'd say, around now it gets dark to early and its not quite warm enough to go to the beach every day, however that does provide some versatility when it comes to fashion, being able to wear a nice jacket when out for dinner/drinks is a privilege only to be had around now.</td></tr></table><br><br><i>Nem me fala!</i>&nbsp; While I do love the distinct four seasons we have here in the south, the sun setting at 17:30 in winter is depressing!!!&nbsp; I long for the winter solstice!&nbsp; No, I'm not a pagan or druid, but that day (June 20th this year) marks increasing hours of daylight each day forward (until late Dec).<br><br>Can't recall when was the last time I sported a blazer, but it is nice to put on a warm jacket, and walk in the clean brisk air.&nbsp; Yet when I'm merely wearing a light windbreaker, the 'indigenous' are all bundled up in ski jackets, with gloves on!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>So back to the economic climate... a close yesterday of USD:BRL @ 2.07, and now this morning 2.04... I'm tired of this seesaw.&nbsp; Guess we'll have to wait until Sunday, see what the results are from the voting in Greece, as to any significant movement in the forex....<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 12:13<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Esprit</strong></em><br /><br /><p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><span =st=""><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US">Having just returned from my so-called, Grand European Tour, I can empathize with some of the comments here. Brazil is a ‘difficult’ country to enjoy; the lack of infrastructure being a major impediment to progress together with Brazilian culture which can be quite tedious and certainly boring. However, in defense of the broad intention to remain in Brazil, I would cite the climate as being one of the outstanding reasons why we endure. Meanwhile, civilization is but a few flying hours away…&nbsp;<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></span><!--?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></td></tr></table><br><br><br>Your just above Salvador right? must be some of the best weather in Brazil, soon as you enter Bahia it really does become tropical. <br>RJ - is good for 6 months I'd say, around now it gets dark to early and its not quite warm enough to go to the beach every day, however that does provide some versatility when it comes to fashion, being able to wear a nice jacket when out for dinner/drinks is a privilege only to be had around now.<br><br>Where did your G.E.T take you? always nice to get outa here some time, I start getting cabin fever after 6 months.&nbsp; <br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5731">hpeak13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 12:10<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br />I think this restlessness would happen anywhere, given the way that I <br />am. Some people said "homesickness" and I say "No, I have lived so many <br />years abroad that I feel more comfortable abroad. Spain or Italy? They <br />are both nice, but since I have spent so much time in Spain, I'm more <br />familiar with it there. HOWEVER, my life there would not have been the <br />same. The downside to Brazil is that travelling is that Brazil <br />is so big; gas is relatively expensive to its size; roads are dangerous <br />outside of the south. Unless you pony up some major cash, any car that <br />you will buy is somewhat of a death trap on highways, especially due to <br />the large overloaded trucks in some areas.</td></tr></table>SB, sounds like you need a vacation!  I believe you still have kids at home, right?  Certainly, there are in-laws who can take care of them for a few days or a week.  Take the Mrs and GO SEE a part of Brasil you've never visited!  I hear ya on the driving distances, and the adrenalin produced by journeys by car (far from relaxing), so head to BH and grab a flight.  With companies like Avianca, Webjet, Trip (and occasionally Gol/Varig), reasonably priced flights can be had.I love Spain; it has many beautiful features, both urban and rural.  But it was the vast and largely untamed natural beauty of Brasil, which was one of the principle draws, for me, to decide to live here.  It would literally take a lifetime to see it all!  I've seen a lot already, but in reality, I've barely scratched the surface.<strong>BTW... Welcome back Esprit!!!</strong></td></tr></table> <br /><br />ya spongey, grab a flight up here to Parauapebas.....I'll give you a grand tour (it'll take about half an hour)]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 12:00<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I think this restlessness would happen anywhere, given the way that I am. Some people said "homesickness" and I say "No, I have lived so many years abroad that I feel more comfortable abroad. Spain or Italy? They are both nice, but since I have spent so much time in Spain, I'm more familiar with it there. HOWEVER, my life there would not have been the same. <br><br>The downside to Brazil is that travelling is that Brazil is so big; gas is relatively expensive to its size; roads are dangerous outside of the south. Unless you pony up some major cash, any car that you will buy is somewhat of a death trap on highways, especially due to the large overloaded trucks in some areas.</td></tr></table><br><br>SB, sounds like you need a vacation!&nbsp; I believe you still have kids at home, right?&nbsp; Certainly, there are in-laws who can take care of them for a few days or a week.&nbsp; Take the Mrs and GO SEE a part of Brasil you've never visited!&nbsp; I hear ya on the driving distances, and the adrenalin produced by journeys by car (far from relaxing), so head to BH and grab a flight.&nbsp; With companies like Avianca, Webjet, Trip (and occasionally Gol/Varig), reasonably priced flights can be had.<br><br>I love Spain; it has many beautiful features, both urban and rural.&nbsp; But it was the vast and largely untamed natural beauty of Brasil, which was one of the principle draws, for me, to decide to live here.&nbsp; It would literally take a lifetime to see it all!&nbsp; I've seen a lot already, but in reality, I've barely scratched the surface.<br><br><b><br>BTW... Welcome back Esprit!!!</b><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 10:47<br /><br />I stay because I make more money here. Maybe with an MBA I could use it in the US, since that's where it's from, and "maybe" make more money, but I wouldn't bank on it...<br><br>Also, American culture is "too touchy" for my tastes. How many things exist in Brazil that people don't care about or talk about, but in other countries, especially to the one to the north, they pay much attention to it, and give too much weight to it?<br><br>BTW - I worked for a couple of Fortune 500 companies and I didn't like it. The whole "corporate" etiquette and back-stabbing isn't my style.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6414">Esprit</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 10:15<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN =st><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US>Having just returned from my so-called, Grand European Tour, I can empathize with some of the comments here. Brazil is a ‘difficult’ country to enjoy; the lack of infrastructure being a major impediment to progress together with Brazilian culture which can be quite tedious and certainly boring. However, in defense of the broad intention to remain in Brazil, I would cite the climate as being one of the outstanding reasons why we endure. Meanwhile, civilization is but a few flying hours away…&nbsp;<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></SPAN><?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 15 June  2012 at 07:41<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Grads</strong></em><br /><br /><br>You may be off topic,SB, but the general sentiment you express might describe the feelings of more gringoes than one would think...although my European preference would be Italy instead of Spain. Still, it is not bad to be set for life in Brasil, no?</td></tr></table><br><br>I think this restlessness would happen anywhere, given the way that I am. Some people said "homesickness" and I say "No, I have lived so many years abroad that I feel more comfortable abroad. Spain or Italy? They are both nice, but since I have spent so much time in Spain, I'm more familiar with it there. HOWEVER, my life there would not have been the same. Years ago, Spain had a program like Paraguay's, if my memory serves me correctly. You could deposit $60,000 USD in a bank and get a visa to live there that way.<br><br>The downside to Brazil is that travelling is that Brazil is so big; gas is relatively expensive to its size; roads are dangerous outside of the south. Unless you pony up some major cash, any car that you will buy is somewhat of a death trap on highways, especially due to the large overloaded trucks in some areas.<br><br>Now back on topic: A very strong principle that I live by is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressi&#111;n_toward_the_mean" target="_blank">regression to the mean </a>or as they say in the link "regression to mediocrity". Germany is a real powerhouse. Their productivity is very impressive. BUT given this "law", German productivity will be "averaged" by the lazy countries' productivity. It almost HAS to be that way. When the US was printing money, the Euro would have gone to 10:1 USD had they not highlighted this "crisis". So I think that Greece and Spain are in the Euro to stay, long-term. This same principle applies to Brazil. Brazil had above-average interest rates for a long time. Now we are finally seeing things go lower. If it's too good to last, it usually doesn't.<br><br>This paradox is really quite intriguing because it applies to everything. It's all around us. I could point to 10,000 examples of this. Another one I use almost every day is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_razor" target="_blank">Occam's Razor</a>. This has nothing to do with exchange rates, but it has always worked for me. When Brazilians are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, I just look for the simplest most direct solution.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 22:27<br /><br />No way could live in a small town in Brazil - Zona Sul Rio is bad enough! its like a village for us living here.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ouch" /><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Boycie - 14 June  2012 at 22:30</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8468">Grads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 20:42<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> - off topic somewhat, but Brazil is boring at least if you live in the interior, in a smallER town. I see the same freakin people every day. If I go to the buteco, the conversations are always about the same things (high taxes and politicians that steal). The food is very boring. My wife bought me a pão de mel the other day. Oh wow.. I've had those 10.000 times. Brazil is also so big  that it takes hours and hours and hours to go anywhere. In Spain, you can hop in a car and reach Madrid in around 6 hours from any one point (except the territories and islands, of course). My life is pretty much set up in Brazil.. but I'm bored as hell. Maybe I need to find some new girlfriends to <strike>complicate my life</strike> add some spice.Still, even though I personally think Spain is better (for several reasons), I still think I'm better off here, especially given the employment situation there.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />You may be off topic,SB, but the general sentiment you express might describe the feelings of more gringoes than one would think...although my European preference would be Italy instead of Spain. Still, it is not bad to be set for life in Brasil, no? ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 19:43<br /><br />I'm really starting to think that GringoDude/Kurtz/Expat - seems like same kind of "fly off the handle" style. Real American, Canadian, or whatever...<br><b><br>Gringo.Floripa</b> - off topic somewhat, but Brazil is boring at least if you live in the interior, in a smallER town. I see the same freakin people every day. If I go to the buteco, the conversations are always about the same things (high taxes and politicians that steal). The food is very boring. My wife bought me a pão de mel the other day. Oh wow.. I've had those 10.000 times. Brazil is also so big&nbsp; that it takes hours and hours and hours to go anywhere. In Spain, you can hop in a car and reach Madrid in around 6 hours from any one point (except the territories and islands, of course). My life is pretty much set up in Brazil.. but I'm bored as hell. Maybe I need to find some new girlfriends to <strike>complicate my life</strike> add some spice.<br><br>Still, even though I personally think Spain is better (for several reasons), I still think I'm better off here, especially given the employment situation there.<br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 14 June  2012 at 19:47</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa  Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 13:18<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />...try finding that in Lapa.Rio or any historical part of a Brazilian town.</td></tr></table><br><br>At best, you'll find pasteis, coxinhas, or if you're lucky, frango à passarinho no alho (all served with Skol)....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>Back on the forex topic... pay attention to this!&nbsp; <a href="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/electi&#111;n-apocolyse-greeks-stock-up-&#111;n-canned-food/story-e6frfm30-1226395368597" target="_blank">Greeks Hoard Canned Food</a><br><br>From article:&nbsp; "Bankers said daily withdrawals from the major banks were hitting €500-€800 million ($631.8 million-$1.01 billion)"<br><br>Expect currency controls to be implemented, should this trend continue.&nbsp; When that happens, there will be a domino effect, and the Eurozone FUBAR!<br><br>Panicked investors (foolishly) run back to Tio Sam's T-bills, and the Real then goes to 3.0, maybe even 4.0&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br><b>Her`s an interesting article to the bank run that you mentioned along with the quoted paragraph which I found interesting.</b><br><br>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18436777<br><br><span ="cross-">Automated bailout</span>	      <p>If Greece does face a bank run, it will be historically quite rare.</p>        <p>When a Greek removes 1,000 euros from his or her account, the bank borrows the money from the Greek central bank.</p>        <p>What is unique is that the Greek central bank then automatically borrows that same 1,000 euros from the European Central Bank via the Target2 payments system used to settle cross-border transactions in the eurozone.</p>        <p>In other words, the run on the Greek banks is being financed by the rest of the eurozone. Every 1,000 euros withdrawn from the Greek banks increases the ECB's exposure to an eventual euro exit by Greece by precisely 1,000 euros.</p>        <p>To repeat, this happens automatically, as part of the ECB's payments system. It has nothing to do with the country's much-reported rescue loans.</p>        <p>The Greek central bank has already borrowed more than 100bn euros this way.</p><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=826">SteelRat</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 13:03<br /><br />Gringodude: Abusive post deleted and account suspended, following final warning.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 10:49<br /><br /><div></div>Still nothing about Brazil. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" /><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 14 June  2012 at 15:19</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=7283">Fortaleza-Newf</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 01:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />...try finding that in Lapa.Rio or any historical part of a Brazilian town.</td></tr></table><BR><BR>At best, you'll find pasteis, coxinhas, or if you're lucky, frango à passarinho no alho (all served with Skol)....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><BR><BR>Back on the forex topic... pay attention to this!&nbsp; <a href="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/electi&#111;n-apocolyse-greeks-stock-up-&#111;n-canned-food/story-e6frfm30-1226395368597" target="_blank">Greeks Hoard Canned Food</A><BR><BR>From article:&nbsp; "Bankers said daily withdrawals from the major banks were hitting €500-€800 million ($631.8 million-$1.01 billion)"<BR><BR>Expect currency controls to be implemented, should this trend continue.&nbsp; When that happens, there will be a domino effect, and the Eurozone FUBAR!<BR><BR>Panicked investors (foolishly) run back to Tio Sam's T-bills, and the Real then goes to 3.0, maybe even 4.0&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>I hope you are right!!!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 01:28<br /><br />Gf what about a little thing called inflation? prices may go through the roof in brasil, they make alot of things but also import as well.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 01:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />...try finding that in Lapa.Rio or any historical part of a Brazilian town.</td></tr></table><br><br>At best, you'll find pasteis, coxinhas, or if you're lucky, frango à passarinho no alho (all served with Skol)....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br>Back on the forex topic... pay attention to this!&nbsp; <a href="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/electi&#111;n-apocolyse-greeks-stock-up-&#111;n-canned-food/story-e6frfm30-1226395368597" target="_blank">Greeks Hoard Canned Food</a><br><br>From article:&nbsp; "Bankers said daily withdrawals from the major banks were hitting €500-€800 million ($631.8 million-$1.01 billion)"<br><br>Expect currency controls to be implemented, should this trend continue.&nbsp; When that happens, there will be a domino effect, and the Eurozone FUBAR!<br><br>Panicked investors (foolishly) run back to Tio Sam's T-bills, and the Real then goes to 3.0, maybe even 4.0&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 00:53<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Have never met a Rioja I didn't like!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br>I was in Seville two years ago where they have some of the best tapas bars, house Rioja €10's and tapas around €2/€4 a plate depending on which, all severed in a authentic environment, yes in a peace of well preserved history... try finding that in Lapa.Rio or any historical part of a Brazilian town.<br><br><br>Beaches??? ever been to Formentera? some of the best in the world cara, just need to know where to look.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=&#102;ormentera+beaches&amp;hl=pt&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hs=aN2&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;prmd=imvnsa&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbo=u&amp;source=univ&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=JWHZT5PEDujG6AGl4unKAg&amp;ved=0CGEQsAQ&amp;biw=1279&amp;bih=627" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?q=formentera+beaches&amp;hl=pt&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hs=aN2&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;prmd=imvnsa&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbo=u&amp;source=univ&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=JWHZT5PEDujG6AGl4unKAg&amp;ved=0CGEQsAQ&amp;biw=1279&amp;bih=627</a><br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Boycie - 14 June  2012 at 01:00</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 14 June  2012 at 00:39<br /><br /><br>Personally, I prefer Brasil... and the beaches, well, NO comparison to Spain!&nbsp; Nonetheless, when one considers the variety of cuisines Spain serves up, such as the differences of Galician from Catalan, yet all within a landmass slightly less than the size of the state of MG, it just makes the Brasilian 'food experience' (as recently commented on in another thread) slightly frustrating.<br><br>And as for wine, well, thankfully Chile and Argentina are not far away, and decent vinho can be had.&nbsp; If I was relegated to only drink "vinho nacional"... <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Dead" /><br><br>Have never met a Rioja I didn't like!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 23:40<br /><br />Relocating to Spain or Greece, that would be an interesting exchange from Brazil! ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 22:06<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />The Spanish are a nice bunch also, good food, wine, grate with kids! you've got the likes of Barcelona and Madrid if you want a proper city, and the charm of Seville and Granada.</td></tr></table><br><br>The food and wine alone make Spain a tempting place to relocate!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Thumbs%20Up" /><br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><br><div></div>I will go on some scouting trips mainly looking for a condo near Barcelona.&nbsp; If we get the Peseta, Ibiza might be a possibility.&nbsp; Let's all share what we learn from our travels...</td></tr></table><br><br>Yes, please share the info!&nbsp; And just think... the word "gringo" exists in the spanish language too.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 20:04<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />Anyways....back on topic.<BR>How many of you are planning on dipping your toes in the Spanish RE market.<BR><BR>Just curious...!!<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>I will go on some scouting trips mainly looking for a condo near Barcelona.&nbsp; If we get the Peseta, Ibiza might be a possibility. Let's all share what we learn from our travels...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 17:14<br /><br />I would only if they went back to the peseta for the following reasons,<br>Close to my native Country, went there most years as a Kid so its got a huge nostalgic appeal.<br><br>Went back two years ago and even the smell of the pine trees/vegetation made it feel like coming home. <br><br>My granddad had an apartment near the coast that was like my dream pad!&nbsp; white marble floor, white TV, gold ashtrays.. you get the picture, he hadn't changed a thing since the late 70's when he bought it, didn't even have air con but that was all part of the charm, had a plunge pool on the balcony, drinks cabinet the works. <br><br>We used to wear all his old clothes that he'd left in the wardrobes for years and yeasr, white leather shoes, collarless t-shirts, flares.<br>He was really lucky and sold it just before the market fell in 2007, you'd have trouble getting €100k for it now. <br><br>The Spanish are a nice bunch also, good food, wine, grate with kids! you've got the likes of Barcelona and Madrid if you want a proper city, and the charm of Seville and Granada.<br><br>Such a pity they are so bankrupt and suffering with no jobs. <br>Also having spent many a Birthday on the white island of Ibiza, Spain has a special place in my heart.<br>&nbsp;<br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Boycie - 13 June  2012 at 21:41</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 16:45<br /><br />I plan to make a visit]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 16:43<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br /><br>How many of you are planning on dipping your toes in the Spanish RE market</td></tr></table><br><br>It's tempting, but no.&nbsp; Yet if I was from the UK/Europe, and had family there, rather than the US, then probably yes....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 15:36<br /><br />Anyways....back on topic.<br>How many of you are planning on dipping your toes in the Spanish RE market.<br><br>Just curious...!!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 15:12<br /><br /><br><img src="http://i46.tinypic.com/e83kaa.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 11:34<br /><br /><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: PT-BR;' lang="EN-US">Floorippa - Ican see why you might have a problem getting your head out of europe, you livethere </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-: PT-BR; mso-no-proof: yes;'><?:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shape id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f"><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Embarrassed" /> </v:shape></span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-: PT-BR; mso-no-proof: yes;'><v:shape coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f">(Edited) What does the Robert's Rules of Internet Forums say about if the <v:stroke joinstyle="miter">Forum is to do with Eggs you talk about&nbsp;toffee&nbsp;apples&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /> <v:ulas>  <v:f eqn="if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0">  <v:f eqn="sum @0 1 0">  <v:f eqn="sum 0 0 @1">  <v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2">  <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth">  <v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelHeight">  <v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1">  <v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2">  <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelWidth">  <v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0">  <v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight">  <v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0"> </v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:f></v:ulas> <v:path o:c&#111;nnect="rect" o:extrusi&#111;nok="f" gradientshapeok="t"> <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t"></o:lock></v:path></v:stroke></v:shape></span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-: PT-BR; mso-no-proof: yes;'>&nbsp;</span></p><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: PT-BR;' lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: PT-BR;' lang="EN-US">GBF - OMG! Youmean you dont live in Brazil then, </span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-: PT-BR; mso-no-proof: yes;'><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></span><span style='color: black; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: PT-BR;' lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font><span style='color: black; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; font-size: 9pt; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-: EN-US; mso-fareast-: PT-BR; mso-bidi-: AR-SA;' lang="EN-US">you say she is sliding to the left, maybe but Brazil has always beenkind of rightwing social elitist, so she could just be trying to balance things out.<div></div>Its called distributionof wealth, which could be looked upon as a leftwing stance but not extremistleftwing, lowering interest rates and&nbsp;encouraging people to buy their own homes isnt extremist leftwing,its capitalist. But we will have to see how far she goes.<div></div><div>(Edited)&nbsp;-&nbsp; Things were basically upside down here, Cars at phenomonaly high prices and more expensive than houses, a basic car costing 40,000 reas and something i considered very ordinary starting at 70k plus used, these are&nbsp;now coming down.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>The trouble with Brazil is its very corrupt,&nbsp;and havent looked at the figures&nbsp;recently but according to a friend of mine who appeared to know quite alot about the Brazilian economy so&nbsp;not my research, up until&nbsp;a couple of years ago Brazils internal debt almost cancelled out&nbsp;its GDP and the countries infrastructure was crumbling, still isnt upto that much today. They built a viaduct near the town here recently and realised it was too low, now they are having to modify it..Pffrr!! OMG!</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></span><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 13 June  2012 at 14:10</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 02:07<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Housing in most places is below 2000 levels now, if you take into considering the extremely low interest rates, it's about the cheapest it's been in 30 years to buy.</td></tr></table><BR><BR>Can't argue with you there!&nbsp; Part of me, wouldn't mind being back in the US, where I could take out a 15yr mortgage for just over 3%!!!&nbsp; And yeah, that's the ANNUAL rate, not this monthly merda they post about rates in Brasil.<BR>Yet at the end of the day (which was a little over an hour ago)... still glad I'm here, and not there.<BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Bidding wars in Southern CA where I am very happy as an owner who might swap for Spain in a year or so...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp; I am a home owner in Brazil as well over 7 years.&nbsp; Just a slight thought of selling as prices have ramped up yet the Gov is sliding very much to the left.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 01:23<br /><br /><br>And why I loved being able to make an all cash purchase in Brasil (during a great forex window, the subject of this thread).&nbsp; I no longer pay interest to anyone, for anything!&nbsp; Let them pay it to me.<br><br>EDIT:&nbsp; Yet still... 3% to buy a home.&nbsp; AMAZING!<br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 13 June  2012 at 01:25</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 01:12<br /><br />Low interest rates are great if you have no money, high interest rates are good if you have money.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 01:03<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Housing in most places is below 2000 levels now, if you take into considering the extremely low interest rates, it's about the cheapest it's been in 30 years to buy.</td></tr></table><br><br>Can't argue with you there!&nbsp; Part of me, wouldn't mind being back in the US, where I could take out a 15yr mortgage for just over 3%!!!&nbsp; And yeah, that's the ANNUAL rate, not this monthly merda they post about rates in Brasil.<br>Yet at the end of the day (which was a little over an hour ago)... still glad I'm here, and not there.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 13 June  2012 at 01:06</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 00:54<br /><br />If the markets collapse, then tbills will get even stronger.<br><br>Most markets are within their historical PE range for the earnings they're making.&nbsp; So I wouldn't expect that to happen.<br><br>Housing in most places is below 2000 levels now, if you take into considering the extremely low interest rates, it's about the cheapest it's been in 30 years to buy.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 00:49<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Those aren't even 1yr notes, they're 10yr notes getting those rates.&nbsp; Pretty insane.&nbsp;&nbsp; People just want security right now.&nbsp;&nbsp; They literally have no where else to put all their money they're making.&nbsp; Can't put it in Europe, can't put it in China, or Russia.&nbsp; Everywhere has a possibility of things changing, so these things are the best bet.</td></tr></table><br><br>So perhaps a better, more definitive term than "a bursting bubble", is "a total collapse of the markets"...?<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 00:36<br /><br />Interest rates were pretty high back in the early 80's. <br><br>That article makes it sound like there is a bubble then says probably not.&nbsp; <br><br>Those aren't even 1yr notes, they're 10yr notes getting those rates.&nbsp; Pretty insane.&nbsp;&nbsp; People just want security right now.&nbsp;&nbsp; They literally have no where else to put all their money they're making.&nbsp; Can't put it in Europe, can't put it in China, or Russia.&nbsp; Everywhere has a possibility of things changing, so these things are the best bet.<br><br>They're probably ok for now, but if the market starts getting back on track and other investments start looking good, these people will need to sell these things for a loss, or hang onto them for 10 years making way below market averages.&nbsp; When they go to sell, they need to find a buyer, and if the market is looking up, buyers might say I want 4%, not 1.6%, which means they'll have to sell them for below market value, so that the maturity of them makes up the difference. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 13 June  2012 at 00:06<br /><br /><br>So as to keep the tick and flea picker happy, back on topic:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/m&#111;ney/perfi/b&#111;nds/story/2012-06-12/b&#111;nd-market-bubble/55555756/1" target="_blank">Signs indicate Treasuries could be a bubble about to burst</a><br><br>I wasn't of significant enough age to be investing back in 1981, but 10-year T-notes yielded more than 15%???&nbsp; For real?!?&nbsp; WOW!!!&nbsp; Current rate now at 1.66%....<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 18:15<br /><br />well I am looking for now. I want get a place for about maybe 100k but we'll see how things look at years end.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 18:00<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>I think for a timeless, classic city like Barcelona, there will be little over-supply with fire-sale price tags, unless it's some clustered high-rise development on the outskirts of the city.&nbsp; The glut will undoubtedly be the assorted coastal areas further south, where Euros and Brits bought apartments as holiday getaways.<br><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I am not usually one to nit pic but is&nbsp;that Barcelona -&nbsp;Brazil by any chance? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley24.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 12 June  2012 at 18:20</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 17:00<br /><br />Classics and vacation properties.&nbsp; <br><br>The difference is that the coastal cities are bought by people not looking to rent, but have a vacation home.&nbsp; They've either paid for it up front, or are paying for it now. &nbsp; Vegas, Florida and a few other places were built up for residential growth.&nbsp; They over built and that was the problem.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>People don't need to sell those coastal properties, they can hold them for as long as they want.&nbsp; The problem is people who bought "investment" properties, they're the ones who might feel a crunch.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 16:55<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />   My Mrs was chatting to our friend, American guy living in Barcelona and has been for the last 3 years... he was saying the place does not feel like its in much of a crisis.&nbsp; For sure there are loads of unsold property but the atmosphere is certainly not one of panic, typically Latin he said.</td></tr></table><br><br>I think for a timeless, classic city like Barcelona, there will be little over-supply with fire-sale price tags, unless it's some clustered high-rise development on the outskirts of the city.&nbsp; The glut will undoubtedly be the assorted coastal areas further south, where Euros and Brits bought apartments as holiday getaways.<br><br>Though time alone will tell, what occurs will most likely be similar to the US financial/housing crisis of 2008, where places like Manhattan (timeless &amp; classic) suffered far less than a superficial place like Las Vegas.&nbsp; Also, US housing prices didn't bottom out for a good two years until after the financial meltdown, and in some regions, 'bottom' has yet to be reached.&nbsp; It might be time to start shopping in Spain, should one feel so inclined, but certainly not yet time to buy.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 12 June  2012 at 16:57</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 16:33<br /><br />My Mrs was chatting to our friend, American guy living in Barcelona and has been for the last 3 years. <br>He and his wife are actually leaving because she has just got a job in China, however he was saying the place does not feel like its in much of a crisis. <br>For sure there are loads of unsold property but the atmosphere is certainly not one of panic, typically Latin he said.<br>Not much unrest to report of right now, whether that will change or not..who knows. <br>&nbsp;<br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 15:22<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />You did notice that, now didn't you? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />In my opinion it is just a transfer of wealth to the haves and interesting how the EU gave the money to Spain and NOT to the banks directly making the Spanish working stiff responsible for the payments in case of default, which is going to occur for sure with most of them, because of their drunken speculation in the housing market.Those directors of the banks ought to be shot at a public square.Also keep in mind that the guy that wrote the article holds short positions on some of those banks as he stated.<br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Inspite of what is going on we got to make money man.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 13:38<br /><br />It will probably turn out to be a so-so plan.&nbsp; Not great, but better than letting banks blow up. <br><br>If they started injecting money directly into companies that would be pretty bad, then the EU is responsible for individual companies?&nbsp; Spain says they didn't want the money, but if their banks aren't funded correctly, that is a huge risk to the rest of the EU.&nbsp; <br><br>Net/net, no one is really happy, so it can't be that bad.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 12:48<br /><br />You did notice that, now didn't you? <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br>In my opinion it is just a transfer of wealth to the haves and interesting how the EU gave the money to Spain and NOT to the banks directly making the Spanish working stiff responsible for the payments in case of default, which is going to occur for sure with most of them, because of their drunken speculation in the housing market.<br><br>Those directors of the banks ought to be shot at a public square.<br><br>Also keep in mind that the guy that wrote the article holds short positions on some of those banks as he stated.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 12:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br /><br>This article kind of explains it a bit and read that last part concerning repossessed properties.</td></tr></table><br><br>Thanks for the link.&nbsp; Yes, the last paragraph reveals GBoF may be able to buy the Barcelona apartmet AND the house on Ibiza.&nbsp; Yet I found the opening sentence to be the most poignant: "<span id="articleText">Spain has just pulled off one of the biggest con tricks in Eurozone history".<br><br></span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 10:17<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Boycie</strong></em><br /><br />100bn euros.... anyone else find that number utterly and totally ridiculous.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br><br><br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>This article kind of explains it a bit and read that last part concerning repossessed properties.<br>So I guess a bottom still has to set in. <br><br>http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/12/spain-bailout-idUSL5E8HCCYF20120612<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 01:24<br /><br />housing and forex its all tied in bro]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 12 June  2012 at 00:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br />So we've gone from exchange rate predictions to Real estate, Hmmm, nice, get back on topic.</td></tr></table><br><br>I might be wrong, but I believe the majority of those with genuine interest in this thread/topic, have a RE purchase they might like to make, if they can get it 'on sale', via a great forex rate, or at the very least, have some funds outside of BR they would like to move into the country, and then make a RE purchase in the near future with those funds.<br><br>Anyway... AFIK, the OP is technically the only one who can actually call foul, when the thread goes off-track... according to Robert's Rules of Internet Forums.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br>Did you hear me say anything Hamster, about when YOU went waaaaaaaay off track of the topic of this thread, with your disjointed ramblings about 'xenophobia' in Brasil???&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br>Thought not.<br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 12 June  2012 at 00:11</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 June  2012 at 16:28<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br /><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Yeah you do that, see what you can prove&nbsp;to us&nbsp;today, this has gotten way of topic. Any knew larger vocab would be a bonus.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Do you mean to say vocabulary that is known or already to have been understood by the would be or but not necessarily all or any readers? <BR><BR></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><img src="http://gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 June  2012 at 13:11<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringodude</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringodude</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>BTW: Found an interesting app which focuses on <a href="http://appfinder.lisisoft.com/app/the-brazilian-ec&#111;nomy.html" target="_blank">the Brazilian economy</a>.&nbsp; <br></td></tr></table> <br><br>did you d/l it?</td></tr></table>Actually, no.&nbsp; I have a mac, but not an ifone or ipad-gee.&nbsp; My phone is android-gee, and thus far the app is only compatible with ifone/ipad-gee....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></td></tr></table> <br><br>Okay, I'll give it a go and post some interesting articles or findings I come across. I think you can take it for mac as well, so you're set! <br><br>Ipad-gee  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br><br>F-ing Shar-RIO-Shahs and their lazy 'sotaque'...</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Yeah you do that, see what you can prove&nbsp;to us&nbsp;today, this has gotten way off topic. Any knew larger vocab would be a bonus.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 11 June  2012 at 16:36</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 June  2012 at 13:10<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />The so called most exclusive property in Spain, ” Sa Fortalesa” is sold, rumors say that at the price of 40 million euro, very far away from the starting price of 120 million euros.<p>This property is located in Por of Pollensa, the place with the most class in Mallorca.</p><p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2801841783_13cba80314.jpg" height="291" width="500" border="0" alt="MALLORCA%20-" /></p></td></tr></table><br><br><b><br>Less is more.&nbsp; I'll take the "studio" terrace on Ibiza below, over that multi-level palace on Mallorca, any day! </b>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><img src="http://i50.tinypic.com/1239v7b.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>So we've gone from exchange rate predictions to Real estate, Hmmm, nice, get back on topic. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 June  2012 at 01:23<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringodude</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br />BTW: Found an interesting app which focuses on <a href="http://appfinder.lisisoft.com/app/the-brazilian-ec&#111;nomy.html" target="_blank">the Brazilian economy</a>.  <br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />did you d/l it?</td></tr></table>Actually, no.  I have a mac, but not an ifone or ipad-gee.  My phone is android-gee, and thus far the app is only compatible with ifone/ipad-gee....  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />Okay, I'll give it a go and post some interesting articles or findings I come across. I think you can take it for mac as well, so you're set! <br /><br />Ipad-gee  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />F-ing Shar-RIO-Shahs and their lazy 'sotaque'...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 June  2012 at 00:33<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br />The so called most exclusive property in Spain, ” Sa Fortalesa” is sold, rumors say that at the price of 40 million euro, very far away from the starting price of 120 million euros.<p>This property is located in Por of Pollensa, the place with the most class in Mallorca.</p><p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2801841783_13cba80314.jpg" height="291" width="500" border="0" alt="MALLORCA%20-" /></p></td></tr></table><br><br><b><br>Less is more.&nbsp; I'll take the "studio" terrace on Ibiza below, over that multi-level palace on Mallorca, any day! </b>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><img src="http://i50.tinypic.com/1239v7b.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 11 June  2012 at 00:28<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringodude</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br>BTW: Found an interesting app which focuses on <a href="http://appfinder.lisisoft.com/app/the-brazilian-ec&#111;nomy.html" target="_blank">the Brazilian economy</a>.&nbsp; </td></tr></table> <br><br>did you d/l it?</td></tr></table><br><br>Actually, no.&nbsp; I have a mac, but not an ifone or ipad-gee.&nbsp; My phone is android-gee, and thus far the app is only compatible with ifone/ipad-gee....&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : amen indeed I can wait to snap...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 June  2012 at 21:11<br /><br />amen indeed I can wait to snap up something on the cheap.<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 June  2012 at 20:43<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br />&#091;QUOTE=agri2001&#093;<div>&nbsp;Spain will leave the Euro and issue Pestas. Greece will bring back the Dracma. I will get a nice condo near Barcelona or a farmhouse in the countryside with a bunch of olive/orange trees. Cool. Might even go for a beach house in Ibiza. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></div></td></tr></table><br><br><br>Amen.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by agri2001 Sold The...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 June  2012 at 19:05<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br /><H2 ="title">Sold</H2><P>The so called most exclusive property in Spain, ” Sa Fortalesa” is sold, rumors say that at the price of 40 million euro, very far away from the starting price of 120 million euros. </P><P>This property is located in Por of Pollensa, the place with the most class in Mallorca.</P><P>@GBF I guess you missed out on this opportunity of a 70%+ haircut on a choice RE <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><BR></P><P><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2801841783_13cba80314.jpg" height="291" width="500" border="0" alt="MALLORCA%20-" /></P></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>70% off? Hey magnificient! China hardlanding is coming as mentioned several times in this weeks Barron's. So we have global commodity prices falling bigtime taking down the Real to 3 and above since the flood of easy money selling commodities is over. Brazil will become affordable again. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I see the Europe problem lasting a very long time. Real Estate in Spain will get much cheaper and stay cheap for years. Most youths stay living with parents often living off Grandma's pension. No thought of work or buying anything. No money as well. Spain will leave the Euro and issue Pestas. Greece will bring back the Dracma. I will get a nice condo near Barcelona or a farmhouse in the countryside with a bunch of olive/orange trees. Cool. Might even go for a beach house in Ibiza. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 10 June  2012 at 19:08</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 June  2012 at 14:13<br /><br /><h2 ="title">Sold</h2><p>The so called most exclusive property in Spain, ” Sa Fortalesa” is sold, rumors say that at the price of 40 million euro, very far away from the starting price of 120 million euros.</p><p>This property is located in Por of Pollensa, the place with the most class in Mallorca.</p><p>@GBF I guess you missed out on this opportunity of a 70%+ haircut on a choice RE <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br></p><p><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2801841783_13cba80314.jpg" height="291" width="500" border="0" alt="MALLORCA%20-" /></p><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by agri2001 - 10 June  2012 at 14:18</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 June  2012 at 12:22<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br />Not only is it absurdly ridiculous, just you wait... it will be like water poured on to sand....BTW: Found an interesting app which focuses on <a href="http://appfinder.lisisoft.com/app/the-brazilian-ec&#111;nomy.html" target="_blank">the Brazilian economy</a>.  <br /><br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />did you d/l it?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 10 June  2012 at 11:59<br /><br /><br>Not only is it absurdly ridiculous, just you wait... it will be like water poured on to sand....<br><br>BTW: Found an interesting app which focuses on <a href="http://appfinder.lisisoft.com/app/the-brazilian-ec&#111;nomy.html" target="_blank">the Brazilian economy</a>.&nbsp; <br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 10 June  2012 at 12:01</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 20:49<br /><br /> 100bn euros.... anyone else find that number utterly and totally ridiculous.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 20:47<br /><br />			 		        	    		  <span ="story-date">    <span ="date"></span></span><br><h1 ="story-er">Spanish banks to get up to 100bn euros in rescue loans</h1>                           				                	 <div ="videoInStoryC">    <div style=": relative; cursor: pointer; height: 180px;" id="emp-18382398-85376" ="emp"><img src="http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60804000/jpg/_60804424_jex_1430829_de27-1.jpg" height="180" width="320" border="0" /></div>                       					<div id="bbccom_compani&#111;n_18382398" ="  bbccom-advert bbccom_visibility_ bbccom_compani&#111;n">							</div>					                      	        				<p ="capti&#111;n">Luis de Guindos says Spain has agreed to officially request assistance, but denies this is a bailout</p></div><p ="introducti&#111;n" id="story_c&#111;ntinues_1">Spain is to get up to 100bn euros ($125bn; £80bn) in loans from eurozone funds to try to help shore up its struggling banks. </p>        <p>The move was agreed during emergency talks with eurozone finance ministers. </p>        <p>Spain's Economy Minister Luis de Guindos said his country would shortly make a formal request for assistance. </p>        <p>He emphasised that the help would be for the financial system, not the economy as a whole. "This is not a rescue," he said.</p>        <p>"This is a loan which is given in very favourable conditions, which will be determined in the next few days. But they are very favourable - much more favourable than the market ones," Mr de Guindos told a news conference.</p>        <p>The Spanish government had been reluctant to ask for a bailout like the one given to Greece, Ireland and Portugal, as these rescue packages came with demands for spending cuts and stringent spending cuts. </p>  <div ="story-feature wide ">	<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18382659#story_c&#111;ntinues_2" target="_blank"></a>		<h2>Analysis</h2>			<div ="byline">		<span ="byline-picture"><img src="http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57930000/jpg/_57930226_pastedgraphic-1.jpg" border="0" alt="image%20of%20Tom%20Burridge" /></span>		<span ="byline-name">Tom Burridge</span>	<span ="byline-title">BBC News, Madrid</span>	</div>		      <p>Most analysts and experts would say this is a bailout. It is different to the bailouts of Greece and Portugal and Ireland: it's not going to have such strict conditions and the money is going to be directed via the Spanish government using Frob &#091;Fund for Orderly Bank Restructuring&#093; - which is essentially a bank restructuring fund that exists here in Spain.</p>        <p>But it is a government institution, so the debt is going to be on the Spanish government's books. It is money that will be directed towards troubled Spanish banks, banks that lent heavily during the construction boom here - of course, the property market crashed and the loans turned bad.</p>        <p>Up to the last moment, Spain was at least refusing comment, with some ministers at times denying that Spain was going to go for a bailout. The impression we get is that Spain has been led by the hand slightly and at least sped up in the process of asking for help from abroad.</p>  		</div>      <p id="story_c&#111;ntinues_2">Mr de Guindos said there would be conditions attached for the banks receiving the loans, but there would not be "micro-economic conditions" for Spain. </p>        <p>"We hope that as a result of these injections &#091;of capital&#093; families and companies will have more solvent banks which are able to offer them credit, which they are not able to do at the moment," he said. </p>  <span ="cross-">'Unprecedented'</span>	      <p>The exact amount that Spain will receive will be decided after the completion of two audits of its banks, due to be completed by the end of the month. </p>        <p>A team comprising staff from the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund will head to Madrid to assess the needs of the Spanish banking sector, a Eurogroup spokesman confirmed to the BBC.</p>        <p>The money will bolster the finances of Spain's weakest banks, which have been left with billions of euros worth of bad loans because of the collapse of the country's property boom and the recession that followed. </p>        <p>Some of them borrowed large amounts on the international markets to lend to developers and homebuyers, a riskier strategy than funding it with deposits from savings. </p>  <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18382659#story_c&#111;ntinues_3" target="_blank"></a><div id="ec&#111;nomy_glossary" ="story-feature wide">		<div ="glossary_er">			<div ="title">Crisis jargon buster</div>			<div ="">				<div ="instructi&#111;ns">Use the dropdown for easy-to-understand explanations of key financial terms:</div>				<>					<label>Capital</label>														</>			</div>		</div>				<div ="glossary_definiti&#111;n">			<div ="definiti&#111;n_title">Capital</div>			<div ="definiti&#111;n_">For investors, it refers to their stock of wealth, which can be put to work in order to earn income. For companies, it typically refers to sources of financing such as newly issued shares.<br>For banks, it refers to their ability to absorb losses in their accounts. Banks normally obtain capital either by issuing new shares, or by keeping hold of profits instead of paying them out as dividends. If a bank writes off a loss on one of its assets - for example, if it makes a loan that is not repaid - then the bank must also write off a corresponding amount of its capital. If a bank runs out of capital, then it is insolvent, meaning it does not have enough assets to repay its debts.</div>		</div>				<div ="glossary_footer">			<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15060411" target="_blank">Glossary in full</a>		</div></div>      <p id="story_c&#111;ntinues_3">When the credit crunch hit, Spain's financial sector was plunged into what the IMF has described as an "unprecedented" crisis. </p>        <p>Banks need to offload some 200,000 repossessed properties at a time when house prices have fallen by 25% on average. </p>        <p>The government has already put 34bn euros into the banking system to try to strengthen it, according to the IMF. In addition, it has recently nationalised Bankia, its fourth largest bank, which last month requested 19bn euros. </p>        <p>Spain was keen to ensure that any external assistance went directly to its banks, rather than to the central government. </p>        <p>As a result, the loans will go to its bank restructuring agency, called Frob.  But this would still considered state debt, Mr de Guindos said. </p>        <p><a href="http://www.c&#111;nsilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ecofin/130778.pdf" target="_blank">The Eurogroup said</a> "the Fund for Orderly Bank Restructuring, Frob, acting as agent of the Spanish government, could receive the funds and channel them to the financial institutions concerned. The Spanish government will retain the full responsibility of the financial assistance". </p>        <p>The money will come from two funds created to help eurozone members in financial distress. They are the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) and the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), which enters into force next month. </p>        <p>The European Commission welcomed the move.</p>        <p>"With this thorough restructuring of the banking sector, together with the on-going determined implementation of structural reforms and fiscal consolidation, we are certain that Spain can gradually regain the confidence of investors and market participants," Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and Vice President Oli Rehn <a href="http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesActi&#111;n.do?reference=MEMO/12/436&amp;&#102;ormat=HTML&amp;aged=0&amp;language=EN&amp;guiLanguage=en" target="_blank">said in a statement</a>. </p>        <p>Meanwhile, US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner described the developments as "important for the health of Spain's economy and as concrete steps on the path to financial union, which is vital to the resilience of the euro area".</p>  	<table ="-table"><colgroup>			<col width="1*">			<col width="1*">			<col width="1*">			<col width="100%">	</colgroup>																						<t>			<tr ="ing">						<th colspan="4" ="left">			<h2>Eurozone debt crisis bailouts							</h2>					</th>		</tr>												<tr ="coling">						<th ="left">			Who					</th>			<th ="left">			When					</th>			<th ="left">			How much					</th>			<th ="left">			Main problem					</th>		</tr>																			</t>														<t>			<tr>						<td ="left">			<span style="width:144px" ="capti&#111;n">  <img src="http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60804000/jpg/_60804825_014893535-1.jpg" height="81" width="144" border="0" alt="Spanish%20flag%20and%20Bankia%20branch" />  </span>      <p><strong>Spain</strong></p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>June 2012</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>Up to 100bn euros</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17549970" target="_blank">Some banks borrowed large amounts to lend out,</a> feeding a property boom. The credit crisis and recession meant billions of euros worth of loans could not be repaid</p>  					</td>		</tr>												<tr ="row2">						<td ="left">			<span style="width:144px" ="capti&#111;n">  <img src="http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60799000/jpg/_60799700_014790871-1.jpg" height="81" width="144" border="0" alt="Greece%20flag" />  </span>      <p><strong>Greece</strong></p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>May 2010 and March 2012</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>110bn and 130bn euros. Private lenders also wrote off debt</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13798000" target="_blank">Greece borrowed large amounts</a> for public spending. The financial crisis, combined with deep-seated problems such as tax evasion, left it with massive debts</p>  					</td>		</tr>												<tr>						<td ="left">			<span style="width:144px" ="capti&#111;n">  <img src="http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60798000/jpg/_60798321_014978877-1.jpg" height="81" width="144" border="0" alt="Portugal%20flag" />  </span>      <p><strong>Portugal</strong></p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>May 2011</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>78bn euros</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13275470" target="_blank">High government spending</a> and a weak, uncompetitive, economy built up debts it could not pay back</p>  					</td>		</tr>												<tr ="row2">						<td ="left">			<span style="width:144px" ="capti&#111;n">  <img src="http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/60798000/jpg/_60798325_010279520-1.jpg" height="81" width="144" border="0" alt="Irish%20flag" />  </span>      <p><strong>Republic of Ireland</strong></p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>November 2010</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>85bn euros</p>  					</td>			<td ="left">			      <p>Like Spain, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11766346" target="_blank">a property crash plunged the "Celtic Tiger" </a>economyinto recession, saddling its banks, which had leant big to developers and homebuyers, with huge losses</p><p><br></p></td></tr></t></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 19:06<br /><br />Realistically, something has to be done with the euro to make it viable. &nbsp; <br><br>Germany feels like it's helping out all these lazy countries from the average citizens point of view.&nbsp; So anyone who gives in, will be committing political suicide over there.&nbsp; <br><br>Most likely they will need to induce inflation in Germany and other strong countries, so that the currency weakens in those countries that need a weaker currency (Spain/Greece).&nbsp; That way Germans will feel they aren't paying anything, yet the others will get the help they need.&nbsp; That will take some time to do though.<br><br>Spain/Greece could leave, and that will secure the Euro for awhile, and their currencies will be allowed the inflation necessary to fix their respective countries.&nbsp; <br><br>At that point, there will be some good real estate deals, but not for long.&nbsp; Probably 6-9 months, until investors jump in and prop up the property values.&nbsp; If you were going to buy, I would wait until properties start recovering.&nbsp; Don't try and guess the bottom, miss out on the bottom, pay 20% more, and buy on the upswing.&nbsp; You'll still get an awesome deal.<br><br><br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 19:03<br /><br />Greed is wrong and bad.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 18:57<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />I still think the market has not bottomed out as yet.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />I agree, the hysteria has yet to find even its climax. Thus, we shall wait and see. I can only imagine the delights that await once a bottom is hit. I feel sorry for them, but as it was stated earlier "greed isn't always good". <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 18:53<br /><br />I still think the market has not bottomed out as yet.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 18:36<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringodude</strong></em><br /><br />Is anyone seriously considering buying up and Grespain properties?</td></tr></table><br><br>I am looking at two, that I saw on my last trip, going back in late July for biz and fly to Barci and probably buy both of them ( if still available ) if not will look again at whats available<br><br>Also looking at Greece, lots of bargains coming up there also. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Big%20smile" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 18:22<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />I saw decent properties slashed by 59% something that was 300 is now 121. one word sustainability</td></tr></table> <br /><div></div>Is that in Spain?</td></tr></table> <br /><br />yes it is. I saw a decent 2 bedroom for 40 k as well. I am waiting for ibiza to get to maybe 120-200 euro, then maybe i will bite.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 14:27<br /><br />Is anyone seriously considering buying up any Grespain properties? <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringodude - 09 June  2012 at 18:38</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 14:05<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />I saw decent properties slashed by 59% something that was 300 is now 121. one word sustainability</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Is that in Spain?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 13:03<br /><br />I saw decent properties slashed by 59% something that was 300 is now 121. one word sustainability]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6955">Squiddie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 12:39<br /><br />It's what always happens in a boom time. Everyone who can afford something sees the trains leaving the station. You see the price charts that keep increasing at increasing slope and you go "how am I going to afford anything if I wait!". And there are those "advisors" who say you should jump on the big movers (talking about stocks now, like people buying AAPL a few months ago, or CSX a year ago when everyone was talking about Warren Buffet's portfolio.) In some way it is like that now with real estate in Brazil's population centers, especially Rio. And it was like that with the BRL in the last year. You get the sense the Brazil train is leaving the station and you have to jump on at all cost or else miss it. I had the same thing in Mumbai 7-5 years ago, was interested and saw 20% year over year increases, got that same feeling. Bubble territory. And gold is in a bubble too.<br /><br />I wonder now, whether increasing rates and the feeling of having to jump on or be too late are a sign of bubble, and suggest walking away and stay long in cash for a few years. I would not buy in Rio, I wait for the bubble burst. Thanks for the references to Europe, this looks very appealing for a European expat. If you are right and Spain breaks away from the Euro, then in a year or so would be the time to buy, or by all means, if you don't have to buy Euros first, then buy now.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 09 June  2012 at 00:57<br /><br />this sh*t always happens when people get greedy. Reasonable profits reasonable. No one believes in sustainable development any more.<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> I pity the folks who bought these properties at ridiculous prices  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by frank4000 - 09 June  2012 at 01:26</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=9028">Boycie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 19:51<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonVito</strong></em><br /><br />This crap is way off topic, and something that most of us don't want to waste our time reading.&nbsp; I'm all for reading your thoughts on what you think will happen economically, here in Brasil. Anything else, please take it to the "testosterone thread".</td></tr></table><br><br>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/06/06/the-great-european-bank-run/" target="_blank">The (soon to come) Great European Bank Run</a><br><br><br>@GBoF... forget the Barcelona apartment... go for that cliffside house on Ibiza!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br></td></tr></table> <div>&nbsp;Ibiza! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />Yes that is where I would love to have a nice place to enjoy life...</div><div>Fun to think what a fistfull of Pesetas might do while in freefall....<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp;Next trip will be Barceona one week/Ibiza one week. This would be an quick exploratory mission...I like the idea of a condo in Bracelona and a beach house on Ibiza...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /></div><div><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm&#111;ns/f/fc/Cala_Bassa_%28Ibiza%29_%28190295961%29.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm&#111;ns/thumb/f/fc/Cala_Bassa_%28Ibiza%29_%28190295961%29.jpg/800px-Cala_Bassa_%28Ibiza%29_%28190295961%29.jpg" height="600" width="800" border="0" alt="File:Cala%20Bassa%20%28Ibiza%29%20%28190295961%29.jpg" /></a></div></td></tr></table><br><br><br>I like your style GBoF! I'd sell every thing over here and just keen a small apartment in Copacabana to also buy in Ibiza. <br><br>I really hope they leave by the end of the Summer, in the mean time have a read of this - <br><br><br>															    	    												        						            	    	    <div id="article-er">                	            	    												                        	    		    	    	    	    					    	 	     	<div id="main-article-info">							<h1 itemprop="name">Is it time to buy a holiday home on Spain's 'Costa Catastrophe'?</h1>							<p itemprop="dei&#111;n" id="stand-first" ="stand-first-al&#111;ne" -comp&#111;nent="comp : r2 : Article : standfirst_cta">Spain's struggling banks are setting up English-language websites to sell off their property backlog. But beware: the market may still be falling</p>				  	</div>  	  	    			</div><div id="main-c&#111;ntent-picture">							<img src="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Columnist/Columnists/2012/6/6/1339002308316/Feungirola-building-boom-008.jpg" height="276" width="460" border="0" alt="Feungirola%20building%20boom" />										<div ="capti&#111;n">In 2006, Fuengirola was typical of Spain's housebuilding boom; today there are properties where vendors have slashed the asking price by €1m. Photograph: Alamy</div>					</div>	    <div id="article--blocks">	    <p>It has been dubbed the "Costa Catastrophe". Hundreds of thousands of unsold new homes litter <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/spain" target="_blank">Spain</a>'s coastal provinces – and now the banks are finally pulling the plug on developers and selling off their stock for whatever they can get.</p><p>All the major Spanish banks have opened real estate websites (each translated into English to appeal to British buyers) to offload the new and repossessed homes on their books, promising discounts of as much as 60% off asking prices. But many experts think that prices in Spain still have further to fall and that asking prices remain a long way from reality.</p><p>Santander's Spanish <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/m&#111;ney/property" target="_blank">property</a> website, <a href="http://www.altamirasantander.com/index.jsp?lang=ES" target="_blank">Altamira</a>, promises "housing for all, at yesterday's prices". It talks of "retro prices" of less than €50,000 (£40,400), and after just a brief search we found a <a href="http://www.altamirasantander.com/buscador/ficha_inmueble_sm.jsp?c_inmueble=3261&amp;c_agencia=&amp;lang=ES&amp;limit=20&amp;maximizado_01_filt=1&amp;c_tipinm_filt=0&amp;c_tipges_filt=1&amp;c_provin_filt=46&amp;c_pobla_filt=0&amp;c_agencia_filt=&amp;maximizado_01_2_filt=0&amp;precio_min_filt=0.0&amp;precio_max_filt=0.0&amp;m2_min_filt=0.0&amp;m2_max_filt=0.0&amp;nhabitaci&#111;nes_filt=0&amp;nbanos_filt=0&amp;garaje_012_filt=0&amp;trastero_01_filt=0&amp;piscina_01_filt=0&amp;ascensor_01_filt=0&amp;a_ac&#111;ndici&#111;nado_01_filt=0&amp;calefacci&#111;n_01_filt=0&amp;terraza_01_filt=0&amp;fotos_01_filt=0&amp;videos_01_filt=0&amp;order_by=precio_venta&amp;foto_01=0&amp;total_resultados=235&amp;referencia=00063111&amp;l&#111;ngitud=&amp;latitud=&amp;ant_sig=1&amp;provincia=Valencia&amp;agencia=Aportucasa&amp;tipoinmueble=Piso&amp;referenciainmueble=00063111&amp;promoci&#111;n=&amp;c_campana_filt=0&amp;oportunidad=0&amp;proximos_01_filt=0&amp;&#111;n_sm=sm&amp;posici&#111;n_inmueble=38&amp;n=1" target="_blank">four-bedroom, two-bathroom</a> apartment in Valencia for €18,000. Mind you, it was hardly holiday home material.</p>    <span ="inline">                <img src="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/M&#079;NEY/Pix/pictures/2012/6/8/1339151019794/Calle-Camino-De-Los-Milin-001.jpg" height="310" width="220" border="0" alt="Calle%20Camino%20De%20Los%20Milinos,%20Malaga" />                			<span ="capti&#111;n" style="width: 220px;">				Calle Camino De Los Milinos, Malaga			</span>            </span><p>Many of Altamira's more interesting properties are new-builds, where the developer has got into difficulty and left the bank with scores of flats. For example, in Estepona on the Costa del Sol, the bank is trying to sell <a href="http://www.altamirasantander.com/buscador/ficha_promo.jsp?c_agencia=138&amp;lang=EN&amp;limit=20&amp;maximizado_01_filt=1&amp;c_tipinm_filt=0&amp;c_tipges_filt=1&amp;c_provin_filt=29&amp;c_pobla_filt=0&amp;c_agencia_filt=&amp;maximizado_01_2_filt=0&amp;precio_min_filt=0.0&amp;precio_max_filt=0.0&amp;m2_min_filt=0.0&amp;m2_max_filt=0.0&amp;nhabitaci&#111;nes_filt=0&amp;nbanos_filt=0&amp;garaje_012_filt=0&amp;trastero_01_filt=0&amp;piscina_01_filt=0&amp;ascensor_01_filt=0&amp;a_ac&#111;ndici&#111;nado_01_filt=0&amp;calefacci&#111;n_01_filt=0&amp;terraza_01_filt=0&amp;fotos_01_filt=0&amp;videos_01_filt=0&amp;order_by=orden_por_defecto,%20precio_orden&amp;foto_01=1&amp;codigoVideo=&amp;total_resultados=19&amp;provincia=M%E1laga&amp;agencia=Proicar%20Promotora%20Inmobiliaria%20Cardenas%20S.L.&amp;tipoinmueble=&amp;referenciainmueble=&amp;promoci&#111;n=RESIDENCIAL%20JARDINES%20ELISEOS&amp;tip_busc=1&amp;c_promo=755&amp;posici&#111;n_promoci&#111;n=5&amp;n=0&amp;tip_busc=1&amp;direcci&#111;n=&amp;tipoinmueble=&amp;referenciainmueble=" target="_blank">16 flats</a> in a development with a swimming pool 15 minutes' walk from the beach, <em>pictured left.</em> Prices for the two- and three-bed flats start at €85,456, but, tellingingly, none has yet sold. At the peak of the boom, similar properties were going for twice that price.</p><p><a href="http://www.servihabitat.com/svhPortal" target="_blank">Servihabitat</a>, the site for properties owned by La Caixa bank, tells buyers "you set the price … we'll give you an answer in 24 hours". If reports from property agents in Spain are true, buyers should put in silly offers and see if the bank bites.</p><p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/bankia" target="_blank">Bankia</a>, a collection of seven failed banks which recently sought a €19bn government bailout, sells its repossessed properties through <a href="https://www.bankiahabitat.es/inicio" target="_blank">BankiaHabitat</a>. Currently it is running an "andando a la playa" (walk to the beach) promotion offering hundreds of beachside flats and apartments starting at €39,050.</p><p>At the height of the boom in 2006, Spain built more than 760,000 homes, five times the level of housebuilding in the UK. Housing starts have since collapsed by 90% and the struggling banks can no longer "extend and pretend" the unpaid interest on the colossal loans advanced to developers.</p><p>The banks know that as they bring the property to market, prices will fall even further, so many offer 95% or even 100% loans at low interest rates so long as the buyer is willing to pay the original, inflated price. It's a gambit few believe will find many takers.</p><p>Official statistics mask the scale of price falls. The Bank of Spain says prices are 25%-30% below their peak, but estate agents say falls of 40%-50% are common in some areas.</p><p><a href="http://www.idealista.com/pagina/portada" target="_blank">Idealista</a>, Spain's equivalent to Rightmove.co.uk, says prices have fallen most in Lleida, the coastal province south of Barcelona. Meanwhile, many analysts reckon prices remain far too high and could fall substantially this year. SocGen's Michala Marcussen expects prices to fall 15% this year, while Citi's Willem Buiter believes Spain is only halfway through its price declines.</p><p>There are reports of bargain hunters flocking to Spain to buy at knockdown prices, lured by scores of websites promising ultra-cheap properties and loans. But Clare Nessling, director at Conti, an overseas mortgage specialist, warns: "Bitter experience has taught thousands of overseas property buyers that scrimping on independent legal advice can effectively cost them their holiday home. And ensure an independent valuation of the property is carried out, even if you're buying with cash. This should point out any problems  – subsidence, damp, wiring defects – and could also highlight possible boundary disputes."</p><p>Many developments were built cheaply and shoddily, with frequent reports of breaches of planning rules and licences. Buyers should also factor in high fees – typically 10% – when purchasing in Spain.</p><p>"Be very selective. Many so-called bargains are being offered at bargain basement prices because they are of poor quality and in undesirable locations," says Nessling.</p><p>"It's very easy to be pulled in by descriptions of 'cheap' or 'knockdown' prices, but you really don't want to end up with a toxic asset simply because you didn't do your homework or tried to cut corners."</p><p>Guardian Money contacted a number of estate agents around Spain, and the message was always the same: the best bargains are in the countryside, away from the beach where prices have fallen most. All were united in advising buyers that the asking prices on most websites are fantasy figures which vendors do not have a hope of achieving.</p><p>These are a few of the properties for sale which highlight price falls:</p>    <span ="inline">                <img src="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/M&#079;NEY/Pix/pictures/2012/6/8/1339151277008/Sotogrande-Costa.-001.jpg" height="154" width="220" border="0" alt="Sotogrande%20Costa." />                			<span ="capti&#111;n" style="width: 220px;">				Sotogrande, Costa del Sol			</span>            </span><p><br>• A luxurious five-bed five-bathroom house, <em> left</em>, on a 2,754 square metre plot within the prestigious Sotogrande estate at the west end of the Costa del Sol has an asking price of €2.2m but would have sold for €3m-plus at the height of the market. Details from <a href="http://internati&#111;nalsearch.savills.co.uk/" target="_blank">Savills International</a>.</p>    <span ="inline">                <img src="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/M&#079;NEY/Pix/pictures/2012/6/8/1339151716606/Finca-near-Gandesa.-001.jpg" height="161" width="220" border="0" alt="Finca%20near%20Gandesa." />                			<span ="capti&#111;n" style="width: 220px;">				Gandesa, Terra Alta			</span>            </span><p><br>• Priced at €149,000 three years ago and now with an asking price of €57,000, a two-hectare country estate with a restored three-bed bungalow, <em> left</em>, almond, olive and pine trees has been "realistically priced for a quick sale" . Details from Ebro Valley Properties  on (0034) 977 416 117.</p><p>•   A 5,500 sq m country <em>finca</em> with a three-bed, three-bathroom bungalow and swimming pool two hours from Barcelona and 15 minutes from Reus airport was on the market for €220,000 in 2007; it is now for sale at €99,000. <a href="http://www.ebrovalleyproperties.com/index.php" target="_blank">Ebro Valley Properties</a>  on (0034) 977 416 117.</p>    </div><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 18:51<br /><br />no, I would say it went from roughly 0% to 12%, because previously those who wanted employment could get it, but didn't take it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or from 100% to 88%, still not a gret number, but 88% isn't bad either.&nbsp; I suspect some of this has to do with the very low unemployment in the 2008 year range, probably people were getting jobs were they shouldn't have been.&nbsp; Being paid more than they should and now they think that is the norm and what they should get.&nbsp; <br><br>In the US when unemployment is around 6%, there are jobs everywhere.&nbsp; 6% to me, means fully employed and searching for people to fill empty positions.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 18:35<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br /><br>The graph shows that in normal years, 12% or so is probably the norm for unemployment.&nbsp; So they've gained about 12% of unemployment now.</td></tr></table><br><br>Meaning, unemployment has doubled.&nbsp; Perhaps not total doom and gloom, but certainly portentous of a possible tipping point (free fall) of the Spanish economy.&nbsp; In virtually every previous historical economic meltdown (regardless of the nation), there's usually the proverbial straw, which broke the camel's back....<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 17:32<br /><br />Well SB there selling now for 175€ lol. Housing Bubbles]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 16:18<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br /><br>@GBF I did not price out anything, that was what my friend indivated to me regarding the % price drop in housing.<br><br>But these were €250K-€350k units (at their peak) that we are talking about.<br>On another note I was traveling by car to Cordova via Jaen and at some of the small farming towns you can buy a beautiful 4 bdr house with lots of land for less then €60.000, full of olive trees, if farming is your gig..<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /><br></td></tr></table><br><br>Spain rocks. If I didn't mind travelling so much, I'd buy something there. <br><br>There used to be so many puteiros filled with Brazilian women that you could practice Portuguese virtually every night and you wouldn't forget Portuguese. At least the Spaniards have plenty of decent places to relieve stress. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 08 June  2012 at 16:23</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 14:57<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />It's also unemployment for the young, not the adults.&nbsp; The adults can help support the youth during these times.</td></tr></table><br><br>Adults as well are unemployed.&nbsp; The rate for youth (under 25 yrs of age) is astronomical, but the overall unemployment rate in Spain is still almost 25%!&nbsp; Keep in mind, unemployment rates are based on those who are out of work, yet who are <i>still looking </i>for work.<br>It does <u>not</u> include those who've given up!&nbsp; Meaning, the real rate is even higher.&nbsp; The graph below paints a dire picture for the immediate and short term future.&nbsp; Spain may well be a tipping point....<br><br>&nbsp;<br><img src="http://i47.tinypic.com/nzjfdj.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br></td></tr></table><br><br>The graph shows that in normal years, 12% or so is probably the norm for unemployment.&nbsp; So they've gained about 12% of unemployment now.&nbsp;&nbsp; The 50% of youth is included in that 12%, which probably makes up a good portion of their work force.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>I haven't dug into the numbers very far, but I'm always less doom and gloom.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also haven't looked at their culture, perhaps even during good years it's hard to get a job, but I suspect 12% is from people who don't want to work and/or are being picky.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm also not clear on how they calculate their numbers, they might be far more aggressive in counting unemployed over there, especially with better social services available, people are probably more likely to claim looking.<br><br>The youth want jobs they can go to 9-5, make a pension and good wages with probably a good amount of prestige.&nbsp;&nbsp; Instead of creating companies and making jobs themselves.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would never have guessed how much money some of these small shops and businesses make, but the prestige isn't there.&nbsp; Those guys who clean up parking lots?&nbsp; Christ, they make really good money.&nbsp; Like 4K/month for a lot, and they do a bunch of them per night.&nbsp; But it's not snazzy like media productions specialist.<br><br>Spain has plenty of room left.&nbsp; It's a matter of people realizing they need to change their views on work, and start creating their own jobs.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 11:38<br /><br />Don<div>What personal attack did i sling Don? Why dont you try following your own advice Don.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 08 June  2012 at 13:59</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6427">DonVito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 09:45<br /><br />No, you're the only one who has to prove you have any testosterone.  You were the one who started getting emotional, and slinging personal attacks.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 07:56<br /><br />&#091;So how many Euros do I need for a nice 2br apartment in Gava?&#091;/QUOTE&#093;<br><br>@GBF I did not price out anything, that was what my friend indivated to me regarding the % price drop in housing.<br><br>But these were €250K-€350k units (at their peak) that we are talking about.<br>On another note I was traveling by car to Cordova via Jaen and at some of the small farming towns you can buy a beautiful 4 bdr house with lots of land for less then €60.000, full of olive trees, if farming is your gig..<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 08 June  2012 at 00:41<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />Easy there buckeroos. I think we should wait and see if these wild predictions happen.</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Haha, Yes, exactly </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 08 June  2012 at 13:04</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 23:03<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />It's also unemployment for the young, not the adults.&nbsp; The adults can help support the youth during these times.</td></tr></table><br><br>Adults as well are unemployed.&nbsp; The rate for youth (under 25 yrs of age) is astronomical, but the overall unemployment rate in Spain is still almost 25%!&nbsp; Keep in mind, unemployment rates are based on those who are out of work, yet who are <i>still looking </i>for work.<br>It does <u>not</u> include those who've given up!&nbsp; Meaning, the real rate is even higher.&nbsp; The graph below paints a dire picture for the immediate and short term future.&nbsp; Spain may well be a tipping point....<br><br>&nbsp;<br><img src="http://i47.tinypic.com/nzjfdj.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 07 June  2012 at 23:03</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 22:24<br /><br />Easy there buckeroos. I think we should wait and see if these wild predictions happen.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 22:08<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><DIV>Right, life goes on, even when 25% of the youths have no jobs.</td></tr></table><BR><BR>Try doubling that!&nbsp; It's going to be an ugly (and possibly riot-filled) summer in Espanha....<BR><BR><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57449322/51-percent-of-spains-youth-are-unemployed/" target="_blank">Desperation, anger, grows for Spanish youth, with 51% unemployed!</A><BR><BR></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>Right, so Spain leaves the Euro, prices fall 50% and suddenly people start buying/spending money and jobs return. The same game of the Latin countries remember 10,000 Lire to the dollar? Print baby print! So we will have a chance at a flat in Barcelona at a great price about six to nine months out. Buy during the panic....And buy reais at 3.0 to 3.5 as we all know the Brazzies with the bulging suitcases buying condos in Florida know as well, the Real is really worth 3.50 or less if you factor in what Dilma and the PT is doing...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 21:26<br /><br />Desperation?&nbsp; If they were desperate they would be starting their own businesses.&nbsp; Janitorial, food stand, house cleaning.&nbsp; All very low investment ideas, but decent returns.<br><br>There might be high unemployment, but clearly they're taken care of, or they would be doing the above jobs, and more.&nbsp; <br><br>It's also unemployment for the young, not the adults.&nbsp; The adults can help support the youth during these times.&nbsp; <br><br>When you see streets filled with people like in mexico, then you know you're starting to run out of jobs.&nbsp;&nbsp; When there are no jobs, and when working on the streets creating your own job fails, then you're in a tight spot.&nbsp; <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 20:58<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><div>Right, life goes on, even when 25% of the youths have no jobs.</td></tr></table><br><br>Try doubling that!&nbsp; It's going to be an ugly (and possibly riot-filled) summer in Espanha....<br><br><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57449322/51-percent-of-spains-youth-are-unemployed/" target="_blank">Desperation, anger, grows for Spanish youth, with 51% unemployed!</a><br><br></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 07 June  2012 at 20:59</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 18:02<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by agri2001</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I was asking because I have seen a few videos or articles about Brazil "promoting" rural investment. I'll do some more checking.</td></tr></table><BR><BR>If you can find those videos/articles, and post their links SB, that would be great.&nbsp; Would be interesting to know when they were released.&nbsp; AFIK, in 2010, some additional laws were passed making foreign ownership of rural land more restrictive.&nbsp; Here in the south, many Argentines were attempting to buy up large parcels, and supposedly, the Chinese have been salivating over vast acreage of soy in GO, MT and MS....<BR><BR>So back on the forex topic... anyone have a projected date for when the Spanish banking system goes belly-up?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>As the old ladies are showing up at the banks in Greece and Spain, moving accounts en mass to Germany, soon there will be a bank holliday over the weekend, then on Sunday the Gov will roll out the Peseta as the new legal currency. Soon worth 1.5 to the Euro. Great for tourist, exports, jobs and sale of empty condos, just like when Rio was cheap 8 years ago...Time to check out condos in Barcelona soon!!!<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp;Spain to exit Euro within 90 days...Other option, Germany allows massive printing to send Euro to parity to save the banks, unlikely</td></tr></table><BR><BR>Just came back from a biz trip Portugal and Spain.<BR><BR>In Portugal I stayed in the center by Vasco de Gama shopping and I must tell you I did not see what you saw in Spain.<BR>A lot of people were shopping, based on the bags that they were carrying, and that was on a Thursday night at 10:00 PM. ( The center is open till 11:30 ).<BR><BR>A small drive outside of Barcelona Spain apartments can be had for almost 40-50% of their previous highs ( these are owned by the banks and they would be salivating to sell you one). I was looking at an area called Gava, a few blocks from the ocean. There was whole blocks of unoccupied condos available. Pretty sad sight...<BR><BR>Things can get nasty fairly soon and I am sure there will be many bargains to be had at lower prices then whats on the market now.<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV>Right, life goes on, even when 25% of the youths have no jobs.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would love to have an apartment in Barcelona that I could call home for part of the year.&nbsp; If Spain goes to the Peseta, the Real should ramp up to 3.0 really fast.&nbsp; So how many Euros do I need for a nice 2br apartment in Gava?</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5669">agri2001</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 17:33<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I was asking because I have seen a few videos or articles about Brazil "promoting" rural investment. I'll do some more checking.</td></tr></table><br><br>If you can find those videos/articles, and post their links SB, that would be great.&nbsp; Would be interesting to know when they were released.&nbsp; AFIK, in 2010, some additional laws were passed making foreign ownership of rural land more restrictive.&nbsp; Here in the south, many Argentines were attempting to buy up large parcels, and supposedly, the Chinese have been salivating over vast acreage of soy in GO, MT and MS....<br><br>So back on the forex topic... anyone have a projected date for when the Spanish banking system goes belly-up?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><br><br></td></tr></table> <div></div>As the old ladies are showing up at the banks in Greece and Spain, moving accounts en mass to Germany, soon there will be a bank holliday over the weekend, then on Sunday the Gov will roll out the Peseta as the new legal currency. Soon worth 1.5 to the Euro. Great for tourist, exports, jobs and sale of empty condos, just like when Rio was cheap 8 years ago...Time to check out condos in Barcelona soon!!!<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp;Spain to exit Euro within 90 days...Other option, Germany allows massive printing to send Euro to parity to save the banks, unlikely</td></tr></table><br><br>Just came back from a biz trip Portugal and Spain.<br><br>In Portugal I stayed in the center by Vasco de Gama shopping and I must tell you I did not see what you saw in Spain.<br>A lot of people were shopping, based on the bags that they were carrying, and that was on a Thursday night at 10:00 PM. ( The center is open till 11:30 ).<br><br>A small drive outside of Barcelona Spain apartments can be had for almost 40-50% of their previous highs ( these are owned by the banks and they would be salivating to sell you one). I was looking at an area called Gava, a few blocks from the ocean. There was whole blocks of unoccupied condos available. Pretty sad sight...<br><br>Things can get nasty fairly soon and I am sure there will be many bargains to be had at lower prices then whats on the market now.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 16:38<br /><br /><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Get over it Don, you are&nbsp;no different to anyone else and neither is GringoRude.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;Or did you mean that i am the only one with the testosterone..yes,absolutely&nbsp;correct&nbsp;<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 08 June  2012 at 01:10</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6427">DonVito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 15:52<br /><br />Gringodude, my comments were mainly directed at Amsterdam. If the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 14:45<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonVito</strong></em><br /><br />This crap is way off topic, and something that most of us don't want to waste our time reading.&nbsp; I'm all for reading your thoughts on what you think will happen economically, here in Brasil. Anything else, please take it to the "testosterone thread".</td></tr></table><BR><BR>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><BR><BR><BR><BR><a href="http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/06/06/the-great-european-bank-run/" target="_blank">The (soon to come) Great European Bank Run</A><BR><BR><BR>@GBoF... forget the Barcelona apartment... go for that cliffside house on Ibiza!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;Ibiza! <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />Yes that is where I would love to have a nice place to enjoy life...</DIV><DIV>Fun to think what a fistfull of Pesetas might do while in freefall....<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp;Next trip will be Barceona one week/Ibiza one week. This would be an quick exploratory mission...I like the idea of a condo in Bracelona and a beach house on Ibiza...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /></DIV><DIV><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm&#111;ns/f/fc/Cala_Bassa_%28Ibiza%29_%28190295961%29.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm&#111;ns/thumb/f/fc/Cala_Bassa_%28Ibiza%29_%28190295961%29.jpg/800px-Cala_Bassa_%28Ibiza%29_%28190295961%29.jpg" height="600" width="800" border="0" alt="File:Cala%20Bassa%20%28Ibiza%29%20%28190295961%29.jpg" /></A></DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 07 June  2012 at 14:55</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 13:27<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonVito</strong></em><br /><br />This crap is way off topic, and something that most of us don't want to waste our time reading.&nbsp; I'm all for reading your thoughts on what you think will happen economically, here in Brasil.  Anything else, please take it to the "testosterone thread".</td></tr></table><br><br>&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" />&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Clap" /><br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/06/06/the-great-european-bank-run/" target="_blank">The (soon to come) Great European Bank Run</a><br><br><br>@GBoF... forget the Barcelona apartment... go for that cliffside house on Ibiza!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 13:11<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I was asking because I have seen a few videos or articles about Brazil "promoting" rural investment. I'll do some more checking.</td></tr></table><BR><BR>If you can find those videos/articles, and post their links SB, that would be great.&nbsp; Would be interesting to know when they were released.&nbsp; AFIK, in 2010, some additional laws were passed making foreign ownership of rural land more restrictive.&nbsp; Here in the south, many Argentines were attempting to buy up large parcels, and supposedly, the Chinese have been salivating over vast acreage of soy in GO, MT and MS....<BR><BR>So back on the forex topic... anyone have a projected date for when the Spanish banking system goes belly-up?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>As the old ladies are showing up at the banks in Greece and Spain, moving accounts en mass to Germany, soon there will be a bank holliday over the weekend, then on Sunday the Gov will roll out the Peseta as the new legal currency. Soon worth 1.5 to the Euro. Great for tourist, exports, jobs and sale of empty condos, just like when Rio was cheap 8 years ago...Time to check out condos in Barcelona soon!!!<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp;Spain to exit Euro within 90 days...Other option, Germany allows massive printing to send Euro to parity to save the banks, unlikely</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Links... GBOF</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 12:17<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I was asking because I have seen a few videos or articles about Brazil "promoting" rural investment. I'll do some more checking.</td></tr></table><BR><BR>If you can find those videos/articles, and post their links SB, that would be great.&nbsp; Would be interesting to know when they were released.&nbsp; AFIK, in 2010, some additional laws were passed making foreign ownership of rural land more restrictive.&nbsp; Here in the south, many Argentines were attempting to buy up large parcels, and supposedly, the Chinese have been salivating over vast acreage of soy in GO, MT and MS....<BR><BR>So back on the forex topic... anyone have a projected date for when the Spanish banking system goes belly-up?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>As the old ladies are showing up at the banks in Greece and Spain, moving accounts en mass to Germany, soon there will be a bank holliday over the weekend, then on Sunday the Gov will roll out the Peseta as the new legal currency. Soon worth 1.5 to the Euro. Great for tourist, exports, jobs and sale of empty condos, just like when Rio was cheap 8 years ago...Time to check out condos in Barcelona soon!!!<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />&nbsp;Spain to exit Euro within 90 days...Other option, Germany allows massive printing to send Euro to parity to save the banks, unlikely]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 11:59<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonVito</strong></em><br /><br />This crap is way off topic, and something that most of us don't want to waste our time reading.  If you guys want to get into a pissing contest, why not do it in private messages, so that the rest of us don't have to read it.  I'm all for reading your thoughts on what you think will happen economically, here in Brasil.  Anything else, please take it to the "testosterone thread".</td></tr></table> <br /><br /><br />What the hell are you talking about? What pissing contest? <br /><br />I tell this freak to leave as well... He changed his post 5 different times in 24 hours. Watch, he'll make 7 posts in response instead of letting it go so the subject can carry on! ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6427">DonVito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 07 June  2012 at 11:36<br /><br />This crap is way off topic, and something that most of us don't want to waste our time reading.  If you guys want to get into a pissing contest, why not do it in private messages, so that the rest of us don't have to read it.  I'm all for reading your thoughts on what you think will happen economically, here in Brasil.  Anything else, please take it to the "testosterone thread".]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 15:45<br /><br /><div><a href="http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&amp;biw=1280&amp;bih=929&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=m9v3eC7Aq8_orM:&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.ultraculture.co.uk/9943-the-girl-with-the-drag&#111;n-tattoo-review.htm&amp;docid=NR51OFbr1qTBaM&amp;imgurl=http://nrich.maths.org/c&#111;ntent/id/2587/bag_of_m&#111;ney.png&amp;w=314&amp;h=402&amp;ei=ffDPT5T_L8iG0AWU08XJCw&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=418&amp;vpy=271&amp;dur=1164&amp;hovh=254&amp;hovw=198&amp;tx=148&amp;ty=205&amp;sig=109596473372258595128&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=147&amp;tbnw=115&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=33&amp;ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:89" target="_blank"><div style="bottom: 1px; display: n&#111;ne;" id="rg_ilbg"></div><div style="bottom: 1px; display: n&#111;ne;" id="rg_il"></div></a><div style="padding-left: 0px; display: n&#111;ne;" id="rg_ahol"><div></div><div style="padding: 5px;" id="rg_atxt"><div id="rg_ahlb"></div><p style="display: n&#111;ne;" id="rg_aht"></p><p style="display: n&#111;ne;" id="rg_ahr"></p><p style="display: n&#111;ne;" id="rg_ahn1"></p><p style="display: n&#111;ne;" id="rg_ahn2"></p></div></div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/search?iact=hc&amp;vpx=418&amp;vpy=271&amp;dur=1164&amp;hovh=254&amp;hovw=198&amp;tx=148&amp;ty=205&amp;sig=109596473372258595128&amp;ei=ffDPT5T_L8iG0AWU08XJCw&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=147&amp;tbnw=115&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=33&amp;ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0,i:89" target="_blank"></a>&nbsp;</div><div style="width: 198px;" id="rg_hx"></div></div><div>Wellcome to the real world. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 07 June  2012 at 16:39</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by Amsterdam Menina&#243;  Sometimes...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 15:39<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Amsterdam</strong></em><br /><br /><DIV>Meninaó</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Sometimes i ever wonder if you actually think at all trolldude. </DIV><DIV>How old did you say you were again. Oh no, thats a questions isnt it, we dont do questions on here.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></DIV><DIV>Your milk has warmed up i believe.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Which portion of the aquatic like saturation of b.s would you like to begin now? None, please! Unless,&nbsp;what you retain as&nbsp;sensible intelligence is able to conjure financial or economical input toward this subject, please go away! No one is worried about your nonesensical political rants. Nor do they care to read them. <BR><BR>Thanks, bye! </DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 15:34<br /><br /><div>Meninaó</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Sometimes i ever wonder if you actually think at all. </div><div>How old did you say you were again. Oh no, thats a questions isnt it, we dont do questions on here.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 07 June  2012 at 16:39</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 15:31<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />currencies were <u><b>UP</b></u> pretty massively against the dollar this morning. (like the EUR and AUD). Things are starting to sell off a little now.<br><br>@GF - this is what I keep saying: If I were to buy something rural, then I would most likely put it in my kids name that is Brazilian. So in that respect, I'm not really foreign. I don't know how much the rules actually help though since the PF told me most people wanting to naturalise Brazilian are Chinese. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br>@Amsterdam - geez dude.. I can't believe you're still here then. You ask too many questions. Just go get a beer and relax in the sun. <br><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Like one question<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp;&nbsp;So thats a no then.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Like i said the realities will and are coming out in the laws and how they effect us, so it just proves my point.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Just to say, i cant believe it either to be honest, a third world (in mentality)&nbsp;backward place. </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 07 June  2012 at 11:35</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 15:17<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />@Amsterdam - geez dude.. I can't believe you're still here then. You ask too many questions. Just go get a beer and relax in the sun.<BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Sometimes I wonder if you ever think before you speak (to the trolls and or in general)....</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><img src="http://gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 15:10<br /><br />currencies were <u><b>UP</b></u> pretty massively against the dollar this morning. (like the EUR and AUD). Things are starting to sell off a little now.<br><br>@GF - this is what I keep saying: If I were to buy something rural, then I would most likely put it in my kids name that is Brazilian. So in that respect, I'm not really foreign. I don't know how much the rules actually help though since the PF told me most people wanting to naturalise Brazilian are Chinese. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><br><br>@Amsterdam - geez dude.. I can't believe you're still here then. You ask too many questions. Just go get a beer and relax in the sun. <br><br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :  Originally posted by Gringo.FloripaSo...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 12:11<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br />So back on the forex topic... anyone have a projected date for when the Spanish banking system goes belly-up?!?  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /></td></tr></table> <br /><br /><br />Finally  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />Every week it's going to be the greece or spanish economy that will next ruin the world. A lot of economies in the arriving quarter are showing stagnant growth. I guess everyone is rushing to stash under their pillows.  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 11:46<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />I was asking because I have seen a few videos or articles about Brazil "promoting" rural investment. I'll do some more checking.</td></tr></table><br><br>If you can find those videos/articles, and post their links SB, that would be great.&nbsp; Would be interesting to know when they were released.&nbsp; AFIK, in 2010, some additional laws were passed making foreign ownership of rural land more restrictive.&nbsp; Here in the south, many Argentines were attempting to buy up large parcels, and supposedly, the Chinese have been salivating over vast acreage of soy in GO, MT and MS....<br><br>So back on the forex topic... anyone have a projected date for when the Spanish banking system goes belly-up?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Shocked" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 10:40<br /><br /><img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br><strong>@Amsterdam</strong> - I understand your frustration. No kidding, the a-holes in BH didn't want to transfer my foreign drivers license. After paying for trips 3 times, I gave up and went to the Brazilian driving school. And I have been driving legally since I was 15! The confusion came up because my DL didn't have an issue date. It cost me some money to do the school when I could have spent less money to get a copy of my driving record and have submitted that. But I ended up getting a motorcycle license too so I consider it to be "less" of a waste.<br><br>What I was going to tell you is that almost everything you mentioned is not representative of xenaphobia, but rather the culture of and rules of society here. God forbid, but if they expelled all foreigners from the country, now that is xenaphobia. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley37.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> It's just different here. Some things better, some things worse. If you focus on the small details that may be worse, you'll drive yourself crazy.<br><br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I like your driving licence story and you getting a motorbike licence aswell, i would try to do the same i think.</div><div>.</div><div>It depends on where you live, different areas, different opinions and experiences, an area with more gringoes, less xenophobia. Up here its very xenophobic, everywhere i go and in everything i do, its, Where are you form? How long you here? Where do you live? What do you do? And its not curiosity its like intel gathering <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>I have decided to just&nbsp;play with them&nbsp;now, i live here, i live there, I am French, German, Hungarian, Tibetian, the best one is, I am from here, Why? that really confuses them <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /></div><div>In the south i dont think you are going to get so much Xenophobia but when you come up here to the north you will see. Natal is nice and i felt quite easy there, i think maybe because the US had a military base there a while ago, i dont know and the japanese paulistas are investing there i think also.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>But where i live, very obvious Xenophobic, its because its a who you know, rather than what you know kind of place in the area i live.</div><div>And this isnt something that i think, this is something that i know and its confirmed to me by the locals also. They say, You do realise that its who you know here that can get things sorted out for you right?</div><div>Thats why people here slide upto people with authority, police, lawyer, judge, politician(best one), these are the guys who can get things sorted because the beaurocracy in the place i live is basically beyond belief and its the attitude of the people in power, control. They dont want to change that.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I dont think there is any question that Brazil is Xenophobic, some areas might be better than others and in the south when travelling in Sao Paulo I just felt i could have been in europe and people have already stated on here that Santa Caterina and&nbsp;Rio Grande do Sul,&nbsp;is just like europe in general attitudes, where as&nbsp;in the north they felt hostility towards them and uncomfortable. It is very hostile here. Its getting better but i still get looks like, What the frig are you doing here.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>So if they do decide to confiscate gringo property then your view might change on this then, is that what your saying. </div><div>The bottom line is and the question is, Are the laws in brazil changing in favour of the gringo? I am seeing no, if anything they are becomming more complicated. A gringo can never become a politcian for example and you think this isnt a Xenophobic country, are you sure. Of course it is SB.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Have you ever been to the northeast of brazil SB?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 06 June  2012 at 11:12</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 07:21<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br />Just curious Bob, but what's the interest rate on this big a$$ loan Caixa approved for you? (the annual rate, not the deceiving monthly rate, which is always advertised)As far as financing rural property, is there some sort of rural development bank in MG?  If so, AFIK, they probably won't help you with financing the actual purchase of the property, but can loan you money to help get the land productive/improved.  These loans are usually a lower interest rate than what one would pay for a standard mortgage.Also, keep this in mind... since you're still waiting on your naturalization, there will be federal rules as to the size you're permitted to buy as a foreigner (even with perm. residency), and also possibly rules in the local <em>município</em> where the land is located.  You need to find out the max number of 'modules' you're permitted to purchase, in both instances, as well as the size of a module in your region.Probably the same where you are, but here in SC a module is 20 hectares, and the max a foreigner (w/perm. rez) can buy, <em>without</em> INCRA approval is 4 modules (so 80 hectares).  Even with INCRA approval (which is most certainly a real PITA), there's still a size restriction for non-citizens.  Yet the municipal limit could actually be less.  Also, while still just a perm. resident, you will only be able to make ONE rural purchase, so choose carefully.  But once you become naturalized, you can become a land baron, and just sit on the porch of the 'big house', drinking caipirinhas.... (the Brasilian equivalent of Mint Juleps)  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />EDIT:  Found a rural development bank for you there in Minas:  <a href="http://www.bdmg.mg.gov.br/financiamentos/solucoesfinanceiras/produtorrural/Paginas/produtorrural.aspx" target="_blank">BDMG</a>EDIT #2:  Back on topic....  <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/47642499" target="_blank">Three Months to Save the Euro: George Soros</a><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />You know, I was a dummy for not asking what the rate was.  I'll try to ask the corretor next time I see him. They were dragging their feet (CAIXA) and asking for BS documents that we found other sources of funding (cash!).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I gave them a years worth of bank statements to show them that I make more than enough to pay the loan, but a caixa "bureaucrat" wanted to make it more difficult. Seriously, dealing with CAIXA is a real "Brazilian" moment like dealing with the PF.<br /><br />That's a new one for me and the rural property, being a foreigner. Ahh... it's easier just to put in the name of my kid. Technically, I have some business risk, and kids are great for this. No, <strong>Sven</strong>, I pay everything right on the card so there is no problem. But who can predict the long-term future? Not me at least.<br /><br />I was asking because I have seen a few videos or articles about Brazil "promoting" rural investment. I'll do some more checking.<br /><br /><strong>@Amsterdam</strong> - I understand your frustration. No kidding, the a-holes in BH didn't want to transfer my foreign drivers license. After paying for trips 3 times, I gave up and went to the Brazilian driving school. And I have been driving legally since I was 15! The confusion came up because my DL didn't have an issue date. It cost me some money to do the school when I could have spent less money to get a copy of my driving record and have submitted that. But I ended up getting a motorcycle license too so I consider it to be "less" of a waste.<br /><br />What I was going to tell you is that almost everything you mentioned is not representative of xenaphobia, but rather the culture of and rules of society here. God forbid, but if they expelled all foreigners from the country, now that is xenaphobia. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley37.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> It's just different here. Some things better, some things worse. If you focus on the small details that may be worse, you'll drive yourself crazy.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by spongebob - 06 June  2012 at 07:22</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 06 June  2012 at 07:00<br /><br />GBoF, ha! You already know how the Brazilian government will react if suddenly BMW's are cheaper: they will increase the IPI on imported cars, naturally!! <br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 23:46<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><BR>Whether Mr Soros is 'Kinseian', 'Keynesian', or 'Klingon', I think in considering his comments in the article where he stated, "We are at an inflection point..." (as to the continued health and survival of the Euro), we need to refresh our memory of his (alleged) role in the collapse of the Thai Baht, and the Asian economic crisis of 1997....<BR><BR>What does George know that we don't?! &nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Having been to Spain recently and seeing first hand the crisis it is clear that Spain will leave the Euro, many banks will fall, as they bought the Real and played the Brazil hype, they will be forced out and the Real will fall bigtime as the global slowdown pushes down commodity prices...George knows that the only way out for Europe is to print money to make it cheap to go there so jobs are created.&nbsp; The Euro started out sub at one to the dollar, went to 86 cents and will return to the one parity and below to stimulate trade. Then you will want to buy your BMW 30% cheaper...<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 23:12<br /><br />Well George is probably betting the other way. Looking to make a killing.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 22:31<br /><br /><br>Whether Mr Soros is 'Kinseian', 'Keynesian', or 'Klingon', I think in considering his comments in the article where he stated, "We are at an inflection point..." (as to the continued health and survival of the Euro), we need to refresh our memory of his (alleged) role in the collapse of the Thai Baht, and the Asian economic crisis of 1997....<br><br>What does George know that we don't?! &nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6427">DonVito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 21:47<br /><br />I kinda figured that... Tem um boa noite!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 21:22<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by DonVito</strong></em><br /><br />Frank, not to nit-pick, but did you mean "Keynesian", as in the economist?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Si Don Vito correcto. Isso.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5064">Gringodude</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 15:24<br /><br />hahaha certainly he must have!  No biggie!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6427">DonVito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 15:19<br /><br />Frank, not to nit-pick, but did you mean "Keynesian", as in the economist?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 14:14<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Gringo.Floripa</strong></em><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />Caixa approved my big a$$ loan, but I don't want to be saddled with huge payments; I'll just pay cash. What I wouldn't mind getting are some loans for rural property. Does anyone have any experience in this department?<br /></td></tr></table>Just curious Bob, but what's the interest rate on this big a$$ loan Caixa approved for you? (the annual rate, not the deceiving monthly rate, which is always advertised)As far as financing rural property, is there some sort of rural development bank in MG?  If so, AFIK, they probably won't help you with financing the actual purchase of the property, but can loan you money to help get the land productive/improved.  These loans are usually a lower interest rate than what one would pay for a standard mortgage.Also, keep this in mind... since you're still waiting on your naturalization, there will be federal rules as to the size you're permitted to buy as a foreigner (even with perm. residency), and also possibly rules in the local <em>município</em> where the land is located.  You need to find out the max number of 'modules' you're permitted to purchase, in both instances, as well as the size of a module in your region.Probably the same where you are, but here in SC a module is 20 hectares, and the max a foreigner (w/perm. rez) can buy, <em>without</em> INCRA approval is 4 modules (so 80 hectares).  Even with INCRA approval (which is most certainly a real PITA), there's still a size restriction for non-citizens.  Yet the municipal limit could actually be less.  Also, while still just a perm. resident, you will only be able to make ONE rural purchase, so choose carefully.  But once you become naturalized, you can become a land baron, and just sit on the porch of the 'big house', drinking caipirinhas.... (the Brasilian equivalent of Mint Juleps)  <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" />EDIT:  Found a rural development bank for you there in Minas:  <a href="http://www.bdmg.mg.gov.br/financiamentos/solucoesfinanceiras/produtorrural/Paginas/produtorrural.aspx" target="_blank">BDMG</a>EDIT #2:  Back on topic....  <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/47642499" target="_blank">Three Months to Save the Euro: George Soros</a><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br />George has very kinseian view, but he may be right.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 03 June  2012 at 09:24<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br /><br>Caixa approved my big a$$ loan, but I don't want to be saddled with huge payments; I'll just pay cash. What I wouldn't mind getting are some loans for rural property. Does anyone have any experience in this department?</td></tr></table><br><br>Just curious Bob, but what's the interest rate on this big a$$ loan Caixa approved for you? (the annual rate, not the deceiving monthly rate, which is always advertised)<br><br>As far as financing rural property, is there some sort of rural development bank in MG?&nbsp; If so, AFIK, they probably won't help you with financing the actual purchase of the property, but can loan you money to help get the land productive/improved.&nbsp; These loans are usually a lower interest rate than what one would pay for a standard mortgage.<br><br>Also, keep this in mind... since you're still waiting on your naturalization, there will be federal rules as to the size you're permitted to buy as a foreigner (even with perm. residency), and also possibly rules in the local <i>município</i> where the land is located.&nbsp; You need to find out the max number of 'modules' you're permitted to purchase, in both instances, as well as the size of a module in your region.<br><br>Probably the same where you are, but here in SC a module is 20 hectares, and the max a foreigner (w/perm. rez) can buy, <i>without</i> INCRA approval is 4 modules (so 80 hectares).&nbsp; Even with INCRA approval (which is most certainly a real PITA), there's still a size restriction for non-citizens.&nbsp; Yet the municipal limit could actually be less.&nbsp; Also, while still just a perm. resident, you will only be able to make ONE rural purchase, so choose carefully.&nbsp; But once you become naturalized, you can become a land baron, and just sit on the porch of the 'big house', drinking caipirinhas.... (the Brasilian equivalent of Mint Juleps)&nbsp; <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="LOL" /><br><br><br>EDIT:&nbsp; Found a rural development bank for you there in Minas:&nbsp; <a href="http://www.bdmg.mg.gov.br/financiamentos/solucoesfinanceiras/produtorrural/Paginas/produtorrural.aspx" target="_blank">BDMG</a><br><br><br>EDIT #2:&nbsp; Back on topic....&nbsp; <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/47642499" target="_blank">Three Months to Save the Euro: George Soros</a><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 03 June  2012 at 09:40</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 June  2012 at 17:40<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by spongebob</strong></em><br /><br />Xenaphobia - I could be wrong, but I don't really think that with Brazil. It's their country, so of course, Brazilians are always preferred. I think that's the same everywhere though. Some Brazilian laws, especially the ones that deal with foreigners, locals, and deportation rules are much more "sensible" than the laws in the US, for example.<br></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>You live in Sao (europe) Paulo right Spongey? </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Its their country so they are preferred? Meaning?</div><div>So Xenophobia is just normal is it? Compared to what or where?&nbsp;Of course not, Xenophobia is an ignorance thing. I am talking about the people aswell. Your example was what? So they bring in knew laws to make it more difficult for foreigners here. </div><div>When i first arrived here, i could drive with my UK driving licence, they kindly changed it so that i could no longer drive with my licence. Gee, that was nice of them wasnt it, i have been driving since i was 17 years old and now i have to take my Aryton Senna driving test all over again in the school of xenophobia.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Sensible, like Foreigners without residency cannot open bank accounts, even though they can buy property here and have a car, haha, you call that sensible. </div><div>Heres another great Brazilian sensible law. You own the pavement/sidewalk outside your house, so if you want it to be a meter and a half high or piled with sand or debris or actually build on it as i have seen, then&nbsp;thats your business, haha </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Do you understand anything of the politics or political corruption in Brazil? well look into it, it is a million miles from sensible.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Their favourite Tv show is Chaves, about a million years old and almost as retarded, Yesss, i rest my case.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 02 June  2012 at 20:52</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 June  2012 at 17:29<br /><br />Amsterday, IMHO, politicians here are too preoccupied with lining their pockets than pursuing Marxist ideals. Lula did that to try to distance himself from the outside crises, especially in the US in 2008 and 2010. I don't really blame him.<br /><br />Xenaphobia - I could be wrong, but I don't really think that with Brazil. It's their country, so of course, Brazilians are always preferred. I think that's the same everywhere though. Some Brazilian laws, especially the ones that deal with foreigners, locals, and deportation rules are much more "sensible" than the laws in the US, for example.<br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3185">spongebob</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 June  2012 at 17:26<br /><br />I just keep getting the feeling that Brazilians are tapped out. Cars aren't selling. Nobody in the praça has any good news to tell me. Real estate is still pricey. Some people say it's jitters from Euro crisis, but I think it's longer-term. <br /><br />Caixa approved my big a$$ loan, but I don't want to be saddled with huge payments; I'll just pay cash. What I wouldn't mind getting are some loans for rural property. Does anyone have any experience in this department?<br /><br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 June  2012 at 14:16<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Help from Dilma is a bit dangerous. The PT dominates the gov with no real opposition. If they swing more to the left, which is a real possibility, they could start re nationalizing companies and grab foreighn owned assets.&nbsp; Why do you think all foreign residents must declare all assets as Brazilian assets abroad?</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I think the true danger signs will come when she starts investing more in the military. The military police are getting alot of new shiney toys to play with here and the RFP all driving around clamping down on jay walkers and people looking&nbsp;in the wrong direction whilst driving along minding their own business.</div><div>And the&nbsp;Governor wants more police on the streets, who will only set up more roadblocks for extra tax collection duties, cus the crime levels here have been rising steadily ever since he came to office and road blocks achieve nothing according to afew&nbsp;locals that&nbsp;i have spoken with.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Brazil is a huge and diverse country though&nbsp;and the political&nbsp;aspirations&nbsp;appear to be a little contradictary if you think she is moving towards extremist socialism quasi communism. Her intention is obviously to help people get easier access to borrowing, well thats not an extremist socialist agenda, i wouldnt have thought, they want everyone on benefits and or working for the government. </div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Brazils wealth has been very unfairy distrubuted, so she has a point. Up here in the north this was a problem i had encountered&nbsp;when i first arrived here and people used it to entrap&nbsp;you in deals. All the big deals were controlled by a handful of people (mafia basically)&nbsp;who were all friends. So you were immediatley up against it. Now i am dealing with people who have gained their money in the last 6 years or so.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Some one told me or i read somewhere that something like, if i remember correctly, 80% of Brazils wealth was controlled by 10% of the population, thats pretty unbalanced and it was very prevailant up here in the northeast until a couple of years ago. Now we can see smaller (status/class)&nbsp;people making money and investing in their lives. The politicians are still stealing though and holding back on public payments.</div><div>You know the politicians who are known as Noble people in the eyes of the law...haha </div><div>Jesus christ and i thought the Sheriff of Nottingham was all a thing of the past until i moved here.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Xenophobia though is very much part of a nationalistic marxist extremist socialist fascist&nbsp;agenda though and Lula was always mentioning foreigners this and that in his speeches. Many people living in the european sector wont feel this so much i wouldnt have thought.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Your posts are very interesting though, you are obviously quite on the Ball, sorry for the pun. <img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 02 June  2012 at 17:10</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11166">Amsterdam</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 June  2012 at 12:49<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Squiddie</strong></em><br /><br />Wow, nationalization could mean that when we buy property as foreigners, they might take it all away?</td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I think Gringorude is flying his Brazilian flag at half mast on this one. lol</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Amsterdam - 02 June  2012 at 13:08</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 02 June  2012 at 01:14<br /><br />totally, copper has fallen long before this.<br><br>But you were pointing out how the euro and other items were causing commodities to fall today.&nbsp; They didn't, the market fell pretty badly and commodities hung in there.<br><br><br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 June  2012 at 22:36<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jkennedy</strong></em><br /><br />Do you look at the markets even?&nbsp; Commodities are essentially neutrual today.&nbsp; Copper is a good indicator and has a high beta value, so it moves quickly.&nbsp; Right now it's just hanging in there.</td></tr></table><br><br>It appears that copper was also "hanging in there", just prior to a melt-down not too long ago....<br><br><br><img src="http://i47.tinypic.com/1gm1j6.jpg" border="0" /><br><br><br>EDIT: Source of chart is <a href="http://www.lme.com/copper_graphs.asp" target="_blank">London Metal Exchange</a><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 01 June  2012 at 22:41</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :    Originally posted by GreatBallsoFireDon&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 June  2012 at 22:20<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GreatBallsoFire</strong></em><br /><br /><div>Don't you notice the Brazzers with the huge suitcases returning from Florida? Stories about Paulistas who have everything in the house bought abroad because prices in Brazil are double/triple. Real is set for a big fall.</div><div>&nbsp;</td></tr></table><br><br>Some 'indigenous' friends have informed me that the way they get around this absurd 7% PT tax on anything they use their BR-bank issued credit card to buy things abroad, is to plop a wad of cash (reais) onto an AmericanExpress-issued debit card (which they purchase in Brasil), which has no fee, and then they just use that for their purchases in the US (or Europe).&nbsp; I'm sure Visa and Master have the same thing.<br><br><a href="http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2012/03/20/brazilians-spending-big-bucks-in-florida/" target="_blank">This article</a> is a couple of months old, but it confirms what GBoF stated.&nbsp; I've read numerous other articles which credit Brazilians for single-handedly turning the depressed RE market around in S. Fla, particularly Miami!<br><br></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Gringo.Floripa - 01 June  2012 at 22:24</span>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 :   Originally posted by frank4000what...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6925">Gringo.Floripa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 June  2012 at 22:06<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by frank4000</strong></em><br /><br />what is the rate of inflation right now?</td></tr></table><br><br>I measure the rate of inflation in Brasil by the price of dog food (15 kilo sack).&nbsp; Right now, it seems to be holding steady (or did my supplier simply buy a huge truck load?).<br><br>Yet aside from internal economic issues in Brasil, to get the <i>povo</i> to spend, spend, spend (themselves into debt) the present movement in the forex is a combo of China, Eurozone, and US not-so-good news.<br><br>Perhaps <a href="http://www.ec&#111;nomy-news.co.uk/us-dollar-exchange-rate/1537-us-dollar-in-demand-following-n&#111;n-farms" target="_blank">this article</a> will be of interest....<br><br>]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : hmm. we will see the effects soon...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4968">frank4000</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 June  2012 at 20:28<br /><br />hmm. we will see the effects soon enough. what is the rate of inflation right now?]]>
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   <title>Exchange Rate Predictions 2012 : When Guido guarantees lower interest...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6163">GreatBallsoFire</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 June  2012 at 17:23<br /><br /><DIV>When Guido guarantees lower interest rates, Real falls as the hot money leaves. He is not only the Finance Minister, he is Chairman of Petrobras and he likes the national content laws that are bleeding Petrobras. No tax reform as PBR is losing money due to high taxes at seven dollars a gallon in Brazil. Of course he is a redshirt of the PT. Petrobras gets most financing via BNDES loans that cause inflation as a backdoor money supply flood.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Wink" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Other timebomb is the huge expense of cushy retirements of gov workers. Brazil spends heavily on retirement even with a young population.&nbsp; No fear just inflation and a new currency. Same story as always. Brazil, the de-industrialized commodity producer, China's little monkey/dumping ground carries on.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Walk into a bicycle shop and 99% of the stuff is made in China. China buys iron ore and sells trinkets including cars to BRazil.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Yes, Brazil and China are linked bigtime with the price of commodities and when China coughs, Brazil sneezes.<img src="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" align="absmiddle" alt="Ouch" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Don't you notice the Brazzers with the huge suitcases returning from Florida? Stories about Paulistas who have everything in the house bought abroad because prices in Brazil are double/triple. Real is set for a big fall.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Mantega garante que juros continuarão a cair<BR>Agência Estado</DIV><P>O ministro da Fazenda, G<a href="http://atarde.uol.com.br/ec&#111;nomia/noticia.jsf?id=5842009&amp;t=Mantega+garante+que+juros+c&#111;ntinuarao+a+cair" target="_blank"></A>uido Mantega, disse nesta sexta-feira que as taxas de juros da economia brasileira vão continuar caindo. "Eu garanto isso", disse Mantega, durante entrevista coletiva em que comentou a variação do PIB no primeiro trimestre de 2012. </P><P>O ministro disse ainda que o governo vai continuar a estimular os investimentos no País. "Hoje você já pode comprar máquinas a juro real próximo de zero. Isso é resultado de medidas que o governo vem adotando. O governo tem todo o interesse que o investimento retorne ao patamar de 2010". Segundo ele, os investimentos no País tem estado próximo de 20% e isso se deve aos estímulos que o governo tem dado à economia brasileira.</P><P>Perguntado se não falta ao empresário brasileiro o chamado "espírito animal", já que aos primeiros sinais de crise ele reduz o investimento, Mantega disse que não. "Eu me reúno quase diariamente com os empresários e não vejo que falte neles o 'espírito animal'", afirmou o ministro, acrescentando que é natural os empresários se tornarem mais cautelosos em momentos em que a taxa de crescimento é menor. </P><P>Da parte do governo, Mantega ressaltou que há cobrança para que os empresários não diminuam investimentos. "Por exemplo, o último incentivo que nós demos foi para o setor de veículos, mas já tínhamos dado incentivo para o setor de linha branca e sempre cobramos como contrapartida a continuidade do investimento", disse o ministro. </P><P>Ele avalia que medidas como essas não podem ser consideradas ações de protecionismo, mas de defesa da indústria nacional. Segundo ele, as medidas foram tomadas porque países "adotaram medidas como manipulação cambial, e o que fizemos foi defender o setor automotivo de subsídios disfarçados". </P><P>Segundo o ministro, o País não pode esperar que Organização Mundial do Comércio (OMC) tome alguma decisão, o que justifica a adoção das medidas em maio. Mantega reiterou que a maior preocupação do governo quanto ao crédito é o spread cobrado pelos bancos privados" que se comprometeram a ter uma atitude menos restritiva". <BR>AVALIAÇÃO:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 voto&nbsp; Imprimir&nbsp; Enviar&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#65279;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fale com a reda</P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by GreatBallsoFire - 01 June  2012 at 17:59</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.gringoes.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6177">jkennedy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 13966<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 June  2012 at 16:05<br /><br />Do you look at the markets even?&nbsp; Commodities are essentially neutrual today.&nbsp; Copper is a good indicator and has a high beta value, so it moves quickly.&nbsp; Right now it's just hanging in there.<br><br>Rig/Do and other drillers are hanging in there. PBR is down 2%, but trying to link everything together like that?&nbsp; <br><br><br>Dow down 247 points<br><table><t><tr ="alt-bg-color"><td ="symb-td"><span><div style="margin-left:28px"><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCCO" target="_blank">SCCO</a></div></span></td>        <td>&nbsp;</td>        <td ="price-td"><a ="limit" title="SCCO is below your limit of 38.25.">&#9660;</a>28.34</td>		<td>&nbsp;</td>                                <td ="change-td change-down">-0.11</td>                                <td ="percent-td change-down">-0.38%</td><td>&nbsp;</td></tr></t></table><br><table><t><tr =""><td ="symb-td"><span><div style="margin-left:28px"><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=FCX" target="_blank">FCX</a></div></span></td>        <td>&nbsp;</td>      